Glenn Beck: Liar?

What Are We Willing to Swallow?

Listen. I really just want to touch on something that bothers me about the political discourse these days, the lies. I don’t really want to discuss where you stand politically, nor do I wish to discuss my leanings (I suspect you’d be surprised to know my history). What I want to know is this: why we Americans are willing to put up with lying even when it is patently obvious? Why do we follow liars on the radio and television? Why, when we feel that media outlets such as MSNBC are biased, are we willing to put up with bias from the so called “Fair and Balanced” network? Have we forgotten that two wrongs don’t make a right, or are we conveniently letting it slide because this time it favors our agenda? What I really want to know is: are we willing to accept lies and consent to be manipulated by people simply because we are sympathetic to their position? And are we really better off in doing so?

Beck's "Coincidence"

Glenn Beck organized his rally at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I have a Dream Speech” by complete coincidence, to hear him tell it. If you are to believe him, then you must believe that he is an idiot. You must believe that not only is he an idiot, but his producer Steve Burguiere and Premiere Radio Networks GM Chris Balfe must also be idiots. Any producer worth his salt, any competent events planner, and any savvy politico (and make no mistake that is what Glenn Beck is) would have researched a series of dates before settling on the final choice.

Give some thought to the sheer volume of this “coincidence.” It would have to be an accident of circumstance of monumental proportions. It would have to have been a conscious effort for none of his staff to Google the date and location of the rally. At every step of the permit application process, with the National Parks Service, people would have to forget to mention the significance of the day. Each and every person involved, at each and every step, would have to be ignorant of the history of that day and that place. Now, obviously there is no way to prove what I say, but I believe that Beck is a very bright man and, therefore, have to believe that he knew, well in advance, the historical significance of this day.

Scary!

I was initially unsure about the motivation for this "lie," but I fear I may have a clearer understanding now that Glenn has spoken and the rally has ended. He seemingly wants to paint this “coincidence” as divinely inspired and, in fact, certain outlets are calling this “The Divine Destiny Event.” This frightens me, and I have a strong relationship with God and close ties to my church community. We have seen this before, charismatic leaders reveling in the power of their own words, citing God and destiny. These were not good people.

Let me know what you think.

 

© 2010

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dutchman1951 6 years ago from Tennessee, USA

Beck has been examining the differences between Manafest destiny; (Man made destiny) and Devine Providence (Gods Plan). I honestly do not know which if any this is the better choice, but...

The speaches I did hear talked about God in the lead, not man. And that part has to be good for People. The Problem with this is we have no way of telling if God is in the lead in this.

I say be still, Wait for the fruits of all this, be qiet and let God. It will come out...then we will know.

Prayer changes things I believe. And yes, we need to demand straight talk, no spin and statistics-(lies).


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

Thanks for your comment! I do believe we will have to sit back and see how this plays out, if for no other reason than we haven't much choice.

I too believe that God has a plan for me and i am okay with those who want to let go and let God. My problem with Beck is how he is positioning himself in God's plan.

Time will tell what Beck's motives are.


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American Romance 6 years ago from America

So as a liberal you think you caught him in something? You think you have the goods on him? but what we read is all you got?...........uh maybe if you want to discuss political or media liars you should mention a man named OBAMA! Now theres a person you can get some serious facts on the lies! (wont tax under 250K, transparancy,CNN will tape all health care debate) and on and on, instead of the date he wants to hold a meeting , give me a break!


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

Firstly, you have misidentified me, but that's okay i am used to it. I don't believe i have "caught him in something." I state that there is no concrete evidence either way. What i am saying is that I don't believe that a thinking person can reasonably believe that Glenn Beck did not know that August 28th is the anniversary of MLK's speech. I assume, by your answer, that you are not disputing this point.

Secondly, what does this administration's broken promises have to do with Glenn Beck lying? The fact that the administration and Pelosi made every effort to push through universal healthcare by sheer might, and without discourse, will cost them in November, as well it should.

