Let The Experts Decide

See Joey Has One Too!

You're Looking In The Wrong Direction

I am not an image expert nor do I purport to be.  I was working 11 hours yesterday so I missed the latest Oblabber press conference concerning the release so his purported long form birth certifcate, though I did catch a brief snippet while I was in AT&T haivng to buy a new cell as my old own bit the dust.  Pesky little devices.

So when I finally got home I had a bit of reading to do and had to catch up on my Hubs.  On one of them someone asked, "Where's The Frog?  Where is he on this?"  That was on my "Trump This" Hub where the release was also being discussed.  I want you to watch a video presented by an imaging expert that I just obtained.  It's his analysis of the document that was released to the AP and on Obama's website.  Then lets continue.

Judge For Yourself

Several questions arise in my mind. The first being why did it take so long to produce what most people can easily produce concerning their birth? He claimed that it was becoming too much of a distraction in these trying times he helped create and exacerbate. I claim that it was getting too hot in the kitchen and he had to produce something. The truth was about to surface. I thank Donald Trump for that. He did what scores of people failed to do.

The second question was that it had better be authentic. Not being an imaging expert, I will leave that to the experts in that field. The advent of computers made things that were previously thought to be impossible quite possible. The video is testament to that as the video shows you, in detail, at how the man arrived at his analysis and conclusion.

Then there is now pretty definitive proof that what Obama posted on fightthesmears.com is what it is - a photo shopped copy of a Certificate of Live birth. If what he is purporting to be authentic, why not just have posted that document back when? Doesn't that make you curious at all? Couple that with this video and draw some dots.

The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people who have something to hide.

There is also now "definitive proof" that Obama held dual citizenship status. He helped define, and supposedly added clarity to, the definition of who is a natural born citizen and who is not. Of course, he admitted previously that he held British citizenship. Connecting the dots in all of this gets a little complex.

The Donald has got him to do step one, Whether it is authentic, or not, isn't my call. Lets the experts do that. But Trump has now gone further and I knew he would. Why? Because he is following the same trail that I have followed for years. He knows, and I know, that people are really looking at a smoke screen. The smoke screen is the birth certificate. He has now called for Obama to release his academic records. That's where the real information that Obama is hiding is contained.

It goes like this. Back when Obama attended Occidental, Columbia and Harvard, he accepted US aid to foreign students by claiming to be a foreigner. I believe that now even more than I did before. If he did so, was it just a coincidence that he wanted to be selective about his citizenship then and not now? The records need to be released so that we can now see if Obama used a ploy to defraud the United States of America's tax payers. That would be you and me for those of us who pay taxes. Since when was the matter of being a citizen of the United States a matter of convenience?

The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.

Something to think about as we move forward to the unveiling of the truth.

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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nicomp 5 years ago from Ohio, USA

It would be great to see his transcripts. Bush, Kerry, and many other presidential candidates released their college records during the campaign process.

Perhaps some other faux presidential candidate can grab hold of this crusade and make it happen. Who else wants to be president?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

nicomp - I'd bet dollars to donuts that his college records are hiding what Obama wants to be hidden.


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

Great job, Frog. I agree let the experts decide and I hope what they decide gets good coverage. The video is fascinating and very compelling. Voted up and useful and awesome.


Pino Krisio 5 years ago

Frog Prince: Obama certainly has a lot to hide, and Donald Trump will be the one who forces Obama's hand.

Obama would not listen to millions of Americans, but when Donald Trump started questionning, he reacted. HMMMMMMMM.


partisan patriot 5 years ago

Froggy

Question; doesn't the Constitution state in order for a person to be eligible to run for the Presidency he must be a Natural Born Citizen and doesn’t that mean not one but both of his parents must be citizens; well his father was a citizen of Kenya so that should still disqualify him.

Inquiring minds want to know!


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

I told ya!!!! That thing is a FAKE! It was assembled in Photoshop or PaintShopPro or something similar (a raster graphic editor). I blew it up in Photoshop just like the guy in the first clip. The problems we found were different, but the conclusion is the same.

I agree on the college records. I don't know whether he was scamming for US aid or not, but as mentioned earlier, he did reportedly study in Pakistan when the State Deptartment had the country on its "no entry" list. So the question comes up: from what country did he depart? Could that be the country he is REALLY a natural born citizen of? I think it's things like this that's making Obama hide his scholastic records. Any fraud issues would be beyond the statute of limitations. And nobody in his voting base cares about all his illegal bills and EO's, so why would they care about a little scholastic aid fraud from 30 years ago? He could just say I was young and stupid, and I apologize.

Here is what I think the real deal is:

(1) No US certificate of live birth exists, or if one does, it would prove that he didn't meet the legal test of natural born citizenship that was operative on his birth date.

(2) His academic records would confirm things like the Pakistan story, and demonstrate that he is not a natural born US citizen.

I know I'm not clairvoyant, but I'd bet any amount you want that the Birther theory is absolutely true, and this thing is the biggest fraud perpetrated on America since its founding.

Sadly, with all the original birth and academic records still sealed, we still can't prove anything.

