Jared Lee Loughner - The You Tube Transcripts

Right-wing killer & assassin Jared Loughner
Right-wing killer & assassin Jared Loughner

In the event that authorities pull alleged assassin Jared Loughner's You Tube messages as they did with his Facebook and MySpace materials, I have taken the liberty of making a transcription for public viewing. One will also find this easier to read than the original format Loughner used on You Tube.

Using this collection of writing I intend to follow up with a second essay of my own (available here: http://hubpages.com/hub/Jared-Lee-Loughner-Whos-to-Blame ), arguing that though Loughner probably has some sort of emotional disturbance and is certainly immature and gullible, he is not "insane", a simple-minded drug addict, or a fame-seeking thrill killer-- the picture FOX News has been at pains to paint in the first few hours after the attempted murder of Rep. Giffords, presumably in an effort to deflect the criticism that will surely drop on them in coming days for their support of Tea Party extremism and mythology as spread especially by Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, and embedded in most commentary being passed off as their "news."

At the moment, however, I would ask the reader to go through the writings of Loughner presented here and bear a few things in mind as you do so:

1) Loughner is more guilty of being illiterate himself (a charge he enjoys throwing at others) than being "mentally disjointed." Having graded many papers by young college students with a poor grasp on logic and the English language, and after spending from 1985 to 2009 working with severely mentally ill people at a public mental health facility, Jared Loughner sounds more nearly like a college student puffed up on a small bit of learning he takes for expertise than a psychotic person. Loughner, by and large, cannot express himself clearly.

2) That said, Loughner thinks he has important things to say -- again, a student puffed up with fragmentary exposure to the residue of knowledge, believing this to be the whole of reality. But he is talking about things that Glenn Beck and the Tea Partiers talk about, from appealing to Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution to claim that the present government is illegal because it prints money not backed by gold and silver to hinting that attacking representatives of this "evil, false government" would not be terrorism, but patriotism or allegiance to the "real Constitution." My point: as you read Loughner, try to see past the odd way he writes and the strangulated use of deductive logic and notice how little of what he says is unique; see how much of what he says sounds like everything we have heard from Tea Partiers for years.

Past this point, everything you read outside of brackets is Loughner's words. I did my best to copy his errors and correct none of them, even for clarity's sake. I will attempt a translation into standard English when I write my own forthcoming essay.

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"Hello" [Document 1]

“Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner.

“This video is my introduction to you! My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the greatest inspiration for my political business information. Some of you don’t dream -- sadly.

“Firstly, the current government officials are in power for their currency, but I’m informing you of a new currency! If you’re treasurer of a new money system, then you’re responsible for the distributing of a new currency. We now know -- the treasurer for a new money system, is the distributor of the new currency. As a result, the people approve a new money system which is promising new information that’s accurate, and we truly believe in a new currency. Above all, you have your new currency, listener?

“Secondly, my hope -- is for you to be literate! If you’re literate in English grammar, then you comprehend English. The majority of people, who reside in District-8, are illiterate -- hilarious. I don’t control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.

“Thirdly, I know who’s listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don’t know this accurate information of a new currency, aren’t aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn’t have happen.

“In conclusion, my ambition -- is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I’m conscience dreaming! Thank you!”

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

"Introduction: Jared Loughner" [Document 2]

 

“My Final Thoughts: Jarred Lee Loughner!

“Most people who read this text, forget in the next 2 second!

“The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%

“If 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E. then the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 B.C.E. is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.

“987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E.

“Therefore, the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 B.C.E. is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.

“If B.C.E. years are unable to start then A.D.E years are unable to begin.

“B.C.E. years are unable to start.

“Thus A.D.E years are unable to begin.

“If A.D.E is endless in year then the years in A.D.E don’t cease.

“A.D.E is endless in year.

“Therefore, the years in A.D.E don’t cease.

“If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that’s replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

“I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation .

“Thus , the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that’s replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

“Every human who’s mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.

“If you’re able to create a new currency then you’re able to create a second new currency.

“If you’re able to create second new currency then you’re able to create third new currency.

“You create one new currency.

“Thus, you’re able to create a third currency.

“You’re treasurer of a new currency, listener?

“You create and distribute your new currency, listener?