Finally, your willingness to accept this from Beck says one thing: that you are tired of being lied to and manipulated by liberals and now you want to be lied to and manipulated by conservatives. Under that model, when the democrats pay for their mistakes in November, the people you help elect in their place will continue to manipulate the voting public. What's worse is that they will have additional evidence to rely on that shows the American people will accept lies if they sympathize with the liar.

Is this really all we deserve. Sometimes it is just as important how something is said as what is said. If we adopt an ends justify the means perspective, and whine "The other guy did it too," then what makes us different than Pelosi who thought getting Universal Healthcare through Congress quickly was more important that getting it done properly.


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Yankee Reb 6 years ago

In my opinion .... you missed the boat!

I can not honestly say that Beck is a liar any more than you.

He makes observations and formulates his thoughts as he perceives them.

Also ... in my opinion ... I do in fact trust his opinion much more than the current President.

Apparently you have chosen to slander a persons reputation with NO FACT or proof and to what avail?

By insinuating that he is a liar and then in a reply stating this:

I state that there is no concrete evidence either way. What i am saying is that I don't believe that a thinking person can reasonably believe that Glenn Beck did not know that August 28th is the anniversary of MLK's speech.

FACT IS - I am OLDER than Beck and still not sure when it was at this very moment.

Perhaps it was planned just like the British Petroleum Oil Platform collapsing on Earth Day ... not the day before nor the day after ...


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

So, it's okay for Beck to call liberals "pinheads" and "idiots," but you'll call me to task for saying i think he lied?

"Apparently you have chosen to slander a persons reputation with NO FACT" -Actually, it would be more accurately called libel, if it were indeed defamatory. The constitution protects me in this case as does defamation law. Statements of opinion regarding issues of public concern (you may have heard this as the "Fair Game" exception for public figures)and where no provable factual assertion is made or implied (i said it cannot be proven)are generally protected speech. This is an important fact that allows Beck to do what he does. Additionally, the author would have know or be reasonably expected to know that the statement was false, in order for the statement to meet the legal threshold. Furthermore, you wouldn't hold Beck to making only statements of fact. If he didn't offer his opinions, no one would watch or listen.

"FACT IS - I am OLDER than Beck and still not sure when it was at this very moment." -"Any producer worth his salt, any competent events planner, and any savvy politico (and make no mistake that is what Glenn Beck is) would have researched a series of dates before settling on the final choice." I'm sorry, you didn't mention which one of these you are.

"to what avail?" -I am actually all about questioning our government, holding them accountable, and putting their feet to the fire. I just don't think following an opportunistic idealogue is the way to go. It is fine and good to express dissatisfaction with politicians of both parties; on this we can probably agree. However, if at the end of the day, you're simply throwing your support behind the same old republican machine, what have you accomplished? Beck is thriving on anti-government sentiment, but at it's heart his philosophy is simply anti-democrat. My hope is that, one day, tea party types and other motivated individuals will throw their support behind actual political outsiders and not just the re-cast republicans they are going to elect in November.


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Yankee Reb 6 years ago

This is the last thing I will say on this particular blog.

1) You sound like a LIBERAL

2) YOU SAID So, it's okay for Beck to call liberals "pinheads" and "idiots," but you'll call me to task for saying i think he lied?

YES it is okay pinhead and I am not lying when I say I think you are a pinhead!

Calling someone an idiot or pinhead is just an opinion

Calling someone a LIAR without proof is in itself a LIE!

Calling someone a liar is a declaration of fact - which you have NOT remotely shown evidence of.


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

"Calling someone a LIAR without proof is in itself a LIE!" -A fine example of the "bare assertion fallacy." Never mind i did not actually call him a liar.

"You sound like a LIBERAL" -To dismiss me as a liberal is an attempt on your part to marginalize what i had to say and still feel good about yourself even though you didn't understand what it was i said.