I'm really mad as hell. This man is wrecking the country, and I'm positive he's not eligible to president, but I still can't prove it. The fake BC idea was brilliant; if people fall for it, then he's over with the issue, and if they don't, there's still no way to prove he's lying about his eligibility to serve. All the ploy costs him, at worst, is getting caught forging a BC. And his liberal sheep, and some centrists, will forgive him. Think about it; news of the Mao orb hanging from the 2009 WH Christmas tree was all over the internet, but only conservatives made a fuss about it. And Obama won't get any right wing votes in any event, so the act didn't hurt him.

Remember they called John Gotti the "Teflon Don?" I think we are dealing here with the "Teflon POTUS."

Stu


tugbo200-5 5 years ago

Frog

I was the one asking where you were at

I should have known that you already had

the news of the BC release and was working

on a follow up.Do not fault me on that,your

opinions to me as well as your hubs on this

subject are greatly appreciated.

As is this one.....Remember Dragnet ?

"Just the facts Ma'am,just the facts"

all buttons

Tug


rip van winkle 5 years ago

frog, you never cease to amaze me but i think he will fight to the death to hide the transcripts


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rkhyclak 5 years ago from Ohio

I definitely think there's still something being hidden. And I'm with you...let the experts decide. He's worked so hard at hiding, why come clean now? Certainly interesting. Up across the board.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

The image of the certificate is obviously 'framed' by an overlay of the same type of paper as the certificate itself, presumably to protect other certificates on the same page of that book, although I can't see why that couldn't have simply been edited out. In addition, it is dated April 25, 2011.

What I find odd is the lack of weight, length, and religion, since all were very common for the time. I'm also surprised that the father's race is listed as "African', which is not a race at all. In those days, the term commonly used was 'negro'.

But all that is just odd. I have always assumed that Obama is a US citizen if for no more reason than that his mother was a US citizen.


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

partisan patriot,

No, the legal definition of "natural born citizen" has nothing to do with parents. That's a scam. Everyone knows where I'm at with Obama, but I want to expose this clown for what he is with facts.

The last video that the Frog put up here today is compelling. I'd like to hear what a second expert's opinion is stacked against this before I get excited though. My strength is in law and of course deciphering words and meaning, but I'm a complete idiot when it comes to forgery.

I'll go on record as saying that I'll settle for getting him out in November. If we DO find that he's unqualified, it will be the largest legal nightmare in recorded history. This clown has signed over 5,000 documents which would all be nill and void if he were to be found constitutionally ineligible. Now I know there are about ten major documents that us conservatives would be happy to see crap caned, but that leaves 4,990 p.o.s. documents that woud take years, million, and millions, of dollars, and more important, a nation's complete attention, at a time when a new Republican President can be getting this nation back on track. I'll be doing a hub on this called Be Careful What You Wish For in the next two days. I'm not saying I'm right, but there ARE things to consider.

jim


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dahoglund 5 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

I didn't realize that dual citizenship was legal. Then it appears that all sorts of people claim it. I guess I am just out of date.


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cjv123 5 years ago from Michigan

Great, great video. Because I've used Photo Shop for years (I haven't in the last few years because I didn't want to pay the steep price to upgrade a version for my Mac) I can actually understand much of what the presenter is showing us. I knew that this document had to be faked. Why else would Obama spend millions of his own money to block any attempt to make his birth certificate public and now he'll probably do the same with his college transcripts. I have said for a LONG time now - I believe Obama applied and received federal aid to go to college. His mother wasn't rich and his supposed father had little to nothing to do with him - so there is no way he had the money to go to a college he ultimately dropped out of.

I am positive it is exactly as you say, and I believe I wrote this suspicion I've had about his college federal aid funds in one of my Hubs.

Excellent, excellent Hub. Well worth the wait! Your adoring public received much to think about here!


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cjv123 5 years ago from Michigan

dahoglund, I just found that out recently myself about dual citizenship. I actually am eligible because my biological grandmother was an Italian immigrant who became an American citizen officially and if she did not officially denounce her citizenship, I could apply for dual citizenship for Italy. I still think I might - because I love Italy so much and I could live there. But anyway - it's possible in some cases to have dual citizenship.


TimBryce 5 years ago

Here's another video for you explaining the "layers" problem of the alleged birth certificate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...


tugbo200-5 5 years ago

TimBryce

That video was an eyeopener

This is turning into a Dog and Pony show.


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drbj 5 years ago from south Florida

The whole BC uproar was just a smokescreen. The real answer, I'm convinced, lies in his unobtainable until now college records. Why can no one find them?


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

You can actually have three citizenships here in America. I wrote about this in my hub on "Trump This Trumped" There's a cheap plug if I ever saw one. (laughing)

jim


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GusTheRedneck 5 years ago from USA

Howdy Gang -

Unfortunately the only likely way that Obama is going to be caused to relinquish the presidency is to be voted out in 2012. At this late date, that may be the best way, anyway, for if he is tossed before then there will be blood on the streets. That would turn a non-racist desire to get rid of a really sorry potus into a racial deal of hard-to-believe proportions and of really long-lasting duration.

