Listen to Trayvon Martin's screams on 911 tape

No Justice, no peace

Trayvon Martin screamed for his life before he was shot.
Trayvon Martin screamed for his life before he was shot.

This tape is haunting

There are some things that you just should not put into your mind and the tape of someone screaming during the Trayvon Martin incident is one of those things for me. I cannot get it out of my mind. Listen to the tape here. Zimmerman has said that it is he screaming on the tape but listen carefully and at .42 seconds you hear a gunshot and the screaming stops. If Zimmerman were screaming for help, wouldn’t he have continued even after the gunshot?

If you listen carefully, this person is screaming for their life. They scream help several times and then they wail and then silence. Trayvon Martin’s mother has said that that is the voice of her son. His father has said that it is Trayvon screaming for his life. This is the tape that caused his mother to run from the room when she heard it.

Zimmerman told other lies. He said that Trayvon attacked him from behind, but another phone call—Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend—completely contradicts that claim. The girlfriend says that Trayvon knew he was being followed and eventually started to run, but Zimmerman caught up with him. They had a confrontation, she says, and then the phone went dead.

My anger continues to grow over this incident because I cannot get the tape out of my head and because George Zimmerman has not been arrested. I never want to forget Trayvon's fear and deafening silence after the gunshot.

Trayvon was close to his home when he was killed, but the police never canvassed the area to find out if anyone was missing a kid. He lay in the morgue for three days before his identity was discovered. The police had his cell phone, but never checked it. Had they, they would have seen that he was on the phone at the time he was murdered. They would have been able to call his parents.

George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in cold blood. That’s Trayvon’s voice on that recording screaming for help. He wails when he realizes Zimmerman has a gun. Bang! Then the screams stop. Arrest George Zimmerman and give Trayvon’s family justice.

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Shanna11 4 years ago from Utah

I cannot believe this happened. I cannot imagine what this poor kid's last moments were like- sitting there holding a bag of skittles (according to news reports), knowing you were about to be shot by some lunatic...it breaks my heart. How awful for his family and how tragic he was murdered so young...


idratherbe 4 years ago

I also feel the anger and frustration. For just a young life to be ended is heartbreaking. My prayers go out to the family. I can only hope that justice will be serviced! Being older, I had always hoped in my lifetime we as Americans could live as one. We all need to refocus our anger at some point for solutions. Anger won't fix the problem, but maybe putting our minds together as one enity will.


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

It's hard to believe that someone would kill a person due to his/her skin color. I think most people have friends of other races. If not friends, certainly someone of a different race whom we can admire. But to kill someone just becaus he or she is a different skin color is something I will never understand.

I know there are people like that, and Zimmerman appears to be one. I still find it hard to believe.

But hate comes in all sizes, shapes and colors.

I really didn't hear any racial slurs on the recording, but if a man is screaming for help, there is no need to shoot him. I think justice will be done in this cse.


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

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I've commented on this issue in another thread posted on this same topic. It's important to call attention to this outrage -- I've voted your article Up and Interesting.

The issue here goes well beyond one trigger-happy rogue racist. In my view, it reflects the pervasive racism within American society, a legacy of the slavery era and Jim Crow, plus the ongoing need for a nonwhite, repressed, regimented, low-wage workforce.

The result is a society in which black people are regarded as targets, and young black males in particular. Florida's "Stand Your Ground" shoot-to-kill-when-you-please law basically was intended to implement this pervasive mindset. Here in Austin, Texas, we have our own case of Byron Carter, a young unarmed black man shot and killed last May by a cop (another entry in a pattern).

I'm angry, and I don't even have kids. I don't want a society like this. I hope this feeds outrage out the gazoo, and outrage that goes way beyond finger-wagging and police review boards, and fuels an ongoing movement aimed at making really revolutionary changes in American society.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

All of you have jumped to conclusion because you have once again being lead by the media! STOP! Remember how Sharpton became famous? He was on air night after night screaming about the Lacrosse players who raped an innocent black girl..............later she admitted she lied and that she was a stripper and prostitute!......The white boys were innocent and had their lives and education destroyed and put on hold!

