How Obama's Undeniably Marxist Communist Policies Threaten America

Here is the bottom line, right at the top of the Hub: Folks, we're in big trouble... President Obama is implementing policies that are directly, purely, and completely Communist and he is doing it with the apathetic nodding approval of the American people.

I could go off on an academic ideological harangue right now, quoting the luminaries of the Marxist-Leninist philosophies and frankly lose most of my readers by the third paragraph. Instead, I'm going to keep this Hub exquisitely simple and straightforward, in the belief that anyone should be able to grasp these basic tenets, regardless of their previous schooling or background in leftist doctrines.

So let's start discussing this in the simplest language I can muster.

Communism is bad, very very very bad, and every true American should be able to agree with this statement. The fall of the Berlin Wall was a great day for human liberties everywhere as the discredited and dysfunctional policies which had impoverished and enslaved almost two billion people for most of the 20th century were swept away from the nations which had so long suffered under Politburo tyranny.

America was always the stalwart protector of democracy, liberty and free enterprise, in direct opposition to the Communist powers.

What's happened lately? Vladimir Putin, the de facto ruler of Russia, the heart of the former Communist Soviet Union, has warned President Obama to not embrace leftist policies and to keep the markets free. Our new president has not listened to Putin. Instead, he listened to Karl Marx:

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie; to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state."
- Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto, 1848.

Although it seems completely impossible and incredible, President Obama's recent policy decisions are 100% in line with Marxist thought. Karl Marx believed that the workers should own the means of production, not the capitalists who provided the funding to build those means. That is basic Communism 101.

Without getting into arcane financial and legal minutae, let's (overly simply) discuss the basic essence of what President Obama has done in the case of Chrysler and soon to also do to General Motors: He told the legitimate creditors who have lent the automotive manufacturer billions of dollars secured on the real property and assets of the company to take a hike. They were "greedy" thus they got cut out. Not only were they prohibited to enforce their legitimate and legal rights to the tangible assets that their money purchased, but they were instructed that they would receive a mere fraction of their rights, and then only if they made it through bankruptcy court. The vast majority ownership of Chrysler would not go to the people who paid for it fair and square... no... it would now go to... the workers!

The auto union is now the owner of the majority of Chrysler shares. Why? Because Obama said so. Did they have a financial stake in the company? No, not to any great degree. They got majority ownership simply because they worked there. And because President Obama implemented his fervent Marxist belief that the workers should own the means of production, not the people who have every legal and legitimate right under the Constitution of the United States to those shares. Obama is simply waving away the statutory and lawful rights to the property of individuals and entities. Why? Because he is putting into force to the letter the philosophy of Karl Marx:

"...the middle-class owner of property: This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible."

Americans, it is high time that you pull your heads from your nether regions and realize that what is happening with your tacit approval is nothing less than the wholesale immolation of the American Way. Your property rights have been eliminated by the President of the United States of America. With this precedent there is no further limitation from the government takeover of any business in America, indeed no property or asset of any kind, including your homes and personal chattel. Don't say it couldn't happen here. It's already happening: Just as it did in Russia in 1917 and China in 1949. Most of the Russians and Chinese of the time thought it couldn't happen there. Guess what? It did.

This is not just some abstract economic policy of the Democratic Party of the United States of America: This is the tearing up of the Constitution, the violation of everything that America traditionally stands for, and the slapping in the face of every great American in history from George Washington to Thomas Jefferson to Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

The founding fathers of the United States of America crafted the foundation for our society entirely based on the concept that happiness of the individual is directly connected with the personal responsibility and liberty allowed by the government. The twin pillars of this superlative system they invented were strict limitations on the power of the Federal government and the incorruptible protection of individual personal and property rights.

What we are witnessing right before our eyes is nothing less than a Communist coup d'etat, albeit a voter sanctioned one. Just like the Venezuelan voters became aware that they had elected a Marxist into office only after Hugo Chavez took power and began to change the country into the Cuban mold, American voters went to the polls and elected a charismatic populist who they were not aware was an avowed Marxist until he held the levers of power and it was far too late.

To President Barack Hussein Obama, with all due respect to your political stature and the greatness of your office, I claim with full conviction that you purposely and with full premeditation misled the American voter into believing that you were not a Communist, and thus did not embrace beliefs which are inherently incompatible with the basic American system of legislation. The indisputable Marxist Leninist policies that you have implemented in your short term in office so far are illegal, unethical, improper, and to any definition of the term: treasonous. Although due to the currently extenuating circumstances, I cannot proceed to advocate prosecution for treason, I do strongly, irrevocably and directly advocate to the American people that they consider an immediate impeachment.

Before it's too late.

It may already be.

 

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C.Ferreira 7 years ago from Rutland, VT

This is just ridiculous. While I don't believe President Obama has done the greatest job, he certainly is not a Communist. I ask you, what better solution you would have to the failing auto industry? His solution may not be the best, but it is one that he and his advisors sees fit. It has yet to fail, and until it does, nobody should be critical.

Bush did more harm in his last 30 days with the ailing economy, than Obama has done in his first 3. Our tax money has been handled improperly on all accounts, but something's gotta give, and I will give Obama the benefit of the doubt until he really blows it.

To suggest he is a communist is ludicris.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

C.Ferreira, I thank you for your comment, and furthermore I respect your opinion and your right to state it. However, please justify the wholesale appropriation of majority shares from its legal owners in the case of Chrysler (and soon GM) and its gifting to the UAW and CAW. This is nothing more or less than The Communist Manifesto verbatim. Until I can see a legitimate argument that portrays this as anything but a Marxist implementation, my viewpoint stands.


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James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

Great hub brother. Note the Berlin Wall was the first in history built not to keep invaders out—but to keep people in!

It can happen here (to quote Frank Zappa). They should have let the car companies go under. The unions killed industry in this country (I am from Michigan and I was there) but the lefties blame it on outsourcing. Marx said, "Unionism is the first step to Communism."


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Paraglider 7 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

Undeniably Marxist Communist?? Sorry, but I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt for a long time. At this point, I leave your fan club. You're obviously out for the populist vote and have no use for thinking people. Good luck ;)


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

James A Watkins, thanks. I wholeheartedly agree with your comments and endorse them. An American business has to stand on its own, no matter how large or small. IMHO, the government and workers owning companies that they have no lawful financial stake in is the trigger that will detonate the foundations of the "American way."

Paraglider, I am very sorry to see you go. You have been a strong supporter of my writing for a long time. I would love to discuss this matter further with you and to debate the issue logically and legitimately. My opinion is that the handover of Chrysler majority shareholding to the union is a clear and evident textbook Marxist policy. Since your viewpoint differs, I'm more than open to debate it.


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Paraglider 7 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

Hal - I like your writing and have enjoyed much of your stuff. But you are 'nearly' as out of order here as our friend Arkwriter was in calling Obama the Antichrist. You don't like his politics? Live with it. He's your elected President. Taking a stance is usually standing in shallow waters. The pool is deeper in the middle. Don't run scared.


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CJStone 7 years ago from Whitstable, UK

I like you Hal. You obviously like to wind people up with your over-the-top style and views, but this is... well I think you already know it.... just ridiculous. If anything Obama is a Keynesian, and, as I'm sure you also know, Keynes was a strident anti-communist, who evolved his economic theories as a balwark against communism. Obama is no more a communist than - here in the UK in the post-war period - Ramsey MacDonald was. This is a case of the State bailing out capitalism, not the proletariat overthrowing it. But I'm sure you know that too. Nice rhetoric, lousy logic.


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calebd 7 years ago from Newark

Hahahahaha

I like satire.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Paraglider, I have always appreciated your comments and continue to do so in this case. I stated in an earlier Hub that Obama is not the Antichrist as he doesn't have 666 notched into his skull. And yes, that is a sarcastic statement. I have, however, also previously stated that I think that Obama is probably one helluva nice dude, and I'd love to get to know him as a person.

All we have to do is check out his history. It is impossible to whitewash his previous very close personal associations with avowed communist sympathizers and terrorists. That is a matter of public record. I can sit here and type out scores of examples from his days in Chicago where he implemented purely and unmistakeably Marxist policies in association with Acorn, Code Pink, MoveOn, et al.

I will be more than happy to reverse my stand. All I need is for someone to present a factual argument as to why his Chrysler policy is not directly out of Marx/Engels. My opinion stands until then.

He is not my elected president since I am Canadian and have never been eligible to vote in a USA election. I also dispute your fact that I am running scared on any issue. I have clearly called for the President's impeachment and accused him of treason, albeit without asking for treason charges to be pressed. That doesn't exactly seem like a scaredycat stand. His policies are a clear and present danger to the hopes of economic recovery of not only the population of the United States but to the welfare of the entire world.

