I May Have Missed Something!

Why Wasn't This Question Asked?

I watched in amazement as the "You Can't Cut Planned Parenthood" crowd furiously denounced those who saw a need to yield the ax to a tax payer funded agency. This is the same crowd that trumpeted "Obamacare" as being the panacea of all panaceas for solving the problems of our health care system, which it isn't. The federal government isn't known to be the leader in solving problems. Creating them is a yes, solving them is a no. The two subjects are intertwined if one takes a more critical look.

People sometimes ask me what my position is on the issue of abortion. It's really one of those issues that both sides come down hard on,have temper tantrums about while stomping their little feet furiously, so I try to shy away from such debates when possible. But for the purposes of this Hub, let me say this about the subject. I take issue with ANY of our tax dollars being doled out to an agency that performs such services. If a woman wants to have an abortion then she (they in some cases) can damned well pay for it without us having to chip in. After all, it wasn't us who were in bed with those two people involved in making whoopee. Maybe they should have considered that pregnancy can result from doing the whoopee.

While the $75 million that Planned Parenthood was on the books for seems like a minuscule amount in the grand scheme of things in high federal finance, it is still $75 million. A little here and a little there and all of the sudden you have a billion, a billion here and a billion there and then you have a trillion. Get my drift? So The Great Thinkers in Foggy Bottom took up this funding cause as their cause to denounce. The great thinks on the Democratic Party side started grasping at straws, any straw they could find, in fact, to try to put a wet blanket over cutting the budget. Planned Parenthood suddenly became their ticket. They wanted to find a reason to stall the negotiations but come on, this was a poor excuse for procrastination. Don't you just despise difficult people?

During all that back and forth political jabbering, it perplexed me that no one brought out one specific point to The Great Thinkers on The Hill. I'm about to get to that so be patient. A little ground work is necessary here. A hint is in order though - Obamacare. The Senate Majority Idiot went on camera, more than a couple of times, spieling away about how the "other side of the aisle" wanted to kill women by not providing them with needed medical services. That maybe made sense to your average left winger but had no merit other than being the mud slinging that some of us have become accustomed to - political theater to play on the fears of women in this case.

Planned Parenthood may indeed, and in fact does, perform some essential services for women such as breast exams and cervical cancer screenings. I won't deny them that. They're not the only ones though who perform these procedures, nor are they the only ones who provide abortions to the public. But Planned Parenthood just happens to be the largest provider of abortions in this country however. And yes, they do receive our hard earned bucks in the process of being that entity.

Then the argument went that it is against federal law for anyone receiving "our" money to perform abortions. It's right there in an Executive Order. That is also a fact about the closing of Guantanamo. That was Obama's first flourish of the pen. That same EO concerning the non-use of federal funds to perform abortions was signed to insure the fix was in on Obamacare. Remember that? Did you know that an EO can be done away with by the stroke of that same pen? No one would violate federal law in order to execute their agenda now, would they? A check into a federal penal institution, or two or three, might indicate otherwise.

Many times the people sitting there in our federal country clubs got caught up in the moment and somehow the intermingling of federal funds with other funds became a bit tempting. That's a problem. As I watch the GAO do their magic lately, I have to think how much lack of over- sight there is running rampant in other government programs so I am skeptical that Planned Parenthood is exactly always on the up and up. Why even tempt fate becomes a question. How much oversight has Congress done in insuring that Planned Parenthood hasn't put their hand in our cookie jar and used intermingled funds to fund even one abortion? How many times have federal auditors gone into the books of PP and taken a look see? I would venture to say, "Not once." They can't keep their own house in order for goodness sake. But then again, it's but a mere $75 million of other people's money.

But being the inquisitive frog that I am, I wondered when the wise sages up there would bring up a particular issue. To my recollection it never came up, that we heard about anyway. I think it is a rather valid question so I'll ask it to you and this circles back to Obamacare. If Obamacare is intended to insure all Americans and provide them essential,affordable medical care, be they male, female or anything in between, why is there a need for Planned Parenthood services now, other than to provide abortion services? If Obamacare is, in fact, the panacea of all panaceas in providing essential, life saving health care then we don't need all the strap hangers on the dole sucking up our money.

