Chemtrails debunker JazzRoc - the exclusive interview

Who is JazzRoc?

A friend of mine from Tenerife in the Canary Islands, who goes by the name of JazzRoc on the Internet, is probably most famous for debunking the chemtrails conspiracy theory. It is a subject he originally found out about from me, as it happens. I know him as someone who cares about nature and the environment as much as I do. And, like me, he is also a musician. As his name suggests he has a liking for jazz!

At the height of the problems JazzRoc was experiencing with "chemtrailers" who were posting all sorts of insane nonsense about him I knew the truth. He was getting banned from websites including YouTube and the David Icke forums. People simply couldn't cope with what he was saying. I knew he was not working for the CIA, a "shill" or a paid shadow government employee. So who is the real JazzRoc? Let us find out in the interview below.

Why the name JazzRoc?

As a child I discovered I was exceptionally musical when I was about three. I spent much time listening to the radio in the front room to light and classical music. That room also contained an Allison upright piano, and I soon grasped how it worked. I have small hands and knew nothing about finger techniques (I still don't) and worked out a way of playing it that kept me happy. I worked out the chords and figured out their emotions.

In grammar school ten years later I picked up a ukelele one day and found it was easily strummable and playable and within my means to purchase.

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After a couple of years I bought a brand new round hole guitar for a fiver, and learnt to play Lonnie Donegan and Everley Brothers' songs with friends. I joined a "band" as a pianist and played "Nutrocker" (by Bee Bumble and the Stingers) as a specialty act.

When I was an (always impecunious) sixth-former I took a train trip down to Tin Pan Alley and purchased the components to construct a bass guitar (Fender Precision Basses cost as much as a small car in those days), and by the time I left school I had a fully-working bass guitarist's set (made out of a 5 watt Bush radio amplifier and a 12 inch loudspeaker mounted in a concrete sewer pipe). The 20% efficiency of that arrangement (as opposed to the 2% efficiency of a normal speaker cabinet) gave me 50 watts of effective power - and cost me
about twenty quid - total.

During this same period I pooled what remained of my pocket money (five bob a week) with friends to buy a barrel of beer to consume on alternate Friday nights. This was consumed at the home of the son of an artist - a terraced house which was beautifully-furnished with tapestries and artworks, a great kitchen and garden - and jazz LPs.

I also saw "Jazz on a Summer's Day", a ground-breaking jazz-festival film which I would recommend to anyone even today (You can find it these days on streaming video).

The way I figured it then was that jazz was WAY out of my class, and that rock was powerful, exciting, and, above all, accessible to me. So there you are - I call myself "JazzRoc" because I love both rock and jazz.

Please tell my readers a bit about yourself.


Well, I'm very average in build, stature, appearance. Unprepossessing, I'd say. This doesn't make it easy to be noticed, except by doing things. That's what I do - I DO things. I studied maths, science and engineering, and spent my professional life as an industrial engineering designer "doing things". Now I'm retired I'm attempting to "do things" musically. I have taken Frank Zappa's advice on this.

I have little time for people who attempt to modify my world on a non-scientific basis. Science, the scientific method, literature, art and music are the only bases for Man's existence. All the rest is mere gossip.

Philosophically I started as a socialist, leaned about anarchism (not anarchy!) from the works of Prince Kropotkin and became an anarcho-syndicalist.

About fifteen years ago I learned about Permaculture from a book by Bill Mollison and learned to garden and become one with Nature. I recommend those subjects to everyone. They will live beyond our present cities and "agribusinesses".

What are some of the highlights of your varied career?

Being in three bands at once the day after I built my own kit. Bringing the house down at Southampton Civic Centre with our band "The Modern Art of Living" - in fact having a great time for one in every five gigs. Marrying my talented wife. Building various machines that worked succesfully, including one that was instrumental in the creation of the Internet. Putting a managing director behind bars for fraud. Coming to live here in Tenerife. Successfully composing music I am pleased with. Some work with you, Bard!

How did you get involved in the chemtrails versus contrails debate?

I met a gentleman with a green beard who told me a lot of tall tales. To my horror I discovered there was indeed a solid world-wide belief system that had been in existence for nearly a decade which had an incredible potential for harming our society. I resolved to fight this in my spare time - a commodity I have in surplus right now, unfortunately.

What main points would you like to make about this matter?

Chemtrails don't exist. Persistent contrails do. They are natural - man-made, but natural, like your breath. They are harmless ice. They may make skies turn from blue to white, which is depressing, but that depression is the only harm they create.

The people that promote this idea may be divided into three camps. i) They aren't scientific, and believe it because they've never met a solid rebuttal of the idea - ii) They aren't scientific, have formed their belief system, but their paranoia prevents them from accepting scientific facts, and - iii) They aren't scientific, they're paranoid, they're determined to fight "for truth", they 'know' that debunkers are paid by shadowy paymasters, and ANYTHING GOES in the battle to succeed, because the 'dirty tricks' of the opposition are 'without number'.

The "Chemtrails" theory isn't harmless. It totally distracts attention from the real causes of problems and is socially-divisive. It is a TRUE fifth-column and, if left unchecked, will lead to total dissolution and anarchy. Creationism, pseudoscience, and anti-science propaganda also. Our society must become better educated than it is at present.

Please say a bit about your music and artwork.

My intention with either is to produce a state of ecstasy. I fail frequently, if not all the time. But it is in the nature of art to be in that restless state, and in the nature of artists to have the capacity to endure that sense of failure. I continue to really like some of my work and am beginning to really hate some of the rest. I like and admire a very small proportion of other people's work.

Anything else you would like to add?

Rely on no-one else to support you, educate yourself and become self-sufficient. Once you do this you are in a position to help anyone. That is my experience.