CJStone, by all means base your continued opinion of my writing on my following statement, but these Hubs in no way reflect anything but my considered and honest opinion. I have no desire to wind anyone up, as I have gone on the record countless times before in my statement that "traffic to my Hubs means virtually nothing to me financially." I see HubPages in many ways as a valid forum for open debate on important issues. I believe that there are very few more important issues for the world than the ideological and economic future of America.

I must reject your statement of Obama as a Keynesian, as there is nothing in Keynes which advocates the state ownership of private corporations. The "slight deficits" Keynes advocates are to be directed towards public projects, not the wholesale purchase of private companies with trillions of dollars of taxpayers' money.

Therefore, I defend my logic as sound and repeat to you what I stated to Paraglider: "I will be more than happy to reverse my stand. All I need is for someone to present a factual argument as to why his Chrysler policy is not directly out of Marx/Engels. My opinion stands until then."

calebd, you may be happier reading some of my clearly satirical Hubs. This is emphatically not one of them, unfortunately.


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calebd 7 years ago from Newark

You realize that Marx and Engels wanted to abolish the state, right? Statelessness is the whole point of Marxism as it is opposed to the notion that a minority should hold authority within its grasp. You scream Marxism without understanding what it means.

Obama's very clearly Keynesian. Before you hold Keynes to be the opposite of this straw man socialism you've set up, perhaps you're aware of the notion of socialized investment (Keynes' words, not mine). He was a gradualist who clearly and explicitly saw value in using the state for those ends.

You've filled your critique with whatever straw men you want to attack. Codepink, for instance, which has nothing at all to do with Marxism or statism or any real -ism. It's really very nice of you to debunk an absurd statement like Obama is the Antichrist but really, that has no bearing on anything.

How exactly do you accuse someone of treason and then disavow that treason has legal consequences? That's ridiculous. If you weren't trying to be satirical, then you've done an interesting hatchet job on logic.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

calebd, Marxist theory has as its final stated goal the abolition of the state, yet every single implementation of Communism in any form has only served to enhance the state and make it a far more powerful, invasive, and tyrannical government over the people. I strongly dispute that I do not understand Marxism, as my residence in "Iron Curtain" countries states otherwise. Keynes' socialized investment philosophy is very clear:

"It is not the ownership of the instruments of production which it is important for the State to assume. If the State is able to determine the aggregate amount of resources devoted to augmenting the instruments and the basic rate of reward to those who own them, it will have accomplished all that is necessary." Keynes has always supported private property rights, individualism, competition, freedom of choice, and freedom of markets.

Code Pink is a strongly leftist organization. Left is socialism and communism, both isms which were originated by Marx's writings. To state that Code Pink has nothing to do with Marx is the equivalent to state that Ronald Reagan did.

I firmly believe and stand by my statements. From Wiki: High treason is criminal disloyalty to one's country. Participating in a war against one's country, attempting to overthrow its government, spying on its military, its diplomats, or its secret services for a hostile and foreign power, or attempting to kill its head of state are perhaps the best-known examples of high treason. High treason requires that the alleged traitor have obligations of loyalty in the state they betrayed, such as citizenship, although presence in the state at the time is sufficient.

I believe that President Obama's policies clearly prove treason against the traditional policies established in the Constitution by the founding fathers. The "extenuating circumstances" I stated for not advocating prosecution for treason are simple: There is no precedent in American law for prosecuting the head of state for treason, as the statutes do not foresee a case where the duly elected head of state would be acting against the interests of the nation. That is why the founding fathers placed the impeachment statutes into place, and they are by far the best ways to proceed to remove this extremely perilous set of policies from the White House.

Bill Clinton was impeached because he tried to cover up sexual acts with an intern. I dare anyone to justify that those acts were more destructive to the American nation than what Barack Obama has done since January of this year.


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Web D Zine 7 years ago from The Interwebs

This is superb satire.


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calebd 7 years ago from Newark

Okay. I'll bite. First off, impeachment and treason are two different things. Whether or not Bill Clinton ought to have been impeached is a different question. Which of these qualities you say define treason has Barack Obama done? This is what the law lexicon defines treason. Note the word "Only" and the requirements thereof. None of that stuff you were spouting to accuse Obama of treason stands.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

Umm so you're saying Obama has abolished private property then? Damn. I keep missing these memos.

Living in an Iron Curtain country makes you an expert on Marxist theory? You're also sure, of course, that that was Marxism and not some statist variant. I wasn't aware that theory was something you learned by osmosis especially given that that was probably not what was practiced wherever you were.

Also, seriously, leftist ideals existed before Marx. They are also not etched in stone or an offshoot of Marxism. Authoritarianism is hardly a left-wing trait. Right now, it's arguably a right-wing trademark. Code Pink has nothing to do with Marx. Similarly, Reagan has nothing to do with Marx. To follow through, Code Pink has nothing to do with Reagan who is dead and has nothing to do with Code Pink.

Umm Keynesian economics deals with state intervention. State intervention is not incompatible with property rights or market choice or any of those things. What Obama's doing is not that much different. Keynes has been criticized for years for being too close to socialism. You're aware of this, I'm sure.

For now, I have to go to a concert. Metal awaits.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Web D Zine, again, this is not satire. Not at all. I wish it was. But this reality is stranger than fiction.

calebd, high treason can also be defined as an act which destroys the basic fiber of  the nation. To be democratically elected on one centrist platform and then switcharoo over to a completely socialist agenda is treason, if the nation is not socialist, does not want to be socialist, and has a tradition stretching back to 1776 of free enterprise. Therefore, Obama's policies are treasonous, clear and simple. However, the legislation as currently written does not embody treason of this type, thus the preferable option of impeachment.

Obama has violated the rights to collateral to the tune of many billions of dollars in a completely illegal manner. The private loans were extended to Chrysler based on collateralization. What Obama has essentially done (the short version) is to deny the rights of the lenders to seize and sell assets they legally own. Yes, that is denial of private property rights.

My first hand experience with Marxism does put me in a considerably stronger debating situation than any person who has never lived in a Communist country, as I have seen the ravages first hand. To debate Marxism vs. statism vs. any other kind of ism is effectively irrelevant in this case as the echoes to Marx are very clear. Again, I state that the argument showing that Obama's Chrysler policy is not a precise implementation of the quotes by Karl Marx shown in the Hub has not been forthcoming from any commenter.

Have fun at your Metal concert! Wear ear protection! :)


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maven101 7 years ago from Northern Arizona

Hal..Great premise, great Hub...

I personally see Obama as a product of the " Chicago School " mindset.

His appointment of Jason Furman, with support from Jared Bernstein and James Galbraith, both committed neo-Keynesians, tends to project his economic thinking as neo-Keynesian. But looking at what he has actually done reflects a scary economic fascism.

Considering Obama's intimate association with radical socialist Saul Alinsky in Chicago, I believe they had a mind meld and grafted on parts of communist, socialist, and neo-keynesian economic and social theory that has appeal to just about anyone that is not intellectually engaged with the economy or social issues. And that includes an awful lot of folks in this diminished nation.

I believe Keynes, while on his deathbed, proclaimed Keynesian Economics as a total failure....


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

maven101, when you state that Obama "has appeal to just about anyone that is not intellectually engaged with the economy or social issues. And that includes an awful lot of folks in this diminished nation." All I can add is BRAVO! Absolutely right on. Thank you.


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eovery 7 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

Great Hub Hal,

You got them going. I thought communisim was a little harsh, but yet communism is the ultimate socialism, so it fits, even if it is kind of 80'ish.

As for as Keyenism, it is an investment into the economy, not a take over of it. Keyenism, in part was to introduce money into the economy to create jobs and to get the economy jump start. These acts done by our great legislature is more like Capitilism and Soclalsim combined. I.e. socialism takingo over the capital corporation.

GM big problem was it giving into the unions and paying big benefits from it union ties. Now to have the Union owning them is like placing the fox in charge of the hen house. It will be very interesting over the next few years to see a union run a business. It may be comical, because unions are always out to get big business. Well, are they going to attack themselves. This, I am going to have to watch.

Keep on Hubbing.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

LOL I was shouting that Obama equals communism on every corner of hubpages before elections. Did anybody listen to me? They won't listen to you Hal either... They need to get behind the bars themselves before they realized what a deep shit they put themselves in...


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CJStone 7 years ago from Whitstable, UK

Hal, here's what object to: it's not the idea that Obama is a communist. He clearly isn't. The rulers of America wouldn't let a communist anywhere near the White House. It's that Marxism is "treasonous", which is, of course, exactly what the corporate men and bankers would have us believe. Again, it isn't true. Marxism is an analysis of capitalism, that's all - not the first, but an early example, and not always correct but sometimes remarkably prescient - and Marx himself rarely prescribes anything beyond the vague but appealing "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", which is so right-sounding that many Americans actually think it is in the Constitution. So much for treason. I think the real traitors are the ones who have bought and sold America (and the world) for their own gain. I have yet to decide which side Obama is on, but I suspect you will find the same old set of people even more wealthy at the end of his reign. And it won't be the workers or the unions.....