In the process of taking 18 months to meet behind closed doors to craft this monstrosity was that issue addressed? I, again, will venture to say that not a word was said about it. We should have a national holiday to celebrate the fact that more of our tax dollars aren't siphoned off to Planned Parenthood or any other organization that Obamacare is intended to address which is health care and still not abortion services. But you know what? Cancel your holiday plans because it ain't gonna happen. Every special interest has its own interest at heart.

To close, for those not really paying attention or not understanding how politics works, a compromise was reached to drop the rider so "The Great Thinkers" would be happy and the government could continue to put out its "Open For Business" shutter for six additional days.. It was agreed that the full Senate would have a floor vote on Planned Parenthood funding. That actually happened as agreed even though Harry Reid swore it would never happen on his watch. A bargaining chip though is a chip and this one may have been played well. They wanted all those wise sages I call "The Great Thinkers" on record about the issue for obvious reasons. So this past Thursday they had the vote and guess what happened in the Democratically held Senate? The vote was 42-58 to continue funding Planned Parenthood.

So evidently we need redundancy in providing the needed health care services that Obamacare is the answer to all answers to. After all, it's but a mere $75 million in the FY 2011 budget. How much are we going to dole out for redundancy in the FY 2012 budget for PP or any other service that Obamacare is supposed to address? I don't know about you, but $75 million dollars is a lot of clams to me.

I'm just askin'...

As Always,

The Frog Prince


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Sunnie Day 5 years ago

Good Morning Frog,

As a school nurse and just my prespective, planned parent hood in our little town takes on a big role because parents do not. As a school nurse I see my role exspanding daily to step in for parents responsibility..thats why I am retiring this year..can't do it anymore..another story..anyway..bottom line is..for some reason we think we can fix everything and the responsiblilty is put on planned parenthood verses the parents/person. The person who slept around runs for help, or to get condoms to sleep around, its free. I am frankly tired of people not taking care of their own stuff..If they would take care of their own stuff, we would not need all this money going to all these programs or at least not as much. It is like a big snowball.No responsibiltiy for actions. Is is wrong to feel like we have to continualy be a brothers keeper. I am in no way thinking we should not have compassion in certain circumstances or give a hand. I just feel like we sometimes take on things we should not, thus causing an emotional disablitly in society as a whole. Thanks Frog..I am so rambling this morning..hope I make sense.

Sunnie


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Sunnie Day - I do believe you read between the lines here and stumbled upon a hidden message. Kudos to you. Seems many people want the federal government to become a Nanny for all their own wants and needs rather than to take responsibility for themselves and their own actions.

Being stupid does have consequences dear heart.

You made perfect sense to me. You look a little young to retire but I retired at 41 so who am I to throw stones. LOL


Sunnie Day 5 years ago

41...Lucky you..18 years of nursing and I am going to retire to my garden..lol..I am turning 51 this month..YIKES..did I say that out loud..Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say...the more I read the better grasp I am getting. Thanks and Have a great Sat..

Sunnie


Stu From VT 5 years ago

I think the whole thing is shameful. With so many Americans against abortion for moral reasons, how can one justify PeePee getting almost $1 per day in taxpayer funds? This murder factory is not even a federal agency. If people want to use it, they can pay for it themselves on a FFS basis, or donate directly to it.

You are right that being stupid DOES have consequences - you could become Senate Majority Leader. :)

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - No thanks. I wouldn't want to have to take a shower every hour to keep the stench of Foggy Bottom off of me.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Was curious; "Foggy Bottom" is the old nickname of the State Dept. Is it now what DC is called on a "macro basis?"

Thanks, Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

One and the same in our modern lexicon.


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan

Planned Parenthood is a foul and disgusting organization steeped in racism and eugenics and I think that if most people knew what kind of place it was they would be appalled. Thanks for the enlightening hub.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago

Froggy

I addressed Planned Parenthood in one line of my latest Parody; the Snake!

The thing that frost me the most is not the fact they pay for the end results of irresponsible behavior but that the democRATS like Sissy Harry THEN GO OUT AND LIE ABOUT IT!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

FP - I had to vote Up, Awesome, and Beautiful on this one. Being older gives me the advantage of looking back at days gone by that many hub readers were not around to experience.

