Let's Take a Poll (Rules of Engagement) Update on polling for 2016 presidential elections

Polls: we can't live without them

Let's take a poll

(Rules of Engagement). Are we all stupid or what?

Updated for polling being done for 2016 presidential election candidates.

It has become an (abstract) art form for pollsters to take ''meaningful'' polls.

With that being said it is questionable just how "meaningful" they really are when they are used inappropriately by social media and political parties to strengthen, or weaken, any politician's position when running for office (campaigning).

What do poll results really mean?:

If you want a right wing slanted poll, you simply ask the right wing faction.

If you want a liberal view, you simply poll the liberal faction.

If you want the Christian view, you simply ask the Christians.

So, just who do they think they are kidding with all those poll numbers?

..... and the world goes on; with or without you - depending on what percentage of the poll one finds themselves owning.

Every news station, every political party, faction or sect, every religious group, or any other damned group out there, who wants to push their agenda - cite a poll's results as proof of their claims - no matter how dumb it may be.

Here's the problem with that old outdated, dried up, stale and stupid basis for proving a point:

As with everything else in this world it has now become corrupted by those who will deceive you any way they can. [notice i did not say 'attempt' to deceive 'cause it actually still works].

The Rules -

if it can be said there are in fact any rules at all

Let's take a look at the 'rules' for taking a poll.

Well, bless my little heart, and even smaller little brain.

There ARE no rules !!

Polls (by definition): the casting, or recording, of votes of a body of persons .

There is NO required minimum number of "persons" that will be questioned.

The only "must have" factor is an odd number of "persons" to be polled. Otherwise, there might be a half and half voting result.

'Even' numbered poll groups would never do. [note here that i did not say there might be a 50/50 voting result, as this would imply that there were 100 people polled].

So, do 3 'persons' qualify as a legitimate poll?

I would venture a guess this would be the minimum number required in order to obtain a proper 'percentage' to cite as the results. 2 out of 3 would constitute a 'two thirds' of the people polled result.

Reporting those results from the 3 person poll sounds impressive to me.

"Random" polling

Now, the next factor in "polling" would be how to pick people at "random" to poll.

Let's say we wanted to know how many people would vote for Sarah Palin in the 2012 presidential elections?. We will pick three panels to poll. (These are strictly hypothetical of course)

  • If you poll the democratic party members - probably very few would say yes. Probably 5% or less.
  • If you poll the republican party members - probably 50% would say yes.
  • If you poll the tea party members - probably 97% would say yes.

Now these "poll" results will be aired as "factual" depending on who is conducting the poll and how many people are actually "polled".

Are ''Polls'' really valid sources of information?

taking written surveys
taking written surveys | Source
polling by mail
polling by mail
Polling via internet email
Polling via internet email
asking only members of the hive to get the results desired
asking only members of the hive to get the results desired | Source

As a "tool", these are the "tools"

We, as reasonably intelligent, realistic and logical people, all know that polls are just one 'tool' to either persuade, or dissuade, others from either backing, or rebuffing, the subject of the poll. (tool #1)

So, which of the three panels do you believe would have the most accurate results? This is just a rhetorical question, as we all know the correct answer.

Or do we?

Every person out there in that vast "T.V. land" audience (our living rooms) will believe which ever group results that they are most closely affiliated with.

And my point here?

If anyone believes any poll results - irregardless which group asks the question - they are an idiot of the highest order; or at least more stupid than i am, and far less intelligent than an "idiot savant".

Airing poll results on news shows will definitely have some residual effects on those given the results of the poll - no matter which panel is 'polled'. The persons who might be most affected by those (or any) poll results are those who can not make up their own minds about anything in their lives.

Namely the "independents". [ oops, did i say that out loud? ] (tool #2)

They hide behind a mask made only for them. They will be swayed by which ever side of the bed they got out of on any particular morning. Instead of taking a stand (politically speaking of course) for a government, for and by the people; or a government, for and by corporate America, they straddle the fence and vote for which ever candidate can tell the biggest whopper, spread the most 'dirt' about their opponents, and what they stand to gain from which ever candidate can promise the most favors.

Strictly cowards and opportunists - much like that guy who took Larry King's place after his long overdue retirement from CNN. This virtual unknown who learned rapidly, who to, and not to, suck up to. [which was relatively easier for him, being British, and all]

He certainly is closely equivalent to his predecessor in obnoxiousness or obnubilation (if there is such a word - and if not, well there should be).

Oh, look it up, of course there is such a word.

Oh, what the hell lets just take a 'poll' on that.

Not that it really matters, this world will go on with or without either of them - or any of us, for that matter. Has anyone reading this crap ever been polled? No one has ever asked me for my opinion - but i give it anyway. LOL

by: d.william

Is OBNUBILATION a real word?

