Honor Roll of American Hate Groups, Racists, Nativists, Militia-men, Homophobes, Anti-Semites and other Extremists

Honor Roll of Racists, Nativists, Oathkeepers, Anti-tax Activists, Militia Men, et al

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The current issue of the Southern Poverty Law Center's "Intelligence Report" provides a useful inventory of current American racists, nativists, anti-tax protests, militias and assorted other extremist whack jobs.

Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs and Joe Wilson head the list. Dobbs called President Obama a racist. Congressman Joe Wilson called the president a liar. Limbaugh blamed Obama for an attack by black kids on white kids saying it was par for the course in "Obama's America."Former Republican congressman Joe Scarborough and columnist Tom Friedman warned that using such poisonous language could lead to deadly consequences.

In November, Bill Sparkman, a federal census taker, was found hanging naked with "Fed" scrawled across his chest. [Note, The Kentucky state police have concluded that Sparkman's death was a suicide, staged to look like a hate crime so that his insurance policies would pay death benefits to his beneficiaries. Apparently he had discussed suicide several times before his death.] Mark Potok, the publication's editor pointed out that the last time the political scene seemed this overcharged was in 1995 when years of anti-government rhetoric, (not unlike now found in some quarters on HubPages) culminated in the Oklahoma City bombing by anti-government extremists causing the death of 168 government workers.

Other hate group members, extremists, nativists, Anti-tax activists, militiamen listed by the publication include:

John Joe Gray will soon mark the tenth anniversary of his heavily armed standoff with law enforcement in the hills of East Texas.

James Edward McCrink of Las Vegas quietly funds groups like the holocaust-denying Institute for Historical Review and the racist New Century Foundation. McCrink's Do Right Foundation once even backed a group led by a former principal of the American Nazi Party.

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad (a.k.a. Carlos Bledsoe, a U.S. citizen who converted to Islam as a teenager), a 23-year-old opened fire outside a military center in Little Rock. Muhammad fired 30 rounds from a Russian-made SKS assault rifle from inside his vehicle on June 1, 2009, killing one soldier and seriously wounding another. Muhammad told the AP the killing was justified because the U.S. military has targeted Muslims in the Middle East. (Sound familiar?)

HATE IN THE MAINSTREAM

Tom Tancredo--"La Raza is a Latino KKK without the hoods or nooses," criticizing Sonia Sotomayor on May 28, 2009.

Rusty DePass, former South Carolina State Election Commission Chairman, referring to the escape of a gorilla, "I'm sure it's just one of Michelle Obama's ancestors," June 12 in a Facebook comment.

Brian Kilmeade, Fox and Friends, Co-host--"The Swedes have pure genes, because they marry other Swedes...Finns marry other Finns, so they have a pure society. In America, we...keep marrying other species and other ethnics."

Anonymous comment posted July 15 on Domelights.com, a Philadelphis police officers' website about 60 mostly black children with advance reservations turned away from a private swimming pool--"Maybe the people who work for a living didn't want to swim with a bunch of ghetto monkey faces."

Pat Buchanan, MSNBC political commentator--"This has been a country built mostly by white folks." July 16 MSNBC's "The Rachel Maddow Show."

Justin Barrett, Boston police officer, suspended after saying "If I was the officer he verbally assaulted like a bannana-eating jungle monkey, I would have sprayed him in the face with [pepper spray]."

Glenn Beck, Fox News Host--on July 28 edition of Fox and Friends "This president has exposed himself as a guy, over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture."

HATE CRIMES

DOJ Probes 'Discriminatory Policing' in Suffolk County, New York, protests of SCPD's handling of crimes reported by Latinos. The police allegedly fail to investigate crimes against Latinos and discourages victims from seeking assistance.

In Lynn, Massachusetts, six boys, age 11 to 14 were charged in September with severely beating a Guatemalan immigrant with bricks, bottles and rocks as he slept near the railroad tracks.

In Staten, Island, N.Y., three men beat a Latino immigrant with a baseball bat, splitting his head open.

In Huntington Beach, California, four white supremacist gang members were indicted for attempted murder after they allegedly stabbed, punched and kicked a Mexican immigrant in a predominantly Latino neighborhood where they "went hunting for a non-white" on July 3. A day later, a 45-year-old Latina working as a custodian in a gated community in Ladera Ranch, CA, ws stabbed and robbed by two men who yelled racial epithets."They told me I wasn't worth anything. They said they didn't like me and they didn't like Mexicans," Maria Guadarrama told the Orange County Register. One of the men reportedly had a swastika tattooed on his shoulder.

Dennis and Daniel Mahon, who have long histories in the white supremacist movement--were arrested June 25 in a raid of their home in Davis Junction, ILL, which yielded assault rifles, bulletproof vests, two improvised explosive devices and a large assortment of white supremacist literature and other racist paraphernalia. Dennis was taped in the squad car after his arrest saying that if the authorities had arrived at 3a.m. instead of 6 a.m. they would have needed body bags. "We should have had a shootout." Daniel reportedly agreed.The brothers are accused of constructing an mailing a mail bomb which blew up and injured the hands of a black official in Scottsdale, AZ.

Tom Metzger, former Klan leader and White Aryan Resistance (WAR) in which the Mahon brothers were active was also raided but not arrested. The Mahon brothers' indictment accuses them of carrying out the mail bombing to "promote racial discord," on behalf of Metzger's organization.

Robert Joos, long-time white supremacist organizer, was also raided on the same day and is being held on federal weapons charges including one for being a felon in possession of firearms. Joos's property in McDonald county Missouri has long been used for training underground white supremacists.

RACIST SKINHEADS

Michael John Parrish, white supremacist prison guard, in Effort, Pennsylvania, has been charged with the shooting murder of his girlfriend an her 18-month-old daughter in a fit of rage. Parrish is a probationary member of the Vinlander Social Club, a racist skin-head gang with a propensity for violence. Despite a tatoo of the word "HITLER" on his left forearm Parrish was employed by the Monroe County Correctional Facility. A search of Parrish's apartment turned up Nazi memorabilia, several firearms and "Celtic pride" symbols. An acquaintance told police that Parrish began stockpiling ammunition, guns and food after Barack Obama's election. Victoria Adams, the slain woman, was also apparently a part of the white supremacist movement, despite her part Puerto Rican ethnicity.

Conrad Jankowski, 23, fellow racist skin-head was arrested along with Parrish in New Hampshire. Parrish was in possession of a .357 Glock pistol. Jankowski, who has a swastika tattooed on his chest, was charged with "hindering apprehension."

BLACK SEPARATISTS

New Black Panther Party--a black separatist, anti-white, anti-gay, anti-semitic hate group--The Department of Justice has launched an internal investigation into the dismissal of voter intimidation charges against members of the NBPP for their actions at Philadelphia polling place in November 2008. The national leadership of NBPP has suspended the group's Philadelphis chapter indefinitely. No doubt we'll be hearing more about this groupl

LOU DOBBS TOUTS CONSPIRACY MONGER, BIRTHER, JEROME CORSI AS "IMMIGRATION EXPERT"

Dobbs introduced conspiracy hound Jerome Corsi as a guest on his program September 15. "We're going to be talking about, obviously, illegal immigration. We're going to be talking about border security. And...Jerome Corsi is a pretty good guy to talk to about all of that. FAIR, the anti-immigrant hate group presented Dobbs with it's "We the People" media award.

NATIONAL SOCIALIST MOVEMENT

The NSM meeting in Greensboro was entertained by the skin-head band, Empire Falls, which includes members of the "Old Glory Skinheads." The NSM claimed that 70 members attended the one-day Greensboro converence aimed at expanding the movement. The NSM is the largest neo-Nazi group in the U.S., claiming 70 chapters in 30 states.

EXTREMISM AND THE LAW

Paul Huss, 38, Hammerskin Nation, racist skinhead group member arrested in Endwell, New York. a year after being released from six years in prison for bank robbery and assault. He also belongs to a motorcycle gang The Chosen Few. Nineteen of his associates were arrested in western New York for possession of assault weapons and hand grenades.

Byron O'Neal Willenberg, a member of the racist European Kindred gang was arrested in Multonomah County, Oregon, on multiple counts of rape sodomy and burglary.

Mark Goslyn, member of the Inland Empire Skinheads, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit robbery. He was arrested along with 7 others in a mass sweep in San Bernardino and Riverside, CA of racist skinheads. One arrestee was a woman who tried to induce labor so that her baby would be born on Hitler's birthday, April 20.

Penelope Phelps-Roper, an arrested member of the Westboro Baptist Church, whose members picket military funerals, claiming "God is killing soldiers because America is a "fag enabling" nation. Penelope was arrested for flag desecration by encouraging her 10-year-old son to stomp on an American flag outside a veteran's funeral in Bellevue, Nebraska.

Allen Michael Goff, 17, a member of the Creativity Movement, was arrested for shooting a Latino teenager in the knee in an altercation outside a mall in Billings, Montana. Goff had a 9mm pistol and a patch for Montana Front, another white supremacist group.

TAX PROTESTERS

Tax protesters, Elaine Brown, 68, and her husband, Ed Brown, were sentenced to 35 years in prison, October 1, after being convicted of conspiracy and weapons charges. Elaine Brown helped her husband accumulate an arsenal of explosives and weapons including booby traps and .50 caliber sniper rifles after they refused to surrender to serve prison terms for their 2007 convictions for tax-related felonies. They avoided prison for nearly nine months, holed up in their fortified concrete home in Plainfield, NH. They became celebrities in the anti-government "Patriot" and tax-protest movements.

Their arsenal included 22 pipe bombs, gunpowder grenades, dozens of firearms and 50,000 rounds of ammunition.

Robert W. Wilson, in his 80s, philanthropist is giving his $800 million fortune away to many worthy causes and to anti-immigration organization FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform). FAIR was founded 30 years ago by John Tanton, patriarch of the modern nativist movement. It is the most important organization fueling the backlash against immigration. FAIR stands to benefit from nearly one million $ from Wilson. FAIR has employed members of white supremacist groups in key positions and some FAIR board members write for hate publications. FAIR has promoted racist conspiracy theories about Mexico's "secret designs on the American Southwest."

WHITES ONLY PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL LEAGUE PROPOSED BY WHITE RACIST DON, "MOOSE" LEWIS, "COMMISIONER" OF WHITE LEAGUE



What you can do to promote tolerance and fight hatred--from the Southern Poverty Law Center

WHAT YOU CAN DO

There are many ways that you can promote tolerance and fight hate. Try some of the folowing for starters.

* Speak up when you hear slurs. Let people know that biased speech is unacceptable. Apathy is as dangerous as hate.

* Cross social boundaries. Seek out opportunities to interact with people who are different from you. Eat lunch with someone new.

* Complain to media outlets when they promote stereotypes.

* Look inside yourself for hidden biases. Take a test at www.hidden bias.org

* Encourage your local po9lice force to identify bias-motivated criminal acts as hate crimes

Hutaree Members Arrested by the FBI 3-28-10 for Plot Against the Government
Hutaree Members Arrested by the FBI 3-28-10 for Plot Against the Government

Hutaree Conspiracy Theories

Report spurred probe

The FBI called for a full investigation of the Hutaree in 2008, after a confidential informant infiltrated the group and reported an attack appeared imminent.

The informant, court records show, met with Stone Sr. regularly at a restaurant to address the Hutaree's goals and attended the group's shooting exercises in the woods. The informant said the militia members spoke openly about having explosives and preparing for "the upcoming war."

The informant also admitted to being scared by the "cult-like behavior of the group."

The informant learned Hutaree members had several conspiracy theories, such as:

• The Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and Oklahoma City bombing were orchestrated by the government.

• Hurricane Katrina was caused by Army Rangers who went into New Orleans and set explosives on the levees.

• The movie "The Matrix" is based on facts.

[From the Detroit Free Press February 12, 2012.]

Shameful Teagaggers Torment Man with Parkinson's in Columbus

Troy Newman CEO of Operation Rescue
Troy Newman CEO of Operation Rescue
Anti-Tax Tea Party Sign
Anti-Tax Tea Party Sign
SKS Assault Rifle
SKS Assault Rifle
David Patrick Kennedy, founder of European Kindred
David Patrick Kennedy, founder of European Kindred
Westboro Baptist Church Pickets at Military Funeral
Westboro Baptist Church Pickets at Military Funeral

If Fascism Comes to America

"If fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."  The quotation has been variously attributed to Sinclair Lewis and Huey Long. Apparently it's not clear whether either of them actually said it.

Here's trouble! Mike Vandenboegh

4-9-10 Free Press--Hutaree Leader WAR NECESSARY

Hutaree militia leader: War necessary

As he practiced vitriolic speech, it was recorded

BY DAVID ASHENFELTER
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER


David Stone, the leader of the Hutaree Christian militia in Lenawee County, thought he was trying out a speech on his supporters during a car ride to a national militia meeting in Kentucky on Feb. 6.


Instead, he was speaking into a federal microphone.


http://www.freep.com/article/20100409/OPINION05/4090320/1318/">Terrorism in the name of God

One of his traveling companions, identified only as "Other Individual" in a federal transcript of the conversation filed this week in U.S. District Court in Detroit, encouraged Stone to read the speech aloud during the trip.

"Yeah, we got time," the mystery man told Stone. "Yeah, a captive audience."

The unidentified man, who is believed to have been an undercover federal agent who infiltrated the group, even turned down the car radio so everyone could hear the 700-word address.

The U.S. Attorney's Office declined Thursday to say whether the unidentified individual was a federal agent, but Stone's criminal lawyer, William Swor of Detroit, said it is "a reasonable assumption."

During the speech, Stone said Americans were waiting for people like militia members to decide to go to war against the New World Order, a group of international power brokers he said had taken over the U.S. government.

"We outnumber them," Stone said. "They forget, they live in our neighborhoods. They shop at our grocery stores. They eat at our restaurants. We are the ones who control everything in this nation from preparing the food that they eat to running the power stations. ... "

Federal prosecutors played a recording of the speech last week during a detention hearing in Detroit, where a judge ordered Stone, 45, of Clayton and seven other suspected members of the Hutaree detained pending trial.

But prosecutors wouldn't release the recording or a transcript to the news media, saying it would jeopardize Stone's free trial rights.

Yet the transcript was filed in federal court in Detroit on Monday with paperwork from last week's detention hearing in Hammond, Ind., for a ninth suspect: Thomas Piatek, 46, of Whiting, Ind.

Stone never delivered his speech because a Feb. 6 snowstorm forced his group to turn back in Indianapolis.

The nine are charged with seditious conspiracy, attempting to use weapons of mass destruction and possession of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence. The weapons of mass destruction charge is the most serious, carrying a maximum penalty of life in prison.

Swor said Stone had a legal right to express his views: "There is nothing he said that's illegal. U.S. citizens have a right to criticize the government. Wasn't the whole Tea Party movement and health care debate based on 'We can't trust the government?' "

Stone, his wife, Tina Stone, 44, and son Joshua Stone, 21, are appealing their detention without bail. A judge is expected to hear their appeals next week.