If I recall correctly, Planned Parenthood was left entirely up to two people, and some did not plan very well. Mistakes did occur, but there were no official "Baby Killing Factories" in existence that I am aware of. We dealt with the results of these unplanned parenthood situations the best we could. Many times, the parents or grandparents were involved with helping to raise these unplanned children, and for the most part, it worked.

I'm not sure when and why our government decided planned parenthood was their role to play, but it happened. Opposing this are the entitlement programs where single mothers get paid more and more each month for becoming human baby factories. The more babies the more money. So now we taxpayers are paying dearly for those not having babies, and even more for those having babies. Either way, the taxpayers lose.

Gosh how I long for the good old days.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

OP - As we were growing up adoption was the norm. There are still many families who wait to adopt children. Yes, the olden days. Entitlement babies have been bred for generations now and rather than dealing with that issue, the government seems to foster bad conduct.


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dahoglund 5 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

What would happen to the abortion issue if we simply took the profit out of it. There seems to be an objection to supporting big business, but isn't that what abortion is, a big business?Personally I was amazed to realize how big a business it is and government supported.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

dahoglund - I have written my Senators today, not my useless Representative James Clyburn, to suggest that they call for a federal audit of Planned Parenthood. It seems odd that the largest abortion provider in this country, which coincidentally gets huge federal support, has clean books to show that not one penny of our tax dollars has been used to perform an abortion.

Of course the lefties like to call me a trouble maker!


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mckbirdbks 5 years ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

How can you love America and not love her children? These are our daughters, our women. To refer to our American daughters as whores (W.B.'s American Hogwash) cheapens us all. You speak of the 75 million dollars, if half of us pay taxes that is one-half dollar a year each to protect the health of our children - to give a couple a second chance - to offer a hand to someone who has found themselves at a low point.

This thinking is a splinter that we have let become infected. There are real problems in Washington and not just in the last two years but the last ten years.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

I'm asking this as a question, because I don't know the answer. Do we ever get an accurate accounting on how much was spent, and what it was spent for?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

mcbirdbks - I'm having a problem following your comment.

OP - I'm almost certain the government has no idea.


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Pamela99 5 years ago from United States

I fully agree. I don't think tax dollars should pay for abortions and it is so easy to prevent a pregnancy anyway I think woman should pay if that is there choice.


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KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 5 years ago from APPOMATTOX V.A.

Hey Frog Prince,

JUst wntd to say I like your way of thinking and I agree with you whole heartedly...WHy must the American people shoulder the expense of some woman who was foolish enough to get pregnant and then decide that I will have to pay out of my pockets for her mistake...by the way I think abortion is one of the deadly sins...there is no way tht you can end an innocent life and it not be a deadly sin...but thats just my opinion!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Seeker - It appears that some how, some way our government has gotten into the "paying for bad behavior" mode. I have compassion for people but things can get stretched in that area. Abortion is a strong subject for sure. I try to stay on the sidelines with this issue until it comes to our tax dollars being used for irresponsible behavior.


Ghost32 5 years ago

Though I'm definitely "hard right" on many issues, I'm actually somewhat pro-choice when it comes to abortion...and I STILL see federal funding for Planned Parenthood as an abomination.

Let's see...ABO in "abortion"...ABO in "abomination"...and, oh yeah, ABO for ANYBODY BUT OBAMA.

Sorry. My one track mind again....


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Froggy, I'm pro abortion, it should be privately funded. H


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Virtually anything can be justified using emotional appeals. What about the poor guy who wants us to pay for his dental implants? If we pay for an abortion because we feel sorry for a woman, why not pay for his dental work too? Where does it end?

I look at it this way...nowhere in the Constitution is there any justification for taking one from one person so it can be spent on another person.

Nowhere.

So let's not do it.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

That should have read this way:

I look at it like this...nowhere in the Constitution is there any justification for taking money from one person so it can be spent on another person.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

dahoglund,

I don't think it's an issue of taking profit out of abortion. Service providers have a right to earn a return on capital, as long as they are efficient and charge fair prices.

