Ground Zero – A Haunted Mosque?

Its 14th August 2010 and one of the News Headlines is that Obama has given the “go ahead” for a Mosque to be built close to Ground Zero. I am a Fan of Obama. Infact, when people say bad things about him I feel like I have to defend him and I do respond to such people with sarcastic comments. Some might even be found in our Forums. However, I do not like his decision of a Mosque to be built near Ground Zero. May the souls of all the innocent who died on 9/11 rest in peace.

Do we have to remind Obama that these people were killed by a group of muslims who believe in Jihad “Holy War”. I am aware that not all Muslims are terrorists and I have muslim friends, but the point is this is an extremely sensitive issue and looking at it generally, the decision should be reviewed.

Obamas comments: "The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable.”

My Response: “Exactly!! So, why endorse it?"

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Plane Approaching Tower

Plane in the Tower

People jumping for their life

 

Sad Reminders....

If these are his thoughts then its enough for him to know it’s not a good idea for this project to carry on. It will bring pain to many in America and many more around the world. I don’t live in America but I wish someone would ask Obama to listen to what the Citizens of America are saying.

A recent poll suggests 53% of New Yorkers oppose it. Many families of those killed in the 9/11 incident have mounted a campaign to block the community centre and Several conservative leaders in the United States have also denounced the plans. Source Doesn’t this count for anything, Obama?

Why shouldn’t the Mosque be built?

  • In my humble I opinion, I think it's like rubbing salt in the wound of those who lost friends and family that day.
  • The Mosque represents the Islamists – most of them believe in Jihad.
  • It’s insensitive. (actually that sums up the first two points)

…and who on earth asked for permission to build the mosque anyway?

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Why did Obama give the Go-Ahead?

I also wonder why Obama approved it.

  • Was the decision made to appease Al-Qaida, so they don’t strike again?
  • Is it because Obama has Muslim roots? (Muslim Dad)
  • Would his decision still be the same, if a member of his family had been caught up in either of those Twin Towers?

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Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if so many things went wrong with the building because the innocent blood of those who died, will cry out and probably haunt it forever.

I apologise if my article offends anyone particularly to any Muslim friends but I hope you understand how people view this situation and I would be glad to read your views. I shiver everytime I watch the video of those planes crashing into the Twin Towers. Knowing one’s family was in one of those Towers and was killed like that is traumatic. No amount of Therapy can erase it and erecting a memorial of what caused it close by, will just make those hearts bleed again.

So Obama, you are the “most powerful” man in the world and can change your decision at any point. “Yes, you Can??"

The whole world is watching…..

For those who lost their lives.....

Should a Mosque be built near Ground Zero?

  • Yes
  • No
  • Not bothered
See results without voting

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Food for thought...

Source: What is Jihad?

Islam never tolerates unprovoked aggression from its own side; Muslims are commanded in the Qur'an not to begin hostilities, embark on any act of aggression, violate the rights of others, or harm the innocent. Even hurting or destroying animals or trees is forbidden.

War is waged only to defend the religious community against oppression and persecution, because the Qur'an says that "persecution is worse than slaughter" and "let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (Qur'an 2:190-193). Therefore, if non-Muslims are peaceful or indifferent to Islam, there is no justified reason to declare war on them.

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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Amen.

Try opening a Christian church in Auschwitz, or in Saudia Arabia.

Sensitivity, not political correctness.

John


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Vladimir Uhri 6 years ago from HubPages, FB

What problem I have is: Jerusalem never was birth place of Islam. The Turks built the Mosque there. Now they claim that it is their city, second holy place of religion. Is it going to be New York third one?


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DeBorrah K. Ogans 6 years ago

Lady E, Excellent! I tend to stay away from politics... HOWEVER, My prayers are with President Obama! I think he needs to reconsider his stance on this issue...

What a Wonderful presentation you have made...How appropiate to have a picture of the Blue Mosque! Notice how it is dominating the skyline! I believe that erecting this mosque would be an offense as well as a reminder to the many loved ones of those who where killed on 9/11! To allow them to have this type of presence is insulting! Why near here of all places?

