How's That "Hope and Change" Thingy Working Out for You?

Never Trust ANY Politician!

As we ride into the third year of a misguided Presidency, lets take a brief look back at the last two years. Remember how people were so giddy back in 2008 about the possibility that here was a man who promised us a "chicken in every pot" and a new era in American politics where transparency would be the watch word and government would be in the sunshine under the blue skies that we all yearned for? Now my next question should be obvious. What the heck really happened? We wanted blue skies and got what instead? My view is we got the same old, same old only it was compounded by a novice who didn't, and still doesn't, know anything about leadership. It's hard to be a leader because a true leader "leads from the front" and not from a distance where the rubber is meeting the proverbial road.

Lets take a look at a memorable video for a minute during a campaign swing where these thoughts were captured on tape. There was a whole lot of sizzle selling going on and some people bit the hook and bit it hard. In her eyes the freebies were about to flow and she was ecstatic, as the video plainly shows. The trouble with freebies is that they aren't really free, someone is paying the tab.

How Exciting Huh?

Some people were euphoric but not this writer. I was skeptical having been involved in voting and analyzing politicians for around four decades. Most of them appear to be career criminals who somewhere along the line decided to make a career of perpetrating political crimes as their vocation in life. In his case, Obama had no discernible record that I could research which didn't exactly evoke giddiness in this writer.

This is a look at life as it has transpired since his actual inauguration. The reality of the situation sinks in faster with some people and not at all with the naive I am coming to believe. One thing I have learned over the years is that we can't just go to the polls then dis-involve ourselves with what these elected officials are doing. You have to admit that way too many of them, once they are there, think they know what is best for the American people more than we ourselves know. We're just the ignorant masses after an election. Yep. We are sometimes ignorant enough to elect Bozo's to lead the circus.

There is no free chicken in every pot. Were you expecting one? Have the basic staples in life become more, or less, affordable during the past two years? What was the price of gasolne when The Smirkster took office in January of 2009? Don't remember? It was $1.81 a gallon and we thought that was high. As of mid-March, the average price has soared to $3,57 a gallon and it goes up a lot faster than it comes down. Food prices have been escalating though the claim is that inflation is flat. I reckon it may be if you live in a bubble where you don't have to do the grocery shopping. Back to the energy issue.

I lived through the gas crisis in the 70's when the Arab nations turned off the spigot and it wasn't a pretty picture. There has been nothing but lip service paid to our energy dependence other than the creation of the tits on the bull that I fondly call The Department Of Energy - a creation of another progressive named Jimmie Carter. So, in the ensuing two years since his anointment, what has Obama done to limit the rise of oil and gasoline prices (scratches head)? Not much huh? The gulf oil spill was unfortunate but his moratorium on drilling in our own waters is even more unfortunate. He has failed to support oil production in ANWR and this further diminishes our ability to pump home grown gasoline and other products that are petroleum based. Don't lose sight of the fact, my fellow Americans, that the guy is a closet tree hugger himself and that is one of his special interest groups.

Touch now on the unemployment issue that is niggling the nation. When lonesome George left office the rate was 7.3% which is too high I have to admit. From that point it has gotten worse even with Smirky having the "benefit (?)" of both houses of Congress being under his control. It has risen to as high as 10.1% and remained above 9.5% from July 2009 through November of 2010. I'm being factual here and not pulling numbers out of the hat if you've been following the trend. What was his answer to this crisis? Something I now refer to as The Stimupork Bill, which was a disaster of an idea from an economic perspective. It's called spending money we don't really have in the first place.

The government isn't in the private enterprise business folks, nor should it be. When the government tries to stimulate the economy it seems to have an inverse effect. I learned that in many an economics class in college. Did you see how the economy surged forward? If you did, please explain where. What we have really seen is a tremendous surge in the deficit to the tune of another 3 trillion dollars in a very short amount of time. We can't keep doing this folks. Run your household on this type of theory and see where you end up - a bankruptcy court. I happen to be a small business owner and what I have been experiencing since he took office isn't exactly a surge in consumer confidence where they aren't counting every penny they have.

Yikes! Next up are foreclosures Remember how old Peggy thought Smirksalot was going to pay her mortgage for her? I really can't believe that someone can be that stupid, but they're out here among us. I wonder if she has become a foreclosure statistic since that video hit the airwaves? In 2009, we hit a record of 2,827,674 foreclosures and it hit a new all time high of 2,872,892 in 2010. In short, 5.7 million Americans have lost their homes so far during his tenure. A stark reality but reality none-the-less. As one astute writer put it, "At least they're not up late at night anymore worrying about how to pay their mortgage payment."

My last issue in this rant is my being promised "transparency" and not seeing anything close to it. The Smirkster made this promise and I quote, "When there's a bill that ends up on my desk, as President, you the public, will have five days to look on line to find out what's in it before I sign it." Has that been the truth? Is that a reality? Fast forward to former Speaker Pelosi's outrageous statement concerning the health care bill "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it." Holy friggin smokes! Is that any way to run the federal government? How transparent is that? What we experienced, and probably will continue to experience, is another promise reneged on by Obama.

So back to my original question. How's that "hope and change" thingy going for you? I don't care if you don't want to be honest with me. What is important is that you be honest with yourself as you answer that question. Are you better off than you were prior to his ascendancy to the highest office in the land? Is the deficit under control after all the runaway spending we have witnessed? Is there an end in sight or just more rhethoric about mirages in the coming blue sky?

There should be a lesson in all of this for everyone. It is a lesson my mother used to emphasize to me bless her heart and rest her soul. Maybe Obama's mother was on a different sheet of music. The lesson you ask? "Don't make promises you can't keep" is what she told me. They have a tendency to come back and bite you in your froggy, little behind.

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Outstanding hub that tells it like it is. I do not understand how anyone can think this clown is doing a good job, yet he has a loyal following. Maybe he is making Peggy's mortgage payment and we just don't know it. We already know that she is entitled to a free cell phone and a computer and internet service at taxpayer expense. I guess you really can buy loyalty.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

In his own way, Poolman, he is a likable type though a wool puller of the greatest magnitude. My work ethic has been refined over time where I came to the stark realization that if I want something - let the rubber meet the road.


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CMerritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

And let's not forget how he is going to reduce our deficit and close Guantanamo Bay.

Excellent hub....


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

C Merritt - I think most of the people sitting up there can't balance a check book, much less the federal budget. They seem intent on the pennies rather than the dollars that must be axed.

I covered GITMO in a previous article and I knew that would never happen but it showed his followers that he was doing something - anything.


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

There's the beautiful story of the frog turning into a prince, which gives us a hot new hub writer called The Frog Prince.

Then you have the "Barf Bag" liberal story about a "sorta black prince" who actually turned into a "sorta black frog." (Maybe it's a toad.) In any case, this isn't the kind of story we want our kids or grand kids to read.

Commentater: "What say you Mr. Obama?"

Obama: "Uh, uh .. Ribbit!

Up, useful, and awesome FP

jim

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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Jim - I've been told by some that you have to kiss a lot of toads to find a frog! 53% of our unlearned voting populace kissed one of the biggest toads in the nation so now we all pay a very dear price.

I still believe there should be a test administered before one is allowed to vote. Maybe cover a subject like the contents of the US Constitution for starters. I could write a good one that would wash out many people from going into the booth and looking for the "D" or the "R" beside someone's name.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

"Hope and Change" is not working out well for anyone except Obama, his cronies, and his various political beneficiaries. He has failed on all metrics: budget, economy, foreign relations, rule of law, affirmative duty, national security, you name it. Maybe the only promise he actually kept is the one about the "chicken in every pot;" every pot is boiling an average American citizen.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - Your last sentence has me falling out. Sorry I missed your return calls yesterday. It was a bit hectic yesterday and I was worn out when it was over. Will talk soon though buddy.

