Getting The Pigs Out Of The Water

Time To Say Bye Bye?

Maybe you can tell by the headline where this Hub is going or maybe you can't. There is an old West (By God) Virginia hill billy saying that goes like this, "You can't get the water to clear up until you get the pigs out of the water." You see pigs love to wallow in water, and the longer they continue to wallow the more it looks like a cesspool.

The problem sometimes with getting the pigs out of the water is that they often outweigh you. But remember this as I write along, you are the one that allowed them to be there in the first place and your apathy in the process of getting them out of the water and cleaning up the cesspool may allow them to stay there because as you are to see, they will not leave voluntarily in most cases. Once in that cesspool they think they know best.

There was much outrage when Nancy Pelosi once again got caught with her hand in the government cookie jar. But the pigs have a tendency to protect their own so nothing will probably be done. Obama made it a point to call out insider trading in Congress and asked that a bill be sent to his desk to outlaw that practice in Congress. However, the Senate is pushing it a bit further and desires to have it outlawed in the Executive Branch also. It seems that has upset Obama and he doesn't think it is right to do that. He has yet to explain adequately why what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. There is a pattern there if one looks closely.

The proposed legislation is called the STOCK Act which is a worthy piece of legislation. There were two amendments attached to that act that were voted down by the pigs in charge of the sty. The first I will cover today and the second tomorrow. Same pigs just a different day. The first was really a non-binding sense of the Senate that there needs to be drafted a Constitutional Amendment to have term limits enacted stating how long members of Congress can serve as "public servants." The amendment was introduced by Senator Jim DeMint from South Carolina who I happen to have the greatest respect for. Well, I reckon you can already guess what happened to that amendment. It was rejected by a vote of 24-75. The link below allows you to check just how your Senators voted on an amendment to help clean out the cesspool that the pigs created with your assistance.

So lets examine briefly the arguments about term limits. I've written about this subject before just not on the Hub and the debate is usually lively. First, there is the argument that that is "what elections are for." Senator Dick Durbin pushed that line during the debate on the amendment. He used the Constitution as the vehicle to support his theory that the voters make that decision. That's all well and good but he left out part of the story. The Constitution was "amended" once already to ensure that an executive branch dynasty will not occur by placing term limits on the time a a person can serve as our President. Again I forward the goose and gander argument to those who just opposed term limits on Congress.

A lot of the pigs in the pond won't leave unless they are forced to leave. Why? Politics in this nation has become about "power" and power is an aphrodisiac. The "power" isn't about service to the public, it is about egos and party politics. Lets look at the power of money. That's the force that drives their train. Power also begats corruption and we continually are seeing that in our Congress and the punishment is usually a slap on the wrist and a warning not to get caught again. The forces of special interest groups which fatten up those campaign reelection war chests give the incumbent an advantage against a common man who decides to oppose the power.

Here's what Senator DeMint had to say about the corruption and bribery seen on Capitol Hill, "All of the cases of corruption and bribery that I've seen, unfortunately, come from more senior members. No offense to any senior members, please. But this is one of many reasons why we should have term limits in Congress." I've always said, based upon just observation, that the longer you allow those fannies to warm those seat cushions the more corrupt they are likely to become. It's about power and the maintenance of that image that they are the rulers of the people. They lose sight of the fact that they were sent there to serve "We, the People.." and not "They, Themselves..." and some political ideology. If you give someone the opportunity too often then temptation sets in and we see what we see.

DeMint looked at the amount of time that the Senators who voted on the proposed amendment had served and it speaks for itself. The Senators who voted against putting it before the people have an average tenure of 13.6 years. The Senators who voted putting it before the people have an average of 6.4 years, just over one term for a sitting Senator.

The term limits amendment went down by a vote of 24-75. All the Democrats in the Senate opposed putting this issue before "We, the People..." and they were joined by 23 Republicans.

We have very few, if any, statesmen that go to Congress to serve the people. It evolves into serving themselves and some political party apparatus without regarding the people who sent them there. I've written my own representatives and gotten back one of those "thank you for writing but I know what is best for you better than you do" letters in return.

Politics, as we know it, has become the cesspool that will be the death of our country as we know it. Any time term limits is mentioned in our Congress you can hear the crickets chirping in the chambers. The issue belongs before the people, not the self-serving political pick pockets who call themselves career politicians. Regardless of Dick Durbin's line of thinking, the founding fathers who wrote the US Constitution never envisioned that a person would want to make a livelihood out of sitting in Washington DC for decades on end. Term limits were placed on the Chief Executive by the vote of the people. It is now well past time that the people themselves decide whether term limits need to be applied to the members of Congress.

One should never let the pig itself decide whether it's time to leave so the water will clear up. They'd rather just lie there in the filth.

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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breakfastpop 4 years ago

Washington is the biggest cesspool of all. I'd love to see that swamp drained once and for all. It is inconceivable to me that Congress forces us to live by rules that simply don't apply to them. I don't care what side of the fence you are on, how does this make sense? It doesn't and it never will. Will it change, perhaps but so slowly that the movement will hardly be noticeable. Great hub. Up, useful, interesting and awesome.