“You don’t allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?

“If you create one new language then you’re able to create a second new language.

“If you’re able to create a second new language then you’re able to create a third new language.

“You create one new language.

“Thus, you’re able to create a third new language.

“All humans are in need of sleep.

“Jared Loughner is a human.

“Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep.

“Sleepwalking.

“If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

“I define sleepwalking.

“Thus, sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

“I’m a sleepwalker -- who turns off the alarm clock.

“All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.

“Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.

“Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep.

“Terrorist.

“If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

“I define terrorist.

“Thus, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

“If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me terrorist is Ad hominem.

”You call me a terrorist.

“Thus, the argument to call me terrorist is Ad hominem.

 

“Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving a mini bible before the tests.

“Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.

“Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving a mini bible before the tests.

“I didn’t write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote on the application: None.

“The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America’s Constitution.

“You don’t have to accept the federalist laws.

“Nonetheless, read the United States of America’s Constitution to apprehend all the current treasonous laws.

“You’re literate, listener?

“If the property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

“The property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.

“Thus, the revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

“In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications; The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

“No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver!

“No! I won’t trust in God!

“What’s government if words don’t have meaning?”

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

“How To: Your New Currency!" [Document 3]

 

“If I’m thinking of creating a new currency then I’m thinking of a design for my new coins size, shape, color, material, and image to start a new money system.

“I’m thinking of creating a new currency.

“Therefore, I’m thinking of a design for my new coins size, shape, color, material, and image to start a new money system.

“Your new coin!

“This is an example!

“[left]Name

Front

“[right] Name

Back

“If I’m thinking of creating a new coin that’s in my control as treasurer then I’m thinking my new coin is starting a new currency system.

“I’m thinking of creating a new coin that’s in my control as treasurer .

“Hence, I’m thinking my new coin is starting a new currency system.

“If I’m possessing 0 new coins , and add 0 new coins to the new money system then my treasury is 0 new coins.

“I’m possessing 0 new coins , and add 0 new coins to the new money system.

“Therefore, my treasury is 0 new coins.

“0(coin) + 0(coin) = 0 (Treasury)

“If I’m possessing 0 new coins , and add 1 new coins to the new money system then my treasury is 0 new coins.

“I’m possessing 0 new coins , and add 1 new coins to the new money system.

“Therefore, my treasury is 1 new coins.

“0(coin) + 1(coin) = 1 (Treasury)

 

“If I’m possessing 1 new coins , and add 1 new coins to the new money system then my treasury is 2 new coins.

“I’m possessing 1 new coins , and add 1 new coins to the new money system.

“Therefore, my treasury is 2 new coins.

“1(coin) + 1(coin) = 2 (Treasury)

“If I’m possessing 10,000 new coins , and add 1 new coins to the new money system then my treasury is 10,001 new coins.

“My treasury isn‘t 10,001 coins.

“Thus, I’m possessing 10,000 new coins and didn’t add 1 new coin to the new money system.

“10,000 (coin) + 0(coin) = 10,000 (Treasury)

“What’s the date of your new coin?

“What’s the first number in B.C.E.?

“ß à

“54231012345

“If 2011 A.D.E is the current year then 2012 A.D.E is the following year.

“2011 A.D.E is the current year .

“Therefore, 2012 A.D.E is the following year.

“Is A.D.E endless in year?

“Where’s your new coins location?

“[Three concentric circles. The outermost is labeled “Universe.” The second ring is labeled “Solar System.” In the middle of the “Solar System” is a dot labeled “Earth.” A line labeled “Coin Name” is drawn to the Earth.]

“The location of your new coin!

“Place a name on your new coin!

“If I’m thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number then I’m thinking of adding 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system.

“I’m thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number .

“Thus, I’m thinking of adding 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system.

“You decide the pronunciation of your new symbol and number!

“Your new symbol and number! [The symbol is a squiggle and the number looks akin to a seven drawn with a curve instead of a hard angle.]

“Who possesses your new coin?

“You’re distributing your new currency lethally to people or you’re distributing your new currency non-lethally to people.

“You’re not distributing your new currency lethally to people.

“Thus, you’re distributing your new currency non-lethally to people.

