Is Ron Paul Electable? by Merwin

Below is the beginning of a FaceBook consversation that inspired this Hub.

Me ~ FB status posting...
Q: Why is it that both the Liberal AND Conservative Media and Parties, are trying to portray Ron Paul as "unelectable"..?

A: Because Big Government and its propaganda Machinery is very afraid.

Les... B: Because he is neither?

I only say that because I love some of his ideas and dislike others. He possesses deal-breaking qualities for the majority of Americans.

Me... LOL Les... deal breakers like..?

Les... Well, for the conservatives, it's obviously his foreign policy (one of the things I like about him so, you know he's in trouble there ;) and for the liberals/ progressives, it's education and healthcare.

And so... we may be left with the question, with these "deal breakers", Is Ron Paul Electable?

Before answering that, I would like to state that I don't think that Les meant this to be the only things about Ron Paul that he considers deal breakers. I think this may have been an off the cuff response to my FB status posting. I have a lot of respect for my good friend.

If we are speaking of Ron Paul's appearance as being much less than the seemingly mandatory, polished and micro-manage Hollywood visage, with the ever pleasing comfort of a deep baritone voice... then no, he would not be electable.

But lets have a look at Les' off the cuff, yet lucid points and pretend as though they were the only... "deal breakers" preventing Paul from being electable.

  1. Paul's foreign policy and the perspective that the GOP would not nominate him because of his position of removing our foreign presence.
  2. Paul's stated position of dissolving the Department of Education. (my assumption that it is Les' issue)
  3. Paul's position on Federal Health Care.

I will take each one of these in turn.

Paul's foreign policy is more appealing to the rank and file GOP member, than a Democrat might think. As Paul has mentioned on more than one occasion, "G. W. Bush was initially elected on a non-interventionist platform".

I think Paul's mandate of calling all our troops home is probably the one most unifying policy he has. It has an across the board, bipartisan enthusiasm among rank and file voters, that yes, "The Machine" of government may not like, but everyone else loves. We have no business being the world bully, or, self appointed Daddy to settle the third world's childish affairs.

That last paragraph is being too kind, and if the truth be told... well, that needs its own Hub.

Suffice to say that, nearly all they that vote, agree with Ron Paul's perspective on a foreign policy of non-intervention.

Paul's declaration that he would dissolve the Department of Education, may be where I start getting into trouble with the Dems.

The Democratic party is famous (especially in recent years) for being socially progressive, and turning that into a Federal Mandate of which they consider themselves champions. These concerns are genuine and legitimate, both for the voters and a few of those elected. After all, Jimmy Stewart's character, the Mr. Smith that went to Washington, was idealistic in a most endearing way, and he portrayed very genuine social values that were inspirational.

We were motivated by Stewart's wonderful portrayal and did not question the values for which the character became a hero. The movie also revealed to the scrutiny of the masses, the monstrous villain that is the D.C. Machine. But I digress.

It is these moments of genuine, social need portrayals, that tempt us all to do things that produce results that are less than what the man on the street Democrat would like to see happen. They (understandably) would like to see every Federal tax dollar that is allocated for any certain social need, go to that need and dispensed appropriately.

But that has never been what has happened. And the Department of Education is one of the worst offenders, that system is corrupt.

I will not (because of your time) provide a list of examples of corruption, we should all be able to write volumes, of how, out of all the billions of dollars, precious few pennies trickle down to the child at the desk. Instead let us take a tiny look at what may become of education should the engorged, and arrogant Juggernaut of the Federal, Department of Education be dissolved.

  • It would result in local State and community controls, and therefore pronounced and immediate accountable adjustments for those that utilize these new local facilities.
  • This new local oversight would result in much less waste, and thus greater wages and benefits for the instructors.
  • With the schools being operated more like businesses that are producing a product (good education), competition rather than apathy will be the standard.
  • New methods of assessing what has been learned by an individual, rather than the defensive "dumbing down" that is presently employed in order to show "how well" their curriculum is doing. It is very easy to pull down a 4.0 when that used to be a 2.5..!

These of course are my perspectives and my assessments that I have thrown together here in an "off the cuff" manner, I would really like to investigate what Ron Paul sees, as a result of his change.

Ron Paul on healthcare, this is much harder to reason with healthcare proponents about because...

  • The person that has even the slightest tone of detraction regarding Federal Health Care may be auto-esteemed to be a heartless bastard, and as such dismissed before he is heard.
  • Healthcare proponents may have already sold their farm, and bought this "Brooklyn Bridge" and cannot be convinced that their purchase is not a wise one.
  • The proponents have gained momentum, and once the Bandwagon is rolling it is hard to stop, even when it should be.