As to the video presentation of that image of a document, the analyst said many convincing things. I did not see, however, any of his comments going to the exact meetings and matchings of the bar patterns on the outside of the "document" and those on its inside. They met and matched, and that was unexpected to me, anyway. (I know nothing at all about forgery things using computers, so I am not posing as any sort of "expert.") Another amusing thing about the image was the spelling of "THE" in the final rubber stamp underneath and the document image and certifying to it. That "THE" was spelled as "TXE" - and what government office would keep a rubber stamp like that around?

This whole deal is going to be argued over forever. Let's quit wasting time and sweat over documents like this one and just clean out the White House by voting for the 2012 "good-bye."

Gus :-)))


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I agree with Gus. I am not a conspiracy buff, because I know that two people can keep a secret, but only if one of them is dead!

If Obama was not a US citizen, someone would have spilled the conspiracy beans by now.

That's also why the 9-11 conspiracy theory is perposterous...too many people would have to keep it secret!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

I've been working for the past 11 hours so I need to catch up. I'll do that in reverse order.

Will - I'm not a conspiracy theorist either. What I expect from a POTUS is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. We don't get that from Obama. He's a citizen. I have never contended he isn't. But he is hiding his past. Try to find out much about it. You won't.

Gus - 2012 is coming for sure. But see my reply to Will above.

jim - Cheap shots are all good my friend. The more we know the better we become.

drbj - BINGO!

Tim - The experts will have to determine the authenticity of what was produced. In the meantime, Obama zombies will scream - LIES -LIES - LIES, like they have since he has campaigned and links were provided to substantiate the truth. The koolaid is very powerful for some.

Carol - Adoring public? Give that a rest woman. I'm just a concerned American veteran who is seeing this country shredded and pulled apart by Progressive idiots.

togbo - I know who asked the question. LOL. How can anyone who experienced Dragnet forget that line!

Stu - Stay tuned. Trump is pretty effective to say the least.


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Frog,

No cheap shots intended. Sorry you feel that way my man!

jim


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

jim - You took what I said wrong. It's all good.


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Oh, okay cool. I do what I do, and what I do don't do it for everyone. That's why I do it. Glad it's all cool with you dude!

jim


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KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 5 years ago from APPOMATTOX V.A.

Ok Frog I am gonna have to disagre with you on this one. This man is the President of the United States and he has immense power, do you realy think that he would have someone Photoshop a fake copy of his birth certificate? He has all kind of agencies at his disposal who do these kinds of things with their eyes closed, this whole argument dosnt make any sense. Why is it tht no one asked to se Bush's birth certificate or any other Presidents birth certificate. We have more important things to focus on people this is such a non issue and I am very disappointed in Trump for leaading the pack on such an issue.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Do I believe? I believe that Obama is capable of anything.

If he wasn't then I quote, "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." His words, not mine.


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The Frog Princess 5 years ago from Florence area of the Great Pee Dee of South Carolina

It time to get on the cherry picker out; pick the cherries off the tree; spit the pits out of DC..:)


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Frog et al,

I believe the birth cert is not a fake, so is the Loch Ness Monster, The moon is really made of green cheese, The Office is a continueing documentaey about a real paper company in PA, There are 57 states in the US, Ru Paul is really a girl, and Godzilla is a real lizard that was created as a result of the fall out from the US A-bomb drops. obama

The US is finally getting it 40% of the us approve of Lil Barry... there is hope- for us.

TH


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tom - I bet you believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy too! LMAO


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Ms Dee 5 years ago from Texas, USA

I read on the internet there are facts pointing to Saudi Arabia paying for his college education - Harvard. What do you know as to the truth of that?


Ghost32 5 years ago

Man, this makes me tired. But that's sort of the point of it all, wear out the opposition, blow enough smoke, keep on truckin', destroy the--

Okay. Recharging now.

Up and not one bit funny.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Dee - If he'd release his college records we could see who paid for what and when. You know where I stand on that issue. That's where what Obama is hiding can be found.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Tim - great link!!! Thanks, Stu


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Dilnashi 5 years ago from England

Hmm nicely written. Thanks for sharing...

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gitrdun4444 5 years ago from North Carolina

Another great hub Frog! Keep up the great work :)


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas

Frog, I think you are right on...conspiracy takes place amid chaos. In this instance, chaos had to be created and what better way than to cause a stir about the birth certificate and let the people fight about it while you remained silent. Then, the real smoking guns can stay hidden away. For the average joe, these academic records would amount to the antics of a dumb-ass. But when a man passes himself off as presidential material, the lies told in those records to manipulate taxpayer money into his pocket start to look like a pattern which the people would rather not see in a President. Watergate was a botched two-bit burglary attempt on the surface but it had the rammifications to bring down a President when the veil was pulled back. These are valid questions to which the voters and taxpayers of America deserve a legitimate answer. If that answer is not anymore forthcoming than the birth certificate, then we have the polls to voice our disgust and our distrust. Thanks. WB


Stu From VT 5 years ago

KNOWLEDGESEEKER79,

"If his birth certificate was fake then its no way that he would have been elected President." - The point here is that his birth certificate was never asked for or examined before the election. The fact that he spent $2 million of his own money to hide his pre-Chicago day records (birth and academic) is what made people begin to doubt that he is a natural born US citizen. Initial forensic analyses of the long form BC he put up at the White House web site indicate that it's a fake. There are still serious doubts regarding his legal eligibility to serve as US president.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

KnowledgeSeeker - No one cares about your opinion of Bush on this particular Hub since the subject is Obama. Try to stay on topic next time.