Lynn S. Murphy 4 years ago

Sadly the gov't is under the mistaken impression that they know what's good for us. I agree the swamp totally needs to be drained, and we as voters need to be on our toes to keep from just throwing the lever but make informed choices. Both sides need their houses cleaned.


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Jim,

In my opinion, this was the best piece you've ever written. Laid out perfectly. As you know, term limits are one of the eight initiatives laid out by the Housefire Project to clean up American politics. I may offer you your own page on the web site in order to define this initiative. That's how impressed I am with this presentation. Call me.

Jim


Christiano Kwena 4 years ago

I did't know term limits are an issue in the states. In Africa, the issue raises a storm.


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michabelle 4 years ago

I agree 100%, but why would any organization or group of people vote to end their livelihoods, or vote themselves out of a job? It's really a vote that needs to be given to the people. Some things Congress can't objectively legislate and this is one of them.


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Angela Blair 4 years ago from Central Texas

Pop -- you damn betcha' is all I can say -- term limits are way overdue for the public's close scrutiny. I just hope they're not so dug in by now we can't fix it. Great Hub and voted up! Best, Sis


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marywanders 4 years ago from minnesota

I could have never said this as well as you did , very clear, I agree We, the people need to vote on this.

The question I have is; how do we get it put on a ballot so we can vote on term limits, as the "pigs" like the cesspool, I can't see them giving it up.

Voted up, useful, interesting and awesom. Thank-you


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

marywanders - The answer to your question can be found here

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitut...

What DeMint was offering an amendment for would have started the process in Congress.

The Frog


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drbj 4 years ago from south Florida

I agree wholeheartedly with your argument, Jim, term limits need to be imposed on Congress if the nation is to move forward. But don't compare those political pocket-picking pundits to pigs. Pigs are more intelligent.


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

Jim, it would stand to reason that the longer time they spend in the cesspool, the stinkier they would get. No surprise none of them are for term limits. We know they will never vote in favor of term limits, so how do we get this on a ballot for us little people to vote on?


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

OP - Read the link that I gave marywanders above. In the meantime we throw those out that belong on the trash heap of career politicians. If the people would bother to do their civic duty instead of relying on sound bites, that Incumbents have a ton of special interest money to spend on, we can continue to drain the swamp as we did in 2010.

The Frog


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poetvix 4 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

Sir Frog, I do so love the link! Now that's useful information. My state has one yea and one nay. Sadly, I don't like either of them but the yea gets a few bonus points for voting that way. Were it up to me, the vast majority of sitting members would be voted out tonight. They have made a huge mess, a mountain of debt, and can't work together any better than first grade boys and girls on a playground hence the nothing is improving state of our nation. They squab and play at politics while often secretly passing things that will bankrupt, silence and ultimately destroy us all. I bet if we went back to the pay rates granted to our first founding elected officials and outlawed all contributions of any kind the hill would clear out quicker than you could blink.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

poetvix - I fired off a letter to Cornyn about his "nay" and told him to duck.

TFP


Stu 4 years ago

Hi Frog,

This is a tough call. Plutocracy always infects Congresses in free societies (assuming we still have one), and the longer you are in Congress, the more time others have to corrupt you. But a Congress of only freshmen would be like a corporation with no senior people to lead and mentor. I'm not sure there is any great answer to this problem.

Stu


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FitnezzJim 4 years ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

I voted for a Constitutional Amendment, but feel obligated to point out that such an amendment to the US Constitution would not go before the people. It would go before the States. The only way it would go before the people is if the individual States legislatures chose that as a method for determining whether to vote for or against it.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

FitnezzJim - The states are the people. How the states approve an amendment is determined by the state.

The Frog


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan

You've got this very right Froggy - this is one of the MUST DO'S we have to push for and although this vote went down in flames - we need to dog this - and get those pigs OUTTA THERE!


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Reynold Jay 4 years ago from Saginaw, Michigan

Engaging HUB!! And no surprise with all the shennaigans going on. UP AND AWESOME for me.


Mutantone 4 years ago

There are term limits already written into the Constitution but they are ignored

"The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States" "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, for six Years" no where does it state several terms but just the limited two years for the House and the six for the Senate. It is only because they ignored the meaning of the words that they are running for several terms in office


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

Nothing will change in Washington until we stop electing the same type of person to office. This is why I vote third party.


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Angela Blair 4 years ago from Central Texas

Frog - well put and right on target. We, the people should get to vote on this and also all the unrealistic "perks" awarded for "serving us" -- that are not only in place as they serve but forever after! Not only would this solve the problem of moss growing on the fannies of those who've served umpteen jillion years (and benefitted greatly) but would take the burden off citizens who have to support such outrageous benefits. Most of those in the House and Senate are pretty well off -- ain't nobody goin' without groceries -- and in fact, seem pretty well heeled -- at least a lot better than average citizens. It's way past time they joined the citizenry and give up being the privileged few. Best/Sis


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Pamela-anne 4 years ago from Kitchener, Ontario

Where ever the cespools are you will find Politicians enjoying a good wallow; well done enjoyed the hub keep them coming!

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