Contact DAVID ASHENFELTER:

dashenfelter@freepress.com

Lyndon LaRouchers at Birmingham, Michigan Post Office 4-20-10 deedsphotos

Comments 229 comments

livelonger profile image

livelonger 6 years ago from San Francisco

I like this "wall of shame." People like this shouldn't be able to hide from the filth they propagate.


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blue dog 6 years ago from texas hill country

it almost makes the head hurt just thinking about all of this. certainly causes one to shake the head in amazement. good job.


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someonewhoknows 6 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

I'm not surprised that there are so many hate groups around when I hear our own military leaders during world war two decided to bring hundreds of neo nazi's from Hitlers third Riech over to the unitedstates because these were mind control scientists that people in our government were using to perform mind control experiments on Americans including children.One program was named Mkultra.MK stands for mind control in german.I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they used their mind control techniques on their own children.

There are a few books out there on the subject of mind control as well as Hypnosis,which is used along with shock therapy and sensory deprevation to breakdown the will of those they wish to control.Someone under such control has a split personality,where one personality is totally unaware of the other and can be programed to do things that are against their will.Contrary to what we are told by people ho practice hypnosis ,a persons will can be controlled totally by the hypnotist.

Although,I cannot say that I know that these techniques are being used on members of sny hate groups.There is always the possibility of that being the case.Maybe they really do hate others that much.I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt.

pt-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIw11Jdol-4&feature...

pt-2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi7CsxuOlGQ

pt-3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGAPkL5rk-w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofwgk0D5dHs?


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Thanks for the comments. The links you posted are, in my opinion, one of the factors stirring up the ignorant hate groups.


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wyanjen 6 years ago from Wyandotte Michigan

This is a shameful and sobering list.

Nativists should maybe read a little history?

I agree livelonger, let the light shine on them.

Jen


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DestyMrparrot 6 years ago from Karachi

Gud one sir


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A.J. Frank 6 years ago from Rochester

The more hate spewing by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, Joe Wilson and their ilk the more good and honest people who don't know how critical thinking works, are swayed into thinking that these idiots are correct.

I believe the problem is (and who would have ever thought!) that good news men like Walter Cronkite, Huntley & Brinkley etc have set the stage for news. The thinking goes that anything reported as news is fact. How wrong this is in this day and age. What a slur to our former (and legitimate current) news anchors who worked tirelessly to bring us honest, unbiased. news.

Someone should invite Beck, Limbaugh, Dobbs and Wilson to a panel discussion. On the other side would be (pick your favorite) moderates.

What would make this interesting is to have four or five people at internet connected PC's to fact check the discussion. I'm betting that the Beck/Limbaugh team wouldn't be able to open their mouths for very long before being called on their lies (a buzzer would be a nice touch)... AAAAAAHHHH "Sorry Rush, your last statement is totally inaccurate."

It's about time these people were exposed!


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ethel smith 6 years ago from Kingston-Upon-Hull

Such worrying times. With financial problems and such hatred more stupid wars are inevitable. Just look at what was happening pre world war two.

It seems that ignorance is alive and well in the 21st century I am afraid.


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Tom Cornett 6 years ago from Ohio

"In November, Bill Sparkman, a federal census taker, was found hanging naked with "Fed" scrawled across his chest."

Didn't they find that he committed suicide?

There is a balance of hatred from both sides. Is defensive hatred any better than offensive hatred?

The core of hatred is ignorance and self righteousness. We can combat ignorance with education....however...self righteousness is handed down from idiot to idiot.

I knew a guy who hated black people and Jews because his dad and grandfather hated them. He had never met a black person or Jew. He came to school one day with swastikas on his arm he'd made with an ink pen.

A teacher had him stand in front of class and explain his views. He looked and sounded like the total idiot he was. The entire class disagreed with him and learned that idiots are easy to discern....just ask them why?

Maybe we should be asking both sides....why? It is easier to talk against a thousand wrongs than stand for one right.

I simply don't see either side standing.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Tom, thanks for pointing out that Kentucky state police have concluded that Sparkman's death was a suicide staged to look like a hate murder so that his life insurance policies would pay death benefits to his relatives. I've pointed this out in the text of this Hub above.

Here's a link to a recent Christian Science Monitor article on it

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1125/p02s05-ussc.htm...


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Beyond-Politics 6 years ago from The Known Universe (beyond.the.spectrum@gmail.com)

We live in a world where people can justify acts like slavery, the Holocaust, suicide bombings, cutting off heads, flying airplanes into airplanes, who believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy, who believe in black UN helicopters, religious warfare, and one-world governments...is this any surprise that groups like this exist?


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Nope. Quite a few of these whackjobs seem to be attracted to HubPages. Takes all kinds.


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MFB III 6 years ago from United States

So many hateful people hiding behind the first ammendment rights to stir the masses like an angry hornets nest...with callous iresponsible regularity. Spewing filth and lies, daily, calling it fair and balanced, and then calling those they've harass liars when the accused bring to light all of the fabrications. It will come to a head soon, and many heads will roll, I will be directing my aim at the list above, in my words, in my readings, and if neccesssary, if they chose to come after me as well, Then I will be direction my aim at them in the sights of my double gauge. Great write!~~~MFB III


A.M. Gwynn 6 years ago

Thank you very much for listing the above people/groups.

Groups spring up so quickly and so often, it's hard to keep track sometimes.

And I appreciate the message of this hub Ralph!


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Thanks for the comments. I hope my message is one of tolerance but not for the hate groups. They don't deserve it.


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JAMESBIGDOGG5535 6 years ago

Why don't these group's go over and fight the real enemy of America, Ben and his boys. Oh, they want to fight a man who they think wont or can't fight back. Maybe thats the reason they come at one man with 25 or 30 of them. That doesn't seem like a brave man to me. i say go hate and fight the real enemy.


Get Tough 6 years ago

Racism and religious intolerance is an an ever present threat around the world. Neo nazi groups are prospering in Eastern Europe, there are Hindu fundamentalists bent on killing or driving Moslem's and Christians out of large parts of India and Fox panders to the worst instincts of the worst kinds of American.

People need to remember Germany in the forties and realize you need to get tough with these people. They can wreck whole countries.


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kartika damon 6 years ago from Fairfield, Iowa

I'm glad you keep calling them out so everyone can see who these people are and what their agendas are! The Southern Poverty Law Center is a fantastic group. I plan to come back and read this more carefully!


oldenuf2nobetter 6 years ago

Informative,well written hub.I've been very alarmed by some of the comments I've heard lately.


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dashingclaire 6 years ago from United States

I appreciated the hub. It supports my opinion. I have to add to your comment, "Quite a few of these whackjobs seem to be attracted to HubPages." It's all forms of social media like Twitter, Facebook, etc. They are all an extension and representation of society, just concentrated. We need to continue to speak out against hate and these groups, so that our silent is not confused for acceptance of their dogma. Periodically the History Channel runs program on the history of such groups.


ColdWarBaby 6 years ago

Ralph, this sort of information makes me think that the extinction of our species would probably not be a bad thing.

If we can't live in Peace, we don't deserve to live at all.


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livelonger 6 years ago from San Francisco

@ColdWarBaby: I think we've slowly gotten more civilized through the centuries. Of course, this sort of stuff reminds you it's a "2 steps forward, 1 step back" sort of progress. But we are becoming a more peaceful species. :)


intro 6 years ago

Absolutely ridiculous to lump media figures who do not worship Holy Obama in with supremacist groups and terrorists, trying to create an illusion of association, but I'm not surprised at this tactic. I am surprised that so many here endorse it.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Beck and Hannity and Limbaugh are major contributors to the growing climate of conspiracy and hatred in this country.


intro 6 years ago

Nonsense!


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Why do you say that?


intro 6 years ago

That is trying to link conservatism with "conspiracy and hatred." Not true. Research the history of the Republican party, it came into power promoting the abolition of slavery. Do KKK listen to Limbaugh? I doubt it, and it's ridiculous to try to link them. Historically a lot of racists have been Democrats. There's plenty of hate on the Left, and I think the attempt to label conservative media hosts and their listeners can only be based on hatred. As for conspirators and conspiracy theorists, they come in all political flavors. I don't think for one moment that my comments will change your mind, but I saw a lot of like-minded comments approving of the SPLC tactics, which I think are incredibly unfair and silly, and I just wanted to indicate my disagreement!


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Have you ever watched Glenn Beck? He's promoted one conspiracy theory and anti-Obama lie after another. He claims to be an independent, but he's certainly been anti-Obama. The modern Republicans came into power by out-doing southern Democrats on racism beginning with the Nixon-Reagan "southern strategy" thus relinquishing any claim to be the abolition party. One by one they picked off the old South democrats using racism as a campaign tactic. The strongest followers of Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity are in the South and among gun nuts, "birthers" nativists, conspiracy theorists and other Red State whackjobs. Why do you think 90 percent of blacks and a big majority of Hispanics vote Democrat? They aren't stupid.


intro 6 years ago

Whoa there buddy, let's look at one of those phrases: gun nuts. Sounds like you have something against people who practice the right described in the Second Amendment. The Founders were gun nuts too. Red State whackjobs? That is a prejudiced and hateful way to describe conservatives. Perhaps you mean well (?) but I think you have a one-way filter going on in your judgments. You can see problems on one side but not the other.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Intro, FYI, I own three guns--two shotguns and a .22 Rifle. I started hunting with my Dad when I was 12 or so. I have nothing against hunting and target guns. The manufacture and sale and ownership of handguns should be strictly regulated. Handguns and long guns with large capacity magazines should be illegal and their manufacture or importation prohibited by law. These weapons are not protected by the Second Amendment.

Here's an example of a whackjob who happens to be from my home state where we are blessed with the Michigan Militia which as I recall had something to do with inspiring the Oklahoma City government office bombing. How would you describe these people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkavwuWE5eQ


intro 6 years ago

Should be illegal, should be regulated...why? Handguns are nothing new, the people who wrote the Constitution were familiar with them. The Second doesn't limit the type of arms. It acknowledges the right to bear arms and references the need for militia as an example reason why this right should not be infringed...any anti-gun legislation is an infringement, so we're already a long way from the Constitution.

That is a disturbing video though...the whackjobs on the stage did a terrible job of answering the good citizen's question.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Handguns were quite different from those now used to create mayhem all over our land. Also, the country was much different. People weren't concentrated in cities. The country was predominantly rural and small towns. And I don't recall that there were any drug wars at the time the Second Amendment was adopted. My understanding is that 2nd Amendment law is not entirely settled and that the latest opinions permit "reasonable" state and city regulation of gun sale, ownership and use. No court has said that the right to stockpile of machine guns, hand grenades and other military weapons is guaranteed by the Second Amendment as much as some of survivalists and other whackjobs wish it were. Your assertion that "any anti-gun legislation is an infringement" is simply not true. Why don't you do a little research on it and get back with us. Most legal opinion considers the National Guard the modern equivalent of the militias mentioned in the Second Amendment.

As I mentioned, the Michigan Militia was rumored to have influenced Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City government office building bomber. [Note: Wikipedia says this is incorrect. That McVeigh was not a member of the Michigan Militia. However, my recollection is that he was involved in some similar radical group or activity. I'll do a little research.] Surely this crazy organization is not what the framers of the Constitution had in mind.

Michigan Militia's Wikipedia entry here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Militia


intro 6 years ago

All guns are quite different now. Sorry, any legal opinion against the evident meaning of the Constitution is wrong, even if upheld or tolerated by those in power. Americans have been armed throughout our history and the Founders assumed that a well-armed populace could withstand any attempts at tyranny. (Unfortunately they didn't foresee the self-destruction modern liberal movement.) As for the Michigan Militia, I am not intimately acquainted but from what I know of them, I respect them. Your badmouthing them on account of vague recollections is pretty lame.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Well, you are welcome to your beliefs and assertions. My understanding of court decisions and the law differs markedly from yours.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Intro, you're sounding more and more like a member of this group--

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/fe...


intro 6 years ago

Hmmm, so you're basically calling me a dangerous "rightwing" (I always thought that might be better hyphenated, but ah well) extremist. That's typical for your statements, which are chock full of derogatory terms and questionable comparisons. I should have predicted that one. Some liberals talk very much like highly prejudiced people of the bygone era, only they've substituted hatred of conservatives (and often Christians) for hatred of blacks or other groups. Hate lives on, unfortunately.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

You are partially correct--I am prejudiced against nativists, homophobes, survivalists, conspiracy theorists, corporate "banksters" and other rip-off artists, the NRA and gun nuts and Faux News. I am prejudiced in favor of the truth in the media and on HubPages. I make no apologies for these prejudices.


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William R. Wilson 6 years ago from Knoxville, TN

Why should we be allowed anyone to stockpile weapons, when we require a license to operate a car? A car is much more important to our everyday life and livelihood, while a gun is only good for one thing, killing poeple.

I think gun rights are fine, but I think there should be some required licensing and training.

Believe me, intro, if the government comes for you you're not going to be able to fight them off with handguns and hunting rifles.


intro 6 years ago

That's good that you fess up to being prejudiced. Hubpage bigots! Why on earth would someone be prejudiced against survivalists? They are people who prep for survival in emergencies or bad times. Really lame to be against someone because they are prudent and self-reliant. I feel sorry for you.


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William R. Wilson 6 years ago from Knoxville, TN

LOL intro. Sounds like you hate liberals a little.

Ralph, I agree with Intro that survivalists get a bad rap. But I will also admit to prejudice against the rest of your list.

Prejudice against lies and hate seems like a good thing to me.


intro 6 years ago

William, by focusing on survivalists I didn't mean that I let the other categories slide. I hope that you and Ralph can smile cheerfully and tell a woman "Too bad" if she is raped because you felt that people should not be allowed to carry handguns. As for the bizarre focus on bashing Fox News, actually many conservatives are not so dependent on TV as their counterparts. Independent thinking is a hallmark of conservatism.


intro 6 years ago

Wow, and just look at the extreme views this article attracted. MFB seems stirred to violent thoughts here, with heads rolling and shotgun ready. ColdWarBaby is thinking that the extinction of the human race might not be a bad thing. That would include the extinction of all races, all special interest groups, young, old, the whole shebang. Even Hitler probably didn't want to get rid of every single human. If anyone doesn't find that more disturbing than "Faux News" then I think he or she is beyond help.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

William and Intro: There are survivalists and survivalists. I'm willing to concede that most of them are harmless, if misguided.


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William R. Wilson 6 years ago from Knoxville, TN

"I hope that you and Ralph can smile cheerfully and tell a woman "Too bad" if she is raped because you felt that people should not be allowed to carry handguns."

I am not against handguns but I do believe they should be controlled. Gunowners are much more likely to kill themselves or someone close to them than they are to defend themselves. As for the woman defending herself from rape - most rapes are committed by acquaintances, not strangers. Kind of complicates the whole self defense angle. Not that I don't believe in self defense and awareness - but a big part of that is threat awareness. Guns are tactically useful only in a very limited range of situations.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

As I recall, the Uni-Bomber was a survivalist. The Militias say they are preparing for a fight to protect their rights against federal government forces.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Intro:"I hope that you and Ralph can smile cheerfully and tell a woman "Too bad" if she is raped because you felt that people should not be allowed to carry handguns."