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William R. Wilson 5 years ago from Knoxville, TN

I like how all the people who are commenting in favor of this nonsense are white.

Something for your reading pleasure:

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-s...


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KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 5 years ago from APPOMATTOX V.A.

You know what Stu, if its not his birth certificate then its the fact that he has muslim heritage, if its not that then its the fact that he lived in other countries.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

William,

Everyone knows that scientific inquiry is sometimes subject to "result bias," but look at the facts:

(1) Obama has spent almost $2 million of his own money fending off legal battles to release common records like his BC and academic history. Why?

(2) Within a day or two of Obama releasing his long form, which he only did under extreme pressure generated by Donald Trump, multiple forensic experts have concluded it's a fake.

(3) I have personally downloaded the long form from the WH web site, examined the document under high zoom in Photoshop, and verified that the border of the document has a different background than the interior (i.e., the document is not a scan of an original, but was created in Photoshop).

(4) Evidence just came out that two children born at the same hospital just AFTER Obama's BC says he was born have a LOWER serial number than he has. This is not possible.

This has nothing to do with race. This has to do with LYING.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

KNOWLEDGESEEKER79,

(1) Obama has spent almost $2 million of his own money fending off legal battles to release common records like his BC and academic history. Why?

(2) Within a day or two of Obama releasing his long form, which he only did under extreme pressure generated by Donald Trump, multiple forensic experts have concluded it's a fake.

(3) I have personally downloaded the long form from the WH web site, examined the document under high zoom in Photoshop, and verified that the border of the document has a different background than the interior (i.e., the document is not a scan of an original, but was created in Photoshop).

(4) Evidence just came out that two children born at the same hospital just AFTER Obama's BC says he was born have a LOWER serial number than he has. This is not possible.

This has nothing to do with race. This has to do with LYING.

Stu


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William R. Wilson 5 years ago from Knoxville, TN

A newspaper announcement that notes Obama's birth

A handwritten memo in Obama's father's immigration file that notes the birth

http://www2.az-independent.com/2011/04/27/independ...

the birth certificates that have been released by the president. You ask why didn't Obama release his files sooner? He did - he provided the short form early on in his campaign.

Hawaiian state officials who have verified the authenticity of the birth certificate

Multiple experts who have examined the scanned image available online as well as the actual document:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertific...

It makes no sense that Obama would have been born in Kenya:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/why_obama_w...

Now maybe the Hawaiian officials, Snopes, The American Thinker, and Factcheck.org, and Fox News, are all in on the conspiracy. But I kind of doubt it.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

William,

Regarding the article at az-independent.com, the issue isn't simply about whether or not Obama was born in the US, but whether or not he meets the legal definition of "natural born" (as opposed to naturalized) based on the law in effect on the date of his birth. If he is not "natural born" based on the operant law, then he is ineligible to be POTUS.

The short form is worthless. You can go to any Hawaii hospital, tell them the data, pay a fee, and they'll type it up and certify it. These are not archival documents.

I'm not aware of any state official who has verified the authenticity of the recently released long form, other than the registrar who signed and stamped it. That is hardly "verification" in the forensic sense.

FactCheck.org is an Annenberg rag, hardly an unbiased source. And even they admit that the raised seal only appears on the short form, not the long form. Further, they state "We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response." No response is a real danger signal.

The FOX article seems credible. I opened the PDF of the long form in PDF and found only a single layer. Thus, the layers may in fact simply be an artificat of how Adobe Illustrator works.

The Snopes article provides no information whatsoever on the authenticity of the long form.

The American Thinker article resolves nothing. Obama may in fact have been born in the USA. I have no specific reason to doubt it. The thing you need to keep in mind is that special rules apply to "natural born" status when only one birth parent is American, and they have varied over time with the operant law depending on the child's date of birth. Obama's long form available for download at whitehouse.gov is either a fake or real (I personally think it's a fake). If it is a fake, then we still have no long form. If it's real, then Obama may have a major problem. Reportedly, the "natural born" test in effect on Obama's stated birth date required among other things that the American parent had to reside continuously in the US for five years starting on or after age 16, and continue uninterrupted until childbirth. The long form BC says Ann Dunham was 18 when Obama was born; she would have to have been 21 or older to meet the test. If the reported law in effect at the the time is accurate, and Obama's long form is real, then Obama is a naturalized US citizen, not a natural born US citizen, making him ineligible to be POTUS.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

William - I'm not sure where you are getting your "facts" but wherever it is you need recheck them. The present Governor of Hawaii has publicly stated that there didn't appear to be a long form BC on file in Hawaii. Abercrombie is about as liberal as they come, maybe even more than you seem to be.