LHwritings, you say you don't want a society like this? Have you ever googled how many black men rape white woman each year compared to how many white men rape black women? Did you know that blacks only make up 21% of our population yet fill our prisons by over 50% along with latinos? .............One white man kills a black boy and you guys play the OMGosh moment!

None of you know how that kid reacted when confronted, He could as easily been a smart mouth cussing little defiant shithead and scared the allready paranoid man with a gun!...............Now in keeping it honest, I live in a gated community with no African American families........if a lone black teenager is seen walking my street he will be confronted...............so will a strange white kid for that matter!


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

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American Romance's comments precisely illustrate the pervasive racist attitudes that permeate modern American society. These are the attitudes ("black men are raping our white women") that have made hunting targets out of male black youths like Trayvon Martin and a horrible, unceasing stream of others gunned down in city after city, day after day, year after year. They're the attitudes that led to the "shoot-and-ask-questions-later" laws that have okayed a hunting license against black youths in American cities and towns.

If it takes vile racist comments like these to push a button, then let's push that button. The outrage needs to hit the streets. Enough is enough.

Trayvon Martin's death agony is clear -- it's heard on tape, as this article points out. Zimmerman's exchange with the 911 operator is also on tape. Trayvon was shot dead holding some candy and a cup of tea.

I don't want to hear about black rapists and white women. I want to hear about a movement to put a stop to these perpetual killings of young black men. Justice for Trayvon Martin is just a start. The black community, the working class, and "progressives" need to start fighting back.


Kasha banks 4 years ago

Amercian romance im sorry to say this but that was real dumb what you said. I dont care if the boy was being a smart ass it doesnt mean to take his life. And if there is a crazy paranoid man holding a gun then he should not have a badge.


Ebony 4 years ago

This was definitely a racist act, this young man did nothing to deserve this, this man should have been in jail long time ago. The sounds of him screaming for his life is still running through my head, but justice will be served. I will keep the family in my prayers, and God bless this young man. I also believe if this boy was another color, it would have been a different story and the police would have been on their feet and toes investigating this. This is a shame. NO ONE DESERVES THIS


Monica214 4 years ago

Very well written LHwritings. Thank you!


Phil Edmonds 4 years ago

George Zimmerman was the one yelling for help. Trayvon attacked him according to an eye witness.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Just using common sense, if Zimmerman was screaming why did the screaming abruptly stop after the shot?


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

If you had managed to fire your gun at the attacker after being hurt, would you continue to yell for help. I think the common reaction might be to suddenly relax knowing that the the threat to your life was over. There would be nmo need to call for help after your attacker had beed shot,


Tara 4 years ago

This breaks my heart, but what really hurts is the thought of his last moments. They were filled with absolute fear and I can not get his cries out of my head.


Jim 4 years ago

this was no big loss other than another gang banger! You want to write about something, write about the two black young adults that poured gasoline and lit a boy on fire for being white!


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

"Jim" writes

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this was no big loss

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Fascinating (and disgusting) to see that the spirit of the KKK and American white supremacist hatred is still alive and slithering.

American working people and the progressive left need to come down hard against efforts like this to stir up racist and ethnic animosity and violence.

The attack that resulted in the murder of Trayvon Martin is part of the ongoing racist repression of this country's black, Latino, and nonwhite population, and also, in broader terms, part of an escalating, intensifying attack against the working class generally. Working people of all colors, all ethnic groups, must unite to fight back.

I sincerely hope that the death of Trayvon Martin will at least ignite a persistent movement, a revolt, that will lead to a society where young black men are no longer regarded as some kind of wild game to be hunted and shot on sight.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

When was this and where? I would like to write about it. It's not on the internet anywhere. Are you sure it happened?