The Frog


Stu From VT 5 years ago

OK, cool, thanks.


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Frog, Two things.

1- How stupid were American's to vote for this incmpetent fool?

2- Again, how stupid are American's that still are following him. H


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Harvey - I think the answer to both questions is the same - insanely stupid. They so badly wanted to vote "against" George Bush that they voted for this inexperienced, unqualified pretender. The #2 people are the personality type that will never, ever admit they make mistakes.


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Frog, I have many friends that supported B.O. and still do. It seems many of the higher educated are so ignorant when taken out of their specialty. You are correct, they do never say they were wrong. H


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Froggy,

I never bought into this snake oil salesmans whole messianic mo-jo. He was and is so full of himself and his hollier than thou attitude-Obama is too busy partying

and "livin large". His hope and change wwas and is "He hopes you don't see the change he is pushing/shoving down out throats." great job

TH


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Another point pertinent to the discussion at this stage. Obama and Biden "looked" presidential in the election debates. McCain shot himself in the foot by appearing visibly nervous when his poll numbers dropped. And Palin made a very bad impression by publicizing her internecine wars with her campaign team. While McCain is largely a RINO, and Palin needs more experience (especially in federal law and foreign affairs) before she can make a credible POTUS run, a McCain/Palin ticket would have been a hell of alot better than what we got.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Tom - All I can say is, "I hope I have some change left in my pocket when this is all over."

Stu - Biden's latest gaff at "civil discourse" has him comparing the Republican budget cut proposals to claiming a rape victim is the cause of a rape. Someone better put a muzzle on old Joey.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Biden has always been incendiary. The election campaign team did a great job at not letting "Joe be Joe." But now he is in Camelot, and the campaign team is gone. So it's back to "business as usual."


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Frog, I'm hoping for change, I no longer have bills. H


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Harvey - Brother can you spare a dime? LOL


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog - call Ben - he created 290,000,000,000,000 of them in FY 2010.


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Frog, Do you accept pesos?

Stu, I wish I had them. All I am abel to handle are my vaults full of gold. Hold on the other line. I'm back, that was the FED. They needed a loan, I told them to contact Soros. H


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Harvey - Only if I have to Press 1 for English. LMAO


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Frog, No comprendo! H


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Harvey,

Wish I could reply, but Arabic is now the only permitted language. Give me about 5-10 years to get up the learning curve, and I'll see if I can help somehow.

"Press 1 for Arabic"

"Press 2 for Arabic training"

"Press 3 to end this phone call"


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Stu, I pressed 3 because I don't know which America you speak of.

Does Vermont still have more cows than people?

I worked in Boston in 1971, when I was 22. Hard to believe, I was a technical School Director. My secretary was from Vermont, beautiful and wore the shortest skirts I've ever seen. Every male candidate I interviewed told me how great her legs looked, as I signed them up. H


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Yes!!! VT DOES have more cows than people!!

Glad we were able to send a nice gift from VT!


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wesleycox 5 years ago from Back in Texas, at least until August 2012

This is an excellent article that brings up many interesting points, however, as an active duty Soldier it is my duty to support the commander in chief whether I want to or not. Let's just say November 2012 isn't soon enough. Hope I got the date right. What do you think of this whole Libya issue?


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Wesley,

I know you were issuing your questions to Frog, but if I may let me offer some of my opinions.

Your duty to obey the president or orders from other superiors is limited to the legality of those orders. You in fact have an affirmative duty to disobey any order you believe is unconstitutional or in violation of federal code. While Gaddafi is a madman, the president engaged in military action solely based on UN sanction, without getting approval from Congress, which is illegal.

I too hope Obama is thrown out on his ear, and replaced with a TPM president. The bad US jobs situation will help the right wing with centrist votes (without a portion of which neither party can win), but a TPM POTUS may be frightening to moderates.

The Lybia issue is indeed frightening. As horrible as Gaddafi is, it is very likely that if he falls, Lybia will align itself with Iran, as is also strongly expected in Egypt, Tunisia, Iraq (when we exit), and Turkey. The government shakeups occuring in these countries will inevitably result in Islamic radicaliztion of the governments, because that is what the majority of the people there want.

The next POTUS/Congressional vote will be on 11/2/12, but the winners will not be inaugerated and seated until 1/20/2013 (i.e., there is a three month "lame duck" period).

In spite of how bad the current regime is in Lybia, I'm not convinced that the UN was correct in authorizing foreign attack. A large scale genocide would certainly be a valid reason for such an authorization, but in Lybia we merely had a scenario of troops using force against protesters. While this force may have been totally immoral, the UN is essentially taking the opinion that substantive "police excesses" are a valid pretext for foreign invasion. Of course, the majority of the countries that voted in favor of the intervention were not casting their vote for the reason of this pretext; the reality is that they simply want Gaddafi to fall so Lybia can fall into the radical Shiite sphere led by Iran. And just like in Egypt, by supporting the protesters and humiliating Mubarak, we fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Geopolitically, we have to be the stupidest nation on earth.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Wesley - I retired as Clinton started talking about reducing the armed forces by 50%. He claimed, at the time, that the world was about to be a peaceful place which turned out not to be true. I could have stayed but decided that I had serious problems with my C-of-C being a draft dodger and evading service like he did.

As it turns out, the world is hardly a peaceful place to live for the reasons we have all been witnessing. But the decimation of troop strength and then our involvement once again in both Iraq and Afghanistan has left the remainder of the force on an unsustainable troop rotation. I feel for them and their families. It places a terrible burden on both our armed forces and the personal relationships they have with their loved ones.

I was a warrior for so many years but now I fight a different type of war. As far as Libya goes, Goofball threatened genocide as he started marching on the protester's strongholds. He's mad enough to have carried that threat out and in fact was well into the works of doing so. Establishing a no-fly zone to prevent that, to me anyway, should have happened long before it did.

I oppose any boots on the ground, of that you can rest assured. You guys have enough on your plate without having another helping served up. The outcome of Libya is beyond anyone's guess but, as proven in Iraq, our armed forces do not have sufficient troop strength to occupy a country. I thank Bill Clinton for that error in judgement. I hope I answered sufficiently and may God bless you, yours and The United States of America. We need his blessing at the current time more than ever.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

I haven't voted for Mr. Obama. But it sure was delightful to see that color in there after all the white bland toast we've had in the oval office.

What we need is another Bush to raise gas prices more and continue the suppressing of other energy sources.

Yes sir! I like a white cracker America that will kill everyone else on our planet. I tell you it's good to see a bunch of good ole boys (and women) wanting to lynch a president of another color. That would really help heal the nation after the debacle of the republican presidency of Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton (the best republican ever-could hardly tell he was republican at all), GW Bush, and the Dick Cheney presidency.

I can't figure out that democratic party and they can't either. That president Obama should have known from the start that we right wing fascists would stop anything he would ever do to improve America and the world.

But, "we" know that the democratic party is just another wing of our "right wing".

I sure am glad to be over here with other racists who believe our country would be better if we took it back a hundred years or so.

Gee willickers! We should at least go back to Tricky Dick Richard Milhouse Nixon! Now that guy knew how to lie better than all of us.

I love that, "I am not a crook" speech.