The real issue is when abortion should be allowed in the first place. Abortion for convenience is just murder. I know there are extenuating circumstances, like rape and medical danger, but otherwise this practice should be outlawed.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

mckbirdbks,

"How can you love America and not love her children?" - This is the whole point: if you love her children, you wouldn't kill them. Second chances are nice, but not at the cost of murder. You are saying that the mother's right to "convenience" trumps the child's right to LIVE. Think about what you're really implying.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

"mcbirdbks - I'm having a problem following your comment."

I was a bit confused too, but see my comment above.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Sadly, the "government" doesn't pay for bad behavior. WE DO, be it taxes or debt (the latter just being deferred taxes). I can't remember the last time the "government" actually paid for anything. They BILL for everything, and WE pay it. :(

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Will,

Good points on redistribution. The feds do not have such an enumerated power, so it would seem illegal unless it is done at the state level. I wonder why there is so little general discussion about that. Maybe this is one of the things on the ever growing MSM "taboo list."

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Will - Just a matter of semantics. It a; cooms down to the same thing. Someone receives something they aren't required to work for.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Reminds me of Billy the Unzipper when he said "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

For Congress, the version would be "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'law' is."

I'd buy them an Oxford, but if they didn't have enough time to read SB 1070 (ten pages, which I got through myself in about five minutes), how could they manage a 2,000 page book (yeah, I know they only have to look up one word, but the psychological effect of opening such a big book could be overwhelming)?

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - I'm still swearing about this one. He needs to be impeached!

http://hubpages.com/politics/Not-Another-Broken-Ca...


Pegasis 5 years ago

The reason I don't want PP to use federal funds to pay for abortions is even simpler than yours, FP; it is an elective medical procedure and if tax dollars are to be used for medical procedures, I want them used in a place where they enhance the quality of life and/or prolong life itself.

Adding those dollars to the VA Hospitals for the aid of our military comes to mind...


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL

Well, we were all told after Obamacare passed, there would be no federal funding for abortions. Of course, less than a month after this atrocity against humankind passed, Obama reneged in a round about way. I've seen the stings (I forget the young lady's name who orchestrated these operations) of what PP is all about. As you say, $75 million and eventually you are talking about real money in the billions. I am still simmering that the Republicans balked on this issue. This one is simply unforgivable to me. We have Democrats and Democrats-lite on the Hill. We need a third party.

Desperately.


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Ms Dee 5 years ago from Texas, USA

I wonder if more and more parents do not do what they traditionally did because the Feds are doing more of it. Good on ya' pointing out this stark example of Fed duplicity in spending our money.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Writer David,

While I admire the GOP's for blocking as much of the Obama agenda as they could, they have been just as bad as the Democrats on budget reform. Also, the GOP has been way to lax regarding efforts to vacate illegal laws and EO's that have been implemented on Obama's watch. Most of these efforts are being spearheaded by private groups via court filings. Where are the GOP repeal bills? The answer is simple: they are not there because a centrist GOP will only block, not vacate. That's why the centrists in the GOP need to be voted out. We need alot more real conservatives in Congress.

Stu


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

Well done. I am not in support of tax dollars being used to support Planned Parenthood or NPR. There is plenty of private money out there to keep these organizations afloat. Up and useful and awesome too!


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Dave Mathews 5 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

IF?........Planned parenthood is merely another name for Abortion on demand,.........then Almighty God is against it and so am I.

IF?.......Planned parenthood is the educating of the youth today in the matters of "Safe Sex" and the introduction of methods to avoid getting pregnant in the first place, including the usage of condoms male or female and or the use of the pill.............God is still against such things and so am I but I will add, that if kids today are going to engage in sexual behaviour "Safe Sex" is sort of accepted, but total abstainance is preferred and the best way to avoid future problems.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Dave - You're absolutely right. If you keep the pickle in the jar then you won't have any worries.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog - too bad you weren't Billy C's senior advisor. You could have saved him alot of trouble.


Texasbeta 5 years ago

What you apparently don't get is there is a law that prevents federal money for abortion. Planned Parenthood doesn't use federal money for abortion, ever. They have been investigated year after year, and never have. In fact, abortion accounts for 3% of their services. They serve 1 in 5 American women, and obviously, not all concern abortions...97% actually.

So, how exactly does anything in this hub make sense being that the premise is fundamentally incorrect?