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lindagoffigan 7 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

How ridiculous to throw such rhetoric around about a the president. You stirred up responses as inconceivable remarks about a public figure would muster. It cost you a fan and I refuse to honor the hub with its intent of unfounded controversy.


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Ana Louis 7 years ago from Louisiana

I believe that regardless of which side of an issue you stand, it is always prudent to listen to what the opposition has to say. We never recieve the entire truth concerning any political agenda and I will continue to search out information, listen to all arguments, and weigh the facts everyday...it has to be everyday, because new information comes to light with every sunrise.

The major problem is sorting the lies from the truth. As I set here today I find it more, and more difficult to believe anything I hear, read, or see. Everyone has an angle and an agenda, and whatever truth there is has been so manipulated it is unrecognizeable. It seems that truth lies in the perception of whoever is delivering it.

I used to be an optimist...it is harder to see the glass as half full.

Without saying which side of this discussion I favor, I appreciate your words, and the comments.

There is much wrong with our country today, it is ailing for sure. Our government has become too big and too complicated, and our elected politicians have become too corrupte and self-serving. Sometimes the only way to correct a problem is to wipe the hard-drive clean and start over. Just a thought.

Sorry to go on so and rabbit trial the discussion. I'll let ya'll get back to it.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

Hey Ana, if I was not your fan already, I would become one on the spot :)

Chris, I think you can benefit from studing what Mr. Marx and company really preached. Take a look at the transition plan from the Communist Manifesto, and try to think how exactly some things from it can be implemented, especially numbers 1, 3, 4, and 8 - and try to ask yourself - is this really possible without a civil war and ensuing state terror, exactly as it happened in every country that tried to adopt this utopia?

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production...

 


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

eovery, thank you very much. As always I appreciate your kind words and support. You have interpreted Keynes absolutely correctly. There is a huge difference between government investment into a free market economy and government purchasing of majority shares in private corporations. I have usually not given credit to the UAW for anything other than singing the correct lyrics to L'Internationale, so I fully expect them to crash and burn as majority owners of Chrysler.

Misha, you are not only a very astute political analyst, but given your background, I most certainly trust your judgement when it comes to leftist policies. Is there anything anything ANYTHING that the like minded Hubbers can do to wave a huge (not red) flag and bring attention to this incredibly important issue that the leftleaning mainstream media is completely sweeping under the rug?

I also could not agree with you more on your comments with regards to the 10 points of the Manifesto. They have always been triggerpoints for bloodshed.

CJStone, I can only paraphrase Forrest Gump: "Commie is as Commie does." Whether Obama is a card carrying member of the American Communist Party is not only doubtful, but almost impossible to prove. What we can prove is his own proclivity for socialism by examining his background which includes enthusiastic endorsements by virtually every leftist group in the USA including the Democratic Socialists of America, and his own equally enthusiastic endorsements of active socialists such as Bernie Sanders, (and let's leave the Weathermen out of this conversation for now as that's a rich enough subject for a whole 'nother Hub). And my challenge is still open and unanswered by any commenter: Can anyone please dispute my statement that singlehandedly appropriating 55% of the shares of a major automaker from the rightful owners to donate them freely to "the working proletariat" is anything but pure, unadulterated Marxism, socialism, and/or communism?

lindagoffigan, before you run off this Hub of "unfounded controversy" could you please address my repeated question above? Why is it that some commenters feel that this Hub is so baseless but no one can tackle the basic question which the entire thesis is based upon? I'll courteously admit I was wrong as soon as anyone can prove me wrong. Until then, all I can conclude is that the Obama Aura has blinded many more Americans than I ever thought possible.

Ana Louis, I completely agree with Misha in that your comment is superlative. Please read my Hub on E-Voting as a possible "wipe the hard drive clean" solution:

http://hubpages.com/politics/The-Simple-Answer-To-...


azur moon wolf 7 years ago

Wow! I applaud your bravery to voice your opinion so boldly. So many people are blind to what is happening to our country. It scares me. I find myself biting my tongue when it comes to politics since the Constitution Party seems to be the minority.

I just became a fan. Keep up the great work while we still have free speech.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thank you very much azur moon wolf. Your comment is very encouraging and I really appreciate it!


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Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

Well, I disagree with naming Obama as a Communist in line with Marx, and especially not Lenin. Primarily I do so because Marx was a theorist while Lenin bastardized Marx's ideas into a dictatorship. But all that aside, Obama is no Communist any more than he is a Fascist. He's the elected leader of a nation that continually finds itself in deep crap because it changes ideologies like a snake changes its skin, but always produces the same results.

I live in a socialist democracy here is Spain, and we have private industry, private ownership, and yes, we can even own guns. My dentist is a private practitioner even though I can go to a clinic and get free or reduced coverage. I go to my private dentist because I like him and he chose to not become one of the socilaized medical professionals.

America is already a somewhat socialist nation and if one doesn't believe that then do away with social security and medicare and see how people howl for the return of these purely socialist programs of medical care. Do away with unempoyment payments, another purely socialist idea, and lots of other programs created by socilaist nations and leaders.

Obama is a pragmatic Democrat, faced with tough choices, who is doing the same thing Bush and others did when it comes to companies & banks. The U.S. regularly takes over, temporarily, banks and even breaks up (permanently) monopolies such as the old phone company. Isn' that socialism at its very best? Over a century ago monopolies in oil and other indiustries were broken up and large industries were government regulated to get rid of such free-market excesses as child labor, 14 hour work days, minimum wages and other ills affecting, you guessed it, THE PEOPLE as opposed to THE BIG BUSINESSES.

Sorry, Mr. Licino, while I like many of your hubs, this one sounds like a lot of hype from the far right, and even though you are not a U.S. citizen, you seem to have fallen under th sway of those who are bitter at having lost the least election there.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Ivan The Terrible: It seems that the GOP tends to agree with me as they are currently debating whether to refer to the Democratic Party as the Democratic SOCIALIST Party, which is definitely what it has now become.

You have put your finger on the essential inherent failure of ALL SOCIALIST PHILOSOPHY: "Marx was a theorist while Lenin bastardized Marx's ideas into a dictatorship." Way to go. Couldn't have put it better myself. EVERY HEAD OF STATE IN HISTORY WHO HAS EVER ADOPTED MARXIST PHILOSOPHY HAS TURNED HIS STATE INTO A DICTATORSHIP.

Heck, I like that so much that I think that not only will I repeat it a few times...

EVERY HEAD OF STATE IN HISTORY WHO HAS EVER ADOPTED MARXIST PHILOSOPHY HAS TURNED HIS STATE INTO A DICTATORSHIP.

EVERY HEAD OF STATE IN HISTORY WHO HAS EVER ADOPTED MARXIST PHILOSOPHY HAS TURNED HIS STATE INTO A DICTATORSHIP.

EVERY HEAD OF STATE IN HISTORY WHO HAS EVER ADOPTED MARXIST PHILOSOPHY HAS TURNED HIS STATE INTO A DICTATORSHIP.

... and maybe even put it in my Will that I want that as my epitaph.

My country, Canada, is just about as socialized as Spain. We have socialized medicine and although it's fine for scrapes, bumps and bruises, you can find yourself in a queue for major surgery that is so long that you die waiting.

America HAS NO REASON WHATSOEVER to be socialist in any way, shape or form. It is completely outside the parameters set by the founding fathers, it is totally anti-Constitutional, and it is only the blind adherence to Obama's VERY SOCIALIST CULT OF PERSONALITY which is allowing the American public to be hoodwinked into adopting socialist policies that even the ex-KGB Agent and Prime Minister of Russia Putin has clearly stated are DEAD ENDS.

I have absolutely no fear of death as I have lived a long and fruitful life. I assure you that although my passport is Canadian, I will gladly, enthusiastically, and proudly give up my life today in fighting to keep the glorious nation of the United States of America free from this creeping socialism which is guaranteed to demolish its essential economic and social foundations. The world needs the United States to continue to be an unrelenting bulwark of freedom, liberty, and Constitutional rights, as a beacon to all nations. If the world loses that light emanating from the Statue of Liberty, we as a race shall fall into anarchy, despair and destruction.

Ya. No kiddin'. :)


Opinion Duck 7 years ago

Hal

Obama and Bush are not the issue, the issue is the ineffective two party system. The Congress needs to work as a team but the two party system makes it an adversarial system. When Congress fails, it doesn't matter which party had the better plan or idea, because Congress failed. Congress has always been divided since the creation of the these two parties. Congress that is not united is an ineffective Congress.

Voting row A or row B is the accepted voting method today as it has been for decades, but it is not the correct method. The correct voting method is to vote for the best person for the job, regardless of party affiliation.