But Reagan was a class act. He and Nancy were THE image America loves. Of course they both had permanent smiles on their faces from plastic surgery but that just goes along with their illusion of being Christian too. Never mind that when they were to partake in communion, they didn't know what to do! Man! Now that was a class ACT!

So what's next guys?

Will we ever see those "welfare mothers" in that "prison home" that the politician running for grand poobah of New York wanted?

I hope Americans never really grasp the facts that they've been sold out by the political parties. But heck- if they haven't figured out that the republican party is nothing but a private club for millionaires by now- they never will.

By the way - there are still some textile operations going on here in the US. Not many mind you. We might want to get Tommy Hilfrigger on top of this.

I know there's a sweatshop in a country we've never heard of that will make it all cheaper and we can continue the assault on the American worker. They were getting a bit uppity with their demands for fair pay, health-care and all.

What else can we cut and gut? Let's do something about this bottom line here for God's sake.

We can always start another war. Or we can just arm and teach other beasts like ourselves to kill. We have Blackwater, now Xe Services and you know they want to do their part to kill hundreds of thousands like the Indonesians trained in the US to kill the East Timorese by the hundreds of thousands. we'll, fuel any war with weapons like the M16s we gave the Indonesians.

Of course our crown may always be the millions of people who were killed in Vietnam. Those were crazy times eh? Those folks didn't realize they needed to be saved. When you have that- you might as well kill them.

Yep! I am so glad to be over here cutting down a democrat.

I hope we can keep this derision of our country and the world. If we don't- we'll have to obey God or something. You know- His Golden Rule!

Y'all come on over to my place- the beer, white sheets, and crosses are on me.

Now I don't want folks to think we're prejudiced. We hate everybody equally!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

That's quite a diatribe there Mickey.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

I am not a democrat and I know without any doubt the republican party should not exist! It's a war machine and evidence of the stupidity is right here.

The republican party is the party of the rich, war, and slavery. The republican party is a traitor to God and the human race. Don't expect anything different from me. I am a Vietnam Veteran and I will never forgive the lies of the Golf of Tonkin and the lies of Robert McNamara, Nixon, and throw a democrat in there if you want but this party of war should be extinct! Most of the people commenting here are traitors to God and His Golden Rule of treating people with decency.

God is not found with this hate!

Give it up! You're backing the wrong horse. This money machine you support care not one iota for anyone who has died in any war! THEY START THESE WARS!

I am not a democrat but this is ridiculous. Hate yourselves to death. I can't wait!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Micky - from one vet to another. I don't deny too many comments but I deleted your previous one for this exact reason: I like debate, very much so. However, I won't allow anyone to personally attack the opinions of other users. It isn't necessary.

If you read my profile, you will see where I'm coming from. My writing isn't based on hatred BTW. It is based upon what we see happening in Foggy Bottom. It will be critical of whomever, if they seem to be a misguided missile who fails to listen to the wishes of "We, the People..." That is regardless of any political party affiliation.

Politicians are career criminals who decided to make politics their vocation of choice.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

It's okay to attack Micky. It's okay to attack the American citizen with your party.

But why you and some others even follow me is a mystery. I believe in God and His Golden Rule. You nor your party does by the comments of hatred that I see. Delete my comment? I don't care. I don't have an agenda. Your party does.

Jesus gave away food and health-care but your party of "too much" can't figure out a way to give decent people dignity.

Delete all my comments. I don't see you hang much inclination for the truth and I know the GOP doesn't. Delete away. The truth would kill the GOP if it wasn't so prolific with lies.

Delete away. I expect no less from you.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Micky - I haven't attacked you at all. You came on my post and started blasting the comments of other users. I called you on it. You evidently are having a bad day.

As a writer, I understand the rules of blogging. One of them is to "stay on topic." Go back and see what the topic of the article is. Your rants at other users and me are totally off the topic. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. If you continue to stay totally off topic and attack, then I am forced to do nothing else but remove those rants that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

If I came onto one of your threads, which I have, I wouldn't be as impolite and rude as you have been.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Let's see how many are staying on topic above here!

I'm against injustice every day.Rude? Look at the comments. Angry? You people can deprive,hate Americans, love the oppressors and blame Obama for something? Obama will do nothing that money and the GOP don't want.

I am not even an Obama fan. I called your people on their hatred and you turn it around. The Golden Rule is always the topic except for the GOP.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

What you "right wingers" really don't like - is that Micky Dee can catch your lies. Show me a hub on your fellow in-state brothers- the Ravenels. Write a hub about how one was Lt. Gov. right? But he was a cocaine dealer. He paid for his crime mostly in a drug rehab out in Arizona, right? Write a hub about those republicans.

Rude? your "friends" pretty well accuse Obama of cocaine right here in your hubs.

Hey- I'm on topic. As much as anybody.

I'm against corruption. If its anger you see, maybe you're brainwashed. You can have "your" people make all kinds of accusations and insinuations but if Micky calls them on it -he's angry.

Aren't you all precious!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Not liking Obama's policies doesn't equate to hatred Micky. The man is a fish out of water. I'm sure you were screaming at all the people who directed their dislike of Bush and his policies? And told them they were wrong with posting pics of the man as Hilter?

May I suggest you give it a rest. As the writer of the article, which was more an editorial style and I practice quite often, I am given the option of removing someone's comments. When you deride individual users, I will exercise that option. That is my choice, as it is yours.

Not liking a particular politician and his/her policies and voicing that dislike is part of someone's right to express themselves. I have very little regard for politicians as a class. I like your writing, your use of humor and writing style, therefore I read your posts. We have that choice here also - read or don't read.

Many poster here also obviously feel the same way. What I ask anyone to do is be respectful of the other commenter(s). I don't believe that is too much to ask. If you want to pound on a particular knuckle headed politician then have at but we don't need to be pounding on each other.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Micky,

I think you're coming to the right conclusions but for the wrong reasons. The liberals are criminals because they have no respect for the law. They behave like tinhorn dictators, interpreting law however they wish in order to achieve desired end results, as opposed to respecting Congressional intent.

The GOP's are almost as bad in regard to legal (or should I say illegal) activism. They also suffer from a lack of underlying ideology (other than getting reelected). The reality is that most GOP's are centrists, not conservatives (no matter how they label themselves).

I think you would be refreshed if you took a look at the Issues pages of REAL conservatives like Michele Bachmann, Jim DeMint, Mike Pence, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, and a few others at their web sites. They really stand up for obeying the intent of Congress, cutting federal spending, and reducing federal red tape. Yes, their agenda if enacted will be painful (major cuts in federal headcount, social spending, etc.), but it's the only way to stave off financial collapse. Also, unlike the RINO's who make up most of the present GOP, they'll do more than just "block" Obama's agenda, they'll reverse it if they can get enough fellow TPM candidates elected to pass repeals. Especially check out Ron Paul in detail; he's the "Justice Bork" of the Congress. Getting him in real power would be like having Thomas Jefferson come back and clean up over 100 years of federal law breaking and atrocious overspending.

It's easy to get discouraged by the lack of real leadership in Congress and the administration. But just getting angry, apathetic, etc. solves nothing. Find incumbents and candidates you like, and really support them (money, phone banking, onsite volunteer work, etc.). It's going to take time to throw the bums out and replace them with fiscally responsible constitutional constructionists, so you have to be patient as you go forward. It's a peaceful, but long haul, revolution. You'll find that you'll be more at peace with yourself if you act rather than brood, because actions get results.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Oh really? Oh please tell me what Big Business will be up to? Will they be doing what they've done for 200 years in America? Will they enslave? Will they kill some natives like the American Natives?