I agree with Valdimir as well about the Turks building a mosque in Jerusalem, and how Now they "claim that it is their city" LORD HELP US!

Thank you for sharing, In HIS Love, Peace & BLESSINGS!


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Mentalist acer 6 years ago from A Voice in your Mind!

I agree to the exemtion of a Muslim presence in close proximity to ground zero...though all religions tend to have a bloody history so I oppose any agenda based on religion that is not based on morally decent and non-political dogma...


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samsons1 6 years ago from Tennessee

voted up! How can one tell the difference...? Evidently everyone did as they boarded the planes that day - were they good or bad in what they believed?


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worldgrandeur 6 years ago from The Moon

Though the Crusades destroyed thousands of houses and killed thousands of people in the middle east (Muslim countries) and though FANATIC Christians killed, mutilated, tortured thousands and thousands of muslims in Spain, but we haven't ever seen that they destroyed or stopped building a Chursch! Nowadays, ther are hundreds of Cathedrals and churched in the muslim world and muslims didn't complain. SO, why we come now to tell them you can't build a mosque near the so called ground zero? Why are they tolerant with our believes and institutions and we are not? Why to blame over a billion of muslims and link them to a bunch of fanatic muslims?


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Wanderlust 6 years ago from New York City

67% Americans are against this offensive project. And this number from CNN (very liberal) poll. It would be nice if the president listnens to his people, but unfortunately we have a very arrogant president, not to mention Muslim president.........


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H P Roychoudhury 6 years ago from Guwahati, India

It is clear politics. Obama knows he could not continue war in Muslim country of Iraq and Afghanistan and diplomatically it appears he is unsuccessful to keep American influence there without the US and NATO Force in the region. It is his last effort to bring peace by showing an indirect submission to the Muslim world which is likely to back fire. The weakness of a country is a sign of destruction. It was the weakness of Soviet Leader Gorvachalk that destroyed the Soviet Emperor. I appreciated Osama in my article “The greatest Orator of the 21st Century”. I supported the President as the recipient of Noble Prize in the Article “The global question Right or wrong – the Nobel Peace Prize to Barak Obama. But I will never support a peace with total surrender. Total surrender never brings peace with honor and dignity. In the last World War Japan, a small nation compare to America or total allied Force never deemed to surrender but it was the Japan Emperor, who surrendered for the sake of Japanese existence and that too against the decision of Arm Forces for the cause of Atom bombs losing the dignity and prestige. Is Obama going to do that jeopardizing the dignity of the country of Gorge Washington?


amorea13 6 years ago

Lady E THAT was a powerful argument you just shared with us and it is VERY tough to argue against.

The pictures themselves of that astounding and tragic day are powerful enough but your words add fuel to the remembrance of one of the most shocking moments in modern history.

As if that were not enough your use of the picture, at the beginning, of the totally beautiful Blue Mosque, simply increases the depth that one must go to find an opinion. Yet this is always the case with the most profound of questions.

I think first that we must realise that The President, however one may perceive him, is always primarily the 'visible' part of the Government's strategic overview. THEY have a conceptual view of the world and the USA's place in it and it is very probably THAT which has caused him to say what he has said. We do not and will not know WHO secretly REALLY 'pulls the strings'.

If all this sounds like I am avoiding the argument here I'm not; I am merely trying to say that no one man, however seemingly powerful, has all the influence in decisions as profound as this. THIS decision the Government KNEW would create an uproar so we must assume they had a suitable response for it (and reason too!)

As for the question that has been asked of me indirectly; vis-a-vis 'do I agree with the decision?' - my answer would be this (because I'm not sure!). If Jesus Himself were here with us and you asked HIM the same question, what do you think He would say?

Would He say that no MOSQUE should be placed upon this shattered ground? Or would He say that wherever people may pray and worship God is a place where ALL men may find an answer to their grief? Or would He perhaps ask that an 'all-embracing' religious assembly-place be built for ALL men of all faiths to worship TOGETHER upon this blood-soaked space?

I am merely a man and I don't know what to say Lady E but the extent of my reply indicates how important I feel the question to be.