Your use of Snopes as reliable is laughable. Snopes is a Mom and Pop operation out of California.

I have posted about 4 different image expert videos on the authenticity of what was released and have viewed many more. What they all say, and vividly illustrate, is that the document was a manufactured document and a poor one at that.

It's okay. You played the race card in your first post so I knew you wouldn't have a leg to stand on in this whole conversation. Have a nice day and lay off the koolaid.


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William R. Wilson 5 years ago from Knoxville, TN

Gov. Abercrombie did not say there was no birth certificate:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-01-27/news/27...

Apparently there was some trouble finding it, but he never said it was not on file.

I'll quote the Governor, from this link:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/27/news/la-pn...

""It is an insult to the president, his parents and to the Office to suggest that he was not born in Hawaii," he said. "The state of Hawaii has done everything within our legal ability to disabuse these conspiracy theorists."

The governor's office said that "longstanding" policy has been not to provide photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates but that an exception was made in response to Obama's request."

But it's ok. Just keep blowing hot air. It keeps the boobs out of real politics.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

William,

Look at the facts in sequence:

(1) A public firestorm brews over Obama's BC.

(2) Obama stalls for I can't remember how long.

(3) Obama releases a short form BC, which anyone can get by supplying the data themsself, and paying a fee.

(4) Obama stalls again for months.

(5) Obama releases a long form BC.

(6) The long form BC has a distinctly different perimeter background pattern than that for the interior (i.e., the part with the data was Photoshopped into the middle). I have checked this internet claim myself by downloading the long form and checking it in Photoshop at high zoom.

Were this Jim DeMint or Michele Bachmann, what would your opinion be?

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

William - I happen to actually know Neil Abercrombie. Translated that means he couldn't find it on file. You're a piece of work son.

If he had, he would have openly stated that, not used fancy language to say he didn't. He wanted to dispel that "disservice" to the President. Thats' why he went looking. Furthermore, if you keep reading, he went on further to say that suddenly he remembered Obama;s birth. Back then Neil stayed so stoned he could barely remember his own name. Watch the videos where over and over image experts show you exactly how to dissect the document and how to unlayer it.

One out of how many going on Fox News, which I happen to watch William, saying all those other experts are doing something wrong doesn't make what he is doing correct. Maybe he is using a flawed procedure. That's not how it works son.

I can tell you're naive and young enough to think you understand what you call "real" politics. That's very laughable.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

FP - As mentioned to William, I have downloaded the long form from the WH web site. I am a ten year expert in Photoshop, and use it in my work. I have found anomalies in the document that absolutely prove its a fake. Some were pointed out in the videos you provided, and some I've found on my own. The MSM might be downplaying this out of fear of losing broadcast licenses, but this isn't going to go away. Internet reports will continue to come out, and conservative challengers in 2012 will hire forensics experts to examine the document. I just wish proving the document is fake was enough to knock Obie out. The problem is that a fake document leaves us where we were before - we can't prove or disprove natural born status.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - I'm not going to waste too much time posting all the links available so far that illustrate what image experts have performed, how they performed their analysis and the results. Dealing with zombies isn't my forte, nor will I go back and copy and paste all the links that are on these Hubs dealing with the subject.

Jim Jones had his followers too and we see where that went. The unblind leading the blind is usually cause to take pause.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

FP - What scares me here is that no matter how good the analyses are, alot of people won't believe them because of bias.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - In the eyes of an Obama Zombie, he can do no wrong. Neither you, nor I, will ever change that.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

I know, but it's so much fun trying. :)


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TheGroundsquirrel 5 years ago

I seem to recall mentioning a long time ago in a forum far far away that I suspected all of O-man's degrees and positions were merely honorary. This whole thing is the clearest example yet of what happens to those who would choose the path of token privilege. Once you arrive at the front of the herd, it's too late to realize there are only two fates. Get trampled, or get pushed over the cliff ... most people's common sense and self preservation, not to mention personal honor, keep them from this path. Then again, O-man ain't "most people" despite his protestations to the contrary. My uncle always said..."boy, you can't get away from the train by running down the tracks".


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Groundsquirrel. You can't avoid a train wreck either by hiring an engineer with no experience or qualifications to drive the damned thing. Good to see you old friend.


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Frog Prince

Whether the Obama birth certificate and dual citizenship are real issues should really be a function of the government to process any presidential or even congressional candidate. They should run the same or more intensive background checks on them as they would for processing Top Secret Clearances.

Of course they don't do that now as a matter of law, but they should do it.

I found it interesting that in the birth certificate that Obama's father put down "African" as his "Race".

The issue and debates on Obama's birth certificate was totally due to Obama's refusal to show and tell in 2008.

To end these kind of debates and more importantly to make sure that the candidates are who they say they are is to put all candidates into Top Secret Clearance type investigations.

Why should the vote be split for candidates that don't pass that muster. Sure it is expensive and time consuming, but once in office the wrong kind of person can cause a lot of damage.

my opinion.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

OD - "African" is not a race. And I agree. The Lame Stream Media, this last Preidential cycle, failed to do their traditional job of vetting candidates. They did a good job on Palin but gave Obama a free pass. My theory is that they didn't want the race card pulled out on them. Just a theory though.