Will they continue to reject Christ pleas for mercy? I lived through 62 years of this stuff. The republican party is in the pockets of pharmaceuticals (check out some dirt on these guys) and other big businesses that break the laws regularly. You don't want to go there at all.

And I'm not fooled by the democrats. But there was hate laid down here before I got here. The GOP will never police themselves and few GOP will say anything negative. What can people expect when Mammon rules? No- you are going to police yourselves. I just stopped by to say you are all hypocrites and you do not care for truth and you will never clean up your own nasty nest in that party for the rich.


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Micky

Check your facts, slavery was the democrats, WWII was the democrats, vietnam was the democrats .....

The republican party is the party of the rich, war, and slavery

The bottom line however is that since the 70s oil scam scare, as the Frog Prince says nothing has been done, and both the democrats and the republicans have had they turn at the wheel.

Micky I do like it that you speak out.

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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Hey Opinion Duck- there's nothing wrong with my facts. If there were two parties back then they all owned slaves. Most presidents for a while did. There was little difference in parties back then actually. Strom Thurman jumped ship later. Thank you. Vietnam was the center of attention after WWII. Read some more. Almost nothing goes down without both parties and it's it's pretty silly to pick bones about parties. Both are disgusting! I was "followed" I came here and saw the one-sided show and told republicans they ain't walking on water. And they are the hate party. They can't hear themselves but IO can and I've been hearing them for decades. This world is for supporting the humans on it or this world is a cult. Now for this to be NOT the case - why doesn't the GOP and these people right here come out and say that theu do not believe in God. The people who rule - do not! Whether you do or not is between you and God. But YOU"RE LYING to the Christians who vote for your cAndiDateS. I know where lies come from and I see them right here.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Micky,

How did "big business" get into this? Abuses by business should be addressed via appropriate criminal and civil punishments, not regulations that strangle markets, depress investment, and reduce hiring. Contrary to what you may think, today's modern TPM conservatives are NOT shills of big business (GOP RINO's are, and Democrats play unions against business to collect money from both of them). TPM conservatives eschew earmarks, campaign bribery, wasteful pork spending, etc. Take a look at what the national and state Chambers of Commerce think about the TPM; THEY CAN'T STAND TPM POLITICIANS, BECAUSE THEY WON'T "PLAY THE GAME."

I think you'll find that TPM politicians are FAR more Christian than GOP RINO's or Democratic liberals/socialists. The TPM stands firmly for individual freedom, states' rights, the sanctity of life, and fiscal thrift. Don't get the idea that the Democrat's nanny-state is any kind of "mercy;" how hard could it possibly for these closet socialists to be "merciful" with MY money.

Believe me, I am just as dissatisfied with both of the two major parties as you are. But just letting it boil up inside you and make you hateful does not DO anything other than drive you crazy. As I think I said before, GET INVOLVED. Even if you don't support my personal TPM conservative viewpoint, fight for the ideology you do support. Make campaign contributions to candidates you like, phone bank for them to collect contributions from others, sign petitions you agree with, join activist groups that reflect your ideology (they will often suggest ways you can help candidates they support), do volunteer work for local politicians you agree with, go to town hall meetings and hammer the moonbats, etc. GET OUT THERE. You'll feel better about yourself, and you'll turn your hate into action.

Stu


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Micky

Read my profile and my hubs, I say neither party has made good decisions in Congress. But you were wrong when you said slavery was the fault of the republicans. It was the democratic south that wanted slavery.

One might even say that they were the ones that started the Civil War. They were jumping out of the union into their conferation.

And up until this century it was the Democrats that were at the start of the wars.

We wouldn't be in the bad situation we are today if Congress did their job.

Thanks.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Oh please! You want to tell me that republicans didn't sic dos on the people in Selma! Ypouo want to tell me that they didn't deprive people to vote,ETC, And I mean in the SIXTIES!

Here's a tidbit that trumps your "It was the democratic south that wanted slavery."

BOTH PARTIES FIXED THE ELECTION OF 1868! You pick and choose whatever data you want. Both parties fixed that election and the federal troops left the South and Blacks were picked up for trumped up silly crimes and a lot of blacks spent their lives chained to one another- usine the bathroom CHAINED, sleeping CHAINED, and dying CHAINED!

"It was the democrats!" You're pathetic. And again- what has your party got to do with God and His Golden Rule? If it's NOTHING- let my people go!

But you use GOD when it's convenient for getting votes. The fact is your actions enslave! Maybe you folks ought to represent the true American, stop exaggerating, stop using excremental facts of history to justify your inhumanity.

Just maybe you ought write hubs of truth that will help AMERICANS instead of corporations. America might be a corporation on paper and in the hearts and heads of republicans but America needs to be a co-op insrtead of a wealthfare3 state for the rich. There is an entire America full of corruption that doesn't involve Obama. If it did our CIA or the Mafia or "some lone gunman" would take care of it all. The bottom line is - there is nothing on this page or any other to help America. It's all about helping your party and most who profit are YOUR rich!

Is this the best you can do? Where are your big mouths? Americans? You just hide here patting yourselves on the back for the best insult to Obama. Obama will do NOTHING without the republicans. I hope it doesn't go unnoticed that I do not capitalize republican or democrat but I capitalize Veteran and Vet. An d let me tell you as a Veteran that the republicans have been liars to me. They have IMPRISONED ME FALSELY! I have seen the most vile behavior from republicans. So you people here are NOT SELLING ME YOUR LIES!

\Now let's see some "picking apart" of this statement. But my story goes far beyond this. You have no idea! I can prove the nastiness of republicans so easy - PLEASE send a film crew! Please! Let's really get down with the truth! But you will not take up any cross of justice. Now go back to massaging each other!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Stu from VT: "How did "big business" get into this? Abuses by business should be addressed via appropriate criminal and civil punishments, not regulations that strangle markets, blah blah. If you read anything I did you'd know that the injustice system of America has never run a court with God in it since 1776. Now please call me on this- but I'll just refer you to some hubs I've written. Of course you could google this - but - YOU WILL NEVER END THE SEARCH FOR THE FALSELY IMPRISONED AND FALSELY ACCUSED! What color is the sky in your world?

What you do when you talk to me is just validate everything I say. You and your party are so out of touch. If you actually participated in more REAL life you'd have a different view. Please - let's televise this Micky Dee vs the Evil Empire.

And you say, "I think you'll find that TPM politicians are FAR more Christian than GOP RINO's or Democratic liberals/socialists." I have no idea what "FAR more Christian can matter. I just know facts of my own life. I just lived 62 years. I just studied American history and politicKs. I just look at the lame insults while you do NOTHING.

Do a hub on Monsanto. Do a hub on Blackwater, now Xe Services because the name Blackwater stinks so much. Do a hub on pharmaceuticals. You probably will come back and these are all democrats.

I do want to thank you all for validating everything I say. Oh no - not to yourselves - you'll never do anything for the average American or citizen of Earth because you say, "What has business got to do with it?" While BUSINESS IS AMERICA!

You say, "What has religion got to do with it?" While you prostitute the Christians and yourselves with how "moral" your leaders are like Newt Gingrich.

You say to go out and help groups you say are crooked. "You'll feel better about yourself, and you'll turn your hate into action."

You'd like to trip me up. Sure - here - I'll lob this one across the plate for you - America's justice system, as I've said before is CROOKED. It's CROOKED right down to the town or village. Now- attack this statement that I've made. But I DARE you to make my life public on your way to disproving me. Please, please, oh please - try to make me a liar. Send a film crew.