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

I don't know Don, if I'm fighting someone and screaming help and then have to shoot them, I continue to call for help because I wouldn't want them to die.


jason 4 years ago

are you people idiots it was zimmermman getting the hell beatten out of him and wittnesses seen it allif it were me i would have did the very thing he had done to defend myself


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

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Habueld asks

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When was this and where? I would like to write about it. It's not on the internet anywhere. Are you sure it happened?

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Habueld, see:

Police: Teens set 13-year-old student on fire

http://www.kctv5.com/story/17048649/teens-set-13-y...

There's no "equation" here with the Trayvon Martin case, except for the fact that this was an atrocity committed against another apparently innocent kid. Yes, racist instincts by the perpetrators may have been involved. But the cops have not "absolved" the perpetrators -- as of this report, they're looking for them.

There's never been a black terrorist movement against whites equivalent to the KKK or other white supremacist groups. There's been no history of widespread lynching of whites as there has been against blacks in this country. There's been no long pattern of cops maintaining a reign of terror and oppression against white neighborhoods and sections of cities as there's been against black neighborhoods and sections. There's been no pattern of racist atrocities against whites equivalent to the Abner Louima case and many others.

Perspective and context tell the real story.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Trayvon didn't have the right to defend himself from someone following him in the dark?


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Thanks LHwritings. That is a horrible tragedy and they should be thrown under the jail.


Bose 4 years ago

Why would the screams from Zimmerman continue after the threat was no longer present? Your analysis is at least partially flawed.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

@Bose, why wouldn't he yell for help because someone was dying? Your analysis is a little flawed. If I shot someone, I would want all the help I could get to make sure they didn't die. George Zimmerman didn't even try to perform CPR. He just walked around holding his head.


idratherbe 4 years ago

More importantly if Zimmerman had a broken nose and a laceration to his head, so severe it should have taken stitches. Why didn't he seek a hospital or request an ambulance? And if he did seek medical assistance where's the evidence? Are there police photos of these injuries?


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

How do you know there isn't proof? There shoulod be some eyewi9tnessews if no photos. I can understand the broknen nose. You can suffer a broken nose and not be in sufficient pain to seek medical help.

If I am not mistaken, most of these thingsd are in the police report. And, why did the police not arrest him at the scene if they thought a criome had been committed.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

All of you living by mob rule should know that more facts came out today! I loved how everyone came down on me but what I said is fact!

Today we find out little innocent Martin was suspended from school because of drug use! We find out today that there WAS an eyewitness who tried to stop Martin when he was on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out of him! I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that this little thug did something to provoke Zimmerman! No one kills just for killing! Zimmerma was bloody and had a broken nose by little Martin! Martin had his hoody up, was probably still high in drugs and in a mood to act like a little gangsta!................got what he had coming for having attitude! I also heard the Black Panthers put a bounty on Zimmermans head! If I put a bounty on Obamas head will the secret service show up at my door in minutes????? I was right and knew it from the beginning! You can all send your apologies to my email address!...........Oh and you black panthers who think what your doing is right are WRONG!


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

I didn't come down on you, American Romance. I agree with you. Racism mens 5hat you hate everyone of one race. ThaSomeone is getting whzt they want starting these conflicts. I think I know who it is.


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

American Romance writes

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Today we find out little innocent Martin was suspended from school because of drug use!

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This is a lie and fits solidly into the pattern of the racist smear campaign that has been launched against this murdered young man.

According to news reports today, Trayvon's school is now saying that he was suspended for having possession in his book bag of "a baggie that school officials believe may have formerly contained marijuana."

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/26/10872...

The more detailed scene that is emerging presents an even more sinister portrait of Zimmerman. Apparently, against the 911 operator's instructions, Zimmerman started following Trayvon while the young man was talking to his girlfriend on his cellphone. Trayvon was carrying a package of Skittles, a cup of iced tea, and the cellphone. Especially given Trayvon's background (As and Bs in school, attending an Aviation Mechanics school, excelling in math, intending to become an engineer) this does not fit a pattern of a young hoodlum looking to commit any kind of crime.