“Are you possessing a new currency?”

 http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/u/4/E8Wr6AeZTCE

"How To: Mind Controller" [Document 4]

 

“If I’m the mind controller then I control the belief and religion.

“ - Action

“ - Thought

“ - Location

“ - Food

[Diagram: Upside-down block ‘Y’: At top, “Mind Controller”; at bottom left branch, “Belief”; at bottom right branch, “Religion”.]

“If you’re editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century then the writer for every belief and religion is you.

“You’re editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century .

“Thus, the writer for every belief and religion is you.

“You control every - thought, action, and lifestyle - for the person or people as the mind controller.

“I’m able to control every belief and religion by being the mind controller!”

 http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/u/2/PnNx0WThoF0

"This student at Pima Community College: An Unconstitutional Crime!" [Document 5]

 

“Fraud

“If I’m not receiving the purchase from a payment then I’m a victim of fraud.

“I’m not receiving the purchase from a payment .

“Therefore, I’m a victim of fraud.

“All purchases for an educational course in the United States as of now are unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America’s Constitution.

“A student paying for a Pima Community College course is a purchase for an educational course in the United States as of now .

“Therefore, a student paying for a Pima Community College course is unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America’s Constitution.

“If you’re receiving a grade from Pima Community College class then the grade you are receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights.

“You’re receiving a grade from Pima Community College class .

“Therefore, the grade you are receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights.

“The grading you purchase from Pima Community College is unconstitutional at tuition.

“The United States Department of Education is allowing unconstitutional facility’s to operate or the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility’s to operate.

“The United States Department of Education isn’t allowing unconstitutional facility’s to operate .

“Thus, the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility’s to operate.

“If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional.

“The police remove you from the educational facility for talking.

“Thus, removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional.

“This situation is fraud because the police are unconstitutional!

“Every police officer in the United States as of now is unconstitutionally working.

“Pima Community College police are police in the United States.

“Therefore, Pima Community College police are unconstitutionally working.

“The police are unconstitutionally working!

“All United States of America’s college programs are unconstitutional colleges that’s in accordance with the United States of America’s Constitution.

“Pima Community College is a United States of America’s college program.

“Hence, Pima Community College is an unconstitutional college that’s in accordance with the United States of America’s Constitution.

“Every Pima Community College class is using free sources for education from the internet.

“Algebra is a Pima Community College class.

“Thus, Algebra is a free source for education from the internet.

“Every Pima Community College class is always a scam!

“If you’re literate in English grammar then you know English grammar.

“You don’t know English grammar.

“Thus, you’re not literate in English grammar.

“Most of the teachers and students at Pima Community College are illiterate.

““If I’m thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number then I’m thinking of adding 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system.

“I’m thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number .

“Thus, I’m thinking of adding 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system.

“You control the grammar!”

“Your new symbol and number! [ Diagram: The ‘symbol’ looks akin to a sideways ‘Y’ and the ‘number’ is a squiggle with a star-shaped blotch at the right end.]

“Don’t be scared to know you can’t find the location of a subject: Most students can’t locate a subject!

“Most people know all the subjects are for mind control and brainwash!

“The students are unconstitutionally paying for free education!

“The students are attending a torture facility!

“You know the teachers are con artists?

“You now know every college’s unconstitutional crime!

“You shouldn’t pay unconstitutional money for free speech!

“Don’t trust the current government, listener!”

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/u/3/VhAx8WzNJT0

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Richard VanIngram 4 years ago from San Antonio, Texas Author

Remain Skeptical -- I know about MK ULTRA, which was horrid. I'm not sure it's connected to this issue: too conspiratorial for my tastes. But the trial, when it happens, may settle some of this.


Remain Skeptical 4 years ago

There are widespread reports of a second attendant, a man who accompanied Mr. Loughner who - on the day he was taken into custody -

was clearly not the same person he was when the bright and cheery photo of the young man offered in this MSNBC article was taken.

From a Jan. 8, 2011 article on Examiner.com:

"During a press conference held on January 8, 2011, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik provided more information regarding the

Arizona shooting and suspected gunman Jared Loughner. Sheriff Dupnik also stated that authorities have not ruled out the

possibility of a second shooter. “We're not convinced that [Loughner] acted alone. There is some reason to believe he came to this

location with another individual,” he stated. More information regarding Jared Loughner was released including that he was

rejected by the U.S. Army for service."