But you want to add a little snippet of "you're angry" or "you don't have your facts" or I think you'll find..."

Puhleeze!

Angry? I might take pictures of squirrels later today. I may ride my bicycle today or tomorrow. I may go for a hike. I may do many things that don't involve anger.

But don't expect me to be cordial with lame insults and lies. You fabricate, but you will not embrace true spirituality. You will not follow any prophet- especially Jesus. If you did- you'd have something to write with some meat in it. But most of what you do is insult. And you call anyone sick of your lies, en-slavery, indifference, and murder - "angry". Sure - I'll live with "angry". You're ridiculous. Put your party where your mouth is. Let's prove Micky Dee wrong. But I'll get carpal tunnel refuting your BS.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

I agree there are people who are falsely imprisoned, and some of this may in fact relate to false accusations by corporations. But anyone can make a false accusation. It is the prosecutor's job to sort fact from fiction, and attempt to have genuine wrongdoers punished (both individuals and corporations). It is completely irrational to try to fight corporate crime by making business less efficient (onerous taxes, large amounts of red tape, etc.). This just raises consumer prices and holds down employment. The answer is to simply identify genuine wrongdoers and punish them as a deterrant to others who might follow the wrong path.

As I stated I agree that both major parties are "out of touch." The Democrats are unsavable. The GOP can be fixed, but about 98% of them need to be replaced (i.e., throw out the centrists, and replace them with genuine conservatives).

You are contractdicting yourself by saying "far more Christian" doesn't matter. I was addressing your complaint that politics in general is not moral enough.

Both GOP's and Democrats take corporate money in exchange for favors (earmarks, legislation that benefits special interests at the expense of the people, etc.). This is not purely a Democratic phenomenon.

It's true there is no altruism in business. Capital wants the highest possible ROE, creditors want the highest interest rates, and labor wants the highest compensation. It's all a question of negotiation constrained by supply and demand for capital investment funds, lendable money, and labor by skill type. Since when were you "merciful" to an employer by offering to take lower wages than they were willing to pay so the shareholders could get a higher ROE?

I never said to "go out and help groups that are crooked." I said to go out and help groups that support your own political ideology. This will help you put your ideology into action.

The American justice system IS crooked. Most judges disobey the law by interpreting it according to their ideology (activism), rather than according to Congressional intent (constructionism). This is called "legislating from the bench," which is patently illegal. Defendants should be able to infer the law from reading it, along with its documented debate history. The end result of a case shouldn't depend on who you randomly draw as a judge.

I have not resorted to "lame insults and lies." I've been very polite, and have not knowingly said anything false. My statement about anger was not intended as an insult, but just a dispassionate observation of what I perceive as fact. Frog also noted the same thing. I think there is something that is upsetting you that you are repressing (or at a minimum not willing to talk about). I too am angry about where this country is headed. But I'm not letting it get me consumed with hatred. I'm letting it motivate me to be activist and fight to do my small part in getting things back in the right direction. Emotion is fine as a catalyst, but unless you release the emotive energy through productive activity, it just boils inside until you explode.


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optimus grimlock 5 years ago

great hub and I love the photo!!! awesome!!


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Why is it different when a Democrat gets into a military action?

Bush invaded Iraq and all the democrats and liberals eventually said it was a bad thing to do because there was no WMD found.

Now that President Obama is getting involved in a civil dispute in Libya it is OK.

Boxer and Pelosi are agreeing with President Obama and saying it was different than Bush in Iraq. Because here in Libya it is a humanitarian effort, as the leader of Libya was going to kill his own people.

The leader of Iraq never killed large numbers of his own people, or did he.

If he did, then how can we believe Boxer, Pelosin and President Obama?


Micky"get real" Dee 5 years ago

Blah. blah, blah - off topic? I'm not a democrat and never voted for one. Blah, blah, blah. How is anything that you're saying helping America? Blah, blah!


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Micky

I assume that you were addressing the blah blah to me.

How is anything that they are doing helping America?\

My comment goes to the disfunctionality of Congress period.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

OpinionDuck - I don't know anymore. I'm tired. I am so fed up with this STENCH of lies and hate I am sick!

People are SICK of this Obama hate stench. People are sick of this "can't get that health-care done" stench.

With what these freaks have spent on Iraq and other wars we could have housed everybody, sent them to good schools, and provided not only health-care but health-care including dental. The smell of the republicans is a lot nastier that those consarn liberals. Some of these flubbing hubbers ought read some of my work and I wouldn't be here telling them that their hate is making me sick to the colon. Traitors! Traitors to GOD! Traitors to VETS! Traitors to American workers!


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi OpinionDuck,

Both Bush and Obama were wrong.

Bush knew the Iraqi's were not performing nuclear research. Iraq only had one nuclear research facility, which the Israeli's destroyed in an air strike before 2003. The reality is that Bush overpromised in the Afghanistan reprisal for 9/11. He promised to wipe out the Taliban, which did not occur. Bush's popularity was tanking in the polls, and his reelection was in serious jeopardy. He needed a big military win to beat Kerry in 2004. Hence the toppling of Saddam.

Obama is making a mistake too, but of a different nature. While Quadhafi is a madman, and capable of genocide, no such action has yet begun. Obama is simply wiping out a secular strongman so Lybia will become controlled by the Shiites, whom he knows Iran will radicalize. He did the same thing diplomatically by hanging Mubarak out to dry. Obama has no "humanitarian" motive in Lybia. He is a Shiite sympathizer in the US, and the same regarding other countries. He knows exactly what he's doing. Shiite radicals around the world desire a globe spanning caliphate (Islamic world rule). By emboldening Muslim countries to topple their secular leaders, and replace them with Shiite mullahs, the radical Shiite movement in the US will intensify, especially terror actions. This not only serves the purpose of Obama's transnational agenda, but it gives him the pretext to declare marshal law and suspend elections in 2012 if he thinks he's not going to win a second term.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

You never stop do you? ""This not only serves the purpose of Obama's transnational agenda, but it gives him the pretext to declare marshal law and suspend elections in 2012 if he thinks he's not going to win a second term."

I've seen it all with you monkeys!

You people have said also - "Obama will destroy Social Security." CAll me on this! I'll take you to the idiot that said it.

I, on the other hand, am AMAZED at how powerful Obama is. He can destroy Social Security.

"declare marshal law and suspend elections in 2012" - sorry you morons stole that from the democrats. Got any lies that are original?

I may as well stop responding to this stupidity and rhetoric contest. You people are so lamely see-through haters and bigots. I'm not insulting. Your actions speak for themselves.

I've tired to dislike both parties equally. There isn't a democrat after a democrat gets elected. They also become republican even though they have the democrat bumper stickers and votes. But you and your party- your stink is what America is really fed up with. I think Americans might get wise where you folks will just "massage each other". Rub on!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Micky - Social Security was destroyed by LBJ when he turned it from a trust into going into the general revenue fund.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

okay


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Micky

What is your solution?

Stu

Congress and the people need to be unified when we go into war, but they haven't with bad results.

We haven't won a war, we defer it to future wars.

The Korean War was lost because of politicians, and now North Korea is once again posing a threat.

We totally lost the Vietnan War and Vietnam because of the politicians and those who didn't support our troops.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, Congress didn't fully fund the troops. Regardless of how we got into Iraq or Afghanistan we could have done a better job with a unified country. Be divided and be congquered.

Shiite, I wonder which Muslim teaching Obama follows?

Thanks for the info.