"Calling someone a liar is a declaration of fact - which you have NOT remotely shown evidence of." -First, it is not a declaration of fact and that is made clear in this piece. Second, aside from being in the room when Burguiere did his prep work for the event, or being party to private conversations between Beck and his subordinates there is really no way i can provide tangible evidence of a lie. What i did say was this: If Beck knew the significance of the date, then he lied; If Beck did not know the significance of the date, then the people he trusts to inform his opinions are incompetent. Either way the end result is the same for me: I don't trust Beck.

Finally, i have extended you far more courtesy and respect than a man who promotes himself as Yankee Reb and posts a photo of himself, gun in hand, deserves.

Good Day.


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bayoulady 6 years ago from Northern Louisiana,USA

Hi Jay, This is a good well written hub, and I respect your opinions. Because it is very well written , I will definitely rate up/useful. Right now!

That being said,

I hurt someone's feelings (fetty) a while back while making political comments about my opinion on a matter. I felt awful!Sometimes, without voices, something can be considerdd harsh when it was not meant to be. I apologized and she accepted. So I am not going to comment on politics any more! I will not return to see if you commented on my stand, either. :>)


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Yankee Reb 6 years ago

what is it with you liberals?

You failed to make a significant assertion on how I was wrong so you attack me??

and why? BECAUSE an opinion to you is a god given fact when you FAIL to provide PROOF.

Not ONLY are you acting as though a LEGAL gun is bad when the Constitution LEGALLY ALLOWS OWNERSHIP.

(because we tend to be more of the conservative type)

Unlike the criminal liberal gimme mentality who we need these guns to defend ourselves from (who are known to have STOLEN GUNS that your crowd does not want us to protect ourselves from nor can your ilk come close to controling)

THEN - you try to make a spastic comment about the name I go by.

LET ME SCHOOL YOU ON MY CHOICE OF A NAME:

I am from just outside of Buffalo NY (living in the south)

and the town near where I was born (IN NEW YORK STATE) was the last place in the ENTIRE United States to rejoin the Union.

you posts have shown just how well you speak about things you are at a loss to understand!

And liberals say we need to be tolerant - I (not conservatives) say you need to get real!


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

Finally, i have extended you far more courtesy and respect than a man who promotes himself as Yankee Reb and posts a photo of himself, gun in hand, and is not bright enough to understand what is written to him deserves.


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Yankee Reb 6 years ago

COURTESY? You think insults are courteous?

Sure you do - HYPOCRITE When you lack FACTS you resort to insults

So you can sit there are pretend you are a notch more than a screw ball who lives in a delusional world of social destruction!


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

"YES it is okay pinhead and I am not lying when I say I think you are a pinhead!" -You really have no idea what either of us has written here, do you?


Texasbeta 6 years ago

Dutchman, bro...that is not what Manifest Destiny means. Sorry man. Not close. It isn't a mystery though...we have dictionaries. As for Yankee Reb and of course, American Romance...would you like me to list some of the lies Beck spins? I definitely can. Would it make a difference to you? Absolutely not. Still though, your call boys. To make it clear, I am a liberal, active in the progressive movement, 2 degrees, and I have guns too. So, make your assumptions and if you wanna get pull it out and put it on the table to compare...say the word.


Texasbeta 6 years ago

I want to make this clear though...if we do this, don't puss out in the end with a counterpoint of basically, "nuh-uh." I know conservatives and in the end, that is all it comes down to. I am not debated bitchy little kids in grown bodies anymore.


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

Thanks Texasbeta. I too am a gun owner, not that it matters to Reb; the common ground appeal fails again. Isn't it funny how these new conservatives are so quick to label a liberal, as a function of marginalizing them, and then discount their opinion without a valid point? I only consider myself slightly left of center and was once a conservative myself. I actually believe that the party has moved further right than I have moved left, and, occasionally, I am foolish enough to believe that means I can start a dialogue.

I guess I am just a screwball living in a delusional world of social destruction.