An effective Congress can augment a great president or nullify a bad president.

While your hub is a great device for debate, these are not the droids that you are looking for (Star Wars).


obammywhammy 7 years ago

Obama is a communist traitor! We must stop him.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Opinion Duck: I'm all for voting for the best person for the job. My only real problem is that I don't know of a single solitary politician anywhere on the planet today that I'd trust to valet park my car.

I suggest a new strategy, R2. Let the wookiee win. :)

obammywhammy:

He is part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take him away! :)

OK, enough Lucas quotes. I don't believe in any way that Obama is a traitor. Although I do believe he is a Communist. In his heart he is doing what he thinks is best for the country, and since his educational background has indocrinated him into Marxist theory he is the latest in a long line of fools who have been suckered into adopting the utopian nonsense which has always led to tyranny. And that is the road that he has firmly placed the people of the United States of America. God save them and may God bless America at the darkest time in its history when it needs it the most.


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Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

Obammywhammy, care to elaborate? Maybe you are the traitor here. Did you ever consider that? Intolerance is more of an unAmerican stand than alleged and unfactual communism.


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Chef Jeff 7 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

Ignorance is a terrible sin, Obammywhammy, and you should know what you are saying before you accuse anyone of anything. After all, we might be accusing you of being a NAZI. Can you prove you aren't?

Hal, while I defend your freedom to say what you want, you do need to be more responsible about publishing things that are patently false. Obama is no Communist, never affliated with the CPA or has been a member of any communist organization, and to say so as if it were fact confuses me, because there is no proof of this being true. And it opens the doors for people like Obammywhammy to spout their hatred and ignorance and threats. We had enough of this American foolishness with jerks saying "Kill him!" about Obama at various political rallies last year. I like all your other hubs, but I have to admit this one took me by surprise. Would you care to back up your original premise with facts? And I mean solid facts, not just that this or that sounds like Communism, but is Obama actually a Communist as you surmise?


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Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

I had to laugh because we had an editorial in one of our Communist leaning papers here in Madrid that complained that Obama is just as much a right-winger as was Bush. I guess the perspective is different depending upon the invictiveness of the outlook.

We have REAL communists here and they usually have a poor showing in the elections because most people do not want their strict controls over society. We treat them just like fascists and other far-right wingers because we seek a balance between government and personal freedom, and I never thought as a young man that this would be true, but having lived in both the U.S. and Europe I can say that we have a lot more personal freedom in Europe without the need for rugged individualism that you Americans boast of. We work together and get things done. For us government is a partner, not an enemy.


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Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

OH, Hal, I thought the Rebel Alliance were the good guys? Obama's part of that? then isn't he the good guy? Darth Cheney would like to confuse us and say otherwise, but I stopped listening to Darth Cheney after his first utterance in public life. The man's a fascist lumatic who proved the Murphy's Law concept doesn't always work very well.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Chef Jeff, I have long respected your comments and continue to do so. However, Obama's long standing collaborations with profound Communist individuals and organizations such as Saul Alinsky, Bernie Sanders, the Weathermen, Acorn, Code Pink, MoveOn, Democratic Socialists of America, et al. have already been dealt with in this Hub and are indisputable. Most of the time that he spent in Chicago was in profound involvement with almost unanimously socialist / communist organizations. I see no clear line between socialism and communism thus tend to use the terms interchangeably. Simply because Obama did not take the politically suicidal step of carrying a CPA card does not in any way detract from his profound Marxist views which he is currently implementing as American policy. Could any avowed card carrying Communist have dealt with the GM and Chrysler situations in a way that would be more in line with Marx & Engels? The majority of the shares of Chrysler were given to the unions without a penny exchanging hands! If that isn't nationalization on behalf of the proletariat, then I'm Tom Cruise.

If it walks like a Commie and quacks like a Commie, it must be a Commie. Therefore, my opinion is that based on the hard facts on the President's background which cannot be disputed, Barack Hussein Obama is a Communist. I have no more fear of stating what I clearly understand to be the facts about Obama's ideology than I have to state that George W. Bush was a right wing nutcase. I find it very interesting how in the majority of American society it is perfectly PC to call right wingers extremists and crazies, but those charges can never be levied against the left without provoking widespread outrage.

Ivan the Terrible, stating the indisputable fact that Cheney is a right wing lunatic does not diminish the weight of the evidence and the charges against Obama. And as a man who has lived extensively in the USA and Europe, I can assure you that I cannot possibly agree with your statement that there is "a lot more personal freedom in Europe."

Now I hope you guys enjoy:

http://hubpages.com/politics/How-To-Nationalize-GM...


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

LOL Hal, told ya! They just don't listen. And those are mostly very bright people who normally do think for themselves. Yet either this idea is so scary or public education is so successfull in brainwashing - it blocks the thinking altogether. Sad...


Writer Rider 7 years ago

Ummm...yeah. I'm really buying that one (not).


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Misha, (not that I'm comparing Obama to one but...) sociopaths long ago learned the subtle trick of seeming friendly, likeable, honest, and well-meaning. Therefore when jurists were confronted with evidence that Ted Bundy had killed over 30 innocent people, they reacted in disbelief since he was so attractive, well-spoken, and seemed an all-round "great guy." Communists seeking to bamboozle a population in order to rapaciously gain power and position act exactly as sociopaths. Masters of oratory and promoting their cult of personality, they come into power on a populist platform, and are readily welcomed by the people as the "savior" who will release them from their troubles. Yet, (as you well know, Misha) 100% of the times, the troubles for the people have barely begun. I cannot fault supporters of Obama for refusing to address the evidence that is right before their eyes: They are Bundy jurors. And I agree with you: Sad.

Writer Rider: What are you buying? My just released autobiography "A God Walks Among Us: The Story Of Hal Licino's Genius, Greatness & Unparalleled Virility?" :)


Writer Rider 7 years ago

Hal, the political concept your promoting here. The last comment on your hub was meant as irony since you published so many hubs today (or the same hub actually).


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Writer Rider you'd be better off buying my book, genuflecting, and sending me your prayer request along with a $500 tax deductable tithing donation. :) And exactly what do you mean by publishing the same Hub? Did you even bother to read them? And are you aware that I'm doing the 100 Hub challenge? Hello?


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DynamicS 7 years ago from Toronto, Canada

I've read all your ramblings about political theories, some relevant, some not, what I'd like to know is, what do you think is the solution to this economical mess that we are in? Obama certainly didn't create it, now he's trying to fix it...

It serves no real purpose haggling over the problem, if you have no solution? What political/economical ideology would bring us out of a recession and put food on the tables of ordinary Americans/Canadians, as a mtter of fact the world?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

I have no problem at all addressing these issues. You will find that I have already proposed a very effective, if dramatic, solution in various Hubs including:

http://hubpages.com/politics/The-Simple-Answer-To-...

A more immediate, and likely more voter-palatable way to proceed is simple, direct, and immediately implementable: Stay true to the course that the United States of America has been on for 233 years up until Jan. 2009. Keep the government in the business of maintaining infrastructure, creating and enforcing legislation, defending the nation, and conducting foreign diplomacy: Not in the boardroom of publicly traded corporations. GM goes under? So what? The 12 million cars that are currently being sold are going to continue to be sold... they might not have the Chevy bowtie on them but they might have the Ford blue oval, or even the Toyota or Honda symbols of their vehicles BUILT IN NORTH AMERICA. North American workers will still have jobs, cars will continue to be built, and we would not be opening the door to the wholesale, inexplicable, unwarranted, unprecedented, and effectively treasonous betrayal of every tenet the Founding Fathers ever established.

The government has many tools at its disposal to "guide" industrial and manufacturing development, such as creating tariffs and providing tax breaks for purchasers of North American built vehicles. A series of incentives on North American built vehicles of ANY brand, backed by tax savings and other legal and legitimate government stimuli is the only proper and constitutional way to proceed. Informing the CEO of GM to step down and taking over 89% of the company by eliminating with the stroke of a pen the legitimate property rights of the company's investors is not a process that is acceptable to the basic ideology of the American people. It is communism, and that's all there is to that.

You are Americans! You saved the world in 1945! You established the Pax Americana, which has held for so many decades! You outwitted, outlasted and outplayed the greatest nemesis the 20th century had seen in the USSR. You have a manifest destiny which is much greater and stellar than jumping to just selling it all out to communism simply because you're hit a few bumps in the road and you're in a bit of a financial bind! Come on now! Don't the words Liberty, Freedom, Free Enterprise, & The American Way mean anything to you any longer? Have you become so fat, apathetic, bored, stupid and hapless that you are abandoning your rightful role as the beacon of the greatness of democracy to the world?

Communism must NEVER take root in America. EVER! How many millions of your soliders have died on the battlefield defending the right of all Americans to freedom? How dare any American spit on their graves?