Frog Prince

Sorry for my distraction..

AS for SS it is a TAX with a weak promise.

Politicians unfortunately can't add or subtract or balance their check books, so it is no wonder that they are surprised on the outcome of seventy five years of receiving surplus revenue. Now they have to give out more than they can take in.

The congress lacks morals and intelligence about the financial factor of government. Reagan had trickle down economics, but in general congress uses taxes as the way to balance the books. Unfortunately, at some point, like now, there aren't enough people to tax to get out of the red.

Thanks


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Micky,

Frog is right. At present, all future payments (liabilities) of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are special issue treasury bonds (most of the so called "off-balance sheet debt" is owed to these three agencies). The off-balance sheet debt now stands at $90 trillion, or 600% of GNP. We can NEVER possibly pay it off. Obama will not destroy Social Security; IT ALREADY IS DESTROYED - ALL IT'S ASSETS ARE NAKED PROMISES TO PAY FROM FUTURE GENERATIONS OF TAXPAYERS. After a brief phaseout period, the giant social service agencies will HAVE to be defunded and vacated, so the bulk of the off-balance sheet debt can simply be abrogated (ripped up). Much less generous needs tested programs can replace them, with benefit levels low enough (in combination with massive civil service cuts and a giant boost in the tax base) to permit us to run annual federal surpluses large enough (about $800 billion per year) to pay off the official investor owned debt ($14 trillion) over 3-4 decades, depending on future interest rates.

The situation is dire. The total federal debt (official plus off balance sheet) now stands at about $400,000 per citizen (including children). Whether you like it or not, VERY rough times are ahead. If we don't take drastic fiscal action VERY quickly, our only option will be to monetize the debt (print massive amounts of fiat money). That will cause a hyperinflationary depression (just like Weimar Germany of the early 1930's). Remember what that led to?

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - Looking at the National Debt clock, they are lumped into the "Unfunded Liabilities" category which the last time I looked is astronomical.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

OpinionDuck,

I agree with your opinions, except regarding the Afghanistan reprisal. It was funded sufficiently to send the terrorist sponsors a message, which was all that was necessary. GWB's public promise to "jail or kill all terrorists" was unattainable with any amount of money.

I have no idea which Muslim teachings Obama follows, but he appears to sympathize with Shiites, both peaceful and radical, but appears hostile to Sunni radicals. His implicit support for the Muslim Brotherhood is odd (abandoning Mubarak), as the MB spawns both Shiite and Sunni radical groups.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Frog,

The "Unfunded Liabilities" category is most likely the portion of the off-balance sheet debt owed to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, which makes up about $60 trillion of the $90 trillion total of these special issue treasuries. The total federal debt comes to about $105 trillion when you add in the official investor owned debt ($400,000 per citizen, 700% of GNP). Houston, we have a problem.

Stu


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas

As the old saying goes, you can't get blood from a turnip and it is also true that you can't get leadership from an idiot. This guy is a puppet politician with Soros' name on the back of his shirt. His only job in life has been creating situations which thrive on disharmony and further enhance class warfare. This is not a leader...not in any shape or form...this is a dismantler focused in his work and feeling warm and content surrounded by all his little commie friends. Awesome work, Frog! WB


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

"The situation is dire. The total federal debt (official plus off balance sheet) now stands at about $400,000 per citizen (including children). Whether you like it or not, VERY rough times are ahead."

And what do you girls propose? You're going to eject him and put another whacked out drunk at the helm like George W. Bush? Or his CIA father? Why not go for the Dickster "sure-shot" Cheney?

You people aren't interested in America at all. You're interested in posting any democrat and from what I see - any black man.

You've lived through 2 Bushes, a Clinton that bowed to most of what republicans wanted - he even went against his word about things like mining resources that belong to America, we had a Reagan who said trees cause pollution -

but you folks just want to get shed of "a" guy.

But you'll pick something worse. You ALWAYS DO~ That's your record. That is the record of the GOP. Keep voting against America and we'll become that police state that mom and dad warned us about. Oh wait- AMERICA IS ALREADY THE MOST IMPRISONED NATION ON EARTH.

There is not one thing you people are doing for America.,Not a damn thing! There ARE NO LEADERS IN THE GOP! Let's vote for Newt Gingrich! That is the PIG that your brother and Satan's elf, art Pope wants to back.

You people are ridiculous.

You cut an American's throat- every time you vote!


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Micky

Again, what is your solution.

Shoot the ball or get off the court.

Not really, but what is your solution.

??


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

If you think just replacing the problem with the problem- does that make you really smart?

You people act like you're intelligent. You collect data to hit people on the head with.

I say net out of your rhetoric and accusing 1 man and realize that these "appointed lawyers who perpetuate appointed lawyers" are never going to straighten out the court system that is RIFE with corruption. But you people here DENY it! You keep looking in that pile of shyt for a savior of the United States?

Oh- I might be the dumbest brick in the world - but I will never have the insanity that you perpetuate.

I'll keep dreaming- that an honest man will show up.

But just like Black Kettle who was given an American flag and told that "if he flew this flag no soldier would fire on him" - if you're going to drape yourself in "this" American flag , you'd better be a heavily armed white man.

What to do? If you or your friends have any persuasion with people - organize SIT-INS! MARCHES!

Demand that Americans have health-care. Demand that stop having endless wars. Demand that we bring back our textiles and other jobs instead of paying $150 for a shirt made in a sweat-shop Bangladesh by Hifrigger and henchmen.

I could go on but you fellows are the smart ones. Let's all agree how Micky is off his rocker.

You are the brains.

I've got it- why don't you fellows keep collecting useless information to use against your fellow Americans. Pat yourselves on the back at the research you've done. Forget that America is locked into 2 political parties, endless war, increasing hours for American workers with less pay, and health problems that this industrialized is casing but never putting humanity ahead of business.

What is my solution? O yew fellers r way 2 smort 4 me!

Mite swell run off a kliff wiff dem lawyers.

Yeh. Dats whut we'uns ort 2 dew.

Lettuce vote fer an udder!


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Micky

You mentioned

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I've got it- why don't you fellows keep collecting useless information to use against your fellow Americans. Pat yourselves on the back at the research you've done. Forget that America is locked into 2 political parties, endless war, increasing hours for American workers with less pay, and health problems that this industrialized is casing but never putting humanity ahead of business.

What is my solution? O yew fellers r way 2 smort 4 me!

Mite swell run off a kliff wiff dem lawyers.

Yeh. Dats whut we'uns ort 2 dew.

Lettuce vote fer an udder!

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What are your solutions to them?

1. 2 Political Parties

2. endless war

3. increasing hours for American workers with less pay,

4. health problems that this industrialized is casing but never putting humanity ahead of business.

5. Demand Health Care

6. Lawyers?

You might consider being more specific because I for one have lost your thread of the context. I don't who yew fellers are referencing?


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Micky,

I already told you what should be done about the off balance sheet debt, and it has nothing to do with Obama's race. I specifically said phase out SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, abrogate their treasury assets, and replace the systems with much less generous needs based pay-as-you-go programs (benefits that vary annually based on cash funding granted so the systems no longer accrue liabilities requiring treasury asset accumulation). How is that racism? What does that have to do with police states? My answer was purely based on fiscal considerations (i.e., remake the systems so they don't bankrupt the country).

Stu


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

So you OD want me to write a hub about how to cure America right here? And if I did you'd roast me in hell.

Stew!

Oh please don't bankrupt the country! Oh God!