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Obnubilation defined: becloud, obscure

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Terry.Hirneisen 5 years ago from Shenandoah Valley

Voted up and funny. I fall in the idiot class as I believe polls can collectively paint a picture.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for your comments. Polls can only paint a picture if they are done correctly. Even the picture that you 'think' you see from those polls is slanted in the direction that the pollsters want them to be. You are way to naive if you think that any polling is done legitimately.


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cheaptrick 5 years ago from the bridge of sighs

Well done D!Some Polls are taken by"Poll Cats"and stink to high heaven.Voted up as usual.

Dean


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

http://hubpages.com/profile/cheaptrick. Thanks for commenting. you remarks are comical, but true.

"Poll Cats" good one. Wish i had thought of that one. LOL


AntonOfTheNorth 5 years ago

"Studies have shown that people are 3 times more likely to believe any fact preceded by the phrase "studies have shown" "

Statistics are how you measure trends, not facts.

the statistic that says 98% will survive this disease is meaningless to the 2% who die from it.

Polls are of most benefit to oddsmakers betting on the election.

good read. Thanks


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

d,

I voted yes because I believe it's closer to yes than no. I study polls all the time because of my organization. Polls are tricky in that the numbers can vary depending on how you phrase a question. Let me give you an example; I can take a poll asking the question, "Do you trust politicians?" Ninety percent of those polled say "No." Ask the question, "Do you trust women politicians?" and the number in the yes colume grows to fifty two percent for instance. Now someone can use either result depending on their agenda.

Like I said, polls are tricky. If you're trying to get a handle on the pulse of something, you don't read a poll, rather study many polls. If you're using a poll for the sake of a debate, all bets are off. (laughing)

I DO agree that a poll is no substitute for good research and common sense. Thanks for a good hub that gets people thinking my man!

jim


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for the read and your enlightening comments. You are, of course, correct in your analysis of polls. I listen to Fox network news and CNN both. When i hear either of them using their "polls" to prove a point, i cringe. If you can trust that the people being polled are a diverse group then there may be some merit to their outcomes. Frankly i do not. There will always be someone ready to sell you a false bill of goods, or that proverbial pig in a poke.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for reading and your comments. The diversity of the group of people being polled is as important as the way you phrase the question. The outcome is so easily manipulated that i do not believe they are really worth the effort and prove very little. No-one ever asks me my opinion on these supposed 'polls', but hell, i am not shy and will give my opinions anyway, like it or not. LOL.


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drbillfannin 5 years ago from Atlanta

Another winner. You should have waited till tomorrow to publish this one. It could be in the contest.


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somelikeitscott 5 years ago from Las Vegas

Okay so another great one from the "Great One" - voted across the boards on this one! Thanks for another read that makes me think AND laugh!


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks Scott. Nice compliment coming from you. Appreciated. You think this one is funny, wait til you read today's. It should really get me some hate mail.


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for the encouragement. I am not interested in entering any contest. There is no way any of my controversial hubs will meet their criteria for greatness.


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Spirit Whisperer 5 years ago from Isle of Man

Polls like statistics are tools used by politicians to paint a picture of a truth they want you to believe. I think you clearly got your message across and it gets voted up by me.


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always exploring 5 years ago from Southern Illinois

I agree. I don't believe any poll is accurate, i also don't believe all Americans are dumb. Thank's


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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We are dumb enough to allow what is happening all around us in this country to continue to flourish. You have a way more rosy outlook on life than i do. LOL.


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

I don't trust polls because no one has ever asked me hat I think! Up and awesome..


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for your comment. I guess this is why I don't trust them either. LOL


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somethgblue 4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

I reserve the right to call other people stupid only because I have never experienced it myself but maybe if I watch enough TV and let others do my thinking for me one day I might achieve stupidity.


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Stupidity is always an honorable goal to strive for it seems, as many have attained their goal without much effort. Plus it is free.


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somethgblue 4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

And you can't argue with stupidity as it will drag you down to its level and beat you with experience.

However you can teach stupidity and you can do it at the college level as I just recently graduated and can tell you that the education I received thirty years ago in High School was ten times better than the education I just paid for.

I have eaten things smarter than most of America!


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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It does seem that the education level has declined in this country. And i am sure it is strictly by design. As we all know knowledge is the enemy of conservatives. This "dumbing down" process has been effective as we can surely see by what is going on all around us in this world. Ignorance and religion are the best teachers of dumb.

When you have a presidential hopeful making statements, such as Santorum did about Pres. Obama using college education to "indoctrinate" young adults into "liberalism", and the likes of Rick Scott (et al) who are defunding public schools to promote private and religious schools we know we are in some deep shit.

And the states that are mandating that schools teach creationism and specifically target science as an unreliable source of fact, and global warming, and blacks being better off when they were slaves. ? This stuff is real - not science fiction and our education system is under attack by these idiots.

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