Texasbeta 6 years ago

I just read my posts and my grammar is horrible. Sorry all, I am rocking a 102 temp and a horrible cold. My mind is just not extremely clear particularly when I am ranting about politics. My apologies.

JayDeck - I know the feeling, as I was once conservative too, went to Lincoln Day dinners, VP of NT College Republicans, etc. They are now by no means anywhere close to where they were back then, as I agree...they have moved far far FAR to the right.


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

Texasbeta- I remember one of my rationales for being a conservative was the way that liberals so quickly abandoned productive discourse for name calling and whining. Likely, part of the reason i moved left was the the role reversal which seems to be more or less complete. Now, as demonstrated here, it is the conservatives who won't discuss divergent opinions. It is a shame.

-J

also- no worries about the grammar.


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Pcunix 6 years ago from SE MA

Beck is down right scary. People who cannot see that are also either scary or hopeless. I vote hopeless for most of them: hopeless to try any rational discussion.


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

Thank you for your comment Pcunix! I agree that Beck is scary, especially since he's cast himself as the hand of God.

-J


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Arthur Fontes 6 years ago from Fall River,MA

Jay until you said you leaned to the left I thought you were conservative, by reading what you have written? Not that it matters, to me you are JayDeck and from what I have read from you we are in agreement on a lot of issues.

I think Beck is entertaining, I believe he provides subjects that are at least worth some thought and discussion. I do not believe however that Martin Luther King Jr's speech anniversary was not a coincidence so in that we are in agreement.

I do not watch Beck on television, I do however listen on the radio. I find his show funny (Stewart, and Cohbert funny). I enjoyed the hub I think you brought a valid point to the table and once again I want to thank you for sharing.


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

Arthur, I was really conservative, at one time. There was a time when liberals were the ones doing the name calling and killing political discourse in this country; this has largely changed and, if i wasn't already left of center, this Tea Party business would have put me there. As a conservative, i believed that i was part of a movement that espoused practical progressivism. We recognized the social issues of the time and attempted to address them with responsible solutions that worked. Problems affecting the developmentally disabled population were Barbara Bush's cause, during her tenure as First Lady. Her husband signed the ADA into law. Welfare reform meant training programs and welfare to work programs, not restricting the rolls. A republican governor authorized the largest bond issue, to support programs for developmentally disabled individuals in New Jersey, that the field had ever seen. These were the reasons i was a conservative.

Post George H. W. Bush, the conversation changed; it became uglier. We began to focus less on finding and selling our solutions to the public and more on revenge, i.e. attacking Bill Clinton through the courts. It was a waste of time and resources, as Bill ended up being a 2 term president anyway, and when we did take the White House it was with George W. Bush.

The people behind the movement, now, are not interested in dialogue. They shout you down. It's the same method that turned me off to liberals in the late 80s.

So, maybe even more than being left of center, i am simply for an honest discussion. If Glenn Beck were not trying to sell the timing of his rally as a happy coincidence, or worse, an act of God, i would never have written this hub. I likely wouldn't have even been offended.

Well, i can go on and on, but it is late for me.

Thanks for your interest.

-J


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

JayDeck

''What I really want to know is: are we willing to accept lies and consent to be manipulated by people simply because we are sympathetic to their position? And are we really better off in doing so?''

No, we are not better off. In today’s society it appears that lying is the norm and ok. For example:

Past President Clinton lying under oath, commits perjury and yet is not prosecuted

President Barak Obama said that unions will not be exempt from the Healthcare Reform bill. That insurance premiums will not go up. That abortion paid by the government is not in the HC Bill. All of the above are lies that have gone unreported by the mainstream media.

Senator Joe Wilson called President Obama a liar and was chastised. The fact is President Obama indeed did lie.

Lying to the American public is the norm in government and Washington today. So if Beck lied as you believe, than so be it, no skin off my nose. But if an elected official lies to the public, it’s time to open our eyes and ears to speak out and demand the truth.