This is a red herring. How many women do you know or have heard of who have avoided being raped by pulling a gun out of their purse? Guns are greatly over-rated for self-protection. And they increase the risk of burglary because the opportunity to steal a gun is attractive to many criminals.


intro 6 years ago

This is too good to pass up--you provide me with too much "ammo" with all those statements. Thanks! I think I'll make a hub rather than just a comment, to go more in depth on this topic.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Fine. I'll watch for it.


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H P Roychoudhury 6 years ago from Guwahati, India

Hi Ralph Deeds,

America is the only country so to say in the Earth is thought to be civilized, morally dignified and truly democratic in nature. But the way you described, the Racist, Racist Skin-head, the Black Panther Party- anti-white like residents has created a mayhem in the soil of US is something lies with lacking of humanity. Does it mean that a Country like America is not fit enough to teach their citizen with idealism of practical behavior. Where is the deficiency? I suppose it bears a challenge to the intellectuals of the country how to prevent its citizen from such kind of activity. True, there is unrest in the country due to economic crisis. But even then a citizen of a highest order of a developed country should not go astray. Thanks for sharing with the problems of humanity.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

H.P. Roychoudhury, thanks for your comment. Apparently the seeds of freedom planted by our Constitution sprout a certain number of strange and toxic fruits.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Intro, is this the kind of guy you say is protected by the Second Amendment. I call your attention to the last two paragraphs of the article below.

Doctor Indicted in Attack on Medical Board Chairman

By STEVE BARNES

Published: January 6, 2010

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — A doctor who had been repeatedly penalized by the Arkansas Medical Board was charged in federal court here on Wednesday with planting a bomb that critically injured the board chairman as he left his home for a meeting of the panel last February.

The indictment accused Dr. Randeep Singh Mann, 51, of London, Ark., of employing “a weapon of mass destruction” in the attack on Dr. Trent P. Pierce, a family practitioner, as Dr. Pierce approached his car in the driveway of his West Memphis, Ark., home to travel some 130 miles to a medical board meeting here on Feb. 4....

Law enforcement authorities have said that because of his contentious history with the board, Dr. Mann was identified as a suspect within hours of the bombing. In a search of his home in March, federal and state agents found more than 100 automatic weapons, ammunition, grenade launchers and projectiles.

Dr. Mann, a licensed firearms dealer, was charged with failing to register some of the arms and was ordered held without bail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/us/07arkansas.ht...


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Mortgagestar1 6 years ago from Weirton,West Virginia

Did you included Michele Obama's papers in college? Van Jones, Eric Holder, Kevin Jennings, Jeremiah Wright, The Black Panthers, Chicgo 7, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farkan, Many Rappers, Congressional Black Caucus,MoveOn.org

The daily Kos, the Huffington Post, CNBC, ect? The left has thier own picadillos. All hate and prejudice is wrong!

I recall something a Rabbi told me once. With a pointing finger,there are three pointing back from the very hand. Man I miss Chaplain Schartz!

Great post! Keep up the thought provocative Hubs Ralphy!


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

mortagestar, I make no pretense of impartiality. I'm not writing for the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal. And, as I noted, I am not the author of the material that is the basis for the Hub. The Hub is based on a recent issue a magazine published by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I summarized the main points of the article and added some photos. That said, most, but not all, of the hate groups in this country are right rather than left wing. Most of the individuals and groups you cited don't qualify as currently active hate groups or purveyors of racial or other hatreds.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 6 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

I'm all for the anti-tax people. I am utterly ashamed and disgusted that my tax dollars have been sent to Israel, and other parts of the middle east in order to continue with the Zionist/Hegelian Dialectical political machinations toward one world government.


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Leretseh 6 years ago

Where are your links Mr. Deeds? Are you cutting and pasting from another web site? If so, you MUST provide links to their material. I don't see any. Also, by what right do you have to use the pictures of these people? I believe the terms and conditions from hubpages states clearly that you must have their permission. Providing the images are true, how do you know these people haven't renounced hate? And if any one of them have, you then are misrepresenting them.

What I find so appalling about this hub, is the mis- characterization of white Christian America. The Southern Poverty Law center is a far left-wing de facto hate group against white Christian males. You have taken the tiniest and most insignificant portion of American white Christians and are implying this kind of hate is rampant, even pervasive in America. NONSENSE and DISGUSTING. White Christians are the most tolerant people on the face of this earth. There's no fact more demonstrable than that!


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

I identified the source of the material I used. I'm a contributor to the Southern Poverty Law Center, and I'm quite sure they are happy to have their report and organization publicized. If not they can request that the material be taken down.

You are a perfect example of the pervasiveness of this kind of hatred in America. Which one of the organizations mentioned by the SPLC do you support? Are you suggesting that the Westboro Baptist Church is tolerant? Pat Robertson tolerant? Need I go on? Much of the hatred and violence in America is emanating from extremist white Christianist evangelical leaders and organizations.


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Leretseh 6 years ago

Mr. Deeds, are you perhaps Jewish? Just curious. You can tell me it's none of my business if you wish, because it isn't. But, nevertheless, I am curious.


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William R. Wilson 6 years ago from Knoxville, TN

Ralph, I think I'd just stop engaging with this guy.


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Leretseh, why don't you read "Camp of the Saints" and then do a little research on the effect it has had on "Christian-White" society...it was a best-seller.

You deride others, but deny your own prilege, which you did not earn...

As for citing sources, I have done so with my articles....why don't you come my way and debate a bit...

I did leave you a note...and I see that you still have not responded.....

Don't let me read too much into this.....

Mr. Deeds, I'm glad that you are doing this... I am additionally pleased to see how you put names to racism....Tancredo alone...he and Tanton were thick as theives (it they are not still)...

Both are "Camp of the Saints" pushers...


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Check out Leretseh's page....no more hubs..... Where did they go??

Good riddance to bad rubbish...


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Leretseh 6 years ago

The Tracy McBride hub was pulled, so I pulled the rest. I can see that virtually all the hubs here are far left-wing, white Christian male bashers, hate mongering and/or trying to depict this group as the source of all evil. Where are the Crips and Bloods? Where is the Black Panthers? Where are the followers of Rabbi Meir Kahane? Where is the Latin Kings? All criminal and/or hate groups. You left wingers want to take the outer most, the very fringe of America’s white Christians who hate , probably numbering no more than a few thousand in all of America…and attempt to imply that the whole group is characterized by this hate. What baloney!


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

I like to follow the trail back a bit....

Who created the ghettos within which former slaves and their offspring were incarcerated....left to be forgotten...like Watts and Compton, from which these gangs emerged...

I want to know...since these people did not own planes...could not make guns, and could not import cocaine, heroin, crack, and the rest....where they got this stuff??

For people in poverty...where did the money come for the initial cash investments needed to get such things??

If one chooses to view the past 40 years of social history in the United States as if it just showed up one day...as if there was an even playing field through which peoples evolved your position works.....

But that is not the reality.

Come out to Los Angeles, where I live, and I can take you on a free tour...I know my city, I know my history....I don't think you do.

Christianity?? Do you mean what the slaves were taught on Sundays??? "Don't disobey your master or else you will be sent to hell"????

Read "My Folks Don't Want Me to Talk About Slavery"

Christians???

Read "Celie: a Slave"

These are hypocrites of the worst kind who masquarade to be otherwise....

This government, under the rule of Anglo-Americans, sponsors world wide terror...just the School of the Americas is one little piece....

Is this Christianity??

You are deluded.... Keep your hubs up... I want people to be directed to your page so we can all let you know how ridiculous your positions are..

Why don't you do a hub on the Christian white males who tore up Rosewood???

And that is just one story...

Come post on some of my pages please...


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

I will not say that the whole of those who choose to identify themselves as "white" are all the same...

But, the Detroit Area Study did find that over 90% of people who classified themselves as "white" expressed color-blind racism...check it out for yourself...you can read the transcripts..

Anyone who subscribes to the "white" identity, however, inherently has an unearned sense of entitlement, or self-interest, that benefits from racial inequality... Therefore, while not being harmful themselves, there is a potential that they can be triggered in a dangerous way.. Watch a few Sara Palin rallys from the last presidential election...you can find them youtube....


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Thanks, Mike. Good video. Teagaggers sharing their ignorance.


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Leretseh 6 years ago

Therefore, while not being harmful themselves, there is a potential that they can be triggered in a dangerous way.."

HOLY COW! Maybe we should put these people in oh, say concentration camps...and "teach" them the error of their ways, eh Mike.

I watched your video. Some stupid comments, but mostly a group of people who desire racial/group identity when selecting their political representatives. Not a big deal. Would you condemn this behavior from Hispanics who select only their own race to represent them? How about blacks?

How about the predominately Jewish communities in America that select only fellow Jews? Do you have a problem with that?

Mike, do you believe all Republicans are inherently evil people?


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William R. Wilson 6 years ago from Knoxville, TN

"HOLY COW! Maybe we should put these people in oh, say concentration camps...and "teach" them the error of their ways, eh Mike. "

I didn't see where Mike said this.

"Mike, do you believe all Republicans are inherently evil people?"

I didn't see where Mike said this either.

I do see a lot of hostility on your part though.


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Those are your words....

"Hispanics"

Come here to Los Angeles and call someone your Anglo-caste label...

Anglo because the elite came from England... "Hispanic" doesn't exist...one can't come from there...

Republicans....I was one...

All of my friends and family were/are (in that order) Republican.... I get to hear what they talk about..which is why I am the way I am...

I know people who would laugh about setting mine fields at the border for "illegals" to kill themselves on as they enter this country....

I remember David Duke running for office, and being somehow seen as a "reformed" man....

I see Dick Cheney....

I voted for proposition 209 and I supported, though I couldn't vote yet, for proposition 187...

I used to watch Rush Limbaugh every day after I got out of school way back when he had a primetime television show (clinton era)...

I do not hate Republicans, nor do I hate Democrats... but there are rats who control the party platforms....of both..

In the wake of the Rodney King hearings, when the White Officers who transferred their case to the white/police heavy Simi Valley (away from San Fernando, where I live...the beating took place just a short way from my home) a local Republican politician called for all "illegal aliens" (as if they aren't people) to be immediately rounded up and deported (as if that was the cause of the problem)....whereas a Democrat (and a woman if I recall) called for not only them to be deported, but also called for the citizenship of their children to be revoked and for them all to be deported.....(again, as if "they" were the problem here)...

And it became a media circus....I remember...I was there...I was the one of six "white" kids in my entire junior high...and I almost got into a lot of trouble at the hands of angry classmates.... I understand the anger...

And I learned the truth about who "hispanics" are, and I've learned who "Muslims" are, or rather, how these words are turned into concoctions and pressed onto groups of people simply because one feels he/she has the right to do so...

But there is no such right..

In the Ottoman Empire, arguably the greatest multi-ethnic, multi-religious society to have graced the Earth, during the times of the Tanzimat (look it up) Armenians finally were able to gain some kind of representation for themselves...before they were not at all considered in any representative way...they were rather ruled through a quasi-church official structure (under the Armenian Gregorian Patriarch who was a member of the Ottoman bureaucracy)...

It was a great time when they could finally vote someone into a legislative/representative body and gain a voice for themselves in high places.....that should be an outright right...

You sound like you would be nervous if you had a "hispanic" representing you....why? Would you?

If so, meaning that you would feel inclined to have someone with a similar background to you representing you, why should anyone else

Race was a construction of Western Europeans, for Western European hegemony...look to the American colonies...black and white were together as indentured servants...working together, recreating together, sexualizing with one another...there was no slavery.. no ownership... But laws were created in the late 1600's....divisions were created...

If a white indentured servant were caught fraternizing with a black indentured servant the "white" (a new classification...before people identified themselves by

where they came from or what they did) would get an extended work time (like an extended parole period) and the "black" would be enslaved...this is how it began..

Check it out for yourself and point out my errors...

I believe that any person who perpetuates division and fear is evil, or at least is using evil...

Concentration camps? No, I won't identify with the agressor....I look to build a political identity that pushes the plutocrats who parade as democrat or republicsn out of the way....

legally...through the vote...

The Black Panthers, and other groups only exist because there was someone that they had to protect themselves from...

Check this out...

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

Count up the hate groups, and let's see who has power...who is the dominat power...which groups have money, political connections.... Which groups like John Tanton...who is supported by the billions of Scaife-Mellon...

Look at my state of "liberal" California...and look at the White Supremecist movements here...just the ones that are recorded....

and we are looking at Al Qaida??

Let me know what you think...


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

In fact, I am still a registered Republican....maybe I need to go out and shake up my party....the new image of the GOP...thoughts?


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Leretseh 6 years ago

“Who created the ghettos within which former slaves and their offspring were incarcerated....left to be forgotten...like Watts and Compton, from which these gangs emerged…”

I know the history of LA. Watts, mike, prior to the1965 riot was no ghetto. You should know that. Most of the public housing there was rather new - about 10 years old. It was white males that took the initiative to build that new public housing. Blacks simply did NOT build there own homes in urban America. What were white males to do?

Saying blacks were “incarcerated” in Watts is simply foolishness. C’mon. Blacks came during the two Great Migration periods. Why to LA? Because white people were giving them jobs; backs did not create enough jobs within their own communities. What were white males to do about this? Or perhaps you believe that white males colluded all across America to prevent blacks from creating urban occupations? The fact is, that so many jobs were going the black migrant population - from the white community - that the evitable happened: a critical mass point in the early 60s. Too many blacks and not enough jobs… That was the problem in EVERY urban center in America where blacks clustered in large numbers. What were white people suppose to do back in the 60s? Today, of course, we can see that the Democratic Party’s idea of eradicating poverty for blacks has worked. However, prior to 1964, before forced integration and the Great Society programs, well, white males just didn’t hv a crystal ball to see 45 years into the future … so they could see all the success from gov’t intervention . Sham on them for not finding one of then crystal balls…. And what a lovely place Compton and Watts are today, since white people left (some would say driven out). Right?

Again mike, the inference in the above comment is not lost me. Stop trying to be cryptic. White Christian males are enemy. Come out and say it.

“I want to know...since these people did not own planes...could not make guns, and could not import cocaine, heroin, crack, and the rest....where they got this stuff??”

Ummm, where the $$$ come from? It’s called the welfare program mike. You should know that THAT was the source that black male traffickers wanted to tap. They knew once a month black females would get an AFDC check, courtesy of the federal gov’t - FREE MONEY. Without the welfare checks, the drug problem in black America could not exist in the urban black communities.

And who are the powers that be that mike is inferring supplied drugs to the black communities? Guess

“Anglo because the elite came from England... "Hispanic" doesn't exist...one can't come from there…”

Anglos came to America, but they certainly were NOT the elite. “Hispanic” is PC. What can I say. What do you call them? And where do “white” people come from? Seems you should view that also as a pejorative term. Yet I see umbrage... I wonder why?