Personally, I do not believe very much at all of what governments may choose to tell us, the citizen. What I do know is that Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all of the truly wise and compassionate beings who have graced this world with their love and understanding would not ever believe that communing with God in all the perfect ways could be wrong.


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JDove-Miller 6 years ago from YOUNGSVILLE

From what I've heard on the news, the mosque is several blocks away AND there is already one within the same distance, sooooo....

Because this country was founded on freedom of religion, and that same freedom is written in the US Constitution, I can't see not permitting it. The people who attend that mosque did not fly planes into the World Trade Center.


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HappyHer 6 years ago from Cleveland, OH

I agree with your thoughts on this. Tolerance should be building something non religious and non political in that place. Perhaps a museum, or something that could benefit all people as the Twin Towers certainly did just that.


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK Author

I thank everyone so much for taking time to share their thoughts. This is obviously an issue where people will have divided opinions. Thanks Aguasilver, Vladimir, DeBorrah, Mentalist Acer, Samsons1, Worldgrandeur, Wanderlust, HP Roy, Amorea13, J Dove-Miller and lovely Happy Her - Much Respect to you all.

Its true that people who attend the current Mosque nearby Ground Zero did not fly the plane but sadly the Muslims who are terrorists/suicide bombers/persecuters of even Islam women, have tarnished "Islam" or if I re-phrase that - the world hears/sees more of atrocities committed than the good deeds. (even though there are some very loving, peaceful Musims out there)

If I had a questionnaire that asked thousands of people what Islam Symbolised for them, we all know what most of the answers would be. So, the point is - What the New Mosque near Ground Zero will represent. Freedom of religion maybe written in the US constitution but when it was written no one could for-see the events of 9/11. People are simply asking that Obama be sensitive about it. Surely, an exception can be made, bearing in mind the circumstances. (hurting relatives/citizens)

@amorea13 - Thanks for that touching comment, it actually made me edit the Hub (toned it down). I could see your point of view.

@worldgrandeur - sorry you feel this way. Your comment: "Why to blame over a billion of muslims and link them to a bunch of fanatic muslims?"

Not all Muslims are a bunch of Fanatics but what a lot of them do puts the whole religion in a bad light. Only this year in Nigeria, Muslims murdered so many Christians (Ethnic Cleansing?). Innocent Kids had their throats slit, women were burnt naked. I saw the pictures on the internet and cried. Not all muslims are like this - but this (killing of the innocent) is going on every week/ every month.

A UK Doctor working for a Christian Aid was killed with others by the Taliban this month August 2010. They were accused of spreading Xtianity. Lots of people go to muslim countries to help them and what do they get in return? Again, this is what the world sees/hears everyday and therefore associates Islam with Violence.

Salaam Alaikum.


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA

i am also a fan of Obama and am rarely critical of his decisions. I do think a Mosque built on (or near) the site of 9/11 tragedy is insensitive and largely a mistake. I noted the comment above pointing out a Mosque already exists a few blocks away, but I feel a new and second Mosque would be a mistake. I don't think the decision accounts for the depth of feeling Americans still feel about this horrible day. I doubt that a Mosque on this site would find itself subject to acts of violence or intimidation, but I would think it not impossible.

Your arguments are well-reasoned and I agree with them. Thanks for writing this.

Mike


dreamreachout 6 years ago

The point is not in the legal part!! American constitution does permit that but to have a mosque there would be both insensitive and distasteful!!

Elena, this is one of your best hub!!

:)


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psychicdog.net 6 years ago

A long time ago (1969) a book by Eric Berne MD, came out called I'm OK, You're OK. It became a best seller and descibed the various emotional states in transactions with others - other possiblities: I'm OK, You're not OK and I'm Not ok, your Ok, I'm not ok, you're not ok. The adult ego state works on I'm OK, You're Ok - when we relate to others on this level we are not provoking emotion & childlike sensitivity putting others in a position which gives them no out because our minds have been made up. Whether your a Jew, a Muslim a Christian, an Atheist - Your OK and I'm Ok despite atrocities done throughout history by OTHERS and living in our emotional landscape. Your OK. Does that make sense? As difficult as it might be, people are always better treated this way aren't they?