For all those who despise Fox News and Glen Beck as liars, please watch President Obama’s economist Gooslee discuss reasons as to why Obama is against extending the Bush tax cuts. Just another case of bending the truth. Lying or fibbing, you can determine for yourself. Trust me you will be surprised.

video.foxnews.com/v/4359620/beck-taxing-times

What is a fool? The definition in this case is unintelligent or thoughtless person: somebody who is regarded as lacking good sense or judgment. With due respect for many who are not included.

Only a fool would except a scheme like what the administration is selling to the American people.


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

First, where we agree: lying seems to be endemic in the United States, particularly among politicos.

Now, where we disagree: “Past President Clinton lying under oath, commits perjury and yet is not prosecuted”. Umm, he was impeached by the House of Representatives.

“President Barak Obama said that unions will not be exempt from the Healthcare Reform bill” I am assuming that you are repeating talking points, so I am going to expand on what you are saying in an effort that people understand what is ACTUALLY bad about this and not simply the “Obama bad” drivel. What you are referring to, without mentioning it, is the excise tax or “Cadillac Tax” on high cost plans. The original plan would have given unions an exemption until 2018 and all other high cost plans an exception through 2013. The reconciliation plan delays the tax for all high cost plans through 2018. The exemption is there to “aid” in the transition. Presumably, anyone paying premiums in a high-cost negotiated contracted plan, i.e. employees of unions and large corporations, would be subject to the excise tax unfairly because the plans were negotiated prior to HCR. This is a good idea, to a point. What is bad about this deal is the 2018 date. Rather than move both off to 2018, I would have liked to see all high-cost plans paying excise taxes by 2013. I think 3 years is fair; many of these plans are likely to be renegotiated before 2018 anyway and, if not, 3 years is plenty of time for them to get used to the idea that they are going to pay. This is why the complaint should be made, not “Obama bad.”

“That insurance premiums will not go up.” He didn’t say that. In fact, what he said was they would go down. That remains to be seen. At least initially, it is very unlikely. The CBO report on the first phase (presumably now through 2018) the best a business buyer will be able to do is to save 3%. Most people who buy their own coverage will see their rates rise quite a bit, 10- 14%, due to increased benefits/coverage. It should be noted that the CBO seems to think that phase 2 will save the Fed, i.e. the taxpayer over a trillion dollars, I don’t know how they derive that number or the 130 mil plus the first phase is supposed to save. I believe in HCR, I don’t think this plan was done well, but to those who complain that the fed is taking over a ¼ of the U.S. economy (actually about 17%) fail to understand the real problem with that statement.

“That abortion paid by the government is not in the HC Bill.” Umm, it’s not. Look up the Hyde Amendment. Just more “Obama bad”, not truth.

“So if Beck lied as you believe, than so be it, no skin off my nose.” Really, you’re okay with being misinformed?


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

JayDeck

No, Clinton was not impeached. The Democrats would NOT vote to impeach him hence the necessary votes to proceed died in Congress.

''The original plan would have given unions an exemption until 2018''. Before the bill was passed ,Obama pledged that the unions would not be exempt which was an untrue statement ( a lie).I can't recall which state it was but it was reported that the government has approved paying for abortions.

If Beck did indeed lie as you infer, can you prove it. If not than I would just ignore your claim. either way, No skin off my nose.

With due respect for your opinions and replies


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

Okay, real quick because I am going to work.

A. Yes he was. The Senate aquitted him. He was also charged and fined for contempt of court and surrendered his law license after leaving office. RESEARCH

B. HCR: I didn't deny your attribution to Obama, I pointed out that it was a half truth. Half truths serve only political purposes, not the purposes of an educated voting public.

C. Abortion: WE call that a bare assertion and it requires no action.

Finally, Just as Beck does every day, I am offering an opinion and asking a question. I base my opinion on what a resonable human being might assume to be true from the information given, unlike Beck.