Instead, the pattern it fits is a pattern of Zimmerman STALKING Trayvon, possibly harassing him, and provoking a fight ("altercation"). This, by a guy (Zimmerman) who outweighed Trayvon by 100 lbs and carried a loaded 9mm.

The cops say they have a witness who saw Trayvor knock Zimmerman down, jump on him, and bang his head against the grass(?).

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/26/10868...

What my instincts tell me at this point is -- hooray for Trayvon. If this happened, I'm glad Trayvon was able to bloody this STALKING BELLIGERENT CREEP at least a bit before Zimmerman shot and killed him in cold blood.

More as it develops...


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

So now we see the importance of waiting for all evidence and letting a court of law judge this. BTW, I think that both sides may be called racists simply because they have jumped to the conclusion that Trayvon was killed only because he Black. Anyone who believes that is definitely a racist because all of the facts depenbd on skin color.

According to the reports, Zimmerman had a broken nose and a wound in the back of his head. Supposedly Martin had been beating Zimmerman's head against the concrete, That could easily be verified in the police report. and it may well have since there was no arrest at the scene of the crime.

Now which is more logical? Assume the police had no evidence to make the arrest or to assume the police were all white and itgnored the cold-blooded killing of a Black Teen. If you assume the latter, you are definitely a racist who is totally unconcerned about facts.


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

The recording of George Zimmerman's original call to police is available here:

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-grio/46771333/#4677...

This is chilling. Keep in mind that he's seeing Trayvon, a young, accomplished highschool student, a kid that makes As and Bs, is enrolled in an aviation mechanics class, seeking to become an engineer. Trayvon is holding a cup of iced tea, a package of skittles, and the cellphone, talking to his girlfriend as he walks. Yet Zimmerman tells cops Trayvon is "suspicious", "There's something wrong with him", and claims Trayvon is reaching for something in his waistband (to scratch his crotch perhaps?). Zimmerman also emphasizes that his target is a "black male".

The really chilling part, to me, is when Zimmerman clearly starts trying to catch Trayvon, obviously getting winded, so that the 911 operator asks if he's "following" him, and Zimmerman acknowledges that he is. The operator tells him "We don't need you to do that", but Zimmerman continues.

Keep in mind also that Zimmerman outweighs Trayvon substantially and is armed with the loaded 9mm handgun -- yet he keeps going after this young man. And eventually kills him.

Maybe at some point, Trayvon does turn and confront him. I think the circumstances are quite clear.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

Whats the difference??? if the baggy was empty then he must have used it! Duh! Even more info came out last night! When Zimmerman followed Trayvon in his vehicle, Trayvon began running, Zimmerman got out to see where he was going, Trayvon saw his follower as weak and came back, Zimmerman was getting back in his truck and Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, Zimmerman replied no and Trayvon said you do now and dragged him down and beat him! Those screams you hear for help were Zimmerman NO Trayvon! Zimmermans only mistake was following when 911 said stop! Besides when will you mention that Zimmerman is hispanic? He is as much hispanic as Obama is white!

Over the St. Patrick weekend there were 49 shootings in Chicago, a 6 year old little girl was killed in a drive by!..............why havent you written on this? Because it was black on black crime! Thats why! That 6 year old girl didn't have on a hoody like a gangster, she didn't have an empty bag of dope, she didn't break the nose of anyone! She was innocent and had her whole life ahead of her! She is the victim, not Trayvon!


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

American Romance, you said it. If George Zimmerman had never followed this kid, we would not be having this conversation. Trayvon Martin would be alive and with his family. I don't care if he smoked a bag of weed. He was not a threat to George Zimmerman and Zimmerman's actions that night caused his death.

President Obama is considered African-American and I don't care if Zimmerman is blue. He could have been a black neighborhood watchman for all I care. He had no reason to follow this kid. I would have broken his fucking nose too. I would have stopped and asked if he had a problem too and so would you have.