“Check this out…”

Your source is Southern Poverty law Center? Are you joking?! The farthest left-wing org. out there. If you knew what I know about them, I can tell you that 80% or more of those numbers are fabricated. Try calling this group and getting specifics on those numbers. I wonder if they include the Jewish Defense League in those numbers? LOL

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91809&page=1

As everyone can see, Ralph Deeds decided not to include this org. in this hub. I wonder why?


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

"I know the history of LA. Watts, mike, prior to the1965 riot was no ghetto. You should know that. Most of the public housing there was rather new - about 10 years old. It was white males that took the initiative to build that new public housing. Blacks simply did NOT build there own homes in urban America. What were white males to do?"

Evidently you don't know it as much as you thought....

The African American population that would end up in that part of the city, by that time the older part of the city, being that the new white-only suburbs were being built (Lakewood, ect) after their homes near Lakewood were destroyed....to make more new developments for "white" people

(The Holy Land: A Suburban Memoir)..

If you know anything about Los Angeles, you know that it was built up first, and then people were marketed in...men who would become LAPD officers were deliberately recruited from the South....and Jim Crow reigned supreme... Could't build their own homes?? You are ridiculous.

But back to one of your commments:

"Saying blacks were “incarcerated” in Watts is simply foolishness. C’mon. Blacks came during the two Great Migration periods. Why to LA? Because white people were giving them jobs; backs did not create enough jobs within their own communities."

This is getting more ludicrous all the time...."great migrations"? Too much time on Wikipedia perhaps....

Yes...as White largely went off to war, African Americans were brought in to work in the factories, as Mexicans (Bracero Program) were brought in (but not paid until decades later) to work in the fields...

And they found themselves under strict panoptics scrutiny...

Do you know what panopticism means?

If one was in the "wrong" neighborhood, what would happen? But remember, the LAPD, among other "law enforcement" agencies at the time didn't spend their time scrutinizing their "acceptable" residents....

(The Fragmented Metropolis...again...this is the source that should be started from and then branched out)

No industry in the "black" areas eh??

Being that the recruited "blacks" were largely agricutural wworkers from the rural South, living in "separate but equal" accomodations...(yeah...right).....I don't know the point you are making.... (Why don't you tie in that "blacks" were also trying to escape the realization that there was largely no future in the South...lets remember Rosewood and the like...the Great Debaters...I wish you were "black" back then...I think you would quickly change your privileged tune)

But back to your wise words...using wise in the inverse connotation of course...

"Ummm, where the $$$ come from? It’s called the welfare program mike. You should know that THAT was the source that black male traffickers wanted to tap. They knew once a month black females would get an AFDC check, courtesy of the federal gov’t - FREE MONEY. Without the welfare checks, the drug problem in black America could not exist in the urban black communities."

No...you have it backwards again.

The "white" people bought their guns with free money...on land that they largely did not have to pay for...using cheap.free labor...that is the welfare system..the government sponsored "hand out" system..

But with that said....you're saying that African Americans...who did not own ships or planes...who did not have connections in Central and South America, Afghanistan, or anywhere else used their welfare money to finance a global drug trade??

Really? How did Princeton University and Yale become campuses? What kind of money financed their construction and the hiring of their first professors?

Did you know that some of the first instances of cocaine use in the African American community was on the docks on the Gulf Coast?? White dockowners would put cocaine in the food of their "Black" workers in order to get them to work harder....and they never knew they were being drugged....think of the addiction that was created...think of the babies born to addicts that didn't even know what was going on....it's almost like the smallpox blankets handed out to native americans again...accept that this infection won't kill outright, and will lead to tremendous profit..

Yes.... what were you saying about those "blacks" again???

How sad.

Show me the welfare payments and how this money came up....cite a source...

This is getting embarrassing...

But now back to your words...

"Anglos came to America, but they certainly were NOT the elite. “Hispanic” is PC. What can I say. What do you call them? And where do “white” people come from? Seems you should view that also as a pejorative term. Yet I see umbrage... I wonder why?"

While the majority of "Anglos" who came to the "new world" were not elites, they were brought out largely as indentured servants by the elites to whom the land had been granted....

If you read what I wrote in my previous listing you will find that I addressed the fact that the original working/laboring class of "whites" were not elite, but were not racist...that laws had to be created by the elites (who owned the lands) to divide them up... This information is not "cutting edge" research...you are just largely uninformed...either because you like it that way or you just haven't done real research before....and that is something you have to figure out for yourself...

But back to your words for one more wonderful exerpt:

"Your source is Southern Poverty law Center? Are you joking?! The farthest left-wing org. out there. If you knew what I know about them, I can tell you that 80% or more of those numbers are fabricated. Try calling this group and getting specifics on those numbers. I wonder if they include the Jewish Defense League in those numbers? "

The Southern Poverty Law Center acquired their information directly from the FBI.. I don't think there is any issue of credibility here...accept when reading your words...

I did not say that all the groups were white supremecists...again you are not reading my words...too impulsive you are...

But look at the overwhelming majority of White supremacists movements compared to the others...and then realize that the grand daddy of them all is still there...the KKK....there would be no black panthers....no anti-defamation league...all these things would have never existed if there had not been something to respond to....

Hate begets hate....that is the issue....

You have evidently never been in a place to gain real perspective....for your claims to know my city, you have shown ignorance....You laugh...but the only one really entitled to laughter is me...for you appear foolish...but I am not laughing for I get no pleasure in responding to the likes of you...

It is sadness and pain actually...that time has to be spent to counter the damage that people like you love to incur...

It is the pain knowing that people who cross your path on a daily basis are being judged in your minescule capacity...and I wonder how you treat those whose skins you don't like when you see someone in need....

But, its people like you who enable me to grow, and who motivate me to continue researching..finding truth, and fighting on...because if sorry cases like yourself are running around they need a good counter.....and here I am.

I've given you two excellent sources, both written by "white men"....give them a read... You'll have to take your blinders off first...


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

The Fragmented Metropolis, from page 198, the end of the second to last paragraph and moving forward...

"...the white majority so subordinated and segregated colored minorities-though admittedly, not each group the same way or to the same degree-that they were completely frustrated in this modest aspiration (finding a meaningful place to live and work in Los Angeles)."

Their frustration resulted inpart from residential segretion too (aside from economic segregation)...Mexicans, American Negroes, Japanese, and less so the southeastern Europeans rented quarters in the deteriorating downtown district and outlying industrial sections. Their, like immigrants in other American cities, they congregated in ethnic ghettos.

'I realize now," one Oriental lamented after a fruitless hunt for a single family house,'that Americans do not want to live close to us even though they want us to become Americans.'" (exerpts from page 200)

But this is the kicker:

"Even where racial covenants had never been imposed or had already expired, nonwhites often encountered the resistance of nearby property holders, "Negroes," a Santa Monica newspaper informed of a proposed development for colored people warned, "We don't want you here; now and forever thisis to be a white man's town." (200)

Ya can't get any clearer than that...

Stop wasting your time and life...and start filling your head with real knowledge....

Otherwise, you are only cheating yourself...


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

You still haven't approved my fan mail...I am disappointed.


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

"accept"....switch "except"


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Sock it to him, Mike. Thanks! But I'm not sure whether it's worth wasting your time on this guy. I think he's trying to make the next cover of the Southern Poverty Law Center magazine.


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

As long as he's willing to publicly make a fool of himself I'm willing to encourage him.....I just hope your page stays up so, in a few years perhaps, he can look back on how nonsensical his "arguments" were.....

No matter, this all helps me better develop my writing and better communicate my ideas......so its a win/wim for me...

I have an uncle who is just like this guy....and as dense as a granite block.....I don't mind having "projects" to work on....I guess I'm working to become a sculptor of stone-headed people...


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Leretseh 6 years ago

Your argumentation style, mike, you’re all over the board; too desultory to keep up with. You tell me about the Ottomans, then were in Lakewood, CA, then you’re telling me about what some white guys put into the sandwiches of some black guys. Superfluous.

My arguments are on a macro level. You keep wanting to push the discussion to a micro level and tell me about this and that instance of hate (always delivered by a white guy). I told you, in as simply layman’s terms as possible, that integration, IMO, does not work. You somehow equate this to hate. Go figure… Integration was created in 1964. What existed before 1964 is a non-integrated political arena and a non integrated economic arena, run entirely by ONE male group: white Christian males. Now you can (and I know you will) conjure up all types of odiousness regarding this plain truth. However, it doesn’t CHANGE the fact. You also cannot change the fact that there were no multi-racial and integrated political systems that existed in 1964 anywhere on planted earth. Indeed, this is a fact that has existed throughout human history. If you want to describe the history of the human race prior to 1964 as ugly, intolerant, Nazi-like, whatever, for not recognizing the necessity to seek out different races so as to diversify and multiculturalize, ok. Be my guest. The historical facts tho are still the same. Ergo, the integration system created in 1964 is an experiment.

What are the consequences of this experiment on a macro level? I don’t want to address the consequences of this experiment, but I do point out the overall statistics concerning the black race, the group that was the impetus for the societal anomaly of forced integration, show across the board failure e.g high school drop out rates, crime rates, incarceration rates, family breakdown, etc. I didn’t make these statistics up. They’re there … and represent undeniable failure. It does NOT matter what incidences of hate the black man faced since 1964 in his efforts to integrate (or any other racial group). What matters is that integration does appear to have failed. Blame the white man, blame the Santa Ana winds, but the statistics are still there and are compelling. This isn’t about racial superiority, elitism, hate, love or pity. It’s about failure of an experiment.

And while I don’t mind friendly barbs, you want to insult. I don’t put up with that kind of bombastic style of discussion. You need much work on your argumentation style. You don’t persuade more than you try to bully people to your corner. Among educated people, this style won’t fly. In the end you wind up with no audience - expect the Ralph Deeds of the world who are only looking for those certain words that indicate you hate right people.

Mike, you’ve defined your enemy: white (there’s that pejorative term again), Christian males. Because of that you hv found a nice home here on the hub pages … with lots of kindred soles to keep you company. GL to you


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

No...you define my opponent....you are the opponent and those who view the world the way you do.

Like my uncle who keeps sending the emails...similar minds to yours..

Macro??

Lakewood is micro...

You spoke of the macro "the great migrations" I gave you specifics...far more than anything you have brought forward..

I don't simply spew rhetoric, I cite my sources...

You question me...you can...

But you haven't questioned a single source...which is where I draw my strength and crediblity...

Bully??

Hardly...opening minds does take work though...having to work against an individual's or group's conditioned cognitive dissonance...and force them to take a look in the mirror....it does take work.

I see it more like being a teacher or tutor...which is what I do for a living..

The bully follows a style more similar to your own.. hating for no reason...spewing nonsense that only works delude your own mind, and those too stubborn/lazy/comfortable to push on...to continue the overall learning experience...challenging your own conceptions....

That is what I have done and continue to do....it is difficult at times, and takes a lot of work, but it is ultimately worth it...trust me..

I express myself the way I do because I deal with the likes of you all the time....It is a style that works....

Integration has not failed, but the dominant population has largely failed to feel comfortable...they call it "white flight" for a reason....

My neighborhood, the same that my family has resided in for over 40 years, used to be entirely "white"....but most moved off...

I'm glad that my family did not.....I would much rather live around a multitude of different peoples than only one type, or one overall type (even though "white" is an illusion)....

I love diversity....evidently you do not....

It is that simple..... And that is too bad for you...

Thank you again for demonstrating to us all how a "great" mind truly operates...and I look forward to reading your new articles....I am ready and waiting...


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

All white basketball hate group?

An all-white basketball league was proposed earlier in the week by a group calling itself the All-American Basketball Alliance. The league's commissioner, Don "Moose" Lewis, said that in "the culture today" you have to "worry about a player flipping you off or attacking you in the stands or grabbing their crotch." Therefore, he said, he wanted to create a league that focuses on "fundamental basketball" instead of "street-ball" played by "people of color."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/23/all-white...


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mikelong 6 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Of course...that makes perfect sense...


just readin 6 years ago

This was an interesting read; especially the comments between Mike and Leretseh. Only thing I want to say...Mike, you are kind of a bully....


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Well, I don't agree that Mike's a bully. If you had read Leretseh's hubs you would see that he's a very nasty white supremicist, if not worse. Check him out on the internet. As Mike did, I got very angry when I read the garbage Leretseh was putting up on HubPages, and I probably would have been an even bigger "bully" than Mike if he hadn't picked up the ball and ran with it. How do you feel about the proposed all white professional basketball league? I would have to be physically restrained if I were in the same room with Don "Moose" lewis the white racist pig who calls himself "Commissioner." Leretseh is cut out of the same cloth.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Just ran across this on the Internet:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33785

Wikipedia verifies the account from LittleGreenFootballs.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Epstein


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Another article on Marcus Epstein who works for Buchanan and Tancredo

http://washingtonindependent.com/45075/tom-tancred...


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

WICHITA, Kan. — Scott Roeder, the man charged with murder in the shooting of George R. Tiller, one of the few doctors in the country to perform late-term abortions, took the witness stand in his own defense on Thursday, and said that, yes, he did it.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Jury Reaches Guilty Verdict in Murder of Abortion Doctor

It took jurors 37 minutes on Friday to convict Scott Roeder,

an abortion opponent, of first-degree murder in the death of

George R. Tiller, one of the few doctors in the country to

perform late-term abortions.


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Mortgagestar1 6 years ago from Weirton,West Virginia

In our military we have " Cafetaria " hate group lists.

The Fort Hood masacre could have been prevented. The politically correctness dominates, thus people like these are all through teh armed forces. Look at the official government report on the Fort Hood incident. Not one word used as " terror ' " Islamic " , " extrememist ".

I recall members from " The Nation Of Islam " stationed at Kaiserslautern Army Facility in Germany. They were VERY vocal of thier hatred towards Jews and others. I approached the military chain of command over this. I was told point blank, " Keep your rank and keep quiet ". That was in the mid 1990's.

I see hatred spewed from CNBC as well against people they disagree with. I was appalled and angered when a segment on MSNBC were mocking Sara Palin's Down Syndrome baby. No class and no soul! I guess that's why those two channels ratings are in the basement!

The Hate Laws are also Cafeteria as pick N choose. Any violent crime is evil and based at least in part of hatred. There are military people hurt and killed by bigotry in America from the far left. Seattle, San Francisco, and Little Rock, we have recently seen innocent members of the military attacked from just being in uniform.

Interesting where so much hate started at the Hait district in the late 60's. Like how much they hated Wall Street and now many of these former anti establishmentalist are now on Wall Street!


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Thanks for your perceptive comment. I'm way past the point about worrying about being PC. When I hear remarks of the type you recounted, I don't ignore them. I take them head on. As a result, a number of acquaintances of mine keep their hate speech to themselves when they are around me.


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Mortgagestar1 6 years ago from Weirton,West Virginia

Ralph - I agree with you 100%. We have hate group members in the military. I occasionally debate them. Its like talking to a doorknob. My concern is the Nation of Islam and The Jewish DFefense League Founded by Meir Kahane, the FBI has listed the JDL as a domestic terrorist organization in the USA. These groups as well as the Arian Nation are active in the D.O.D. and growing.