I find it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo interesting that no one has picked up the gauntlet I set down to explain why Obama's policies are not purely and wholly Marxist.

Verrrrrrrry interesting... :)


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Lady Rogue 7 years ago from Cleveland Heights, Ohio

WOW-- You keep throwing the term "Marxist" around trying to incite the "Red Scare" anew. I have a bit of news for you: America never has been and never will be in danger of becoming a Communist country. If you find similarities between our President's decisions and Marxism, Keynes (ism?), or Budhism---SO WHAT?! Our country is in the throes of a crisis the likes of which has not been seen since the 1930's. Real people are really suffering and we don't care if OUR President invokes the spirits of Christmas Past, Present AND Future to solve the multiple, urgent problems that must be solved in OUR country. Your gaunlet, like your tirade, is moot.

Oh, and another thing... I find it terribly presumptuous of you to call for the impeachment of a president who won an election in which you did not vote. You are entitled to your opinion but you make yourself ridiculous in your presumption. I find it interesting that you so blithely insult your own county's socialized medicine. Must be nice. Perhaps your energy would be better used in perfecting what you see wrong in Canada, since like, you live and participate (presumably) in the political structure there. Thanks, but we are quite capable of evaluating and censuring our leaders.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Nonsense. There is no Red Scare since the Red is in the White: The White House. I have news for you. America through its actions in EVERY SINGLE BAILOUT since January 2009 has implemented Marxist theory in its purest form. If you disagree with that, it means you don't understand squat about Marx. Your attitude is the EXACT ATTITUDE WHICH WILL DEMOLISH THE USA. The problem must be solved, no matter which devil you sell your soul to.

You are so wrong that it profoundly saddens me.

I will continue to call for the impeachment of Mr. Obama, the overthrow of Mr. Chavez, or any other strongly held opinion I have. In your haste to throw away your Constitution, it seems Americans through fear, timidity, and obduracy are also turning against the First Amendment.

They can throw me off HubPages, but they can't shut me up. I will continue to stand up for what is right if I have to stand up on a soapbox in the park.

Canada's socialized medicine is a grim Iron Curtain age joke. Come and experience it for yourself and see what you think. I am politically active in Canada, and since it seems that the majority of Americans seem to have fallen under the Cult Of Personality implemented through time-honored Communist processes dating back to Lenin, it just may be that you need a non citizen who knows your country very well, having spent nearly two decades there, TO KICK YOU IN THE ASS AND WAKE YOU UP.

I have a great idea for Americans. Tighten your belts, stop drinking $5 lattes, throw your PCs and videogames away, and start working to build tangible products, earn your living from the sweat of your brows, JUST LIKE YOUR GRANDPARENTS DID IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION... IT DIDN'T KILL THEM AND IT WON'T KILL YOU! Not only will you get through this crisis in health and happiness, but you will also discover that the meaning of joy in this life is not how many Bentleys you have in your driveway, but the satisfaction of doing a job and living your life in honor, honesty and integrity.


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Lady Rogue 7 years ago from Cleveland Heights, Ohio

Wow--You are so incredibly and obviously ignorant that you have convinced yourself you know something. I've wasted enough life on you today. Go in peace and in search of a clue.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

I will gratefully and graciously accept your conclusion as to my ignorance. Kindly provide one shred of evidence to prove that assumption. Until then, you are just another typically blind, perfunctory, lethargic, doe-eyed American being led to the slaughter with a big smile on your face and an equally big OBAMA: YES WE CAN button on your shirt. As I stated previously, the direction your great country has adopted profoundly saddens me, as does the fact that your attitude is shared by countless millions of your citizens.

God Save America. I think he's the only one who can at this point. :(

And FYI, one more time, I have stated repeatedly that I do not believe Obama is "evil." I am convinced he is a nice guy and means well. His only problem has been his communist indoctrination at the hands of known terrorists. He truly believes he is on the correct course. And his tragic misunderstanding threatens the entire world far more than any North Korean missiles or Iranian nuclear plants.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

Yeah Hal, it's a tough case, a product of public education LOL


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Dang, Misha. I think we had better get that long-rumored political party of ours geared up and running. Somebody's got to straighten out these Americans before they fall off the cliff and take everybody with them. It might just have to be a Canuck and a Ruskie! :)

Yes, we should start at public education.

I have a great one for you. A friend in his early 30s was over yesterday when I was putting up that

http://hubpages.com/politics/How-To-Nationalize-GM...

Hub. He saw that image of the Statue of Liberty holding the Hammer & Sickle. Just for fun I asked him if he recognized either one of those symbols. He shrugged his head.

He didn't know the Statue of Liberty. He didn't know what the Hammer & Sickle was.

Public education? No, more like Public emasculation! AAAARRRGGGHHH!


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida

Excellent Hub, Hal!!!!! I couldn't agree with you more! I have wanted to write something like this ever since Obama started putting his insane, Socialist policies into action. You have said it better than I ever could!!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thank you Anna Marie Bowman! Much appreciated! I've found that on these comments I'm getting either enthusiastic high fives or vehement thumbs down. Glad to see that you're in the former category!

It does go to show the polarization which Obama has brought to the USA. We can only pray that this will be resolved in the proper manner which will allow America to remain the greatest nation in the world!


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida

I didn't read the comments before posting mine, but I know what you mean. I wrote a hub about Obama and why I thought he was wrong for the US during the election. I got a lot of comments supporting me, and a lot of negative comments, some calling me racist. I hope that you haven't received any such hateful comments!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Anna Marie Bowman, I've received death threats that I've had to take to the police on Hubs as innocuous as stating that it's ridiculous to polish your CPU with soapy water and sandpaper. I receive hateful comments calling me every name in the book (and some that aren't even in the book yet) on a regular basis. Just falls off like soapy water (without sandpaper) off a duck's back! :)


Madame X 7 years ago

Hal- Great hub. Yes, Obama is a communist. All anyone has to do is look at his actions. Forget his history or associations, etc. Look at what he is doing RIGHT NOW. Last time I looked, these weren't the actions of the president of a free republic.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Madame X, RIGHT ON!

Obama has to be LEGALLY, ETHICALLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY stopped. Now. Before the precipice is breached!


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

It sooooo heartening to know that there are still some sane people in this country :)


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lindagoffigan 7 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

The writer who initiated this controversy could write a thorough thesis on communism but would have a difficult time showing relevance to President Obama. I am only addressing this issue because a request was made to do so. I would rather not honor the remarks with a response but as I have been sought after to do so here goes.

Americans are not ignorant people and they are not locked the the times before the Berlin wall fell. The quotes that are deemed to be relevant to President Obama during the 1917's and the 1949's are unfounded. Believe it or not the 21st century are upon of and Americans voted for change. Now that the president has been in office for less than a year all of the naysayers are thinking that they have a target to bring up their own unfounded rhetoric. Are you better off than under President Bush? Why isn't Nancy Pelosi the subject as she was a witness to real issues of waterboarding terrorist. Why do those looking for a bit of attention always goes for the leader and in this case President Barack Obama?

The act of calling politicians and other leaders communist were prevalent during the Viet Nam era. American needed a President of Hope after the rich loving former President Bush put the country in this economic mess by favoring the rich and tumbling the housing system.

Also President Obama can not work alone to extend your unemployment benefits, increase funds for college student's Pell Grant, move to universal health care for all, work to save the economy by working with major automaker, to rid credit card abuser which happened to be the trusted banks and make homes more affordable by helping first time home buyers with $8,000 tax credits. President Obama needs the confirmation of both the House and the Senate to get this done. So write your congressman and talk about Nancy Pelosi.

Comment rendered by request only.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

Uh-oh, insanity and ignorance still prevail though :(


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DynamicS 7 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Linda, well said. "If you are not apart of the solution, you are a part of the problem." Those who are so unhappy with President Obama's policies, should get involved with lobbyist group for their cause and become a part of the solution.

It was mindset similiar to those negative ones that I've read today that gave birth to the assassination of some of our most prolific leaders in history.

Freedom of speech require responsibility...


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Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

Well, Hal you certainly are entitled to your opinion and to prove it however you want to, but I am happier here in Europe than I was in America where I was born.  I remember Canada also with fond memories and it is a neat place to visit.  No, I didn't whimp out on the draft, for those of you who might think so.  I did my time in Viet Nam fighting for the freedoms that America boasts about, and I found those freedoms sadly curtailed by those who wanted me to think, act and spout dogma the way they thought it should be spouted.

In that sense people in America are not very free because they feel as if they are being watched by Big Brother, a feeling I know does not pervade Europe these days. And ultra-religious people have a huge influence over the government there, trying to make their views the only views considered by the government.  I have even seen attempts to rewqrite history in a fashion that would have made either Hitler or Stalin or Mao proud.