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always exploring 6 years ago from Southern Illinois

I really don,t understand why people object to having a mosque built anywhere. We build multi million dollar churches anywhere we choose. We have many in the Muslim world.President Obama is doing the best he can, attempting to appease everyone. The remark made that he is Muslim is so unreasonable and laughable.Lady_ E you

have a well written hub. I always enjoy what you have to say. Thank you

Love and Peace


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Support Med. 6 years ago from Michigan

Lacy_E: It is few and far between when I respond to political issues in this forum, especially those which specifically speak ill of our President (and no, I do not believe your article speaks ill of him). I must say that I too was appalled at the decision. I did not know, however, that there was already a mosque nearby. Although its existence has no bearing on the issue at hand. And as much as I would like to say, I will not here. I can only say at this time, that it is true that when one is President, final decisions are not his alone. I think of President Obama as one who thoroughly thinks out his plans and decisions. And although most of what I hear and read about him via many avenues (internet, newspapers, etc.), is extremely distasteful and disrespecful (and would be for anyone who is president), I count it all joy when I finally read or hear someone speak well of him and have actually been amazed that there are many who support his position as President and his decisions (and they have been of different races of people). For that I am glad. On this subject at hand, I too had to ask why he would say yes. Therefore, in continuance with what I have already mentioned, and although I do not fully understand his decision, I am concluding that this is something that he has given much thought to, concerning things of which I'm not aware of.

For those who lost their lives on that tragic day, May your souls rest in peace. For those who still feel the pain of the loss of those loved ones and strive with all of their strength to continue on, may you know that the Lord understandeth all the ways of people (no matter what race, creed or religion, etc.), that he knoweth all of their places and he looketh to all the ends of the earth and seeth under the whole heaven. Peace.


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK Author

Thanks to Mike, Dreamreachout, Psychicdog, always exploring and Support med. I appreciate you sharing your views and taking time to post them. Much respect to your all. :)

@SupportMed - True. Actually, he must have thought about it long and hard. I wonder what swayed him though. Thanks for your prayer at the end - very touching.

@always exploring - I don't know where the remark came from. However I did note in the Hub that Obama had muslim roots because I checked his biography and it indicates his Dad is/was a Muslim.

@ Psychicdog - So sorry I don't understand your comments but honestly if you're okay, I'm okay.


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Joni Douglas 6 years ago

Hi Lady E, controversy right? You did a great job on this article.

I am really disappointed in Obama's support for the mosque. I fully understand the stance he took that the Muslims have the right to build there. We all get that. Freedom of religion allows freedom for all faiths.

What I am disappointed in is his neglecting to comprehend the extent of the American people's sentiment. Surely he must understand that the location is contentious.

It isn't about their RIGHT to build the mosque there. They have that right. But as I said in my hub about the mosque, do they have the compassion NOT to build it?

They intend this center to be a place if healing and community outreach, but given that they are so unbending and insensitive in their approach to this location, shows that compassion and healing are not really the agenda.

So, I would have liked to hear the president say more such as, sure they have the right but would they consider another location in order to promote goodwill with the people and the neighborhood.


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worldgrandeur 6 years ago from The Moon

Thanks for the nice answer Lady E, appreciate your tolerance and open mindedness. My point was why when Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile started the inquisition courts in Spain the world didn't make a sterotype of them, labelling all christians as killers? The inquisition forced people at that time to convert or simply undergo horrible deaths like: cutting limps, impaling, crcifying, and even skinning them and letting them rot for days???? And this mutilation hit both Jews and Muslims? In other words, as there are ignorant and fanatic christians, there are also ignorant and fanatic muslims who really, as you said, deform their people and religion. And about those killings you mention in Africa and Afganistan, you should not jusdge the motives and the reasons just by looking at the pics! Why not read a biased article discussing the real reasons behind this murder? Peace.


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John B Badd 6 years ago from Saint Louis, MO

Lady-E I agree 100% that a mosque should not be built near the ground zero site. I also agree that this is rubbing salt in the wounds of Americans.

That being said I have to defend President Obama's stance on the issue for several reasons.