Assuming Loughner is the author of the purported YouTube videos - authorities have erased his MySpace page (should be a red flag) -

a man in such a state of incoherence, a man so young and probably not particularly well-informed about political affairs,

particularly judges - among those shot - and their DAILY SCHEDULES, would likely not be the mastermind behind this successfully

executed shooting.

Everyone needs to be aware of a covert program dubbed MKULTRA which, at the cost of over $25 Million USD from the 1940s - the late

1970s, and with major psychologists and neurologists and over 80 premier research institutions throughout the US and Canada,

experimented on unwitting and unconsenting children and adults in horrific mind control experiments, using electro-convulsive

therapy, electrode brain implants, insulin shocking, forced coma and seizure induction, sleep and sensory deprivation methods and

extensive hypnosis to see if it would be possible to program "manchurian candidates" of sorts, who could be commanded by

intelligence personnel to commit heinous crimes and assassinations under one personality and then not retain any memory of the

events under another. Even former Nazi doctors were recruited for some of the experiments, under Operation Paperclip. One of the

many prominent and supremely unethical physicians involved in the experimentation was Donald Ewen Cameron, professor of psychiatry

and chairman of the department at McGill University and director of the Allen Memorial Hospital, as well as president of the the

American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, the World Psychiatric Association, the American

Psychopathological Association, and the Society of Biological Psychiatry. Several of his disturbing and heinous studies on mind

programming are listed on Pubmed and may pertain to the Loughner case:

Effects of repetition of verbal signals, 1946

Selective amnesia, 12/3/1959

Further report on effects of repetition of verbal signals, 1960

Effects of chemical agents on memory, 1963

Mr. Loughner's odd Youtube poems seem to be obsessed with 3 themes:

1. Syllogistic patterns with programmable outcomes:

Each of the entries, with minor variances, begin with a simple proposition: "If A is true, then B is true."

They conclude with a statement of a case fitting the said conditional: "A is true, therefore B is true."

Could these be a hypnotic template, whereby the controlling agent can frame conditionals and insert answers, then recall them with

the right triggers - while Jared is "sleepwalking"? Could the mind programmer be the "treasurer" who then makes Jared beleive, by carryin out his instructions, he is the all-powerful "treasurer," capable of determining one's "action," "thought," "location," "food," "beleif"?

2. They revolve around themes of Mind Control, Mind programming, being aware of one's activity while "sleepwalking" and the desire

to escape unjust systems of control - be it religion, currency, time, language or simply knowledge that Loughner perceives should

be free - such as Algebra - and therefore not subject to charge of tuition fees for instruction.

3. A theme of liberation is also present in the texts: one can control and escape the various forms of oppression through realizing

the inherent contradictions he perceives in the systems' claims for supremacy, and escaping them via the creation of one's own magical code - what he calls "grammar" - to reset or escape the current, unjust one. The theme of "unconstitutionality" serves as a general metaphor for the injustice of the various codes, and the proper knowledge of the genuine "Constitution of the United States of America" or - in other poems - "correct English Grammar" grants permission to rescind and transcend the limiting codes. In the last syllogism, terrorism is loosely, vaguely associated with being the key to this liberatory code resetting.

Could it be that Jared's embrace of "correct English Grammar" is his own attempt to overcome the oppressive programming and "mind control" of the people he met at the Tuscon Military Entrance Processing Station? via a careful examination of various kinds of syllogisms and speech formulas used in the hypnotic programming?

The fact that there is a second figure, in his 40s or 50s reported in several news stories in association with Loughner - who may also be a second gunman - is very disturbing and fits right in with the pattern of a controlling agent necessary to trigger the cues in Loughner's programmed grammar - which he perhaps received under the auspices or in conjunction with his involvements with the Tuscon Military Entrance Processing Station, mentioned in the last riddle

As one observer noted on the conspiratorial website, AboveTopSecret, the selection of Mr. Loughner's favorite books and the general

"anti-government" sentiment make his actions easily attributable to a far-right or far-left wingnut case, who might disagree with

Ms. Gifford's corporatist centrist economic stances typical of the dominating factions of both the GOP and Democratic Party, making

his case easy fodder for those who would like to create further smear campaigns about those from either side of the political

spectrum who speak out against the status quo and therefore justify increased surveillance and suppression of political dissidents:

think someone who supports Alan Grayson (Left) or Walter B. Jones, Jr. (Right). The terrorist action by this individual - who is either extremely disturbed and psychotic - or the sad victim of an MK-ULTRA-like operation, becomes a proxy in the national media to push through and support draconian police-state like surveillance measures, informaiton, expression and association restrictions, etc.