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

Frog Prince

Selective vetting is just a form of politics. National Security should require the abscence of politics.

Congrats on passing 50 hubs.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

OD - Thanks and I intend to keep on writing. And yes, the NSA should run the highest clearance on all our federal politicians and appointees.


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vrajavala 5 years ago from Port St. Lucie

the problem now is who is going arrest him?


Stu From VT 5 years ago

FP - The NSA might start with all those Islamics with ties to radical groups that Obama hired for sensitive positions in the WH. I have a feeling the NSA is out of practice in this area due to "lack of demand" from the WH, and could use the practice on some easy cases to get their skills back without suffering cognitive overload.

vrajavala - Where do I sign up?


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William R. Wilson 5 years ago from Knoxville, TN

Regarding whether he is a natural born citizen: All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats) are citizens at birth under the Fourteenth Amendment:

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Obama's father was not a diplomat. Obama was born in Hawaii. Therefore Obama is a citizen of the US. More than 200 years of legal precedent establishes that jus soli, place of birth, is the determining factor whether or not a person is a citizen or not.

Blacks Law Dictionary (9th Edition) defines 'Natural Born Citizen' as "A person born within the jurisdiction of a national government".

In a 2008 article published by the Michigan Law Review Lawrence Solum, Professor of Law at the University of Illinois, stated that "[t]here is general agreement on the core of [the] meaning [of the Presidential Eligibility Clause]. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a 'natural born citizen'". In April 2010 Solum republished the same article as an online draft, in which he changed his opinion on the meaning of natural born citizen to include persons born in the United States of one American citizen parent. In a footnote he explained that "based on my reading of the historical sources, there is no credible case that a person born on American soil with one American parent was clearly not a 'natural born citizen.'"

Hawaiian officials who have stated that they have seen and verified the document: On July 28, 2009, Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a statement saying, "I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.


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William R. Wilson 5 years ago from Knoxville, TN

As for the document, I have examined it myself. The layers have nothing to do with its authenticity. It's simply how it was scanned. The so called irregularities, like the 1 in the upper right corner, can be seen throughout the document, in places where it would make no sense for a forged character to be place.

Even if it was faked, do you really think a "photoshop expert" from the internet could do a better job detecting a forgery than the CIA (or the illuminati, or the Banksters, or George Soros) could do at hiding it? If it was really a forgery, believe me they would have done a better job of it.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

William,

Regarding natural born status, the issue isn't simply where Obama was born, but the fact that only one parent was an American citizen. Depending on the laws in effect on his actual date of birth (claimed to be in 1961), he may be a naturalized US citizen, but not natural born.

I agree with your point regarding layers. When you import into Adobe Illustrator, it creates layers on its own. Photoshop doesn't show layers unless they are there to begin with in the original document. I have imported the document into Photoshop and only a single layer was present.

I have examined the document in detail, and am certain it is a fake. The background pattern in the interior differs significantly from that around the interior, when the document is viewed at high zoom. The "artist" created a Photoshop layer for the interior, Photoshopped in the data, superimposed the interior into the middle of a scan of the original blank, and then "flattened" the image to eliminate the layers.

I'm an expert at Photoshop with ten years experience, and use it regularly in my work as a web designer and programmer. I would be willing to swear under oath that its a forgery.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

William - Read my lips son. What he is hiding is in his academic records. The BC is a smoke screen. Now buzz off, recess is over. You aren't an image expert. Read the title of the Hub. Then go kneel at the altar and pray to your Messiah Obama. The rest of us are busy here.

To help you out go here and read what Obama himself co-authored in SR 511. His very own words that helped to add "clarity" to the definition of what he, himself, considered to be a natural born citizen in 2008. Watch the video and then slink away.

http://hubpages.com/politics/Trump-This


Stu From VT 5 years ago

FP,

I'm sure glad I'm on your side. I'd be awake worrying if I wasn't. Once again, you've hit the nail on the head. I don't want to sound superior, because I'm not, but I really am an expert in digital image analysis. I really can actually prove the document is a fake. I'm not saying that because I'm anti-Obama; my opinion would be invariant with respect to the individual. This thing is a fake based on objective, unemotional analysis. And you know I'm not emotional. As I said, and I'll say it again, if I was obligated to swear under oath in court, I would specify that I have ten years of experience in raster graphic work, and would testify under penalty of purjury that the document is a fake. Here it is on the internet in public for anyone to challenge. Let anyone try; I'll win, because I can prove it.

Stu


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TheGroundsquirrel 5 years ago

Personally, I don't think Trump had anything to do with it. I believe the White House janitor challenged O-man outside the Oval Office and now he's off the chain 'cause no peasant is gonna dis' him like dat'!


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OpinionDuck 5 years ago

August 21, 1959 Hawaii becomes a State.

If Barrack Obama was born in Hawaii after that date, he at worst case would be an Anchor Baby, regardless of his parents status. Unless they were diplomats.