First let me remind everyone the place the mosque will be built is not on top of ground zero which is how many media outlets were portraying it at first, but it is too close for comfort.

Second the president did not approve of the mosque; it was not his place to do so. He merely defended the rights of Muslims to build a mosque on private property. Freedom of religion is fundamental to our constitution and no matter how strongly I am against the building of this Islamic center so near the fallen towers we must defend the constitution at all cost. 9-11 was an attack on not only American people and buildings but also on our way of life and our core values. If we allow the attack to undermined the constitution we have given the terrorist more power than they deserve. This situation is certainly a catch 22 and I think it was created to be one; there are people who want to undermine our way of life by any means necessary.

Despite my defense of President Obama I do not fully trust him and sometimes I question where his loyalties lie (lack of hand over heart during the national anthem being my biggest indicator something is wrong). That being said I do not trust any politician, so he should not take this to personal. ;)

Great Hub voted up.


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steve8miller 6 years ago from Ohio Great City of Dayton

Obama really did not have too much of a say in this decision from what I know. He just had to comment one way or another. I support it, the biggest misconception is that the Mosque is on ground zero. Which is a blatant lie. It is a far 2 New York City Blocks. I made a hub on the subject, and I believe we should allow it. As the hub is entitled "Allowing The Mosque At Ground Zero" We have religious freedom. I love how conservatives now are saying that we have gotten to far away from our Judeo Christian Values here in America. When we have separation of Church and State. So when they say that, they (conservatives) are admitting we consistently bring religion into government. The funniest thing is they do not even believe in GOD conservative "politicians" are atheist I have known a few of them. They only claim Christianity so the people will vote for them, as well some still act loyal to groups like the KKK, not because they are sick, but because they are greedy and heartless. In my mind allowing this, is a victory to remove religion from government once and for all. Religion is the root to all evil. I love how conservatives call us liberals atheist. We know GOD where they believe in god. We also understand that religion is the root of all evil, and GOD is the root to our salvation. So if that makes me an atheist, then I am an atheist. I choose all religion I am a Muslim and a Christian so there is no conflict for building this Mosque in my mind.

For those who will argue that a "terrorist" had this idea of building this Mosque here near ground zero, so we cannot build it. These people who think this way are foolish. In that case we should tear down all the churches that supported the KKK. There are bad people in every religion, it does not make the religion bad. As well for national security reasons it should be built. When we know where the terrorist are going it is easier to track them. All I have to say on that subject.


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Allan Douglas 6 years ago from Great Smoky Mountains, Tennessee

Spooky! Just moments ago I was reading a CNN report of President Obama's declaration and subsequent waffling and the reaction of the republic. Public polls there mirror the poll in your hub; they state that 68-79 (depending on the poll) of Americans; Republican, Democrat an Independant, think this is a terrible idea and are surprised that support for it was offered at all. You've said all that needs to be said, so I'll clam up now, I just thought it interesting that right after reading that piece I pop in here and find yours. Right on top of things as usual. And another good one too. Thanks.


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katiem2 6 years ago from I'm outta here

I'm so glad you wrote Ground Zero A Haunted Mosque. I too agree with you in regard to Obama and then he goes and does something that makes him seem as if he's either checked out or bending over to backward to please everyone. OMG is he a pleaser? This is just wrong and bad Karma comes to mind. NOT gonna end GOOD!


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ahostagesituation 6 years ago

Great Job, Elena. This mosque is definitely getting people upset. I'm disappointed that after 9 years we still haven't made any advancements in considering all Muslims to be terrorists. I hear the disclaimers of, "I don't think all Muslims are terrorists," or "I have Muslim friends," but if we really have shed our fear and hatred of Muslims, than a Mosque wouldn't bother anyone. A statue of Bin Laden--wrong, but a place of worship?? It just seems like we're still holding all Muslims accountable for the actions of a few. I know I certainly wouldn't want to be held accountable for the foolish actions of some in my own faith. Great topic to write on!