No nation is perfect and I doubt that Obama will bring the U.S. down any further than Bush & Cheney did in their terms in office.  Indeed, Cheney may have brought the U.S. to the brink of destruction by his far-right extreme meddling in the COnstitution and laws of the U.S. That man did extraordinary things and then had the guts to say he was doing them legally.  He wasn't, he got away with it, and thus began to chip away at the Constitution you say Obama is ruining.  Well, if Obama is doing what you say, then he is just following the precedents of presidents and vice-presidents who have gone before him.

One other thing.  Here is Spain I am surrounded by people with widely different political ideologies than my own.  Some of my friends at the cofe talks (tertulias) are indeed die-hard Communists.  that doesn't make me one of them.  I am a Socilaist, yes, but not a Communist.  My idea of socialism  has more to do with sustainable democracy and freedoms for all, not with strict government control over everyday lives of people.  Maybe that is a different definition than what you use, but that is how we view Socialism in this country.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

lindagoffigan: I've just written a Hub entitled Top 20 Events Which Prove Obama Is A Marxist Communist

http://hubpages.com/politics/Top-20-Events-Which-P...

Please read that and then you can come back here and retract your statement:

"The writer who initiated this controversy could write a thorough thesis on communism but would have a difficult time showing relevance to President Obama."

I lived in a former Iron Curtain country and during that time I never EVER EVER met anyone who claimed to be a communist. When you read through the Top 20 you do have to ask yourself if Mr. Obama was born with a commie magnet in his head. For someone whose supporters claim is not a communist he does seem to have spent every waking moment up to his ears in Marxists.

I have gone on record as stating that George W. Bush was the worst President in history to have completed a term. The jury is out on history's pronouncements on Mr. Obama until his first term is over.

Nancy Pelosi has her own very troubling connections with Marxists. However, she is not the issue here as she is not the President of the United States.

I couldn't care less for attention. I have long written that I am on HubPages because I enjoy it, not to squeeze an extra nickel or two out of my Adsense ads.

Now... can you tell me who this mysterious "requester" of comments is... Hmm... me thinks something's afoot! The Hal Conspiracy starts heating up! :)

Misha: It is up to us to prove our points through the forceful and undeniable truth of our arguments, and thus convince all people of good faith, regardless of their current viewpoint, that Obama's policies represent a clear and present danger to the very existence of the United States of America... having said that, I too shake my head at some of the commenters' completely misguided beliefs. But it's heartening to see so many stand up for this viewpoint which cannot be convincingly shot down, and has not been to date.

DynamicS: I have gone on record on several occasions as to my desire to have Obama removed from office LEGALLY, ETHICALLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY. I do not now nor have I ever advocated violence or assassination of anyone. I believe that is a sterling example of freedom of speech embraced and condoned by the First Amendment.

Ivan The Terrible: Don't get me wrong, America today is a far more paranoid, suspicious, and dogmatic nation than it was when I spent all that time there. Americans have now been brainwashed into seeing a terrorist behind every mailbox and fire hydrant. Bush/Cheney were a very rare team and one that with any luck at all the United States will never have to endure again, but I completely disagree with your statement that they did more damage than Obama could. Obama is literally excavating the very constitutional basis of the structure of the entire nation. Hasta luego amigo! :)


Madame X 7 years ago

Hal- I've been reading your comments in response to everyone and I must say, you are a gentleman. Something I can't apply to myself - it boils me when people post and do not back up their comments with fact. 

So does it make sense to have a large segment of the population shout that the sky is green without backing it up? But hey, they're all saying it. It must be so. They can shout, stomp, or calmly discuss that Obama isn't a communist - it still isn't true. They can talk about how bad Bush was, how repressive the religious right is, how we needed hope and change. Or even that he can't do what he is doing alone and that he needs congress to back him up (also a bunch of communists - they're leftists aren't they). It still doesn't change the fact of his actions.

And as far as living in another country goes, America is under massive attack. We are the last bastion of the truly free. As soon as they get us to dump our Constitution, through the actual changing of laws, or by so-called "lawful regulation", America - the Free Republic, is over. Then when socialism is firmly established, and they have all the power, i.e. we no longer have our individual sovereignty, they will let up on the pressure and it will feel as comfortable as European countries, because the people have no real power. They do not have individual sovereignty.

And to those of you who think it's ok to be communist - you couldn't even post your opinion if the state said you couldn't.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Oh, Madame X, I've done more than my share of being quite ungentlemanly in replies to many of the comments on my 961 Hubs. However, those dealt with fairly insignificant subjects such as motorcycles, CPUs, and cuisine. I profoundly believe that this topic just may be the single most important issue in the world today as we are at the crossroads which could bring either a return to greatness for the United States of America, or a precipitous and disastrous fall into hell.

Obama's policy implementations are textbook Marxism, and you are absolutely correct in stating that Karl would be proud. You're also absolutely right that under communism commenters would be silenced. I also agree that America is under attack and in far greater peril than even during Pearl Harbor. America faced defeat by the Axis powers but beat back that danger through selfless sacrifice, hard work, and perseverance. However, the very essence of the nation's ideological structure has never been threatened directly from the head of its own government, and thus this peril is far more insidious and difficult to eradicate.

I have admitted it: I like Obama as a person. He is smart, witty, funny, intelligent, and animated. I have stated before that I'd love to buy him a beer and have a fun chat which I believe we both would enjoy. I wish him nothing but the best. Just outside of the Oval Office.


projectbuilder 7 years ago

Excellent hub! There is a great video on YouTube about the People's stimulus package and presents even more of truth about the state of this nation. We need change alright, but not the kind this nation is getting and fixing to get more of.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks projectbuilder. I'll go seek out that video and check it out!


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

I respect your right to voice opposition to President Obama, but believe you have perverted what the President is doing and are playing the communism card. 1950s politically strategy is not what is needed right now, we need answers.

The right wing seems to forget that nobody forced these companies to go to the government seeking help. Nobody forced these companies to seek bailouts. They could have gone under, but chose to seek government help. That help comes with conditions to protect the taxpayers. It is simply a matter of contract, we will give you money if you do the following. They agreed. Part of that agreement was to get the unions to agree to take less; which they have. The bond holders, who made loans to struggling companies, won't budge. Yet another problem created by the financial industry.

However, we do have common ground. President Bush should have said no to the financial sector bailouts. President Obama should have said no to the Car companies and the second round of bailouts to the financial sector. Let the companies fail. As it seems now, they all have taken the money and wasted it and all are coming back for more. Let them fail.

Good read though and only history will judge how this will all work out.


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usmanali81 7 years ago

Obama has strong roots in New Conservatives and Freemasons. His actions are clear, leading the people towards NEW WORLD ORDER: one tyrant order for all; no hanky panky, which ultimatly be run by the Anti-Christ-Dajjal in the near future. These ideologies are worst than Communism, Marksism and Capitalism. The call of the hour is, expose their hidden agendas and unjust plots to rule the world with the so called great one eyed Anti christ; the one who was also praised and worshiped by the tyrant Pharaohs of Egypt . Turn your one dollar bill and look at the masonic seal on left, they are always there with all of you in your pockets.


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

TO USMANALI81

If I'm not mistaken MANY OF AMERICAS founding fathers were freemasons George Washington,Ben Franklin,James Madison and Thomas Jefferson .I think your mistaken about the freemasons .You may be thinking of Masons but not all Masons.Don't let your views of some denegrate others just because your from a group doesn't mean that a similar sounding group are one and the same


Amy G 7 years ago

Geez Hal,

In a previous post, you said:

"I have a great idea for Americans. Tighten your belts, stop drinking $5 lattes, throw your PCs and videogames away, and start working to build tangible products, earn your living from the sweat of your brows, JUST LIKE YOUR GRANDPARENTS DID IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION... IT DIDN'T KILL THEM AND IT WON'T KILL YOU! Not only will you get through this crisis in health and happiness, but you will also discover that the meaning of joy in this life is not how many Bentleys you have in your driveway, but the satisfaction of doing a job and living your life in honor, honesty and integrity."

I couldn't agree more, and I couldn't have said it better. Sometimes I just wonder what it must have been like during the second world war, when Americans came together to WORK TOWARD a common goal. What a great time it must have been to be an American.For those here who disagree with you - I'm saddened that there are so many who can't see the big picture. They confuse Rights and Responsiblity, and those words are not interchangeable.


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trooper22 7 years ago from Chicago

Wow, now this is truly a SPUN hub. But it is your right to say it. I fought for that right. Drivel on top master.


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lindagoffigan 7 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Misha, name calling and labels are not at the level that hubpages writers want to operate.

I commend Hal Licino on being a prolific writer and producing over 900 hubpage articles. However, Misha, you have only produced a few hubpages in the two years that you have been a hubpage writer. So I think the insanity and ignorance label has been placed erroneously.