Anchor babies are considered as Natural Born Citizens according to the 14th Amendment.

I don't personally agree with this interpretation of the 14th Amendment, as I believe it should be narrowly interpreted to apply to emanicpated slaves.

That was the main reason for the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments.

In any case, the authenticity of Barrack's Birth Certificate should be validated. It should have been done in 2008, and it should be done for all politicians.

No one will care now that Obama has taken down the OBL.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

OpinionDuck,

Your forgetting a key issue. Obama was born of one American parent. Thus, depending on the law in effect on the date of his birth, if he was in fact born in Hawaii in 1961, he may only be a naturalized US citizen, not a natural born US citizen. In such case, he is not eleigible to be POTUS.

Stu


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TheGroundsquirrel 5 years ago

With pseudocrats like these, does it really matter who is president anymore? Wowsers! My bad, I didn't mean to sound all cynical and stuff ... :P


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Groundsquirrel,

It's easy to be cynical these days; I know I am. There are alot of bums we need to replace.

Stu


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geegee77 5 years ago from The Lone Star State!!

What is hilarious to me is all of these idiot's avatars: ducks, frogs & squirrels haha lmao...Obama will win in 2012 whether you racists like it or not :) ge


tugbo200-5 5 years ago

GeeGee

Ok Sara Paulin lookalike ,we will see


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Nice play on the race card geegee. You evidently have trouble admitting you got fooled. Live with it. The rest of us are having to until 2012. By the way, if that is you I think I'd hide my face in shame.

tugbo - I think Sarah looks much better than what I see in her avatar pic.

The Frog


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geegee77 5 years ago from The Lone Star State!!

@tugbo200 LMAO that was hilarious seriously almost peed myself lol

Kermit Id really hate to see what you look like im sure the frog looks much better lmao!!!! :) ge


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

It goes like this geegee in case you have a mental defect. You came on this Hub accusing people of being racists. Now understand this you liberal nitwit. You don't know anyone here, their background or anything about them. Take a hike and make like you don't exist because after that remark, you may not. Stop being a hypocrite for once in your miserable existence. I was being polite BTW. Next time I won't be.

Accusing people you don't know one iota of being racists is a personal attack. Don't take what I said personally, just live with it.

The Frog


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geegee77 5 years ago from The Lone Star State!!

Oh that was being polite froggy, Ive come across many like you and they always get so darn defensive, that's how I know that they are true blue, but they hide it soo well:) ge


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Geegee,

The issue about Obama isn't his race. I'm as conservative as you can get without being a libertarian, and think very highly of Herman Cain, Allen West, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, etc., all of whom are minorities.

The real issues are ideology and competence. If a candidate has those two things down, that's the end of it. Race has nothing to do with it. I am against Obama because he is a serial law breaker, shirker of legal duty, wildly profligate spender of money we don't even have, a socialist, and a transnational. He treats those of opposing political views like criminals, and lets the DOJ give skates to real criminals he "likes." And he is grossly incompetent; his outragious fiscal policies and idiotically pro-Iranian foreign policy attest to this.

Obama isn't evil because he's black; Obama is evil because he's evil. He hates America, and hates the ordered liberty promised by our DOI and Constitution. He wants to be cult dictator of a transnational socialist state, and is wasting no time or effort in trying to change America into just such a nation. He should be impeached, tried for treason, and punished (jailed or hung).

You can be assured that if the GOP primary winner is a genuine TPM patriot, he or she will get my support, both in money and time, regardless of race.

Contrary to liberal belief, modern conservatism, at least as expressed by the TPM, focuses on constuctionist legal interpretation (observing framer intent when interpreting law), federal debt reduction, and free markets (elimination of unnecessary business regulation and import/export tariffs, as well as all federal business subsidies and earmarks). The TPM is completely race neutral. It simply wants a return to the ordered liberty and federalism (vertical separation of powers) that our Founders intended for us. Barack Obama is a tyrant, a serial usurper of constitutionally guaranteed state and individual powers, who is making our nation even more broke trying to fund his vast illegal expansion of federal power. He should be SHRINKING federal government, and trying to pay down the debt (and I don't mean through Uncle Ben's printing press, but through gigantic cuts in federal operating expenses, comprehensive entitlement reform, and massive bulking up of the tax base by scrapping the loophole ridden FIT and going to a VAT or national sales tax).

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

geegee - You are nothing more than a troll. That's how I picked up on you if my memory serves me correctly. Do something constructive rather than be your usual destructive self. As I said, you know nothing about the people you are trying to accuse of things - NOTHING. Get lost.

I don't like trolls geegee. Amazing that you were so open about it.


tugbo200-5 5 years ago

geegee

You stated "What is hilarious to me is all of these idiot's avatars: ducks, frogs & squirrels haha lmao "

Definition of Idiot "An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way"

Now,I am not a college grad but the fact you know no one

personally with these avatars,I am inclined to say,this definition fits 'YOU" quite well.


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geegee77 5 years ago from The Lone Star State!!