I have nothing against socialized medicine per se, what I have much against is the example of our Government's handling of healthcare for decades. I cite as the premier example, the atrocious record of our nation's VA hospitals. Were our representatives and our POTUS serious about socialized medicine, they would have taken the Veterans Administration Hospitals and made them the example to the world of what should be done in regard to socialized medicine. They should have taken the VAH's and made them their Flagships of Medicine in the U.S.

Then once it was made the largest most sophisticated system in the world... they then should have opened its doors to every U.S. citizen. This still, should be done, until then, shut up about value of government run health care.

Presently, this "Federally Run Facility" is much worse than a black eye indictment against our government running anything. It is an example of our government, OUR REPRESENTATIVE'S shameful willingness to lie to us.

Ron Paul has made it very clear that the Federal Government interference in the private sector's charitable efforts and organizations, has been a travesty, a bane, and not a boon.

Our citizenry is famous for being the most generous, giving nation in history. It is this, that we should rely on for helps in preventive medicine and catastrophic care. I hope we are given a modern and progressive opportunity to do so.

Me ~ FB status posting...
Q: Why is it that both the Liberal AND Conservative Media and Parties, are trying to portray Ron Paul as "unelectable"..?

A: Because Big Government and its propaganda Machinery is very afraid.

Les... B: Because he is neither?

You're right Les... he is neither.

Neither Liberal nor Conservative or at least what they are... instead of what we believe them to be, or wish they were.

Is Ron Paul electable..? No not really, he does not resemble the polished Hollywood model.

But his consistent policies and consistent voting records are! They, have a very keen resemblance to that character... that, Mr. Smith who went to Washington and found himself fighting against the Corrupt Machine.

The Machine mobilized all its forces to isolate Mr. Smith from those that elected him and marshaled their propaganda abilities to smear his good name and message. But his constituency caught wind of his plight and while Mr. Smith filibustered on the floor of Congress at the waning moments of his endurance... letters, baskets and bushels of letters of support, arrived from they that had elected him.

WE THE PEOPLE have to stop The Machine, and though our Mr. Smith does not have the charisma of Jimmy Stewart, he does have reality, he delivers real hope, real solutions, and a real record of consistency.

Ron Paul is very electable... really.




Comments 16 comments

Matthew Blacksher 4 years ago

Well sir he has my vote such as it is. And I'm trying to convince others to do the same...


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CoauthorU 4 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

Thank you my good friend.


Chasuk 4 years ago

I will probably vote for Ron Paul, because I agree with more of his positions than I disagree, and I don't believe that he will actually be able to make changes in the areas where we disagree.

I agree with Paul that the Federal Reserve should be abolished.

I agree with Paul's opposition to virtually all federal interference with the market process.

I agree with Paul's opposition to internet gambling restrictions.

I agree with Paul regarding jury nullification.

I agree with Paul that habeas corpus should remain inviolate.

I agree with Paul in his vote against the Patriot Act.

I agree with Paul in his opposition to the surveillance of American citizens.

I agree with Paul in his opposition to the reintroduction of the draft.

I agree with Paul in his support for legalized prostitution.

I agree with Paul in his opposition to eminent domain.

I agree with Paul's support of stem-cell research.

I agree with Paul's opposition to the federal death penalty.

I agree with Paul's advocacy of ending the War on Drugs.

I agree with Paul's support of Hamas and Palestine.

I agree with Paul that the United States embargo against Cuba should be stopped.

I DISAGREE with Paul's opposition to Roe v. Wade.

I DISAGREE with Paul's opposition to nationalized healthcare.

I DISAGREE with Paul's (apparent) opposition to same-sex marriage.

I DISAGREE with Paul's quasi-supportive position on prayer in public schools.

I DISAGREE with Paul's (failed) introduction of a Constitutional amendment giving states the power to prohibit the destruction of the US flag.

I am UNDECIDED or TORN regarding most other major political issues.


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calico Stark 4 years ago from Earth for the time being

Good points! This helps me! Thanks!


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CoauthorU 4 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

?2 Chas...

WOW... you appear to know more about Ron Paul than I do! KUDOS. Although politically Ron Paul is not for or against same sex marriage, he simply declares that the Federal Government has no business involving itself in that. That it should be a State decision.

2 calico Stark...

Thanks again for stopping by.

2 All...

Below is a link to 11 minute 15 second video that is a powerful endorsement of Ron Paul... I love this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMORBc--hx4&feature...