Now I appreciate $75 million. However, when we are talking about trillions, why exactly are the Republicans blocking the Democrats from eliminating tax subsidies to companies who ship jobs overseas? What about the $160 plus billion we gave to 3 oil companies for doing nothing? What about the hundreds of billions in corporate welfare? What about the top 4% paying only 17% in taxes? What about corporations that have a net worth over $1 billion paying on average a little over 1% in their business taxes? Billions and billions are in these...yet, Republicans want to eliminate Planned Parenthood and NPR? Yeah...totally about the deficit. Sure.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

And no one ever breaks the federal laws huh? That's why the federal prisons are packed to the gills. Maybe it would be best if you woke up to reality.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Texasbeta,

Planned Parenthood is directly or indiectly involved in over 300,000 abortions per year, most for convenience, where rape or danger to the mother is not involved. Further, there is no way to account for how PP allocates what it gets from the feds.

Your point about business subsidies is valid; BOTH the subsidies to business AND murder factories like PP should be ended. Subsidies to business are supported by both parties, not just the GOP. If GOP centrists (i.e., almost all GOP's) were kicked to the curb and replaced with genuine conservatives, you'd see a very different policy coming from the Republicans on business subsidies (they would vote to end them).

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - He might read your reply but I denied his comment. He seems to have some pent up hatred and is trolling articles writing nonsense.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog, put it back. Rebutting pent up hatred is my specialty. :)


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - Sorry. When you delete it is gone forever! He has a problem staying on topic.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

OK, NP. And yeah, I noticed!


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas

Hey Frog, the same could be asked of Medicare...what is Nancy Pelosi doing running her collagen injected lips saying, "Hands off Medicare" when she was the lead jackass in crafting Obamacare...the plan designed to eliminate the need for Medicare??? Ryan's proposal didn't really touch Medicare until around 2025 when Obamacare would already be firmly entrenched in our system? Some of the wires don't connect? These great thinkers are using a system they are trying to destroy as a justification for old people to vote for them? Nut??? WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas

By the way, Frog...you did miss something. PPH accounts for 25% of all the abortions in America and the government grant side of it is far more than $75 million dollars....that was just what was proposed for the remainder of the 2011 budget year. In fiscal year 2009, PPH received a total of $360 million dollars in taxpayer funding or slightly more than one-third of its entire operational revenue. The annual cost today will be even greater on an annual basis. This is an organization which if firmly established and quite capable of subsisting on its own merit considering that it has and annual revenue stream that exceeds $1 billion dollars. This is yet another never-ending example of how permanent the granting of federal money becomes no matter how well-heeled or profitable an organization becomes. As you stated, who's watching the henhouse? WB


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Wayne - I'm not sure I missed the fact that PP is the largest provider of abortions in this nation. I have asked my two Senators, my Rep is James Clyburn who is an Obama parrot, to audit PP. I'm waiting for their reply.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Wayne - Great comments about Medicare.

Frog - Bet DeMint beats Clyburn and Graham to the "Send" button (shame slows ya down). If it's of any interest, I took a test on the net that asks you a bunch of political questions, and then gives you a percentage score comparing your ideology to that of twelve persons that are possible primary candidates in 2012 for POTUS. My best match was DeMint at 63%. We were identical on fiscal issues, but I was more to the right on social issues (i.e., DeMint was more statist, and I was more libertarian). My worst match was Obie at .007%. On the Obie page, the computer said "We recommend that you not vote for this candidate." :)


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Wayne, from what I've heard, PP is directly or indirectly involved in over 300,000 abortions per year. If accurate, that's almost 1,000 per day. Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - It's known to be a baby killing factory. Think about who founded it and her philosophy. Hint - Margaret Sanger. Another hint - Eugenics.

The Frog


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

To me it is like 'separation of church and state'. We have people who believe differently and this all is personal, very. I say it should not have anything to do with the government or forcing us to pay for things we don't want. If a bunch of women libbers out there want to murder tiny forming infants then let them pay for it. It should not be taken out of the pockets of people who don't want the blood on their hands supporting it and we shouldn't be forced to!

James A Watkins has a hub on this too, did you know? About Margaret Sanger.

Great hub, Frog.

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