With all due respect for your opinion.


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

JayDeck

You're a lucky one, you have a job.


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JayDeck 6 years ago from New Jersey Author

That would depend on your definition of lucky. Currently I do not work in my chosen field, the field I was educated to work in, but I am lucky I have someplace to go until my state decides to value education as the answer again. Unfortunately, the work available to me is another occupation that is undervalued and paid accordingly.

When I make my points, it is hardly from a position of comfort.


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N.E. Wright 6 years ago from Bronx, NY

This is an informative, and useful Hub to all who is willing to listen.

Beck is scary. I cannot watch Beck, because my son ask too many questions, and I would confuse him by watching someone I do not trust or believe in.

I assumed you were a conservative, and I still read your piece. It is interesting. Plus, how else would I learn from others. Still, after Skimming some of the comments I learned you are a former conservative ....

I am confused by people being upset with you for your questioning Glenn Beck. Please, this is America. We questioned our parents to ourselves when we were growing up. We just did not -- if we were raised correctly -- voice it. LOL.

I am a former Democrat, and an Independent Liberal. I actually left the Democratic Party, because they were too wimpy to me. Still, I do not want them to lie I want them to fight with the truth. I want them to help the people in this country, and not run away from their accomplishments.

I actually have no problem with the parties working together, because what is going on now is hurting us badly in my opinion. Unfortunately the Far Left, and the Far Right hate compromise.

Once, Someone informed me they wished President Bush would die. That person is religous. That statement bothered me. My ... reaction to that person was, "That is evil .... Just vote him out."

I did not mean to say evil out loud to that person, but the hate for a man that you can vote out? Well, that I could not understand that. I was caught off guard. So those were the words that came out of my mouth first.

When someone I like -- on TV -- say something that is not true, in my opinion, I laugh and say, "Cut it out. That's not true." We all need to say that to ourselves at least, even if that person is within our polictical party. In my case former party that I still vote for.

Again, love this Hub, and I wish more were honest about the lies on both sides ....

Thanks for sharing.


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Jillian Barclay 6 years ago from California, USA

Your title should have had an exclamation point instead of a question mark. So much more appropriate if it read, "Glenn Beck: Liar!"


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Ken Crow 6 years ago from Iowa, USA

Mr. Enwall: President Clinton was infact "IMPEACHED"! He was impeached in the United States Congress. The United States Senate decided however to not a hold a vote to evict him from Office. But make no mistake about it, and please study your history. He was in fact the second President to be impeached in the House of Representatives. The first being President Andrew Johnson from Tennessee.

Glenn Beck is not a LIAR. GLENN BECK whether you like him, hate or think he is a goofball, is doing nothing different than Moses or Noah did. Ahhh, I am glad you said "Ken, your nuts!"....Am I.....Moses popped up and said "come on folks" and did what he thought God wanted him to do. And the people left, misbehaved and God left them in the desert for 40 years, but the fact is Moses was doing what God wanted him to do.

How do you know that this is not what is happening here?

Maybe Glenn is doing what he believes God wants him to do? Which is to save America from radicals like Jim Wallace, Bill Ayers and George Soros. Before you scream, go look at youtube videos of Soros saying in his own person and words of how he is managing the decline of the dollar to turn us over to a one world economic system. Listen to him say it before you want to scream at me.

Maybe Glenn is a devoted Christian that loves his children and his country and trying to do his small part to save it and return it to it's greatness that she once was?

Has any of this occured to any of you? Maybe Glenn is the mouthpiece that is to be used to stir the pot to save America? No, I am not a Beck defender or accuser. And as for Dr. Kings speech date, SO !! Their are only 365 days, and to me their are two Holy ones. That being Christmas and Easter. What is wrong with August 28th? He might have not snapped to the date, but then again? But in the end, it doesn't matter, listen to the message. How is that message bad for America or her people? Return to our Constitutional value system? Pray for our country? What part of any of that is bad?

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