We also have Black Panthers in the armed services. The inner city street gangas have members joining the Marines & Army to learn urban warfare then intentionally get thrown out of the military. They then teach thier fellow gang members urban tactics. City police are facing this more and more often.

It is an " unwritten " practice NOT to make these members known to the higher chain of command as I found out first hand. The political correct culture has long take over the Department Of Defense. I personally believe we are apst the point of no return. The pendulum has swung far left.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Mortagestar1, thanks for your comment. I shy away of extremists of all types and stripes.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

There are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. You do a poor job of linking Limbaugh, Beck, and Fox News as part of the list of whackos in your article. The truth is that the political left is the real home of extremism on almost every social issue in America. The true hatred spews from the leftist groups, such as NAACP, NOW, radical gay movement, Environmentalists, Unions, and the list goes on and on. They always play the race card, try to pit economic and other groups angainst each other, and show their own bias and prejudices in the process.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

The NAACP is not an extremist group. Neither is NOW. I'm not sure what the "radical gay movement" is. Unions and most environmentalist groups are not generally considered extremist organizations. I will grant you that Beck and Hannity and O'Reilly shouldn't be grouped in with the American Nazi party and the KKK. Howeve, Beck and Hannity are encouraging many of the nutball anti-government, anti-tax, anti-gay organizations.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

THe fact that you dont recognize what the NAACP or what the NOW gang has become as extremist, far-left, out of touch, political entities explains much about your indoctrination into liberalism. ANy sane American citizen should be questioning our out-of-control government and questioning and criticizing their extreme actions. You seem to think just because ideas come out of Washington, that we must swallow their poison without scrutiny. THe system has been corrupted and especially the democrat party has been over run by extemists pushing a hard-left socialist agenda.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

I suppose you gave Obama a pass on all of the radical friends such as his whacko reverend Wright and pal Bill Ayers. THere are others with questionable backgrounds and they are running are government right now. Any problems??? or is it what your looking for in a political leader.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

The real hatred resides in the liberal arena of the radical gay movement who slander and slur decent people for attempting to protect the definition of marriage and family values. The hatred of abortion-rights groups who fight any attempt to save unborn lives and block any effort to prevent the many abortions that happen in our country every day. The hatred of environmentalist groups that attack businesses and criminally damage their properties to further their extremist agenda. THe hatred of many anti-=Christian groups who slander and mud sling the Christian religion to further their agenda of a secular society. The hatred of NAACP leaders who manipulate corporations with threats of discrimination suits to fill their coffers for special interests. I suppose you overlook this activity as it fits your political beliefs.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Your're right the GOP and the Tea Partiers are out of control. The GOP has become the "Party of NO!."

We are far apart. I see no point in prolonging this discussion. Thanks for your comment.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Ralph, you have to confront your opponents in the ideas of political debate. YOu cant just get pats on the back from liberal cheerleaders to truly examine the validity of your arguement. If you look closely at the liberal extremist groups that run the democratic party, you find more hatred and bias than anywhere else on the political spectrum.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

I don't have to do anything of the kind unless I feel like it. My impression that discussing anything with you is a waste of my time and yours. You're entitled to your opinion. Why do you think the NAACP is a hate group? That is completely ridiculous. Who do you think argued the Brown v Topeka Board of Education desision before the U.S. Supreme Court which declared the separate but equal doctrine unconstitutional? Perhaps you don't agree with that decision. The entire thrust of the NAACP's activities is peaceful pursuit of minority rights in the courts.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

You dont see the NAACP as hate group because you dont want to listen to what they say. YOu only want to believe that they are truly helping minorities. They turned into a political animal years ago and only spread a message of divisiveness to manipulate their position in the political discussion. They dont have the black race's best interest at heart, and only want to encourage friction among the different races to keep their business thriving. The problem with liberals is they use their emotions and forget to exercise their intellect in examining the behavior of these groups.


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Tadeusz598 6 years ago from Florianopolis/ London/ Aberdeen

The idea of a "liberal extremist" group sounds like a contradidiction in terms to me. "Liberal" (with a small "L" means, accepting or tolerant of others, so long as they don't impose themselves on you.

I wish Americanss wouldn't use "liberal" as a substitute for "socialist" or "left wing".

Are Americans doing this deliberately, so that they can attack both true "liberals" and left-wingers simultaneously? I suspect they are- it's a rehetorical slight of hand: very annoying.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

You're right. Americans have misappropriated the word, "liberal." Instead some say "progressive."


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Liberals, under the guise of "helping others" is exactly the problem with America. Special interest groups and willing politicians who are greedy for power, have hijacked a noble cause and turned it into a disaster. Those who still believe the democratic party are looking out for the little guy have been duped.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Deficits have been much higher under Reagan, Bush I, Bush II than under Democrats. Clinton was the first president in many years to balance the budget. The Republicans have cut taxes but never got around to cutting programs, especially military expenditures.


A. Peabody 6 years ago

First, I'm African American. Just checking out the hub sites here...Look for by hubs on 'A.Peabody." I ain't no black liberal:-)

Second, Ralph,your attempt to associate Limbaugh and Beck with far right extremist groups is complete foolishness. In fact, this whole hub here is for left wing loonies. You got to get real man! I like a fair debate, Ralph, You just seems to me to be someone who don't play fair.

Third, Ralph, I didn’t find any Leretseh’s articles here. I’ve read his responses here on your site and I don’t see one thing that even suggests he’s a white supremacist; or a racist. I did though do an internet search - as just suggested - and found this on “race.”

“Race: It is not an influencing or determining element or factor in one’s character. It does not diminish or elevate a person, or affect one’s intellectual capacity. Nor does race render one inferior or superior. However, race has been the basis for the creation of all known societies in history prior to 1964; and it is also the basis of the DMG Theorem.”

PR. Stephen Leretseh

I don’t see anything in there that rises to the level of hate, intolerance, white supremacy or racism. I also find his DMG Theorem interesting.

I do see a person who is definitely questioning the legitimacy and viability of forced integration. He is 100% right saying it’s an experiment - isn’t he? He seems to believe, IMO, the “experiment” has failed. And you equate that position with white supremacy? C'mon

Let's see a fair and open debate here. I say "Bring it on"


A. Peabody 6 years ago

I also don't agree with braudboy that the NAACP is a hate group. Not even close. However, they do seem to have an unmistakable selective agenda when it comes to the racial group they choose to represent.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Leretseh is a nut case. I think HubPages may have deleted one of his lunatic racist hubs, and he took the other three down himself. I guarantee that if you had read them you would have agreed that he was a mega-lunatic racist.

Just curious do you think the voter's rights act is an experiment. Would you support the return of the "literacy tests" that were used to exclude black voters from the polls in the south? (This was proposed by none other than Senator Tancredo at the recent Tea Party Convention in Philadelphia.) Would you support the right of homeowners and real estate agents to refuse to show or sell houses to black people looking for a home in a suburban neighborhood where the schools are better? Would you support Detroit Edison's use of written tests to exclude minorities from common laborer jobs? Would you like to see the country return to the pre-Civil Rights Act days where minorities were excluded from virtually all white collar jobs in major corporations? I doubt very seriously that you would. I've been around a bit longer than you, and I'm intimately familiar with the conditions before and after what you call an "experiment in forced integration."

There were exactly two African-Americans in my freshman class in college and one was a star football player. There was a marked change starting in the late 1960s, and now minorities are represented in significant numbers in most universities.

Perhaps it's a bit of a stretch to lump Limbaugh and Hannity in with the hate groups. Not so much so with Glenn Beck who has promoted the Birthers on his show as well as other far right positions.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds...you are out there man. YOu are buying into the liberal game of playing the race card when you cant compete in the arena of ideas. There is no racism in the ideas of Limbaugh, or even Beck. When you talk about test to help qualify people for jobs, this is to find the most qualified employee. Any attempt to redefine it as racism is plain nonsense. And, our country most certainly should have some sort of literacy guidelines for voters.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

I take it back. It's not a stretch to lump Limbaugh in with the racist hate groups.

Limbaugh has a history of racist remarks on his show. Why do you think he was turned down when he tried to buy an NFL football team? It was all over the newspapers. You must have quite limited sources of information.

Limbaugh Defenders Ignoring Long Record of Racist Remarks

10/16/09

In the wake of Rush Limbaugh being booted from a group of investors bidding to buy the St. Louis Rams football team, a minor media tempest has been stirred by conservative commentators who charge that Limbaugh has been falsely accused of making racist remarks.

Central to their charge are two quotes allegedly made by Limbaugh--in which the radio host supposedly praised slavery and Martin Luther King assassin James Earl Ray--that cannot be documented and may be bogus. Many of the commentators claim that the case against Limbaugh is based on little more than the two dubious quotes.

For instance, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly (10/15/09) claimed that besides one well-documented racist remark Limbaugh made in the 1970s, the case that Limbaugh says racist things is non-existent: "The reason that Limbaugh is not going to be able to buy into the NFL is because a bunch of made-up stuff became legend. And he got hammered." O'Reilly added: "So what we have here are accusations without merit. But in our hypermedia age, that's enough to paint someone as a racist."

Limbaugh defenders, however, have to ignore many well-documented and easily checkable racist and race-baiting remarks made by the talkshow host over a long period of time.

**Arguing during the 2008 campaign that no one is permitted to criticize Barack Obama: "You can't criticize the little black man-child. You just can't do it, 'cause it's just not right. It's not fair. He's such a victim." (Radio, 8/20/08; audio available at Media Matters, 8/20/08)

Can A Man Who Has A Problem With People Of Color Be A Color Commentator On 'Monday Night Football'?

by Jeff Cohen and Steve Rendall

Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh may be returning to television. He recently auditioned for a job as color commentator on ABC-TV's "Monday Night Football." The tryout followed weeks of self-promotion by the self-styled "truth detector" to the millions who listen daily to his syndicated radio show on about 600 stations.

Limbaugh's audition is stirring controversy. Sports columnist Thomas Boswell quipped that if Limbaugh joins "Monday Night Football," then baseball's game of the week broadcasters might "team up with John Rocker." Veteran sportswriter Michael Wilbon, who is black, indicated a boycott might result: "If Rush Limbaugh is put in that booth, I will NOT listen to the broadcast," he wrote in a Washington Post Internet chat session. "His views on people like me are well documented. . . . There are tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, who feel the same way I do."

If ABC-TV hires Limbaugh, it's not clear a boycott would materialize. What is clear is that his expressed views on racial matters--from the spiteful to the sophomoric--would make him an odd color commentator. Indeed, CBS Sports dismissed Jimmy "the Greek" Snyder for ignorant racial remarks less derisive than some of Limbaugh's.

A decade ago, after becoming nationally syndicated, Limbaugh mused on the air: "Have you ever noticed how all newspaper composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?" In 1992, on his now-defunct TV show, Limbaugh expressed his ire when director Spike Lee urged that black schoolchildren be given time off from school to see his film "Malcolm X": "Spike, if you're going to do that, let's complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater, and then blow it up on their way out."

In a similar vein, here is Limbaugh's mocking take on the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People, a group with a 90-year commitment to nonviolence: "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

When Carol Moseley-Braun (D-Ill.) was in the U.S. Senate--the first black woman ever elected to that body--Limbaugh would play the "Movin' On Up" theme song from TV's "Jeffersons" when he mentioned her. Limbaugh sometimes still uses mock dialect--substituting "ax" for "ask"--when discussing black leaders.

Such quotes and antics--many compiled by Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting, or FAIR, for our 1995 book--offer a whiff of Limbaugh's racial sensibility. So does his claim that racism in the United States "is fueled primarily by the rantings and ravings" of people like Jesse Jackson. Or his ugly reference two years ago to the father of Madonna's first child, a Latino, as "a gang-member type guy"--although he had no gang background.

In 1994, Limbaugh mocked St. Louis for building a rail line to East St. Louis "where nobody goes." East St. Louis is home to roughly 40,000 residents, 98% of whom are African Americans. One of those 40,000 "nobodies" is NFL linebacker Bryan Cox.

Once, in response to a caller arguing that black people need to be heard, Limbaugh responded: "They are 12% of the population. Who the hell cares?" That's not an unusual response for a talk radio host playing to an audience of "angry white males." It may not play so well among National Football League players, 70% of whom are African American.

Compared to some talk radio hosts, racism is not central to Rush Limbaugh's shtick. There has been, however, a pattern of commentary indicating his willingness to exploit prejudice against blacks to further his on-air arguments.

ABC-TV has the right to hire Limbaugh, even at the risk of alienating members of its audience. ("Monday Night Football" is the second-most watched TV show in black households.) Thrust into the world of pro football where Limbaugh himself would be something of a racial minority, is it possible that he'd rise above his history of racial bigotry and insensitivity? Not likely.

When all is said and done, the athletes are the key players on "Monday Night Football." It would be great to know how they'd feel about a color man who seems to have trouble with people of color.

Jeff Cohen and Steve Rendall Are Staffers at the Media-watch Group Fair and Co-authors of "The Way Things Aren't: Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error" (The New Press, 1995)


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

You no nothing of Limbaugh, as evidenced by your ridiculous remarks. YOu depend on a bias media to give you an opinion of Limbaugh. Limbaugh is very outspoken against the mainstream media and even touts his success as being equal time for the nonsense being spouted by our media. THey are out to get him and distort his words and take them out of context. Limbaugh is not racist, but rather believes that everyone is on an equal basis. He speaks out against the NAACP and the democratic party for trying to keep racism alive as a political tool. If you anything about Limabaugh, you would know that his right-hand man and screen caller is a black man. Limbaugh is targeted by the real race-baiters in this country because he exposes them as frauds.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

I do to "no" a lot about Limpbaugh. He is a racist propaganda pig:

http://hubpages.com/politics/A_Big_Fat_Mistake_by_...

And you are a dolt like most of his fans.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds-Limbaugh does a similar tactic that I use on you. Push your buttons and show your true character. If you would like to see some propaganda, tune in to MSNBC or just listen to any member of the Obama administation.


A. Peabody 6 years ago

First, with regard to that Leretseh dude, again, just couldn’t find nothing that I equate to racism or hate. I think his blogs are abandoned so I didn’t leave him a comment. I do dis-agree with him on many points. But the dudes got a right to think man. He don’t like integration, well that’s the way he rolls. Good many blacks don’t care for it either.

Regard to Limbaugh, Beck and company, well they wouldn’t be where they are if they were as you describe. Just seems you got a nasty name for anyone who don’t think just like you. I can hardly wait to see what name you got waiting for me Ralph.

As for civil rights, voting, housing integration, well rules come and go. What’s right today can be wrong tomorrow. Prior to 1964 white guys didn’t bother black folks in our communities. We could’ve fixed our own problems without white help. Integration we were told was the reason we didn’t have this and that, that that problem exists and so on. All I do know is that every darn problem black folks were complaining about in the 50s and early 60s, and liberals said they were gonna fix with integration, is still here today, aint it? When you say something gonna get better and it don’t you lose your credibility.