Ivan the Terrible, I agree with your comment. President Obama has only been in office for less than a year and he is being labelled also with a record to prove otherwise. If you read the comments, very few people are actually addressing anything that President Obama has had a hand in except the automaker deals that has been on a downhill road from inception. Also big companies do not fall within a president's within four months of office. The logical thing to do would be to research the days of the Bush administration for a point of origin of the "economic mess."

A president does not deal with only one aspect of governing, he must deal with all facets of government. Yet the rhetoric here has been mostly on cars and communism. Why? Because people have a tendency to look at their concerns instead of looking at the concerns of other.

I am glad that Hal Licino found a reason to write another hubpage article as that is the purpose of the website, to share thoughts and ideas. I cannot take the comments about President Obama seriously unless more substance is given to both sides and with more issues.

By answering the request by Hal Licino to support my views about the president, I was placed in the same predicament. Name calling and accusations are for the ones who are less versed in the subject matter except for what is privvy to them.

As I enjoy contributing to the Hubpage website with useful and relevant articles not so much for the small change that Misha referenced but for the interaction of people with common goals and ideas; I can not visit this post again. I have a fan base to support and do not want one of them to stumble across this post and think that I am interested in controversial topics that have no end and no solution. This post concludes what I meant by "unfounded controversy."


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

I don't remember calling any names here Linda, but if you feel I did, I apologize.

Would you do me a favor and speak for yourself, and not for "hubpages writers" in general. They are a pretty diverse bunch, and not every one of them agrees to your opinion. Thank you :)

Also, I fail to see what the number of hubs published has to do with this conversation, other than attempting to push my buttons :)

Now we all are eagerly waiting for you to finally put forth some evidence supporting your views :)


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

bgpappa, thank you for your comments and stating the right to free speech: That is the greatness of the American democratic system which is completely lacking in all communist nations. Of course we need answers, but none of them are to be found within the musty and universally discredited halls of communism. Yes, the corporations sought help. So what? I think I'm going to go talk to Prime Minister Stephen Harper to ask him to subsidize my Hub writing to the tune of a few million dollars since I'm indispensable to Canadian literature. Hey, it doesn't hurt to ask, right? However, the chances of me getting a dime out of Harper are zero. You are absolutely right in that we should let them fail. That is the way it should be in FREE ENTERPRISE: entrepreneurs operate businesses; if they do it right, they profit; if they do it wrong, they fail. GM and Chrysler have been building cars that bucked the trend towards fuel economy and modern quality for years. I have to ask the Obamanauts: Why should your tax dollars pay to compensate boardroom stupidity? Should we also have kept Enron and WorldCom afloat?

usmanali81, it is indisputable that the majority of the Founding Fathers were Masons, however, I'm with someonewhoknows in not wanting to place the blame on Masonry. Leave that to the Dan Brown type of writers who try to dig up Renaissance conspiracies.

Amy G, thank you very much, and I truly do believe that most Americans (and Canadians, Europeans, Australians, et al) have become accustomed to the concept of entitlement to luxury and toys. Spoiled rotten.

trooper22, how exactly did we spin it? Please review the Top 20 Events and Top 7 Policies Hubs (link at the end of the article) and by all means inform me of where I have made factual errors.

Misha, please read my next paragraph's comments to lindagoffigan as I am fully supporting your position.

lindagoffigan, Misha and anyone else is welcome to comment on my Hubs. Should I ban you because you are less prolific than me? I'm also profoundly puzzled by your statement of " can not visit this post again. I have a fan base to support and do not want one of them to stumble across this post and think that I am interested in controversial topics". Say what? My dear, in your five short months on Hubpages, you may have come to the mistaken assumption that your 100 or so fans want to be fed sugar coated pablum. If they're really your fans, like my almost 500, they will be extemely interested in reading your true opinions, not just those selected few that you dumb down for them. On your profile you note that you have 5 hubs with a readership of 1,000 or more. That's good. When you get to publishing a single Hub that gets a readership of over 250,000 like me, then you can start making determinations of how Hubpages readers think, ok? (wink wink) :)

As I mentioned to trooper22, please review the Top 20 Events and Top 7 Policies Hubs and then you may retract your statement of "very few people are actually addressing anything that President Obama has had a hand in except the automaker deals". Only one of the Top 7 Policies has anything to do with automakers, but they all have to do with a carbon copy of the 7 basic policies implemented at the beginning of every communist administration including Lenin, Mao, Tito, Castro, Chavez and more. I have stated over and over that I'm not a Bush apologist, but just LET THEM FAIL. Better that than to demolish the very essence of American society! When you ask about substance, what more substance can possibly be presented than what is contained in the Top 20 Events and Top 7 Policies Hubs? This president is being held to a standard which is orders of magnitude BELOW any other president in the history of the United States. The overwhelming force of hard evidence clearly demonstrates to anyone but the absolute most fanatic, blind, hysterical adherent to Obama's Cult Of Personality that he is a socialist, communist, Marxist. Those are all antithecal ideologies to the very existence of the United States of America.

SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE? Shall we deny the fact that the sky is blue or the sun sets in the west now? Obama is a socialist, communist and Marxist. Fact.

Again, WHY WILL NO ONE PICK UP THE GAUNTLET? This is very suspicious indeed. The naysayers comment include nothing but personal opinions. Where are the facts to support your position, ladies and gentlemen? Come on, prove me wrong! State facts! I welcome hard, factual arguments against the indisputable, verifiable referenced facts I have included in the Top 20 Events and Top 7 Policies Hubs. Either that, or just acknowledge that all of my claims about Obama's ideology are 100% correct.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Latest news hot off the press:

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"The 'offer' to individual GM bond investors is ridiculously lopsided because it arbitrarily favors other groups, at the expense of the legal rights, under the U.S. Constitution, of hundreds of thousands of individual GM bond investors," the group said in a statement on its website. GM earlier on Thursday said it had reached a deal with major bondholders that would give them a bigger stake in a reorganized and effectively nationalized automaker and could pave the way for a fast-track bankruptcy by GM within days.

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This is not a case of investors being greedy. They are LEGITIMATELY COMPLAINING ABOUT HAVING THEIR INVESTMENTS STOLEN! This is absolutely no different than the government coming over to your stockbroker and taking 90% of your stock and bond portfolio away. 17.5% of your total portfolio will be given to the people working for you. The other 72.5% will just become government property. No compensation, no nuthin'.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS EXAMPLE AND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT TODAY!

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS THIS ACT!

IF THIS IS NOT COMMUNISM, WHAT THE HELL IS IT?


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bill yon 7 years ago from sourcewall

isn't toronto in canada?what do you mean"we as a race..."?so OBAMA is a marxist,communist?couple of months a go he was the BEAST,before that he was the ANTI-christ,don't you know bush stole the presidency? twice.what do you think about that? how do you feel about lies? how do you feel about rumors?tell me whats going on in canada?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Bill yon, dude, you gotta lay off those Venti Starbuck Lattes. Chill! :)

We as a race means just that. The human race. What direction the USA takes right now will have a huge impact on the future of the entire human race, not just within the confines of the Beltway. I never stated that Obama was the Antichrist or the Beast or anything other than a fundamentally nice guy who is completely misguided in his ideology. As for Bush-Gore, I couldn't care less. I'm interested in today, not rehasing old bull crap about '04. Both of them are loonie tunes, so we wouldn't have been any better off. How I feel about lies? I don't like to be lied to by communists who try to convince me that they're centrists if that's what you mean. Rumors? Fantastic first Fleetwood Mac album. What's going on in Canada? Same old same old, we live in igloos, wear mukluks, and eat seal heart right out of the carcass with our Governor General. :)


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

I sometimes listen to Canadian politics which I find curiously apprearing or disappearing from year to year,one year one party is in power and the next their opponents are in power.Another thing,don't all government employees pledge allegence to the Queen of england before they take office? Do you have a monarchy or not?I know they say the Queen has no real power in England but do they pledge allegence to the Queen in England too.As far as I know they do.Why make a pledge to the Queen if she has no power? Sounds like there is a disconnect there.Either she has power which would make sense if you had to make a pledge otherwise I don't see it.Unless they claim it's just tradition.Even that is suspicious Why keep that "TRADITION"? It's either inocuious or it's not just tradition .Which is it? Real power or tradition.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

ROFLMAO. It is called "you are a fool yourself" in Russian. Nice argument tactic for kindergarten, yet does not work with grown ups, you know :)


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

someonewhoknows, Canada is a monarchy, and unlike our ol' bros in Aussieland, there is effectively no noticeable call for the elimination of the monarchy here. I think the Aussies are just teed off because we dumped the Union Jack Ensign in the 60s and they're still stuck with it. No, the monarchy makes no sense at all, but you'll find most Canadians (especially the ones of Anglo Saxon extraction) find it comfortable, like an old favorite pair of slippers. The Queen's representative, the Governor General actually does have power, and was instrumental in avoiding a coalition government in the last election. I am just not her best friend right now because she ate a raw seal heart a couple of days ago for a photo op. I'm Italian-born, but I think that there is no real reason for Canada to become a republic. Monarchy works just fine in Canada (the little that it actually does).