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K9keystrokes 6 years ago from Northern, California

I am having a difficult time even comprehending why on earth this would be a consideration by Pres Obama? It would seem that a mosque being built any where near ground zero is a diliberate slap in the face to all of the Americans who were affected by the events of 911 (that would be just about every America).

I find a distain from deep within, it lurks and sways left and right of my soul; it is difficult to control and feels so unnatural, yet it truly belongs to me. A feeling that I rarely find living within by body,...it has the bitter taste of old wine and tattered cigars, it delivers a scent to my brain that keeps all of the good and loving things within my heart tampted down, left strugglilng to find something, anything reasonable about the mosque location? The gentle shaking of my hands as I attempt to tap the keys, reminds of a greater shaking the day the towers crunmbled taking our loved ones and friends and fellow Americans to an ugly and an oh, so measurable end.

I try to form the prayer to bless Mr. Obama and guide him to a true and bold place where great men reside, braver to not sacrifice the pain of the many to appeaze the hatred of mislead humans who misinterpret their own words. The higher power, God, Ala, Jesus, Budda and the many more names to which he responds,...Please tell the people they will not endure another delivery of a miss guided plan?

Thank you for a hub that has informeed us of much and disclosed a grand betrayal.

My heart simply weeps,

~Always choose love~

K9


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK Author

Thanks Joni, Worldgrandeur, Steve8miller, Allan Douglas, Katie, a hostage situation and K9. Mmmmh, a lot to take in and I'm glad you shared your views as it helps me see a bigger picture.

@worldgrandeur - its interesting what you shared about the Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile inquistion and...

@Steve8miller - sharing info on Christians supporting the KKK.

@John Badd (You are so diplomatic. lol) Very interesting points raised. Ps. Most stories on google use the words "Obama approved".

@ahostage situation - not a disclaimer. I still believe 100% not all muslims are terrorists and I do have muslim friends. The key is simply: Sensitivity and as stated in Joni Douglas' comments also Promoting Goodwill.

@K9 - Thanks so much. That's deep.


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Tom Cornett 6 years ago from Ohio

"I am aware that not all Muslims are terrorists and I have Muslim friends, but the point is this is an extremely sensitive issue and looking at it generally, the decision should be reviewed."

You pretty much summed it up perfectly here. It is extremely sensitive and it should have been intensely reviewed privately before being released publicly. Now...either way it becomes a political and religious mess.


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lorlie6 6 years ago from Bishop, Ca

I am also an Obama supporter and this decision floored me. I agree with you completely, Elena, and do not understand his decision whatsoever.

Salt, indeed.


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aka-dj 6 years ago from Australia

Send Obama your survey results. :D


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psychicdog.net 6 years ago

Lady E what I'm trying to say is that language has a performative aspect - it positions us in a particular way - it is never just descriptive - if you treat others with the premise I'm OK, you're OK, judgements based on past actions (what others have done) do not get in the way of moving forward - at one time an African-American as a president would have been unthinkable (you're not Ok if you are black). Does that make it clearer? My heartfelt commiserations to all those innocent lives who died and suffered on that day.Lest we forget.


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Rickrideshorses 6 years ago from England

The principles of a 'free' America are why he says that he's allowed the Mosque. That makes sense. But he should have shown more discretion. Unfortunately, Obama's decision to back the Mosque will affect him badly in the polls.

One point...''The Mosque represents the Islamists – most of them believe in Jihad.'' Isn't that a bit of a sweeping statement? Surely it's only the extremists that belive in Jihad.


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK Author

Thanks Tom, Lorlie, aka-dj, Psychicdog and Rickrideshorses. I appreciate your comments.

@psychicdog - thanks for coming back to elaborate.

The comments received on this Hub are overwhelming, I don't know what to write anymore, without repeating myself.

I just hope that however it turns out, that people can try and move on with their lives. If it's built, I know it will hurt those who lost loved ones but we can't stay bitter forever..... you did your best by making your thoughts known to Obama.

Do Take Heart.

Warmes Wishes, Elena.


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FGual 6 years ago from USA

Hello LadyE. I admire you for tackling this thorny painful issue. I was unaware that there was already a mosque in the area, one more strike against it. Beyond Obama's folly, it is beyond me why mayor Bloomberg would approve if most of his city is against it. The citizens of New York should decide and they are opposed, so case closed.