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© 2009 Steve Andrews

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CVFA 7 years ago

It is absolutely wonderful to read about you here - thank you so much for sharing your talent and your thoughts with us here - I think that you and my Chris would get on like a house on fire ! The Green Bearded man tells many stories - ones of which need to be told provoking food for thought. We are glad he is here doing what he does too ! Cheers, Mary Alice


JazzRoc 7 years ago

You're very welcome, CVFA.

The Bard is an earnest and noble lover of nature and people. He lives a tough and demanding and poorly-rewarded life, and deserves better than he has received so far, in my opinion. In spite of his low financial state he still gets to achieve surprising results, both in his socializing, journalism and his songwriting. Although we live on the same island, we are at opposite ends of it, and see each other very infrequently indeed.

In fact, it's been about two years now, and we'd better get on with it, eh, Bard?


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Tony, it will have to wait a while longer - I am about to endure some horrific dental treatment in a week's time and am on a horrible antibiotic - Rhodogil/Rodogyl - as of today. Alan and Anna are giving me a lift back after the extraction next Thursday, which is a big help!

Mary Alice and Tony, I am glad you have met up here!


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anjalichugh 7 years ago from New York

Very inspiring! I admire people who have admiration for 'Art' but what was that about not approving non-scientific ways ...

'Science, the scientific method, literature, art and music are the only bases for Man's existence. All the rest is mere gossip.'

With due respect there is a lot more than what a human eye can perceive. Just trying to be perceptive here. :)


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for posting, Anjalichugh!


JazzRoc 7 years ago

anjalichugh: "With due respect there is a lot more than what a human eye can perceive. Just trying to be perceptive here. :)"

Well, you're trying...

And how do you use your perception?

Do you imagine things? Do you imagine things which have never been imagined? Do you REALLY imagine things which have never been imagined?

The world has been here, and full of life, for 3.6 billion years.

Do you think that fish don't imagine? How about cats? Dogs? Whales? People 100,000 years ago?

There is ALWAYS more than YOUR human eye can perceive.

There is ALWAYS more than MY human eye can perceive.

There is ALWAYS more...

And Science provides us with more than a human eye can perceive. That is the nature of science.

Humanity has within its power to perceive more than any single individual can perceive.

And that goes for YOUR individual imagination as well.

When I wrote what I wrote, I meant what I meant. And I mean it now.

Science, the scientific method, literature, art and music are the only bases for Man's existence. All the rest is mere gossip.


nuknuk 6 years ago

"Science, the scientific method, literature, art and music are the only bases for Man's existence. All the rest is mere gossip."

going to have to disagree with that,I'm afraid.

cheers for the music senor duncan.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I would disagree with it too! What about spirituality? Thanks for posting, nuknuk!


JazzRoc 5 years ago

I AM spiritual, O Bard!

The material world fashioned our "spirit", and for me it's a spiritual act to KNOW "we are stardust" and FEEL humanity to be an expression of emergence FROM "stardust".

Quoting Sagan: "We are the Univers's way of knowing itself". Wow.


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Bard of Ely 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I agree with the Sagan quote!


lynne morgan 5 years ago

Aleluya. Bag him and tag him Steve. This man is my kinda man. belief in Chemtrails and conspiracy theories do make me feel ashamed of being a hippy. Let's get our facts right and we may get somewhere.


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Bard of Ely 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I agree, Lynne! We do need to get the facts not theories and fantasies and arguments about them!


Tom 4 years ago

Hi!

And thank you for debunking chemtrails/contrails.

Would you be so keen to take on HAARP as well?Another urban myth...

I tried reason with people on both,but got shut down with the usual "arsenal" mentioned above.Its almost as if a cult/religion they adopted,and dare you question their conviction,even though how irrational they may be.Thanks to both of you for clearing up the trail enigma.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, Tom! I will let JazzRoc know what you have said! Yes, the HAARP insanity is another lot of nonsense that is being pushed. Normal cirrocumulus cloud gets called "boiled sky" and said to be caused by HAARP!


JazzRoc 4 years ago

Go to the library and look up any book on Earth's atmosphere - the oldest you can find which classifies clouds into types.

You'll discover that it covers ALL types of clouds INCLUDING the "boiled skies" apparently attributable to HAARP according to these simple people.

The book may well have been published fifty years ago.

Clouds have been classified since the times of the ancient Greeks, and these "special cloud" HAARP arguments rely on the general ignorance people have of the sky above them. They are proposed by ignorant people FOR ignorant people. Don't be one of them, or tolerate such behavior in others, or our world will further degrade itself.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for that, JazzRoc!


John 17 months ago

Adherents of the chemtrail conspiracy should be thumped in the head with something similar to a Shipiro/Moran text on Fluid Mechanics (& few thumps with a Thermodynamics text for good measure) again and again until large knots grow on their skulls, containing that shriveled brain. When they wake in the morning they should be forced to recite "I have these knots on my skull because I'm an unwashed, unread dumbazz".


Kyle 17 months ago

Not so sure, John. Your quick resort to clockwork orangesque ultraviolence (replace the tome with a porcelain phallus and the picture begins to form), isn't necessarily effacacious; though temporarily relieving for you, as it may well be lol

Jazzroc was very patient and helpful when I encountered him online years ago whilst I sought to find discrepancies and flaws to his arguments and doggedly remained obtuse. As a direct result of this interaction, I carried on in getting further and more competently informed about the atmosphere and jet aircraft and

subsequently broke rapidly free of the chemtrail cultists.

Hope all's well, Tony. Thanks again.

oh...if you ever fancy a spot of chess. You can find me here under the username "living in a cave" www.redhotpawn.com Cheers


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Bard of Ely 17 months ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Glad to hear that Jazzroc was "patient and helpful." And that you are no longer part of the chemtrailers!

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