How will we make weapons to distribute around the globe like the M16s that were made in the U&SA and sold to the Indonesians trained by your friends at Blackwater (now Xe Services) to kill innocent East Timorese and were 200 thousand people killed for a better manufacturing climate.

Oh Stewball. If you'd get out of your seperatism and see that your economics are just Satanism and the better term is Mammon.

I know it's hard for you fellows to believe - but I'm tired of talking to party liners, fascists, Socialists for the rich, etc.

Now you good ole boys have fun now.

But I'm refuting some other financial and social bigots on a couple of my own hubs.

I have no idea what this hub was about now

Or your other one

I was distracted by the slurs and blurbs.

Go back to stroking each other.

I have nothing against your "lifestyle" just your futility.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Micky - I've been following this and all I can say is that you don't make too much sense at all. What I have been reading is rant, after rant, after rant from you. Other posters have asked you specifically what your cure is. Then rather than answer, you rant and you rant and you rant.

I think you might be an Obama plant. This whole Hub is about Obama, in case you failed to notice. I posted specific facts here. Either refute what I have said with counter facts or let it rest.

The Frog


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Micky,

I agree with Frog. You complain about everything in a manner that can't be comprehended, and offer no solutions. You keep bringing up Satanism and mammon. You seem to digress from the topic at hand, and act like a self appointed moral uber-prosecutor. You are behaving in an ascetic manner (acting as if you personally wrote the Book of Life, and get to decide who gets saved and who gets destroyed after the GWTJ). Instead of making moral judgments against participants in the thread, it is far more productive to make intellectual judgments about the content offered, adding your own solutions where you disagree with those presented. The purpose of a blog is to discuss the main thread topic, not judge each others' ethics.

Stu


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Stu

I disagree with you on the SS etc.

SS is a TAX with a weak promise. It is not fair for government employees to get the taxpayers to kick in for their defined benefit pensions.

Government employees should only have what is in the private sector. SS, and 401K. I know they already pay in to SS but that is because it was a hail mary play by Congress years ago when they realized they need more players in their tax ponzi scheme.

It is too much to go into here but SS needs to be ended but gracefully. X years to retirement people should be given what they have paid into for decades. The TAX status of Social Security should be removed and replaced with 401K pension options by those people that are not X years away from retirement.

The SS accounts of these people need to be bought or converted by some sort of credit system for the private pensions.

Yes, this means that the government and the taxpayer take it in the shorts, but the government started this ridiculous system There is no reason why government public servants should get their masters the people to pay for a system that is not in the private sector.

my opinion...

Thanks Frog for the forum...


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Duck,

I hear what you're saying. The problem is that the off balance sheet debt is so large, a simple "transfer of assets" to IRA's would be just as crippling as paying the promised benefits. I agree with the phaseout concept, but the sad reality is that if we are to save the dollar and not suffer national bankruptcy, FICA taxes cannot be returned. The taxpayer simply can't take it in the shorts here; it would mean national collapse. Workers who have paid into the system (other than those in or near retirement) have to take it in the shorts. It's not "fair," but it is necessary. We made promises based on FICA taxes collected, diverted those taxes to the general fund for operating expenses, and issued special issue treasury bonds to SS and Medicare as "assets" to cover the promises. As you say, it is a ponzi scheme. While the special issue treasury bonds may possibly cover the promised benefits (assuming FICA taxes were accurately promulgated), the sheer amount of these bonds cannot be paid off without crippling tax increases or mass printing of fiat money, either of which would result in an eventual depression. Special issue treasury bonds backing the liabilities of SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. now total an unbelievable $90 trillion, or 600% of GNP. Sadly, the only option here is termination of the programs (again, after a short phaseout period), and unilateral cancellation of the special issue treasuries. I know it's ugly, but it's the only solution.

Stu


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Come on - the real problem with America is that it's a false Christian nation. Same problem with the world. Christian - true Muslim - it wouldn't make any difference if people met at the Golden Rule for every decision.

Every religion has that. But America is just immoral. America is flawed because the worst terrorist on this planet is the American Lawyer. Right now the American INjustice machine is ruining more lives and imprisoning more people than any country in the world.

But you folks will elect another one to Congress and the white house.

America and the world are having a lot of problems from LAWYERS who will NEVER police their own nest of incestuous corruptiuon. If Americans don't face this AMerican lie there is no good outlook for the planet.

If I sound like I'm blaming EVERYTHING on lawyers - well - I just want to. From all the info I can gather they are in control of the most powerful war machine the world has ever seen.

And I'll trust one of your lawyers when Pterodactyls fly out of my butt. The problem with America is LACK OF HONESTY PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

All these scenarios don't matter. It doesn't matter if Socialism is in place, a monarch,e or a democracy. If the leaders are crooks - you have a crooked government. And the United States government is so crooked it cannot walk straight.

Continue to vote for these pukes from the bowels of Satan and you will get pukes from the bowels of Satan.

But Americans keep looking to Yale and Harvard for signs of intelligent life.

Geronimo's head was supposedly stolen my GW Bush's ancestor. He probably had his henchmen do it. Zapata's head was taken too. The Skull and Bones boys are suppose to have this crap.

The bottom line is I'm fed up with the good ole boys. I hate secret societies. My grandfather and uncle were Masons. I wish the Masons and the KKK never existed. Secret hand-shakes? A first degree doesn't know what the hand-shake for the second degree is - and so on. I don't even like golf clubs. Enough secrecy.

America's problems consist almost totally - right now - because America is not only not honest with itself - America is DISHONEST WITH ITSELF.

Keep voting for the scum. - We get scum. -


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

And Frog "Micky - I've been following this and all I can say is that you don't make too much sense at all. What I have been reading is rant, after rant, after rant from you."

Your guests don't make sense to me. Some of the insults, name-calling, and innuendos disgust me when I've lived through a bunch of Bushes and these pigs are some of the biggest pigs in the world.

They had the investigation all sewed up about 911 within minutes of three buildings coming down setting three world records in one day.

Bush's cousin was in charge of security for at least building 7. Silverstein gets a big payoff on buildings too old to be current with codes and too costly to repair. Bush Cheney and company are oil and Haliburton and those are the profiteers of a war with a country that "supposedly " was switching to selling its oil in Euros.

But none of what I've said matters because these DISHONEST PIGS REFUSED TO GIVE AMERICA AND INVESTIGATION.

Just like John Kennedy's assassination, Martin Luther King, Marilyn Monroe, ETC.

No - I don't make sense.

You want to sit here and make insults to Obama without equal opportunity for the pukes who should get the credit for our demise. And I don't like Obama simply because HE'S a LAWTER!

There is no debate about Socioal Security! Make it work! Our old people need it.

Prvide health-care for everybody! people need healing!

Thjis isn't debatable. When you "debate" stupidly about IF we can afford necessities for OUR people like these basics - YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION. YOU ARE NOT A LEADER OF THE WORLD AND SHOULD NEVER LEAD THIS WORLD!

And - a country that debates about whether and how it can take care of its people is morally bankrupt.

YOU GET IT DONE! This isn't debatable and in doing so you make this country more false.

These are people - they are not "Xs" and "Os". Your scenarios are meaningless. You're voting for Beelzebub to carry out any plan. Satan doesn't work for you. You work for Satan. That's how that works.

No - I don't make sense to you. You aren't moral in your thinking. You're accountants and lawyers evidently. Like it or not - the Golden Rule isn't just a good idea. And for the republican party to "court Christians", woo them with religious bigotry, promise them the moon against homosexuals, the working class, races - don't get me started with Strom and boys - and with all this wooing and prostituting from both sides - people like you are going to tell me the Golden Rule doesn't come into play. The Golden Rule is just a tenet for the gullible you say. Well let the Christians go. The government is false because America actually is not a Christian nation and there is nothing to the Golden Rule?