Misha, a couple of the commenters on these Obama American communism Hubs seem like they are still in kindergarten, so what the heck! :)

BTW, before some Rabid Mac Fan skewers me, RumoUrs wasn't their first album, it wasn't even the first album with Stevie and Lindsay (that was entitled Fleetwood Mac, but curiously it was the second album with the same title that a band with Mick in it issued). I should know as I actually had a copy of the now extremely rare vinyl Buckingham Nicks album!!! :)


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

Did you know that there is a series of five videos of a guy by the name of yono on a website called "HUMANDOG.COM" who claims to be a loyalist to the British crown Check it out and let me know what you think is this guy for real or not.


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

This link will take you directly to the videos I was refering to

http://www.human-dog.com/lab/?cat=7


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

I dunno, man. The guy sounds like he's a bit wacked in the head. But what he is saying is essentially correct, and I do agree with him about the British Empire. As a Canadian I consider myself a loyalist as well. If the British Empire hadn't been ruled by a truly insane nincompoop who only spoke German in the castle, there's an excellent chance that the American Revolution would never have happened and all of world history would be very different.

Actually, this has given me an idea for a Hub: The History Of The British Empire With The USA As A Colony! I might just do that one! Sounds like fun! :)


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Barbara Yurkoski 7 years ago

Stephen Harper, Conservative Prime Minister of Canada, a free market economist, once headed the right-wing Canadian Taxpayers’ Federation which wanted a law passed to ban federal deficits. Now Harper says he had no choice but to take over General Motors and run a deficit. Is Harper undeniably a “Marxist/Communist” too?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

As a Canadian and a former strong supporter of the Reform Party, I can truly and wholeheartedly state that Mr. Harper is an egotistical, megalomaniac political opportunist who will trade in his ideology for whichever one will keep him in 24 Sussex the longest. Mr. Harper has followed Mr. Obama down the path to hell and is leaving the nation with its largest deficit in history which will stunt economic recovery efforts for a decade or more. He has roundly disgusted all former Reformers, including myself, and has long since abandoned any credibility with the right wing Canadian voter.


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Barbara Yurkoski 7 years ago

Good to hear that some Reformers now recognize Harper's true nature.  But when Stephen Harper has to embrace social ownership of the means of production, even for political opportunism, it’s gotta make you wonder if Marx was right about the inherent contradictions of capitalism.

At least Harper isn't adding to a deficit left by 20 years of Republican infatuation with supply side economics.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Harper is a Reformer like I'm an Olympic gold medalist. He simply found a way to use Reform as a stepping stone to achieve his personal ambitions and then was personally and directly responsible for its immolation in what was "supposed" to be a merger with the Conservative party, but turned out to be a shameful sellout. I place far more value on what my garbageman adopts as his ideology than on what Harper does. We cannot use him as an example as there is nothing but blind ambition and egotism there, and he would back any horse that kept him in power. I wouldn't put it past him to don a swastika if it delayed an election call. Therefore if we want to discuss Marxist theory and the sheer unadulterated utter repugnant bollocks that it is, we would be best advised to leave Harper out of this. As for Reaganomics, "your" new President has INCREASED THE NATIONAL DEFICIT IN SIX MONTHS TO A FAR GREATER TOTAL COMBINED AMOUNT THAN IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES FROM 1776 TO 2008! So don't come around dissing supply side or we're gonna git into a good ol' fashioned smackdown! :)

P.S. Nothing personal. But anyone who tries to defend Marxism in any way shape or form is a hapless deluded bozo in my eyes.


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tomdhum 7 years ago from memphis tn

The direction of our country at times does wander at times in a direction that is not best for our country. However stateing that Obama is a communist does not surve the best interest of our country. Makeing statements such as these only causes people to choose sides guided by their emotions. Remember your US History it is our Congress not the president that makes laws. We have a Republic form of government and we choose people to represent us and our wishes. More focus needs to be on congress and not the president as far as what direction our country is going in.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

The White House is the greatest bully pulpit on Earth and the President wields exceptional authority in guiding Congress. I strongly reject your statement that "stating that Obama is a communist does not serve the best interests of our country." You Americans should have thought of the best interests of your country before you elected a Communist to the highest office in the land. You are now in the sixth month of the first Socialist administration in your history and you have lurched far more to the left in that time than even Venezuela did in six months after electing Chavez.

Anyone who resists the conclusion based on the incontrovertible that Obama is a Communist and that his policies will devastate America is a fool who is aiding and abetting the Marxist conversion of the USA.

God help you and God help America at the time of its greatest need.


rocco0607 7 years ago

the truth is right in front of peoples noses and they still refuse to see it. What will they say to you Hal when elections are suspended for the good of the country while martial law is imposed until the country is back on its feet and settled down? We should have listened? Excellent read truthfull and exact to bad so many hide their heads.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks so much for the support rocco0607. Actually the people of the USA could learn a lesson from what happened this weekend in Honduras. The Honduras military should be applauded for stepping in and saving the nation. I wholeheartedly support a similar step WHEN NECESSARY IF IMPEACHMENT FAILS AND WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT in the USA. America must never be allowed to fall into Marxism, no matter what LEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL steps must be taken. The future of the country is very much at stake!


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fortunerep 7 years ago from North Carolina

just don't drink the Kool-Aid.

dori


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

But... but... but... Rev. Jones told me to! :)


Buckbagoo 7 years ago

Everytime you read the words Marx, Marxist, Socialism, or Communism, make sure you lower to tone to a demonic growl. That's how it should be read to get the full effect that the author intends to convey.


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fortunerep 7 years ago from North Carolina

Hal, I am hoping that one day people will understand what I am talking about, I am glad you did, don't drink it now, even if he offers you shares of GM.

lol

dori


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Buckbagoo, sure, why not? For all the human misery that Marx's misbegotten ideology has wreaked on the world, Karl might as well have been Satan.

fortunerep, how did you know that Rev. Jones told me to meet him in Guyana where he was going to hand over a big wad of GM shares, and then join him in a nice refreshing drink of Kool-Aid! It gets really hot down there in the jungle y'know? :)


Diane Gregg 6 years ago

Chrysler should have gone into bankruptcy. That doesn't mean the company would have gone away. K-Mart declared bankruptcy and they didn't go away. The one in my neighborhood didn't even close except for renovations. Bankruptcy courts are very experienced at helping companies restructure. Regarding the U.S. falling into the same patterns as the Soviet Union, you may not like this comment, but the embrace of abortion was one of the first steps in this direction. Most Soviet women had several abortions. In the U.S. the black abortion rate is approaching 50% and the whites and Latinos aren't far behind. The family is the foundation of society and once it goes, so goes the rest of the system.


Consumer Unit 5012 6 years ago

Where's Rush Limbaugh making a tearful final confession of his counter-revolutionary tendencies before his public execution? Where are the CEOs being shipped off to Kansas gulags for re-education? The TVs are still blaring ads, the stock-market continues to make the rich richer, and FOX news continues to have 24-hour coverage of all the ways that voting Democratic can cause cancer.

This has got to be the most half-assed Communist takeover ever.


lori 6 years ago

O-M-G...seriously? This is freaking HILARIOUS!! Communist??!! LOL LOL LOL.


Cath 5 years ago

Are you for real? Obama? A communist? Just because he's helping unions and centralizes a bit more what the private sector can't seem to get right? Look at Europe for two seconds and you'll see that those countries government do way more then the one of the USA and yet, none are communist. The Cold War is over, so stop thinking like communism is still a major threat.


Gene 5 years ago

You people are living in the XBox you spend so much time with..Obama is and has admittd he was a Muslim and Marxist. Where have you people been? Please wake up before its too late..


Matthew 5 years ago

You know what's a lot more scary than communism? People like you.


John F Kellmer 4 years ago

Hal

I thought that what you wrote re: Chrysler was eentirely right/correct. It was a Marxist thing to do. All other commentary to the contrary notwithstanding, really, you are 100 % on target. When (1976-79) I was a student at OSU in Political Science my advisor was an avowed Socialist, and she would have applauded Obama's move to take over the auto industry purely from her philosophical/political standpoint. I'm sure, as well, that Hayek (Friedrich von, not Selma) would support your position. I wish we could charge Obama with treason, and fear that by the time he does commit a treasonous act we will no longer be ruled by the Constitution under which he might be so charged. Marx as explicated by the man himself (or anyone since) and Communism as manifested in the last and present centuries are one and the same. The result is tyranny and death and the denial of liberty and human dignity. No one can gainsay this.

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