@Stu I can't believe you just said he should be "jailed or hung" wow you claim to have all these "facts" about all of the "evil" things he has done. Just because someone writes a book, or says it to be true. It doesn't matter what I say or anyone who disagrees with you, you all are going to believe whatever bs you want to. Wanting someone to be hung that is evil :/ ge


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

geegee - Obama feeds you your bs pablum and you slurp it up and belch it back out. Stop being a hypocrite believing anything a fraud tells you. It's the sign of a very weak mind. Now run along, recess is over.


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vrajavala 5 years ago from Port St. Lucie

Dr. Corsi has signaled that criminal complaint of fraud will be logged withe the FBI very shortly by an internationally recognized forensic expert. As the Kenyan Constitution now allows for someone like him, with a lapsed Kentan citizenship to renew it and even run for Pres of Kenya, maybe he should just not return from his European tour.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

vrajavala - All I could say if he didn't return is good riddance.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Geegee,

Traitors SHOULD be jailed or hung, depending on the severity of the crime(s). I would give you the evidence, but you'd probably blow it off.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - I think geegee went back to LalaLand to rest her brain.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Vrajavala,

I've always wondered about that Kenyan BC. Obama ALSO has provided a US BC. How can he have BOTH? Was Ann Dunham on a world tour while giving birth?

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Frog,

I hope she has alot of Ambien. That brain needs ALOT of rest.

BTW, as predicted, she didn't ask for the evidence. In libbies evidence can lead to serious allergic reactions.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Geegee,

Let me repeat my earlier point:

The TPM "focuses on constuctionist legal interpretation (observing framer intent when interpreting law), federal debt reduction, and free markets (elimination of unnecessary business regulation and import/export tariffs, as well as all federal business subsidies and earmarks). The TPM is completely race neutral. It simply wants a return to the ordered liberty and federalism (vertical separation of powers) that our Founders intended for us."

Would you please explain to me what is "hateful" about the above?

If the TPM is hateful, why does it support minority politicians like Cain, West, and Haley? Why does it support women like Bachmann, Palin, and Angle? You act like modern conservatism is something out of the stone age. It isn't.

Stu


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vrajavala 5 years ago from Port St. Lucie

Well, you see, Hawaii, Stu has a special thing called a "Certification of Live birth", which is issued on the testimony of a person's testimony. That person has to have some evidence that he/she lives in Hawaii, like utility bill, etc. however, it is not a "long term birth certificate" with the attending doctor's name, the child's weight and length, etc. so, theoretically, if Grandma Dunham went to the Registrar, they would issue this "Certification". Now, there are examples of people obviously born abroad have such "certifications", such as Obama's step-sister, Maya, who was born in Indonesia. Also the Chinese "Father of Modern China, Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, also had a "Certification."

The so-called long form birth certificate that Obama released on April 27, 2011, has been examined by leading forensic experts, including Donald Trump's, and it has been found to be a forgery.

Criminal charges through the FBI are imminent.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Vrajavala,

I know about the "self testimony" short forms in Hawaii. They are proof of nothing.

Also, I am a ten year Photoshop expert, and have prepared proof that the Obama long form is a fake. I presented this proof to a Hubber via private email.

While nothing I can do can compete with the FBI experts, I'm thinking about making a Hub out of what I prepared. I think anyone with an open mind, after seeing both my highly magnified screen captures, and verbal analysis, will see immediately that the Obama long form is a fake prepared in Photoshop or PaintShopPro.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Wow Geegee, another piece of intellectual brilliance. You have no facts, no logic, no nothing. Just smears. At least I put myself on the line with real arguments. All you offer is insults. Typical libby crap. If you ever REALLY want to discuss the facts, let me know. I'll prove your "commie-in-chief" is the anti-American POS that he really is.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

geegee - As I said once before, "Run along now, recess is over." Your troll here is now over. You have nothing constructive to add to the conversation as usual.

The Frog


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog - Did you remove a GeeGee post? I can't bring it up?

GeeGee - Are you REALLY from Texas? You sound like a moonbat from Vermont. Maybe we should change places. We'd probably both be loved then.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

geegee - Goodbye. You have nothing constructive to add again.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Looks like you're zapping more GeeGee comments. I understand why, but it cuts down my heckling opportunities. :(

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - It's time for geegee to troll on elsewhere.

The Frog


tugbo200-5 5 years ago

Kudos--- my friend


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Maybe I'll create a Hub just for her to post to. That way I can snap back with witty rebuttals. :)


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - I first encountered geegee on vrjavala's Hub where she trolled in and told him he didn't have anything better to do than write his article. Then she blatantly told him that she voted his writing down. No reason other than she is a liberal troll.

She's one of those people who if you aren't in sync with her far left line of thinking then you are wasting your time.

I called her on it as I am known to do. Then she showed up her to show more or her ass to readers. So that's geegee.

I guess she needs to Tweet the Whine House's Minister of Propaganda, Jesse Lee, and tattle on us.

The Frog


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Fine with me. I'm looking for my next pol to flame. Did you catch my fax to Bwaney Fwank?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Yeah, Bwawney is a real sweetheart, flaming progressive.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

I'm thinking of going down to Beantown and tossing a football around with him. Maybe it'll turn him around. :)

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