Also, what makes you, a white dude, think you can be an advocate for us black folks? You live in a black community? I doubt it.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Mr. Peabody,

Leretseh does have a right to think and say whatever he wants. He is an undeclared Nazi in my opinion.

Sorry, Pal, you don't know your history. Tune in to NPR and listen to the history of the civil rights revolution. There are still plenty of unsolved problems today, but there has been much progress. When I went to work for GM in 1960 there were exactly zero black salaried employees, not even a secretary despite "The Corporation's longstanding policy of non-discrimination in employment." The company did have such a policy which had been adopted and put in writing to be dusted off on occasion, but the PRACTICE was "blacks need not apply here." All the black employees were janitors and non-skilled assembly plant workers--no toolmakers, electricians, etc. Now there are plenty of black secretaries, accountants, engineers, designers, plant managers as well as several vice presidents.

I don't consider myself "an advocate for you black folks." Most of them are capable of speaking up for themselves. The civil rights revolution was led by Martin Luther King, A. Philip Randolph and Bayard Rustin, but it took a few white folks in the Congress and White House, like JFK and LBJ to get the laws passed. And Malcolm X contributed as well by preaching self-reliance and hard work. He grew up not far from where I live. His contribution to progress for blacks has been underestimated. Before King and company there was Paul Robeson who was certainly capable of speaking forcefully for equal rights, and he did so quite eloquently.

Thanks for you comments. BTW, Limbaugh is a white racist pig if I ever saw one. Do a little research and you'll find that what I say is true.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds...it is you who spout the hatred. YOu are an ignorant, liberal who is sold out for the cause and have lost sight of what the cause even stands for anymore. The civil rights movement is nothing more than a political tool of the left and has no meaning anymore. THey are stirring up any racial hatred they can to further a political cause for democratic-party power. Your kind are useless to any meaninful debate. However, I still enjoy exposing your idiocy to anyone tuning in.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

And you are an ignorant dolt!


A. Peabody 6 years ago

Curious, Ralph, what do you think of Walter Williams? I believe he hosted Limbaugh’s program a few times.

Here’s the thing… Human beings crave structure, from a society down to a family unit. Without structure you got chaos and anarchy. It’s whether integration can accomplish the structure humans need to function. And in order to conclude success of integration you got to look at the WHOLE picture. You point to blacks being in management positions at GM, as if now my people are finally THERE - we reached our desired position and status in America. Really? Well, I live in Gary Ind. and I can tell you that this place is much worse today than it was back in the 50s when my family first moved here (I'm the youngest of six and the only one who's stuck around here). There are majority blacks on the police force, city council and we have a black mayor (starting with Hatcher in the early 70s). Yet the city is much worse today than in the 50s, particularly with crime and family breakdown. One of the things my dad points out to me about pre and post integration is the attitude the young have toward elders. In the 50s elders got respect. Today, them kids rule the street and adults are down right scared of them. I’m 45 and I don’t dare tell a 16-year old black kid anything. Yeah, ya see, I know my place. Because of this loss of status (ironic how you claim we got “new” status yet among our own people, particularly among young males, we know all too well it ain’t there) that’s why I believe wealthy blacks move out of their communities and into white communities.

Also, look at Detroit. African Americans been running that city since the 70s. I hear - from my aunt who lives there- this year the state of Michigan probably going to be seizing the WHOLE city. I think we got way too dependent on government. Liberals made things sound way too good … and we fell for it, and now we trapped in these big cities. We got almost no black farmers left. You gonna come and feed us when we run out of food? Cuz the government surely gonna run out of money at some point. We need new ideas not the same old thing. You can call people all the nasty names you want Ralph who say LBJ’s Great Society was a myth and don’t work, but it sort of like yelling at an avalanche, aint it?


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

In some ways Detroit was better off in the 1950s and 1960s before we sacrificed our auto industry on the altar of free trade. It's sure in sad shape now. Nevertheless, I don't think many people would want to turn the clock back to job discrimination against minorities and women, housing discrimination, and discrimination in university admissions.

We've made some progress but the road is a long one.

I don't watch Limbaugh often, and I don't recall catching Walter Williams. I'll watch for him.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Detroit committed suicide when it caved in to every union demand over the past 40 years. The auto industry in America cannot compete worldwide when it pays the outrageous salaries of union labor, not to mention the cadillac health-care plans demanded by the corrupt unions.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Sorry, BB, you don't know what you're talking about and you're not susceptible to education.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

The Oath Keepers, Another Right Wing Extremist Group

Last night, Bill O'Reilly had Stewart Rhodes, founder of the right-wing extremist group "The Oath Keepers," on his show. Things got a little tense when Rhodes described the group's belief that members of the military need not follow orders they believe to be unconstitutional.

"That's a pretty extreme position," said O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had had Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center on the show the night before. Potok slammed Oath Keepers, which he said is primarily driven by the fear that the government is going to impose martial law and turn American cities into concentration camps.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Frank Rich in the NYTimes 2-28-10 on the IRS attack:

Stack was a lone madman, and it would be both glib and inaccurate to call him a card-carrying Tea Partier or a “Tea Party terrorist.” But he did leave behind a manifesto whose frothing anti-government, anti-tax rage overlaps with some of those marching under the Tea Party banner. That rant inspired like-minded Americans to create instant Facebook shrines to his martyrdom. Soon enough, some cowed politicians, including the newly minted Tea Party hero Scott Brown, were publicly empathizing with Stack’s credo — rather than risk crossing the most unforgiving brigade in their base.

Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa, even rationalized Stack’s crime. “It’s sad the incident in Texas happened,” he said, “but by the same token, it’s an agency that is unnecessary. And when the day comes when that is over and we abolish the I.R.S., it’s going to be a happy day for America.” No one in King’s caucus condemned these remarks. Then again, what King euphemized as “the incident” took out just 1 of the 200 workers in the Austin building: Vernon Hunter, a 68-year-old Vietnam veteran nearing his I.R.S. retirement. Had Stack the devastating weaponry and timing to match the death toll of 168 inflicted by Timothy McVeigh on a federal building in Oklahoma in 1995, maybe a few of the congressman’s peers would have cried foul.

It is not glib or inaccurate to invoke Oklahoma City in this context, because the acrid stench of 1995 is back in the air. Two days before Stack’s suicide mission, The Times published David Barstow’s chilling, months-long investigation of the Tea Party movement. Anyone who was cognizant during the McVeigh firestorm would recognize the old warning signs re-emerging from the mists of history. The Patriot movement. “The New World Order,” with its shadowy conspiracies hatched by the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. Sandpoint, Idaho. White supremacists. Militias.

Barstow confirmed what the Southern Poverty Law Center had

found in its report last year: the unhinged and sometimes armed anti-government right that was thought to have vaporized after its Oklahoma apotheosis is making a comeback. And now it is finding common cause with some elements of the diverse, far-flung and still inchoate Tea Party movement. All it takes is a few self-styled “patriots” to sow havoc.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

You are right that a good cause can be highjacked by extremists. A good example would be the how leftists and socialists highjacked the civil rights movement and totally took over the power of the Democratic Party. Now, this political party is so polluted with these lunatics that it is making policy base on the insanity that now controls it.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

That's an uninformed ridiculous comment as most of yours are.


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SPLC report says Beck, Bachman, Palin and Dobbs fuel anti-government extremism.

Anti-government sentiments in the U.S. have reached levels so high they could result in another attack like the Oklahoma City bombing, according to a report released Tuesday by an organization that tracks right-wing extremists – and the authors of the report place part of the blame on Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, Rep. Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin.

A host of recent attacks on law enforcement, plots against President Obama, and a shooting at Washington, D.C.'s Holocaust museum are "signs of the times," said Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit group that monitors militias, white supremacists, and other extremist activity. Potok made his comments during a teleconference with reporters to promote the SPLC's latest annual report on hate-group activity.

"We've seen more threats and actual attacks in the past 18 months than we've seen at any given period over the past 15 years," claimed Potok.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/lou-dobbs-glenn-beck...


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

I seem to remember alot of threats and talk of assasinating President Bush. I think a movie was even made about killing Bush. We are probably talking about some different groups than you are mentioning here. Excuse the interruption.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Funny, I don't remember that.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Most liberals do have selective memory! ....and there is obviously no cure!


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No, I don't have a selective memory. The fact is that the number of death threats against President Obama is 400% higher than against President Bush.

Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service

US President Barack Obama is the target of more than 30 potential death threats a day and is being protected by an increasingly over-stretched and under-resourced Secret Service, according to a new book.

By Toby Harnden in Washington

Published: 8:34PM BST 03 Aug 2009

Barack Obama faces revolt over health care overhaul

US President Barack Obama

Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service.

Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history.

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Most however, are kept under wraps because the Secret Service fears that revealing details of them would only increase the number of copycat attempts. Although most threats are not credible, each one has to be investigated meticulously.

According to the book, intelligence officials received information that people associated with the Somalia-based Islamist group al-Shabaab might try to disrupt Mr Obama's inauguration in January, when the Secret Service co-ordinated at least 40,000 agents and officers from some 94 police, military and security agencies.

More than a dozen counter-sniper teams were stationed along the inauguration parade route and the criminal records of employees and hotel guests in nearby buildings were scrutinised.

Despite all this, there were glaring loopholes in the security. Kessler describes how more than 100 VIPs and major campaign donors were screened by metal detectors but then walked along a public pavement before boarding "secure" buses and were not checked again.

It could have been relatively simple for an assassin to have mingled with them in order to get close enough to shoot the new president.

After Mr Obama was elected president, his two children Malia, 11, codenamed Radiance, and Sasha, eight, codenamed Rosebud, began receiving Secret Service protection. Mr Obama's wife Michelle is codenamed Renaissance. The Secret Service also started to protect Vice-President Joe Biden's children, grandchildren, and mother.

Instead of bringing in more agents - instantly identifiable because of their bulky suits, worn over bullet-proof jackets, and earpieces - the Secret Service directed agents to work longer hours to cover the extra load and to miss firearms training, physical fitness sessions and tests.

"We have half the number of agents we need, but requests for more agents have fallen on deaf ears at headquarters," a Secret Service agent told Kessler. "Headquarters' mentality has always been, 'You can complete the mission with what you have. You're a U.S.S.S. agent'."

Mr Biden's constant travel, including back to his home state of Delaware-the burden has meant that all agents on his team have ceased training. According to Kessler, however, they fill in forms stating they have "taken and passed all tests, when they have not, creating a dishonest culture".

The Secret Service has increasingly cut corners after it was absorbed by the new Homeland Security Department under Mr Bush. Kessler said that when Mr Biden threw the first pitch at the first Baltimore Orioles game of the 2009 season, the Secret Service did not screen any of the more than 40,000 fans, stunning his agents and the local Secret Service field office.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northame...


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

There ar no doubt extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. During Bush' term there were many Hollywood celebrities who were inciting much hatred toward our president. I guess these things happen. What are you going to do?? Glenn Beck has done no more than Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, and so many other hollywood types have done to bring attention to their cause.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Glenn Beck is a crazy, ignorant cretin. Sean Penn and Alec Baldwin are very bright Democrats, not at all extreme or loony tunes like Beck and Bachman.


Wizard Of Whimsy 6 years ago

Voltaire said, “No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." What we're seeing now is a buildup of snowball-sized pockets of panic and hatred being expanded by the same old right-wing demagogues, like Dick Armey and Dick Cheny, who have always exploited the anxiety and frustrations of the foolhardy.

These dupes project their fear and loathing onto the same old convenient targets who want who simply yearn for justice and peace. America is eating itself and it's ugly to behold.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Right on, Wiz!


Wiz 6 years ago

Thanks Ralph, though my dyslexia reared its ugly head yet again. That should have been: . . . convenient targets who simply yearn for justice and peace.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

The real dupes are most certainly in the democratic party. This party preys on the poor and disadvantaged. They make political promises they cannot keep to these uneducated and naive people that only stirs up class warfare and hatred. It is easy to buy votes in this manner without having any real skills on how to run the country. The result is what you are seeing in Washington where democrats try to run our country into the ground by promising socialism as the answer for the poor. The real answer is freedom and incentives for individual achievement. Governments are corrupt by nature and extremely inefficient and wasteful.


Wiz 6 years ago

Someone has drunk the GreedyOldPeople's KoolAid. Dems can't keep their promises because the right-wing propaganda and fear team have effectively convinced the braudboys in this country that black is white and lies are truth.

And I'll take Social Security and Medicare over Corporate Exploitation of the middle class, regardless of what the demagogues want to call it. The big business and their bagmen, the lobbyists, are what's corrupting government and only lazy, fear-mongering imbeciles believe otherwise.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Very true. (I added your latest photo of Fox news to this hub. Great work! Thanks.)


The Wizard Of Whimsy 6 years ago

Thanks Ralph and above should read: Big Business, not "The big business."


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Rubbish...you should not blame corporations for Wahsington's corruption. If politicians were not for sale, then corporations would have nothing to buy. And idiots like "Wiz" want to give these corrupt politicians all of the power to run everyone's life. Now...who is drinking the kool aid? ONce these liberal maniacs achieve full power, we will see how much the so-called "little man" accomplished in this victory. YOu will find that you are still at the bottom of the totem pole of this new witchcraft you crave. America must remain a free-market economy with limited government interference. With limited govermental powers, corporations again have nothing to buy and the markets will decide winners and losers.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Not blame corporations who "buy" or bribe politicians as well as blaming the politicians. That doesn't compute. I agree that Rangel should be punished, but so should the Corporations. MSM didn't even bother to contact the CEOs and call them out on it. The bribers included Pfizer, Verizon, AT&T and none other than CitiGroup whose reckless speculation with deposits insured by the taxpayers contributed to sinking our economic ship and was bailed out by you and me.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Come on Deeds....corporations have no control over your life. GOvernment does. Any corruption and misdeeds are to be confronted right there. If you take power out of Washington, then the rest takes care of itself. DOnt fool yourself....the politicians set up the game that has opened the door for payoffs and bribes. Dont be so naive to the foolishness of progressives (liberals) putting so much stock in our government officials.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Wake up! Who do you think exerts a lot if not complete control over the government? Coal, oil, pharmaceutical, power companies, not to mention the Wall Street Banksters.


Wiz 6 years ago

"Corporations have no control over your life Government does."

HAHAHAHA! Don't look behind the curtain, Dorothy and don't bother guarding the guards.

All of the regulations that were in place that protected our economy and democracy from the greedy weasels who exploit anything they can, were weakened, killed or ignored by the right-wing who took our government over. And the ideological imbeciles who made it happen will forever deny it

Braudboy, I learned long ago, from a farmer friend of mine, never try to teach a pig to sing because it wastes one's time and it only irritates the pig!

You can wallow in your ignorance, anger, hate and fear and go oink your way to hell.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Total idiocy! It was government officials telling you our economy would sink if we didnt save these corporations. OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS sold us a bunch of crap. If corporations are left to their own, they can do nothing but make their profits or go out of business. YOu have been duped by Washington. THe capitalist systme works when government stays out. Unfortunately, our corrupt politicians want a big piece of the action....at the taxpayers expense.