Everyone, who heard those screams that night, except for Zimmerman and one other witness who is anonymous, say that it was a kid screaming. We will let that play out in court, but what we know is clear, that this kid was scared and he started to run to get away from Zimmerman. He weighed 140 lbs and George Zimmerman is well over two hundred.

The reason I keep writing about this is because it keeps happening. Don't worry, I'll get to the black on black crime too. I'm not afraid of taking responsibility for things that are wrong in the black community. How about you, you want to take responsibility for this dumb law that allowed Zimmerman to have a gun in the first place. You sound like a Republican, so do you want to take responsibility for the racist in your party? Here is the point, you take all of the guns off the street, and Trayvon Martin and the little girl in Detroit are still alive. By the way, don't you know that a black child gets shot or killed by another black child every day and have been for the last 25-years. If I wrote about that, I would be writing all day, every day and no one would give a damn.


idratherbe 4 years ago

@habueld, you are exactly correct on all points! For anyone to twist this around is ridiculous! And I'll note here I am an older "white guy", for those who want to label me. Had Zimmerman not pursued Trayvon in the first place, we wouldn't be having this conversation. This law is wrong, and no one can convince me otherwise. Bottom line, if you see a suspicious person in your neighborhood, call the police! Keep the gun in the gun cabinet and use it for hunting!


dotheright thing 4 years ago

First of all American Romance lets just put it on the table you are racist and this Trayvon incident you are clearly proud of. ok, so your saying that this minor should have gaving zimmerman the upmost respect, answered all his questions and everything would be ok. right? NEWS FLASH this is 2012 we have more people pretending to be cops then they really are what person in their right mind wont act in self defense if their being chased by someone they don't no. mayb trayvon did beat his as but he got what he was looking for. when your scared out of your mind and someone is chasing you down your going to fight back so when exackly did trayvon lose his tights to defend himself? My point exacky


Sweety 4 years ago

The screams were from Zimmerman.


dotheright thing 4 years ago

Sweety..........We don't know exackly who screams they are. Zimmerman says it's him and Trayvon's parents are saying its Trayvon.


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

Sweety writes

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The screams were from Zimmerman.

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Yes, he has this way of screaming in falsetto, especially when he's wielding his loaded 9mm pistol.

IF he WAS screaming, besides practicing as a countertenor, he was probably bleating in indignation that a young guy 100 lbs. lighter than him could have knocked him down.


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carolinekirby 4 years ago from Indianapolis, IN

Thank you for this hub. It made me very disappointed and sad, but the truth needs to get out about what happened to Trayvon. George Zimmerman was a racist and had no reason to follow this boy. I feel like people who are saying Trayvon deserved it are just trying to make themselves feel better.


Kenneth 4 years ago

You guys watch too much news.. stating you know for a "fact" that is Trayvon screaming.. you need to listen to the 7 released 911 calls from the http://sanfordfl.gov website and then read the police report there is at least one call that states the person in the white shirt was on top.. the closest thing to white is Grey not red as zimmerman was wearing.

Right or wrong everyone deserves their day in court, but do the research for yourself, don't buy into the baby pictures the media shows and the inaccurate information they are listing in the 911 calls.. I've listened to all 7 and there are alot of exaggerated statements in most of these.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Ok, so how does that change the fact that Trayvon was 17. He wasn't armed. Zimmerman stalked him. I don't care what pictures are posted of this kid. Zimmerman did everything wrong that night and that is what caused this CHILD'S death. It also doesn't change the fact that the lead investigator wanted Zimmerman arrested because he didn't believe his story. You should read and research.


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

If an unarmed teen is beating my head against the concrete, should I shoot him if I can get to my gun? Should I apologize for following him? If I am walking back to my car and he attacks me, what should I do? And more significantly, what would you do?


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

I don't know you @DonCrowson. I don't know why you are following me. What I do know is that I am scared. So I would knock you on you ass too because I'm protecting myself from an adult who is stalking me.