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equealla 6 years ago from Pretoria, South Africa

Oh it is so sad, all this division. If I would have to choose, I would not know what to say. So difficult to keep everybody O.K., is'nt it?

Every person has a valid argument from his/her perspective. I am just so glad the ultimate decision is not in my hands. Either way, you are going to get opposition and critique. I just hope whatever will happen, it will do so for the best interest of all involved.


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kingkhan78 6 years ago

interesting hub and your information is very informative to hub page community thanks for sharing


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Maryanne Maguire 6 years ago from Santa Monica, CA

GOod points here, inspirational. Glad you were not afraid to post your views.


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK Author

Hello Fgual, Equealla, Kingkhan and Maryanne - Thanks so much for taking the time to post your comments. In the words of Equealla: either way there will be opposition.

@Maryanne - I tell you whatever decision Obama decides to take again. I'm not writing a Hub about it. This one swept me off my feet. :)


Biniyam Teka 6 years ago

Shouldn't there be moral considerations?This is a historic decision?Is this the time we should start focusing on @Obama's middle name or...?


Haymi 6 years ago

Did everyone think what their intention would be? may be the mosque gonna be the bomb factory deep inside or the conference hall for the al-kaida members and the like ...


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Hello, hello, 6 years ago from London, UK

I think all is already said what there had to be said. I can only only add that it would the worst hurt upon hurt to the families. They done already enough hurt, why more?


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Shalini Kagal 6 years ago from India

Hi Lady_E - even to outsiders, the decision seems so pointless and so insulting to everyone who suffered that day. How much more for people who lost their loved ones. I agree - it really does seem like rubbing salt into wounds that would otherwise have healed with time!


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turguman 6 years ago from Egypt

Lady_E

Muslims were killed too in 9/11 isn`t it ?!


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK Author

Thanks Biniyam, Haymi, Hello Hello, Shalini and Turguman for your comments. They are much appreciated.

@Turguman - Hi there, I remember you from months ago in Forums. How are you?

In response to your question, I've done some research and the figure is from about 50 to 100. No one can give a correct figure. Also see website below.

http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm

... Yes Muslims were killed but I don't think these people give a toss. Most of the people killed in the Mumbai attacks were Muslims and the Terrorists were aware that there were a large amount of Muslims there.

Anyway, Salaam Alaikum.


amorea13 6 years ago

Hi Lady E - a few days ago I commented on this hub as it really is so good and thought-provoking - I also said I wasn't sure what to say about the issue - I do now though and I wrote a poem about it - wanted to thank you for writing your hub as otherwise I just wouldn't have even thought about it as a subject nor been so inspired to write. Thank you.


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andromida 6 years ago

I think certainly building a new mosque will hurt the relatives of 911 victims and the commoners.But believe it or not Obama was predicted as the maximum puppet president soon after his election,the real power in not in his hands. Anyone with little common sense can imagine that building a mosque in the vicinity of the ground zero will raise public outrage, and such a high caliber and intelligent person like Obama is well aware of how people will evaluate his decision on building that mosque and what will be the consequences of it.He is just the visible part of the unseen power house controlling the world.Thanks a lot for writing on this important issue.


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

I am relieved to see at least SOME sensibility from the left on this issue. I think you've stated some very good rationales here, which so many on the left are simply not seeing through to, for NOT building the Mosque. It may be something that CAN be done legally and Constitutionally. But it is not prudent to do so. The fact that Imam Feisal Rauf also will not acknowledge Hamas and Hezbullah as terrorist organizations, that he had stated on 9/30/10 in a 60 Minutes interview that US policy caused 911, and that Osama Bin Laden was made in the USA, among the consideration as well that Rauf will not (yet) disclaim where funding for the project may come from, this all ties the Mosque, in my view, to terrorism. It makes it about victory and arrogance.

I've said it all along. Put up an AMERICAN non-denominational center for worship, prayer, rememberence, and INCLUDE the Muslim faith. If Imam Rauf really wanted to create a bridge, he'd build that instead of a "Muslim cultural center."