And WIZ is a total idiot, by the way.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Hey WIZ! I know you are an idiot...but maybe you can answer this question. WHo has the power to put this country in debt....corporations or government? The answer is....keep guessing...you can do it.... Correct! IT is government!


Wiz 6 years ago

Gee, braudboy, it's kind of obvious that you've set this thread aside for humiliating yourself in public. Nevertheless, I don't care to make you look any more ignorant and angry than you've made yourself look already. Get someone to help you with your delusions. I wish you every good wish.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

I debated whether to delete these nasty and ignorant posts but decided, as Wiz did, that if a baboon wants to show his ass you may as well let him do so. I wonder if BB was one of the men making fun of the man with Parkinson's in Ohio last week? Or the guy carrying the "God Hates Fags" sign?


Wiz 6 years ago

A significantly revealing moment, Ralph, captured for all to see.

That kind of behavior is fueled by frustration, anxiety, and ignorance. These angry folks can't be reasoned with it seems. They habitually project their own unhappiness, fears and self-doubt onto others. They're cowards who can't seem to face the truth about themselves, so they conveniently scapegoat the defenseless--the sick, the different, the unfortunate. The same intolerance that all of our wars have been fought over. Will our species ever learn?

Here's the video for any reader who wants to see what we're talking about . . .


Wiz 6 years ago

I tried to embed that code above but it didn't work so the link to that youtube video is in the URL box of this post.


Wiz 6 years ago

Here's a wonderful cartoon that also reveals the moral hypocrisy of the extreme right--it's titled "IF JESUS RETURNED AS GLENN BECK" . . .

http://www.bartcop.com/beck-returns-as-jesus.jpg


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Thanks, Wiz. Great stuff. Very true.


Wiz 6 years ago

Can you provide a like for the video, Ralph?

I'll try here again . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Your link to video of the shameful Teabaggers tormenting the man with Parkinson's works. Here it is again just in case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8

And I'll put the video up on the hub also.


Wiz 6 years ago

Thanks Ralph. And here's yet more hate and racism on parade . . .

From The Hill:

CBC member: Health bill protesters called lawmakers the N-word

By Roxana Tiron and Lauren Victoria Burke - 03/20/10 03:27 PM ET

Rep. Andre Carson (D-Ind.) claimed Saturday that healthcare protesters at the Capitol directed racial epithets at him Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) as they walked outside.

Carson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus along with Lewis, told The Hill that protesters called the lawmakers the N-word.

Tea Party protesters held a rally outside the Capitol on Saturday, which included speeches by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and actor Jon Voight, and then proceeded into the halls to lobby members at the 11th hour.

Lewis was one of the leaders of the civil rights movement alongside Martin Luther King. Jr.

Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, "Yes, but it's OK. I've heard this before in the '60s. A lot of this is just downright hate."

And if that's not disgusting enough, Barney Frank was called a "f****t," today too.

Gay.AmericaBlog:

Everything you needed to know about this hateful movement is expressed in this one story. It wasn't just one bigot. The entire crowd of teabaggers erupted in laughter. Hell of a movement Dick Armey has created - after all, he called Barney Frank the same thing, "fag," back in the 90s.

Rep. Barney Frank got an uglier version of the treatment. Just after Frank rounded a corner to leave the building, an older protestor yelled "Barney, you f****t." The surrounding crowd of protestors then erupted in laughter.

At one point, Capitol police officer threatened to throw a group of protestors out of the building but that only seemed to inflame them more; and apparently none were ejected.

Meanwhile the gun freak teabaggers are threatening to shoot people if health care is passed.

Tea Party activists have gathered on Capitol Hill today for a “Code Red” rally against health care reform. Speakers at the event included Republican Reps. Steve King (IA), Michele Bachmann (MN), and Mike Pence (IN). The gathering was organized by Tea Party Profiteer organizations like FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity. ThinkProgress attended today’s rally and spotted a sign threatening violence if health care passes. The sign reads: “Warning: If Brown can’t stop it, a Browning can,” referring to Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) and a Browning firearm


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Thanks, Mr. Wizard!


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The new self-described National Socialist group — Battalion 14 Michigan — hosted a White Pride Worldwide march from Jackson’s Loomis Park to downtown Jackson. And the group managed to muster up 17 souls to march for white pride — leaving at least a dozen women and children back at the park.

http://michiganmessenger.com/35972/white-pride-adv...


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds- you are no better than any other bigot. YOu try to profile and paint with a broad brush when it involves a political idea you disagrre with. There are certainly some people with extremist views whenever you have a large gathering for political rallies. THis also applies(probably more so) when the left organizes their pep rallies. Check out the characters at any gay rights gathering, or moveon.org function, or Cindy Shehan function, or any anti-Bush fiasco, and so on and so on and so on. I doubt that you condemned any of their functions because of some of the lunatics in their crowds. It just show the hypocracy of the left in our country.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

I'm glad you agree these people are lunatics. That's what I've been saying. I agree that the worst of the bunch are in the minority at Tea Parties. However, the leaders seldom seem to try to weed them out or disavow them. If I were running a parade or demonstration I would do my best to ban the hate signs which has not been the policy of the Tea Partiers. And the GOP has been cozying up to these people. Did your hear the jerk yell "baby killer" on the House floor yesterday at a supporter of the reform bill. He did apologize today as he well should have. I haven't seen any hate signs in news reports at gay rights rallies. I went to a gay parade once in DC near DuPont Circle, and I didn't see a single offensive sign. Everybody seemed to me to be having a good time in their outlandish costumes. And there were no comments from the crowd lining the sidewalks.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Did you happen to notice any hate going on at the anti-Bush rallies over the past 8 years??? DO you know what political group they belong to???? The extremists are on both sides of the political isle. You try to align Beck, Limbaugh, and others with the extremists and it is just not true. The extremists are there but it is not what these guys are speaking about. The TEA parties are also a great movement that is much needed in this country and they are not promoting hatred. Sure, some lunatics show up just as they do when the left rallies its troops.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Hate group activities have multiplied ten fold since Obama's election. He gets 30 death threats a day.

What did you think of Congressman Randy Neugebauer, Republican of Texas yelling "Baby Killer" at Congressman Bart Stupak of Michigan? Pretty over the top IMHO.

Feel free to call my attention any current liberal hate speech you encounter. And I'll do the same for the right-wingnuts.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Let's see...any current liberal hate speech....YOu might want to check some of your own writings as you plainly express your hatred for Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, the TEA party movement, and anything that speaks out against liberalism.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

I believe in all cases I pointed out hate speech by Beck, Limbaugh and the Tea Baggers. I don't owe any apologies to anyone. Calling attention to hate speech isn't hate speech. Glenn Beck is a pathetic loser, and Limbaugh isn't stupid, but he has no respect for the truth. Not all the Tea Partiers are guilty of hate speech, but enough of them are, and I haven't heard many apologies for their outrageous signs and shouted insults and spitting on congressmen. I'm sure you are familiar with them without repeating them here, bozo.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

SO...it is OK to spout hatred and insults, as long as you believe you are right and others are wrong. Well, maybe that is what they are doing as well, and feel justified in their strong language in doing so. You see Deeds, you only see life thru your liberal prism and therefore cant understand other points of view. YOU have much hatred in your writings but you think it is OK because you hold the correct postion. Well, I hate to shed light on that ignorance, but you are way off base as are most liberals.


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Mark Potok: "I think it's very clear that you see ideas coming out of all kinds of sectors of the radical right, from the immigrant radical right, from the so-called Patriot groups, the militias and so on — and you see it spreading right across the landscape at some of these Tea Party events," he says. "I think it's worth saying that much of this is aided and abetted by ostensibly mainstream politicians and media members."

[Courtesy of my friend The Wizard of Whimsy.]


Wiz 6 years ago

Road rage, accident centers on Obama bumper sticker

Posted: Mar 26, 2010 12:38 AM

Harry Weisiger is charged with felony reckless endangerment.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A Nashville man says he and his 10-year-old daughter were victims of road rage Thursday afternoon, all because of a political bumper sticker on his car.

Mark Duren told News 2 the incident happened around 4:30p.m., while he was driving on Blair Boulevard, not far from Belmont University.

He said Harry Weisiger gave him the bird and rammed into his vehicle, after noticing an Obama-Biden sticker on his car bumper.

Duren had just picked up his 10-year-old daughter from school and had her in the car with him.

"He pointed at the back of my car," Duren said, "the bumper, flipped me off, one finger salute."

But it didn't end there.

Duren told News 2 that Weisiger honked his horn at him for awhile, as Duren stopped at a stop sign.

Once he started driving again, down Blair Boulevard, towards his home, he said, "I looked in the rear view mirror again, and this same SUV was speeding, flying up behind me, bumped me."

Duren said he applied his brake and the SUV smashed into the back of his car.

He then put his car in park to take care of the accident, but Weisiger started pushing the car using his SUV.

Duren said, "He pushed my car up towards the sidewalk, almost onto the sidewalk."

Police say Harry Weisiger is charged with felony reckless endangerment in the incident.

Video link:

http://www.wkrn.com/global/Category.asp?c=175880&a...


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Tnx, Wiz.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

I think Obama has a case of road rage and wreckless driving as he drives our economy and our country into the ditch.


Wiz 6 years ago

More right-wing extremist bile & denial.

You can't defend that kind of behavior so you ignore it -- as in ingnore-ance!


Wiz 6 years ago

This is revealing . . . cowards with guns in their holes . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5ttDmFPB40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RyMmX3ipQ


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Davidson Loehr: Beck, Coulter and Limbaugh are Avatars of Julius Streicher

"Avatars of Julius Streicher" doesn't sound quite sober - hardly anyone recognizes his name today, but Streicher's spirit is alive and well in Beck, Coulter and Limbaugh. Streicher was one of the 11 Nazis sentenced to hang by the Nuremberg Trials on October 16, 1946. Only ten were hanged because Hermann Goering committed suicide with some cyanide capsules the night before. Of the 11, Streicher was the only one who was not in the military, not in any significant position to command anything regarding the treatment and execution of millions of people who didn't fit the Nazi mold. But Streicher may have been the person most responsible for implanting the spirit of anti-Semitism that let Germans dehumanize and slaughter millions of people. Between 1923 and 1945, Streicher published "Der Stuermer" ("The Stormtrooper"), and spoke wherever he could to instill this deadly spirit into everyone he could reach. He especially liked to address schoolchildren, and would get them so conditioned that when he asked if they knew who the enemy of Germany was, they would shout, "The Jew! The Jew!" Streicher was hanged with the Nazi leaders for publishing this fact-free newspaper that did more than anything else to prepare the way for the Nazi death machines.

More:http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/124297.html

Julius Streicher wikibio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds- you speak alot of Nazi hatred in your comparison to Beck, Limbaugh and Tea party events. You probably forgot that Hitler took power much the way Obama did, winning an election in a country going thru tough economic times. Hitler was a socialist, promising to take care of the German people and gaining his power thru government take over of the economy. That scenario turned out real well for the German people.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Keep your comments coming. You are proving my point.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

If your point is that Obama is steering our country in the wrong direction, then I am glad to help.


Wiz 6 years ago

braudboy-

His point was that you're a reactionary fool who can't effectively debate an issue because you haven't the capacity to think or reason your way beyond your own bigotry, paranoia, intolerance and ideology. You think "pushing buttons" is cool, but it's only infantile.

I can just imagine what you're feeding your granddaughter for breakfast . . .

http://home.comcast.net/~wizardofwhimsy/honeynutbe...


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Wiz- You are a fool!You show the true colors of liberalism. YOu dont know me but have me categorized. Idiots like you give democrat politicians free license to ruin our country because you do not have the intellect to see thru their madness.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Keep it up B.B. You're showing your true colors. What was on your picket sign?

Jack Lessenberry pins the tail on the GOP elephant.

They filled up voice mail systems with hate-filled messages. One spat on Congressman Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri. Another called Georgia Congressman John Lewis a "nigger" — Lewis, a 1960s hero who had his skull fractured for daring to think he should be able to vote.

They waved a sign that was arguably an illegal call to violence, saying, "If Brown can't do it, a Browning can."

Their goddess, the leering, defiantly ignorant Sarah Palin, stopped scribbling on her hands long enough to lend her name to a campaign commercial showing rifle cross-hairs targeting a number of Democratic congressional districts. Her slogan: "Don't retreat, just reload."

http://www.metrotimes.com/news/story.asp?id=14924


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

I definitely show my true colors Deeds....they are RED, WHITE, AND BLUE! How did you get so gullible as to blindly follow a corrupt government??? You must rely on them for a government paycheck!


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Yep. I get a Social Security check on the 27th of each month like clockwork. Medicare works great also.

Just curious, do you think the hate groups I've honored on this Hub are RED, WHITE and BLUE, just like you? What's your problem?


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

The fruit of hate:

Senator Patty Murray's Life Threatened Over Her Vote for Health Care Reform Bill

Suspect Arrested After Threats to Senator Murray

By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN

Federal agents on Tuesday arrested and charged a man with threatening to kill Senator Patty Murray, Democrat of Washington, because he was angry about her vote in favor of the major health care legislation.

According to a criminal complaint, the man, Charles A. Wilson, 64, of Selah, Wash., made a series of threatening phone calls to Senator Murray’s Seattle office between March 22 — the day after Congress approved the health care law — and April 4, including a recorded message in which he said, “I want to kill you.”

Read the full post at The Caucus.

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/...


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Wiz 6 years ago

The gist of braudboy's argumentation:

You dumb! Me smart! So there!!

Ralph, you have a saint's patience.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Ha! I doubt that he's making many converts to his viewpoint.


Wiz 6 years ago

Uncultivated minds are like uncultivated fields--lots of toxic weeds and toads.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Ralph and Wiz having a meeting of the minds. THose mental giants of the liberal wing in America are sure impressive.


Wiz 6 years ago

Instead of trading insults, braudboy, why not trade some non-biased ideas of your own and some facts to back them up? Use your mind for a change, instead of ignoring the issues in the debate!

You can't even admit that these groups are violent and hateful; so what do you think they contribute to America?


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

I suspect BB may be a member of one or more of them.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

I Know you guys are slow, so I will try to keep it simple! Here we go. There are certainly some extreme groups you have pictures of and have listed here. Where you go wrong is trying to lump Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, and many other good conservative-leaning leaders in with the whackos. Liberals are trying to discredit a legitimate conservative back-lash to the radical behavior of an out-of-control Obama administration. Ok, maybe that cleared it up for you.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

1. Palin, Beck and Limbaugh are encouraging the Tea Partiers' big tent of hatred--there's room for everybody--Jew haters, white racists, gay haters, government haters, immigrant haters--whatever your hatred come one come all. There's plenty of room for you in the Tea Party! I wouldn't call Palin or Limbaugh whackjobs, but Beck is certifyable.

2. The Obama administration is perhaps the best controlled administration in recent history. Not at all out of control.

3. There are only one or two legitimate conservatives left in the Party of NO.


Wiz 6 years ago

Seeing how you're so fast, braudboy, why don't you address the real point rather than trying to get around it with a false premise.