The case so closely resembles that of Sirhan Sirhan in the RFK shooting - Sirhan's strange repetitive "kill RFK" diary entry (completely out of sync with his other writings and speech), his complete lack of memory of the shooting, the second gunman, the 13 found bullet shells versus 8 bullet cartridge of Sirhan's gun, Sirhan's climbing walls on command upon being taken into custody, etc. - my stomach begins to turn.

Before immediately labeling my hunches that Loughner is MK ULTRA as the musings of an aluminum hat conspiratorial nutjob, just look up the copious declassified files of MK ULTRA, Project Artichoke, Project Mockingbird and the findings of the Church Committee of 1975 (aka the "United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities"). Also consider the persistent reports of a second gunman/accomplice, the strange lack of surveillance camera coverage at a media event or a grocery store, and the dramatic difference between Loughner's personality as he was found after the shooting versus as his associates knew him. If the MK ULTRA reports or the "Radiation Exposure Compensation Act" of 1990, which - as of October 14, 2009 - has so far issued $1,444,082,096 in claims payments for victims of exposure to radiation from completely top secret nuclear testing in Nevade during the 1950s - claims fiercely denied by the US Military


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Richard VanIngram 5 years ago from San Antonio, Texas Author

Oh, Pat. How utterly original and brave! Your mom must be so proud of you. Be sure to leave your whole name next time so we can have a chat -- if you think you can hold up your end of such....


Pat 5 years ago

Drinking the Kool Aid again Richard?


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Mr Tindle 5 years ago

My comment about hobos isn't meant to condemn anybody. I'm no Mother Theresa, but I have made efforts to aid those in need.

My point was that there are people with serious mental health issues that fall through the cracks in our society (and others also). These unfortunate people can pose a danger to themselves and others. Loughner was not homeless, but he is an example of someone with mental health issues who ended up hurting himself and and his victims.


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Richard VanIngram 5 years ago from San Antonio, Texas Author


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Richard VanIngram 5 years ago from San Antonio, Texas Author

Mr. Tindle -- "Hobos"?! Where do you live -- a railyard in 1935?

I worked in the field of mental health with serious and persistantly mentally ill people for 13 years, 10 of those years intimately involved in the lives and crises of people. some of whom were regularly suicidal, extremely delusional, some of whom were angry and frustrated, some of whom were more intelligent and creative than you and me put together -- and once in a great while I encountered someone who was a threat to others for some period of time. None of them sounded or wrote things quite like Loughner does.

Stop and actually have a conversation with your "hobos" once in a while, Tindle. You'll find they are nothing like Loughner, no more than you are. One piece of circumstantial evidence supporting what I'm saying here is that your "hobos" are not running amok with Glocks killing political figures and crowds at political events -- nor are they shooting at you as you pass them by disdainfully looking down your nose at them.

Again, go read my essay at http://hubpages.com/hub/Jared-Lee-Loughner-Whos-to

if you want to have a fuller discussion there about this false idea that Loughner is "merely" mentally ill, therefore we should dismiss his political motivations.


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Mr Tindle 5 years ago

The ramblings that Loughner typed out on the internet, (which do include some vague & disjointed political rhetoric in them) are still just ramblings. They are more evidence of being mentally ill than being right wing. I've walked past hobos in the streets mumbling and ranting in a similar manner referencing religion, politics, or paranoid delusions about government. Does this mean if one of these people assaults somebody or kills them, which happens sometimes, that their actions should be associated with a particular group of people?