A bridge goes in two directions. A Mosque only goes in one.


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK Author

** Thanks Amorea - I checked out the poem.

** Hi Andromida, How are you? Thanks for your interesting comments. Its nice to read your point of view and I like your way of thinking. Best Wishes.

** Hello Springboard - I appreciate your comments and have learnt a few things too. As you noted, "its not prudent to do so." Your suggestion at the end is a very good one. I should post this Hub to the White House. lol.

Regards.


Nobama 6 years ago

Get that man out of office. He's Muslim and not born in America. When the heck will American's wake up. Of course he's letting them build it!! GOD help this country. Vote for real change 2012. Put the American flag back on the Air Force One, remove his stupid soda looking anti American symbol! He loves watching the U.S.A. fall apart. Isn't that why he's here? I miss Ronald Reagan.


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK Author

Thanks Nobama but because he made a decision most disagree with, doesn't mean we have to chuck him out of the office...


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Godwin Nwando 6 years ago from San Diego

"The Mosque represents the Islamists – most of them believe in Jihad."

Luckily, you are very wrong, the majority of Muslims are not Jihadist but most (or at least half) are Americans who care about those in the towers because after all, Muslims died in the towers as well.

And Nobama sounds hateful, so Im glad there are not too many of him either.


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glenn wallace 6 years ago

I still don't get the argument against the mosque.

"It's insensitive."

Just doesn't cut it for me. A constitutionally protected freedom shouldn't disappear for an entire religion just because some people are offended.

"Well actually, polls indicate more than 60% of Americans don't think it should be built."

Well, just a generation ago, more than 60% of this nation was against integration of black and white. Two generations ago the majority of this country thought it was a good idea to create 'internment camps' for Japanese Americans.

The point of the Constitution is to protect the people from government, but also from ourselves. Ideals should be upheld above the passions of the era.

Also, just a small point: Obama didn't give the 'go ahead' for the mosque. He just commented that he felt it should be allowed, but left the decision up to the regular process of local zoning rules.

Do people want the POTUS (this one, or any future ones for that matter) deciding which religious facilities are allowed where? I sure as hell don't.

Also, for all the Obama bashers out there, keep in mind others have also publicly supported the right of Muslim Americans to build a place of worship, including NY Mayor Bloomberg and Ron Paul...


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Becky Puetz 5 years ago from Oklahoma

Well said Lady_E. Putting up a mosque near ground zero is even more than rubbing salt in a open wound, it's a disgrace and completely disrespectful. Thank you for an awesome hub.


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Lady_E 5 years ago from London, UK Author

Thanks Becky - I wonder what's going on with that Project, as I wrote this about 6 months ago.

Anyway, we hope for the best.

Thanks so much for stopping.


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Ask_DJ_Lyons 5 years ago from Mosheim, Tennessee

Thank you for sharing your well-thought-out points. Best wishes to you!


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Lady_E 5 years ago from London, UK Author

Thanks for stopping: DJ Lyons.


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nenytridiana 4 years ago from Probolinggo - Jawa Timur - Indonesia

I am a muslim. I don't deny what has happened to ground zero was doing by muslim, and I am really sorry about that. I myself did not agree with their actions, but nothing I could do. I didn't agree either to US invasion to any country (muslim or non muslim country) in the name of peace. I have a lot of friends from America, Australia and other country, they are live in peace in my country that has 90% muslim. They are doing their bussiness freely.

Yes, That tragedy was our homework to solve. Let us doing our homeworks without adding more homeworks before finish one of them. I don't know what Obama is trying to do, but it won't solve anything. Muslim don't need that, we can pray anywhere, in the house, in the street, in the ocean.

I apologize for our inability to control our brothers. Thank you for sharing.


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Lady_E 4 years ago from London, UK Author

Hi Neny

No need to apologise but thanks for your warm comments. There are wonderful Muslim people all over the world, it's just the few who are Terrorists that taint it for the Peaceful Muslims like you.

A memorial has been done in Time Square - New York. Hopefully, this should keep everyone Happy.

Peace be to you. Salaam... :)

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