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vrajavala 4 years ago from Port St. Lucie

In order to have worldwide trading, we must have free acces to "the high seas". Pres Jefferson made sure that the Muslim pirates wouldn't be able to extract a huge tax from us for sailing the High seas.

Unfortunately, in order to protect our commerce, we need ti have a military presence.

JFK was assassinated months after he challenged the Fed reserves sole power to print

money.

States should control the schools. Instead of mandating that children learn about homosexuality.

Dr. Paul is a 76 yr old Don Quixote

He also has ties with George Soros, according ti Daniel Greenfield (author-journalist)


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CoauthorU 4 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

2 vrajavala...

Thanks for stopping by.

Where were you going with the JFK reference? If you are aware of the dangers for a POTUS to go against the Fed Res, then you must also be aware of their willingness to stop at nothing to prevent such a candidate from being elected, including any method to defame by associations.

Please give this more consideration, a person like Paul running is probably the last real chance this country has.

On 12/31/11 POTUS Obama signed NDAA law into existence please google it.

This link is very funny, but it is also very informative...

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-vi...


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

You are a class act, and if I disagree with you in a few places, I'm going to have to bring my A game. The truth is, I agree with just about everything you said. I find it very hard to articulate my thoughts into words on this for some reason. I think you've been to my website, and I'm sure that you realize that what I propose is nothing short of a smart revolution. I guess you could say a revolution of expectations. Radical changes need to be made in order to get us back to the basics which I so strongly believe in. My ideas on foreign-policy look somewhat like Mr. Paul's in a sense, but are much different in places. I believe that we should only go to war when there is a national security issue at hand, and I believe that going to war should require congressional approval. I believe that you go to war to kill people not to rebuild a nation. Other than what my grandfather said about Vietnam. "Too much politics, not enough killing" look, war is awful and death is unavoidable. I have first-hand experience with taking another man's life, and it's horrible, but this idea of wall and drawn out sanitary military action is for the birds. If we must go to war left the generals running not Washington. Let's make it fast, let's make it ugly, and let's get it over with in 36 or 48 hours. The world has a short memory. We dropped nuclear bombs on a couple of major cities at the end of World War II, vaporized about 300,000 people, and five years later the entire planet wanted to be just like us. I know I'm harsh on this, but I believe what I said with all my heart.

I believe that we should get out of the World Bank and the United Nations. I further believe that if we involve ourselves in skirmishes abroad such as Libya, that we should do it by invitation, and set up fee to be collected once we achieve our initiative.I hate to say it, but sort of like a hired gun from the Wild West. I won't spend a lot of time on that here though.

My problem with Ron Paul isn't so much with Ron Paul's ideas, rather with Ron Paul himself. I know this sounds crummy, but I've got to say it anyway. Of all the candidates he has the least charisma. In fact he doesn't have any charisma. This has nothing to do with the man or his character, or his ideas. This is where it gets hard for me to explain. You've heard it's not what you say but how you say it. Much of what he says is beautiful, but how he says it has a tendency to make the message less beautiful.

We will never get back to the gold standard I don't think. It will take years to eliminate the IRS and change the tax code. In my opinion, many of his ideas are just that.. ideas. Again, it's just my opinion, but I think Ron Paul sees our country for what it should be, and not what it can be for a long long time. That doesn't mean that we don't get started working on his ideas, but we're looking down the barrel of a couple of guns and that has to be addressed pronto.

The other thing that bothers me, and maybe you can help me out with this, is the fact that when asked if he could see himself in the Oval Office, he said "not really". I'm just being honest with this stuff, and you know I don't mean any disrespect for you or Mr. Paul. But it seems that Mr. Paul is out to make a point, not become our next president. In my opinion, that makes him a genius for what he's pulling off, but not a serious contender.

Hey, this is just one guy rattling, and look. I don't even have any pants. I'm just the piano player in a whore house,so what do I know? (Laughing)

My friend, I love your work and I respect your ideas.

Jim


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CoauthorU 4 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

2 Jim...

MAN... I love your perspective... it is spot on!

That being said, allow my variations of that same perspective, to be thrown into your mix.

First and foremost, is the same time element that you so rightly advanced. Name any other Presidential candidate that even comes close to our "immediate" NEED for change, and I will change horses, in mid-stream..!

Nothing?

As far as him (Paul), being UN-charismatic..? They said the same of Lincoln, but Lincoln's policies were unmistakeably correct..! I mean have you seen pictures of Lincoln..? The man was ugly, and it is recorded that his voice was less than appealing.

Paul's policies, for the most part, are next thing to right on, and, "the time, she is a wasting, (NDAA signed by Obama 12/31/11)..!" And Paul, in spite of his lack of charisma, has generated huge MOMENTUM!