We tell children all the time to not to talk to strangers. George Zimmerman was a stranger. Trayvon was trying to avoid him. Zimmerman kept following even after the police told him not too. I would so knock you on your ass because I am standing my ground.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

habueld, I read your comment several times and I could feel your passion! I want you to feel mine! Neither of us will EVER agree to what I believe is the truth! You are 100% correct in saying Zimmerman should have stopped and Tryvon would be alive! That is a fact!

Now this part is not fact but has a super high percentage rate! We learn yesterday that Trayvon wasn't suspended once but this was his THIRD suspension this year! We also learn he has gangster Tweets out somewhere! I haven't seen those yet! The high percentage is Tryvon was going to be dead before 20 anyway if he didn't change his ways! His life choices were leading him down a dark path many blacks take today.

One of your commenters said I was racist and that I enjoyed this! I reject that idea because I would vote for Condy Rice as president any day of the week! Am I angry at the black community? yes! Why? because God bless them they burn themselves! Putting a bounty on Zimmermans head and all the hoopla isn't helping them. It simply turns into more racial divide. There is too much evidence that you (meaning black) are doing this to themselves! You are keeping your race from achieving the American dream and becoming an asset to society! Your leaders like Sharpton and Jackson are not helping you at all! They are using you for a platform! You call Miss Rice an uncle Tom when she is the one you should look up to and try to copy her life!

You have been brainwashed by Democrats into believe the Republicans are the racist ones! We laugh behind closed doors at blacks over this! Highest leaders in the KKK........Democrats...........the governor who sent out the national guard back in the sixties to keep 6 black children from attending school............Democrat! ........who fought for years for equal rights and civil liberties for blacks......Republicans!...........Democrats never gave a shit until they realized if they sucked you into welfare programs and hud housing they could make you vote for them like puppets each election!

habueld, you are too smart for that! I see in your writing, stop having an opinion and start to study the truth!..........then base your opinions on fact! Then you may see things in a different light!

Ever wonder in your mind why blacks in Europe are nothing like blacks in America? They were slaves there about the same time blacks were slaves here? Those blacks come over here and they don't even like you? I met some basketball players from Europe one time and they talked trash about the blacks in America.......................explain that to me?..........they were black by the way! What does that say to you? I ask you these personal questions because you have the fortitude to answere them. You and I do think alike in many ways and I am sincerely curious.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

@AmericanRomance I don't know why European blacks would talk trash about American blacks and I don't care, but I would like for you to get your facts straight. Yes Democrats were the racist party from Abraham Lincoln until the 1970s when white people started fleeing cities for the suburbs. Those whites then joined what is now known as the GOP. So, again, it is a fact that most people with racists leanings are members of the right. What are you going to do about it?

BTW, I was arrested for pot residue as a child and I stole some things too, but I have never been arrested. I didn't go down some dark path and you can't judge whether Trayvon would have either. These tweets about him being a gang member sound bogus and smack of racism.


dotheright thing 4 years ago

IF Trayvon body wasn't found by Zimmerman truck that tells you that Zimmerman is lying about trayvon following him. Seems to me trayvon body was in the backyard from where the news shows the killing happened. If Zimmerman didn't follow Trayvon than why couldn't he just tell the police where he was instead of telling them to call him back when they get their. thats because he wasn't going to be in the same spot when the police arrived. Open your eyes, I mean this could have been your child. Trayvon was trying to get home in the rain to see the All Star game that night, but Zimmerman some how thought otherwise. Why would Trayvon turn around to go back to start something with Zimmerman when he had nothing to defend himself with. I could see if Trayvon went home got other people or a gun and came back, but he didn't he never went to find Zimmerman. Zimmerman found him.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Trayvon was having trouble in school and that's why he was with his father the night he was shot. However, there is no violence in his history. Zimmerman was charged with two violent incidents. He had problems with the police and was arrested and he has a domestic violence charge. Why does he get a pass?