That is what YOU are saying. That is what your lawyers are saying. That is what the bankers are saying.

Meanwhile - "oh there's a war? Let's throw MONEY THERE!

Oh, a bank is in trouble? Let's throw MONEY THERE.

Poor people need CARE? We can't afford it.

Now if you frogs can't get your your SOULS right - why not quit addressing Micky Dee. I'm actually trying to destroy Satan! If I were big enough! But if America is real Americans will help. There is DEATH and SLAVERY and SUFFERING - screw your stupid economics!

I do not make sense to you and that tells me who YOU SERVE!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

I say that ANY REPUBLICAN, TEABAGGER, OR DEMOCRAT who will even QUESTION the feasibility of providing care to American citizens - is a TRAITOR TO AMERICA AND AMERICANS AS WELL AS TRAITORS TO GOD.

I submit that ANY question about HOW we pay for this is an insult to the American citizen.

You are saying THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT.

You are saying that the AMERICA WORKER cannot pull his weight.

I'm here to say that this thinking is screwed and you can go on and tell me I'm rambling, you don't understand, blah, blah.

No- I don't frickin' understand. As a United States Veteran Marine from Vietnam I say you people are flipping traitors with this line of stupidity.

We couldn't afford Vietnam.

We couldn't afford Iraq!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

What we can afford to pay for Micky and someone's worth isn't a matter of the question. Our elected officials have been trying to pay for things we can't afford for far too long. Please don;t try preaching to the choir son.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Okay Frogmaster- Ifyoure head was in theright place you'd do a hub on crooked pharmaceuticals. doesn't your wife have the inside track?

But no. What's the name of one of the latest scandals? Wasn't it one screwing medicaid and medicare? And weren't they supposed to be BANNED FORM EVER SELLING ANYTHING TROUGH MEDICARE AND MEDICAID?

Of course they were!

BUT! Because of YOUR INSISTANCE to elect these frauds and pigs and thieves called lawyers they CONTINUE TO SELL TO MEDICAID AND MEDICARE!

All they have to do is set up another American pyramid fraud scheme of shell companies in different names.

You Mr. Frog are a farce with your "REPUBLICANT'S" and "DEMOCAN'TS".

There's no money? BS. We couldn't afford Katrina but we had her anyway.

Some honesty please but your heart ain't right and from my vision here YOU AIN'T GETTING RIGHT!

Jesus you people are a hopeless waste of time.

You ARE the RED tape. You are the wrench in the gears. You are what is wrong with this America. You and your blind obedience to this corporate socialism for the rich and injustice system. You will not get anywhere and America will not get anywhere without a spiritual patriotic revival. You cannot plant despair and grow watermelons.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Micky - I choose my article battles, you choose yours.


MD 5 years ago

Thanks for my confirmation.

It's all "pick and choose" isn't it.

I don't.

I cling to that Golden Rule but for the good of America and all of mankind.

This is not my fight.

Mine should have been over a long time ago.

But God does lead some of us.

Too bad you can't hear Him!

Or feel Him.


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Frog Prince

You certainly did well with this hub

~:}

Stu

I again disagree with you, your solution is not the only solution. You also didn't factor in the continued rise in government employees and their salaries, benefit, and pensions.

The government is the guilty party, and they must also sacrifice. That means cutting drastically the size of government that is already over bloated, ineffectual and very very costly.

Cutting the size of the government is necessary, removing defined benefit pension from the government employees is also very necessary. Reducing the redundancy in the government also has to be done.

There are many things that can be done to the government and the politicians that could help.

Your plan unfortunately just keeps the power of the budget losses in the hands of the same politicians that have created them.

What is fair would be to level the playing field, take the government down to the rest of the people. Give them only what is available in the non union private sector.

If you subscribe to killing SS, then you have to also take down the government pension, it shouldn't have existed in that form anyway.

There are millions of people that never lived long enough to get any SS money, and many have contributed over fifty years. The government pensions can be received with only twenty years of service, and many retire with close to a living wage.

SS contributions never end if you make wages, government pension contribution stop when they retire.

There is much more, but think about more than one solution. The National Health Care is SS, Medicare money sink hole equivalent.

BTW, are you a union or government worker?

my opinion...


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Stu

When are you going to post a hub. It will be interesting to see your thoughts.

Thanks


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

OpinionDuck - I've been encouraging Stu to do some keyboard banging. I know he's not shy.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

MD - Since God isn't the subject of this Hub, I'm confused as to how you draw any assumptions about anyone's religious belief systems here.

The Frog


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi OpinionDuck,

I most certainly did figure in the rise in federal compensation. I suggested a cut of at least 50%. Alot of this would have to be through headcount, but certainly bringing compensation (pay and fringes) in line with private sector equivalents can and should be part of the solution.

No, I am not a union or government worker. My principle business is that of an independent IT services provider (web and PC application programming, and web site design). I also am an investor/operator of an LLC developing SASS (software as a service) for clients wishing to improve their web sites' performance.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

OD and Frog - Promise to do some writing soon. Have been very busy with work. Sorry. Stu


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Stu

I had to ask to determine any bias.

We agree on the federal compensation that you mention.

I am an Independent Contractor myself, firmware project management type, and Tecnical Writing. Before that I was programming firmware for storage devices, proprietary OS stuff.

Probably why agree more than we disagree.

I would be interested to read some hubs from you on your website design.

Later


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu and OD - I'd be interested in you both designing a website for me. Free of course, for the cause!!! LMBO


Stu From VT 5 years ago

OD - Haven't written any material for this site yet, but I can provide links to articles I've posted at Sodahead. Please let me know if you'd like them.

FP - What kind of site did you have in mind?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

I need one for my business. Best not to discuss it here. We'll talk about it.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

OK Frog, just give me a call anytime. Stu


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Stu

I am not familar with Sodahead.

I will check it out.

Thanks


Stu From VT 5 years ago

YW OD, Stu


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tmckim 5 years ago

Obama has never led on anything. What we call "Obamacare" is really "Pelosicare". The grown-ups need to be brought back into power.


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

STu

I tried SodaHead

Wisconsin Senate Passes Collective Bargaining Ban Without Democrats

+31 by Stu ~ RWAC ~ POTL

I find SH very confusing, but I didn't really spend that much time on it. I found the Wisconsin piece with your byline.

I didn't understand the Red and the Blue, except that maybe Red was what you wrote.

~:}


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi OpinionDuck,

SH takes a while to learn how to use if you become a member, but non-members can read its blog threads without joining (although they can't post).

Here's a sampling of some additional pieces I put up:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/americas-cul...

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/economics-10...

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/social-polic...

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/liberals-now...

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-tea-part...

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/stu-vents-hi...

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - It's NOT advisable to promote another site using this one. Iffin you get my drift.

The Frog


Curtis 3 years ago

Hmm, glad I scanned the article before fully reading it. I love not only your misleading statement of what Pelosi said... but also your misquoting of it. Obviously just another political pundit who would rather say something that gets a rise than speak the truth.

You should feel horrible that you're taking advantage of a public that is stupid enough to simply believe what you type instead of doing any real research. Pathetic.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Curtis - What is pathetic seems to be you. Read the article again and inform us where I quoted Pelosi saying anything that wasn't said. You should feel horrible that you run your chops without reading an article.

The Frog

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