Palin, Limbaugh and Beck are "lumped" into the mix because they're always stirring up and inciting the "whackos" to hate and act out in anger--demagoguery for profit--and you're in denial of the the obvious.


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

Ralph Deeds

Pretty strong reporting. where are you getting the info and what are you watching? YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THE UNION THUGS THAT ROUGHED UP THE BLACK GUY AT A TOWNHALL MEETING.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Jon, it would be great if you could bring your self to say that you disapprove of any or all of these hate groups. I get my information from a wide variety of sources. I'm not familiar with the incident where "union thugs roughed up a black guy at a townhall meeting." I certainly don't approve of anybody roughing up people at public meetings or anywhere else for that matter. If you give me a link, I'll be happy to post information about it on this site. Politics in this country is getting pretty toxic which is unfortunate in my opinion. The Tea Party promoters are encouraging this trend. The groups have attracted a fair number of ignorant people with extreme views.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Recovering Skinhead

"That school was what did it for me. Growing up in South Philly, where we just had this Irish pride thing, I never really thought of the other races or the other races who lived around us as inferior or as much trouble because most of the kids — and most of the fistfights you got into — were with other Irish kids. We all knew each other. So it wasn't this big 'I hate them.' It was just an us-them. Once I got out there and noticed that the 'us' was very, very small and the 'them' was very, very big — and there was no one helping me — and I think that's where it started."


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds...you are so sold out on the left and it clouds your vision and your intellect. The real whack jobs are running our country right now, and you are just ignorant to what is going on, or someone who enjoys the freebies and dont care that government does not have the ability to pay for it. Your real haters are Obama, Pelosi, and Reed....they hate achievers and hard-working Americans. They hate those who have prospered in this country and want to take down the free market system that has enabled the prosperity of our country. They also hate our country's status of "super power" in the world and are trying to weaken us at a time when our enemies are getting stronger. You try to discredit Tea Partiers by trying to associate them with hate groups, but this old liberal trick fails. THe silent majority of ordinary, hard-working, tax paying, patriotic Americans are fed up with the foolishness in Washington, and, frankly we are fed up with the ingorance of people like you, Deeds, who enable them to ruin our country.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds, there are volumes of info on the corruption, violence, and criminal activities of unions and how they are bought and paid for by the democratic party. If you pop that liberal bubble you are living in, you might catch up on some reality.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

BB, Unions are "bought and paid for by the Democratic Party?" Criminal activities by unions are rare. When they occur they should be prosecuted like any other crimes.

Your comments are heavy on opinions, light on facts or reasoning. Your insults aren't getting you anywhere, BTW. I don't mind having you show the world where you are coming from, i.e., Nowheresville.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Here's the link to the piece entitled "Recovering Skinhead"--

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story...


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds- You dont even realize that the democratic party have the unions in their back pocket???? Or it could be said that the unions have the democratic party in their back pocket! I think it works either way. Anyway, what in the world does anyone care about "skin heads"! They are idiots! They have no relevance to the TeaParty movement and the awakening of the "silent majority" of hard-working Americans who are fed up with a corrupt government who is promising giveaways to gain power and have no means to pay for the entitlements except to take away the hardearned money of the workers in America.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds- Criminal activity by unions are rare????? Are you suggesting that the major unions are not influenced by organized crime????


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Yes. What evidence do you have. At one time the Teamsters union had ties to the Mafia, but that has been cleaned up long ago. I doubt that Jimmy Hoffa,Jr. would have anything to do with the people who murdered his father.

Of course the unions usually support the Democratic Party. You said that the unions are bought and paid for by the Democratic Party. The unions and their members contribute money to many Democratic candidates, and they expect support for legislation which benefits their members--increases in the minimum wage, more effective enforcement of OSHA rules, unemployment compensation extensions, etc. The Democrats and Obama aren't providing much support for the unions' card check recognition proposal as far as I can tell.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Deeds- OH! the mafia got cleaned up long ago! Well.....that is a relief. I am glad to hear that organized crime has been eliminated in America. So, now the union is being run by the boy scouts or some other honest group of upright citizens, I guess. This is good stuff, Deeds. It is no wonder that you are able to swallow the whoppers that Obama is trying to force-feed America. ...and if you dont think Obama isnt throwing some major bones toward the unions, you have missed the recent events at government take-over of GM that gave some serious ownership to the unions and in the recent health care bill that exempted unions from many of the increased expenses of the our new "socialized" medicine.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

You are mistakenly equating unions with the mafia. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most unions never had anything to do with organized crime. Exceptions are the Teamsters whose pension and healthcare funds attracted the mob and some of the unions around New York City. Again you are displaying your near total ignorance for the world to see. Keep it up, Bozo.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

I am not equating the mafia with the unions....I am pointing out the obvious truth that unions are corrupt and an easy target of the mafia or of "organized crime". THere are numerous examples in the news of union leaders with criminal proceedings against them, misappropriation of union pension funds, election tampering of union elections, etc,


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

There are also numerous examples of politicians, cops, stock brokers, etc., in the news for criminal proceedings. Only a tiny percentage of union leaders are corrupt, probably about the same as school board members, Catholic priests and Hubbers.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

A typical liberal response....lets just try to excuse bad behavior by citing other bad behavior. Nice one Ralphie boy.


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

If you know of any illegal activities by union leaders why don't your cite them, Bozo, instead of just making vague assertions? I see articles about criminal activities by politicians, policemen, Catholic priests, Goldman Sacks and so forth, but I can't remember the last time I saw one involving a union officer. You strike me as nothing more than an ignorant bullshit artist.


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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

Try a google search on union problems. There are too many to state. It ranges from union leaders going to jail for election tampering, misallocation of union funds, and so forth. The real problem with unions is that we have actually legalized their intimidation tactics (or at least looked the other way) because of their political clout. Deeds, my only artistry is in exposing leftist idiots as yourself.



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braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

The origins of the new Arizona Law is to address the many immigrants who are breaking the immigration laws of our country and entering our country illegally. This causes many problems, such as the spread of disease, violent crimes, strain on school systems and hospitals, and the list goes on and on. This is not about racism, it is about having law and order. It is about a country's right to control its borders and culture. It is about a state's right to keep its citizens safe and secure. It is about taxpayers rights to have its resources properly allocated to the citizens of the United States and to the citizens of that state.


iamqweenbee 6 years ago

Braudboy...While I do agree with some of your post, allow me to point out fatal errors.

1. Illegal immigrants are also getting into this country via Visa or tourists passes and not returning home. Its not just the borders.

2. Every Hispanic in Arizona is NOT an illegal immigrant. So patrolling them to monitor if they are a citizen or not would be violating the rights of the ones who are citizens.

3. It becomes about RACISM when you are focused solely on a particular race to profile.

4. America is not only a nation of laws, but, also a nation of immigrants! I personally have no problem with them being here if they come the right way (legally)! However, if they come the wrong way (illegally), I feel it is not fair to the citizens of this country to have to take on the burden.

5. Its not just illegal immigrants causing a problem. America has always had her share of criminals and a good many of them are AMERICAN.

6. For those illegal immigrants who have been here for a long time and have had children on American soil, I say give them their papers. Since their children are natural born citizens, then why separate the child from the parent. AND as you know, anyone born here, has a right to be here...

7. Lastly, how have you been? I haven't been on hubpages for awhile and you are one of the characters I thought about. LOL


iamqweenbee 6 years ago

Hi Deeds,

As you probably know, Braudboy slants a little too much to the right! HOwever, he is a good guy! LOL


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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago Author

Jason Ready, neo-Nazi, is leading a Minute Man group patrolling the Mexican border in Arizona.


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide

This is a most interesting hub you have here, Mr. Deeds! Kudos *thumbsup* To tell the truth, I will be back... goin' back to the top to read some more in a few minutes because there's SO MUCH here that I couldn't take it all in during one sitting...Very interesting photo collection here. Wow EK/European Kindred. I also have to look up the Recovering Skinhead article posted in comments. Excellent. I will be so busy for the next hour or so... Thanks for putting together a great hub!


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Ralph Deeds 5 years ago Author

mythbuster, thanks for your comment.


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acs123 5 years ago

nice post


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Ralph Deeds 5 years ago Author

Thanks.


paul jones 5 years ago

There are lots of blacks who hate whites, feminists who hate men, Jews who hate Christians, liberals who hate conservatives, Communists who hate priests, and so on. I get the feeling you are all in favor of hate if it's directed at "haters." At any rate you sound like you would want to take their first amendment rights away. For my part I am grateful there are groups ready to stand up to the government if it gets too big for its britches. A lot of extremists have been set up or entrapped and murdered by the government for the crime of holding extreme views e.g. Randy Weaver's wife or the Branch Davidians. That's hate and murder in its own right, a criminal abuse of the FBI, and thoroughly un-American. These men will be brought to justice one day.


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Ralph Deeds 5 years ago Author

There is no shortage of hatred and prejudice in this country. The groups I've listed in this hub are unique in that they are based solely or primarily on appeals to hatred based on ethnicity, race, ignorance, irrational suspicion of government and the like. Sounds like you might be a member or sympathizer of one or more of these groups????


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Ralph Deeds 5 years ago Author

Two new books were published recently on the political power and religious roots of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s when the Klan was more popular north of the Mason-Dixon Line than south of it.

"In the early 1920s, the K.K.K. became a national phenomenon, more popular north of the Mason-Dixon line than south of it. At its peak in 1924 there were probably 35,000 Klansmen in Detroit, about 55,000 in Chicago, 200,000 in Ohio, 240,000 in Indiana and 260,000 in Pennsylvania: a veritable army of proud Anglo-Saxons kluxing in their local klaverns. Ten bucks a head for membership, another six and a half for those fine flowing robes."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/books/review/the...


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bill yon 4 years ago from sourcewall

Yeah...As a black man from the south I have experienced plenty of racism.I have learned that racism is and forever will be a part of AMERICA. Racism will never die because it is taught. Hate is handed down from generation to generation. These hate groups you have listed are of no real danger to me as a black man. I can see them coming. The most dangerous hate groups are the ones that hide in plain sight. Like IBM who helped finance HITLER when the nazis tried to pull gencide on the jews. It is the secret racist that sit in positions of power like MEL GIBSON a superstar actor worth over 900 million dollars who is as bout as racist as one can get. It is the ultra rich racist who financed the tea-party movement, it is the powerful murdering shark who uses his media empire to spread seeds of hate through out the GLOBE like RUPERT MURDOCH, I bear no ill will towards O'reilly or the other Fox "newscasters" they are merely speaking from a script written by their master. The funny thing is me being black I thought jews did not behave in the fashion that MURDOCH behaves with our past being so similar and everything the whole holocaust/slavery black holocaust thing. But I was wrong. Black people read white-power books and visit white- power sites too. You have to know what these killers is talking about when you are the number one target. It is a shame but the truth of the matter is when the almighty NAZI'S KKK and what ever else These bigots call themselves decides to "Put the boot on their kneck...." We are going to destroy all of existence. Apocalypse now. So let the evil racist hate and strategize and plan for their holy race war because if that day ever comes we will all be talking to god face to face.


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Ralph Deeds 4 years ago Author

Great comment. Thanks. Mel Gibson is a rat. I did a Hub on him--

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/BOYCOTT_ME...


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Ralph Deeds 4 years ago Author

Hutaree Trial Starts Monday in Michigan

The FBI called for a full investigation of the Hutaree in 2008, after a confidential informant infiltrated the group and reported an attack appeared imminent.

The informant, court records show, met with Stone Sr. regularly at a restaurant to address the Hutaree's goals and attended the group's shooting exercises in the woods. The informant said the militia members spoke openly about having explosives and preparing for "the upcoming war."

The informant also admitted to being scared by the "cult-like behavior of the group."

The informant learned Hutaree members had several conspiracy theories, such as:

• The Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and Oklahoma City bombing were orchestrated by the government.

• Hurricane Katrina was caused by Army Rangers who went into New Orleans and set explosives on the levees.

• The movie "The Matrix" is based on facts.


Tom 4 years ago

so a...., what was the outcome of the Hutaree trial?(pause for effect,then pin drop)-lol Tom


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Ralph Deeds 4 years ago Author

Fair question: As you probably know, the result was disappointing for the U.S. Attorneys. Most of the charges were dismissed by Judge Victoria Roberts. Two who pleaded guilty of gun violations will serve terms in jail.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=201...


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Ralph Deeds 4 years ago Author

8-8-12NYTimes Hatecore Music Style Is Called Supremacist Recruiting Tool

Hatecore Music Is Called White Supremacist Recruiting Tool - NYTimes.com

The shootings at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin shined a light on “hatecore” and an obscure cultural scene that is helping keep the white supremacist movement energized.


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Ralph Deeds 4 years ago Author

8-9-12NYTimes--OPINION--"The Sikh Killer's Music of Hate"

The Sikh Temple Killer’s Music of Hate - NYTimes.com

Law enforcement and anti-racist activists should pay close attention to the neo-Nazi music scene as a motivating force for hate crime.


Gerry Nance 3 years ago

The SPLC exists by victimizing the poor by perpetuating poverty, while getting rich. The SPLC does nothing for the poor, but does everything to get rich off the poor."


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Ralph Deeds 3 years ago Author

Just curious, how does SPLC "victimize the poor by perpetuating poverty?" My impression is that the Koch brothers and their ilk are responsible for perpetuating poverty and growing inequality of income and wealth in this country. In my opinion, SPLC performs a useful function of exposing ignorant hate groups and a variety of nutcases in this country.


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slcockerham 2 years ago from Tallahassee, Florida

Hey Ralph,

Quite an in depth hub. Aren't you wrongly associating right wing conservative speakers with actual hate speech or groups. Just came here to see what you are about, after the name-calling you displayed on the hub about Bundy.

I'm not a hateful person, but have to note that hate speech is Constitutionally protected speech according to the Supreme Court.

It would seem that some people and groups want to silence all speech that doesn't agree with their own views. I'm just saying!

SPLC does expose hate groups, they also wrongly label Christian groups as hate groups; such as the Family Research Council or pro-life Christians. Hmm? You can delete this as soon as you read it, since it doesn't promote your viewpoint!


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Ralph Deeds 2 years ago Author

1. I almost never delete comments except for spam.

2. Perhaps I have lumped too wide a variety of groups together. Some are clearly worse than others. We can debate whether some of the evangelical Christian groups qualify as hate groups or not. They aren't nearly as offensive as the neo-nazi and militia groups. However, I find their rhetoric quite offensive and harmful (e.g., "stop murdering babies," or "stop killing children." This kind of rhetoric, in my opinion, tends to encourage unbalanced individuals like Scott Roeder who murdered abortion doctor George Tiller in his church.

3. Perhaps I should follow St. Thomas Aquinas admonition "Never deny. Seldom affirm. Always distinguish." I accept your comment that there are significant distinctions among the groups cited in my hub.

4. I am a strong supporter of the First Amendment.

5. Thanks for your comment.

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