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Richard VanIngram 5 years ago from San Antonio, Texas Author

Mr. Tindle -- Thanks. If there was no political motivation, though, why did Loughner choose to attack a political figure at a political event? This wasn't a mugging or a crime of opportunity; and Loughner has been writing and talking about a return to "the gold and silver standards, the "illegality" of paper money, the invalidity of the Federal government, paranoid conspiracy theories about "The Government," the absolutism of one's "freedom" (including freedom of speech & the freedom to use drugs)."

Loughner sounds exactly like many followers of the right-wing Sovereign Citizens Movement which has been involved in major anti-governmental violence as recently as Nov. 2010. Additionally, many things espoused by the Tea Party have been influenced by this movement -- the gold standard obsession, the belief the federal government is completely illigitimate and "tyrannical," the belief the 14th Amendment and 17th Amendment (among others) are evil, and so forth. Loughner has been drinking political Kool Aid and it smells of the American right-wing's fringe.


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Mr Tindle 5 years ago

Richard,

Thanks I will be sure to read your other hub. I'm sorry though, there is just no evidence of any political motivation. There is evidence of someone who lost touch with reality.


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Richard VanIngram 5 years ago from San Antonio, Texas Author

Mr. Tindle: Assassination, like other forms of terrorism, is a particular kind of crime -- a political crime. Read my other essay at http://hubpages.com/politics/Jared-Lee-Loughner-Wh...

to get a better understanding of the difference between the common crime of murder and why Loughner's actions are better categorized and understood in a political context. Certainly, crimes, in general, are commited by all sorts of people; but THIS crime was commited by a person influenced in some meaningful way by right-wing, ultra-conservative fringe political ideas.


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Richard VanIngram 5 years ago from San Antonio, Texas Author

Thank you lovelee.


lovelee1 5 years ago

thanx 4 posting these transcripts essential evidence 4 any understanding of the motivations of this assassin. thanx 4 providing your expert distinction between the clinically insane & the ignorant/arrogant uni student.

thanx 4 the link to your analysis which is so rich in details.


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Mr Tindle 5 years ago

Crimes, including murderous rampages, are committed by people with all kinds views, beliefs, and political philosophies. Loughner's defining moment in his life will be that he committed an atrocious massacre. It really doesn't make a bit of sense to try and decipher what the motives were (political or otherwise).


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Richard VanIngram 5 years ago from San Antonio, Texas Author

Grizwald: 1) I am writing an essay at the moment that will answer what you have said here. Not only politics has been involved in this attack, but politics played a tremedous role. And the politics were right-wing, not left -- probably of some sort of libertarian/Tea Party variety. One can dislike this all one wishes, but I know of no left leaning movements in this country favoring the gold and silver standards, the "illegality" of paper money, the invalidity of the Federal government, paranoid conspiracy theories about "The Government," the absolutism of one's "freedom" (including freedom of speech & the freedom to use drugs). All of that is libertarian/Tea Party nonsense and all of that is listed by Loughner himself as motive.

2) Innocent people were killed for no good reason. Jared Loughner did the killing. Therefore, he is a killer. Loughner, in a note found by the FBI, described his act as an "assassination." He attacked an elected official and a federal judge; by definition and by admission, he is an assassin. I am not a journalist or a lawman or a prosecutor; I am an essayist. I am not bound to call Loughner a "suspect" or "alleged killer" or whatever -- I will simply call him a killer and an assassin, which are simply accurate descriptive terms for such a person.


Grizwald 5 years ago

In the photograph of Jared Lee Loughner, I note a few mistakes in the caption underneath. First, it labels him as "right-wing." If one read the article in the New York Times about him, this is probably a misnomer as he believed in more liberal ideas (see Sunday, January 9th, page 18). But for argument's sake, let's say he is "right-wing." What is the purpose of tying his heinous crime to a political party? Is it not true that people commit crimes regardless of their bi-partisan persuasion? It does a great disservice to those who suffered at the hands of this man to reduce it to politics in this country. Even if that was not the intent of the person who captioned the photo, it is how it is often understood by many. It implicity insinuates a connection. Actually, reading through more of the information on him, I don't think he can be tied fairly to the right or left. His understanding of many things seems to be partial and fragmentary and his attempted use of logic is absurd.

Second, he is labeled as a "killer" and "assassin." He has not yet been tried in a court of law and is therefore innocent until proven guilty. It would be better to call him a "suspect," or even "prime suspect."

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