I must say this (Paul) looks like not only like our "Perfect Storm", but, very much like, our "last storm of opportunity".


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calico Stark 4 years ago from Earth for the time being

@amanwithnopants...I love your style! I am still not sure what I think of Ron Paul but I sure had fun reading what you think! And coauthoru it takes an excellent hub to generate excellent commentary!


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

You got me there with the Lincoln thing my friend. Boy, talk about kill shot! I really shouldn't get into these things based on my gut feelings. I know, particularly, when discussing politics, that gut feelings don't go too far even with a civil debate. I was going to write a hub of on Ron Paul, but I didn't simply because I don't like writing things unless I can back it up with facts. If so when it comes to Ron Paul, just pretend that we're in a barbershop and I'm that fat ass sitting in the barber chair all lathered up, looking at the ceiling and telling everybody how everything REALLY goes down.

At the risk of just plain sounding stupid, I still stand by what I said. I just can't give you a bona fide rebuttal. (Laughing)

I wanted to mention to you, and I should probably do this and e mail, but it concerns my little organization. We are not taking donations right now from anyone. We're still working on the legalities of the 501C3. I want members and donar's and contributions to to be tax-deductible, but we're not going to use the money for charity, so it creates a technical problem on the surface. I got somebody good working on, so will get it done. Were going to use the money for rallies, television advertising, and all those cool things that it takes to wake up Americans, show them how and where we're all getting screwed, remind them that it's 300 million against 435, and as soon as we want to start winning again, we can. A.k.a. (stirring up trouble) Sorry, seems I can't do anything without doing a little soap boxing. :/

Anyway, I sure didn't want you to think that I was trying to come in the back door looking for a handout. I'm not that couth. When we're all set up with no holes in the foundation, I'll be talking about money, how much we need, and exactly where it's going holding up my hand palms up. Right now we're just gathering up troops and that's it. People are so focused on the election itself, that it tests their attention span when it comes to something like a little old smart revolution. But I am planning on coming out of the box strong at the end of November. If

In any case my friend, I wanted to mention that about the money thing so that there is no misunderstanding!

Jim


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Calico,

What a nice thing to say! You've got to develope some kind of style when you've got an I.Q. of 35 and want to hang with smart dudes like the owner of this site. (laughing) Thanks for saying something so darn nice!

Jim


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vrajavala 4 years ago from Port St. Lucie

Something else that you may not be aware of is Dr. Paul's collaboration with Barney Frank in structuring the Defense funding cuts. Author/Journalist, Trevor Loudon, describes how most of the agenda was written by Communists and Socialists, without Dr. Paul contributing much more than blind zeal.

http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/01/blinded-by-the...


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CoauthorU 4 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

2 Jim...

I too like calico, enjoy your style... high intelligence mixed with generous portions of self deprecating humor, right up my alley. Thanks again for your kinds words.

It is a good thing you are not yet ready to receive contributions because I am not set yet to send any so it works, I am sure we will keep each other updated.

2 vrajavala...

I don't really care if Congressman Paul worked with Bozo the Clown in order to pass something that was constitutionally correct. Guilt by association, is not necessarily guilt, it may simply be association. I suggest you reconsider your attempts to defame someone simply because they may have shaken someone's hand. Who is Barney Frank... and what is his crime?


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AnesaK 4 years ago from USA

I agree 100% on everything you wrote but do think that Ron Paul's ideas are too radical for mainstream Washington and will hurt his electability (and the corporate media is behind this sentiment as well). I agree with one of the responders that he lacks the charisma to get his massage across to the wider plublic. He does come across as genuine and confident, however, and I really like that about him. The other republican candidates are just...rediculous. Voted up!


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CoauthorU 4 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

2 AnesaK...

Thank you for stopping by and leaving your kind comments it is much appreciated.

I believe that for every new voice that speaks out in favor of Ron Paul and his positions, it is an important encouragement for hundreds of others to at least take a look at what he represents.

To nearly everyone that has taken a look, they see a person that has virtually never changed a position in 30 years of service in the public arena, which represents unmatched consistency.

They see a politician that has never voted for anything that was unconstitutional even when it may have been politically and financially advantageous to do so, which speaks to us of an honesty that we may bank on.

They see a voting record that has never wavered or waffled away from his promises which speaks of abiding courage.

In answer to your question do I think that his ideas are too radical for mainstream Washington..? I certainly hope so because I am campaigning to have all them VOTED OUT.

Again thank you for stopping by, stand up for Liberty, and if you are so inclined please run for office as a Constitutionalist.

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