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

@habueld, According to my understanding of the incident, the two had words.

After that Zimmerman walked back to his car. If that is true, Travon could have avoided the confrontation. But he chose to persue and attack Zimmerman. That would men that Travon started the fight and Zimmerman was defending himself.

That may not be true, but it is one version of the story. That's exactly why we should wait fo discover all of the facts and let the courts decide it. Reson should prevail in a civilized society. Currently, reason is being ignored and someone is fomenting the hate.

Acouple of facts that you should think about. Black teens kill Black teens every day. Thousands of them die a violent death. Who says anything about that? However, a Hispanic kills a Black teen. The Hispanic would make no difference. But Zimmerman is white because hios father is a Jew. That becomes improtant for those who want to stir racial hate. Why would they desire to do that?

Ask yourself whey there are no worldwide protests when a Black kills a Black? Some people are getting what they want--they want racial hatred bnecause they are the racist.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Black people have been protesting this for years the constant killing in black communities. The difference this time is that the nation as a whole is outraged. If it's just black people protesting, it can be dismissed but the nation can't dismiss this case.

You keep leaving out the fact Don that this was a 17-year-old kid who was being followed by an adult. He tried to run away from him. He was scared and had a right to protect himself. The lead investigator did not believe Zimmerman's claims and wanted him arrested on negligent manslaughter charges.

Zimmerman was arrested, I just found out, three times. Once for resisting and arrest with violence. How did he get these charges cleared? How did he qualify for a handgun permit? One new fact coming out is that his father is a retired Magistrate Judge in Florida.

Last point, I bet you dollars to doughnuts that on Zimmerman's birth certificate it says he is white.


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

@habueld The truth is that we do not know what actually happened. But you are assuming with many others that Zimmerman kille Martin because he was Black. We do not know the facts, but many are jumping to the conclusion that is is race hate.

I recall the Duke Lacrosse team. Do you? Recall the lies?

Do you recall Al Sharpton and the six white men that kidnapped Tawana Brawley and raped her. Do you recall the liues?

I am simply saying that we do not know enough to reach a conclusion. However, it is obnvious that many racists consider Zimmerman guilty without a trial. Pardon me for suggesting that people with the mentality is the mentality of an uncivilized nation. Do not join those who are uncivilized. Wait until you know the facts

BTW you do recall there is Black on white crime. The reasonable person would take the same attitude in those cases. Give the man a trial by his peers. Anything less that that is unconstitutional and those who refuse that should not be called citizens of the United States. Neither should they be considered human.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

@doncrowson

Do you recall Bernard Goetz?

Do you recall the Central Park Jogger?

Do you recall Emmett Till?

Do you recall the Black Panthers?

Do you recall Rodney King?

Do you recall Latasha Harlins?

Do you recall the Scotsborough Boys?

Do you recall what caused the massacre at Rosewood?

Do you know what happened on Black Wall Street in Tulsa, Ok.

I can continue with this and fill up this box. We are not trying to reach a conclusion. We are trying to have George Zimmerman arrested. Do you know who commits most of the crime in this country, of course you do. The question then is why is it that our prisons are filled with black and brown people. You, personally, may not be a racist, however, the system that we live under is and always has been.


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

So are you saying that we should abandon civilization due to prejudice? Nonsense . Find the rfacts and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. The New Black Panthers haver put out a reward for Zimmerman. And Eric Holder will not investigate voting rights violations of the whites by the New Black Panthersa. Do you not see that you are leaving civilzation for lynch mobs?


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

More facts continue to come out! Today we learn that Zimmerman has family members who are black, we learn his mother tutors black children in the home. we learn Zimmermans neighborhood only has 47% whites! Zimmerman is hispanic! If his last name had been Gonzales we would not have this conversation! Zimmerman was overzealous in protecting his community! But he was not a cold blooded killer! Again if Tryvon had been polite and explained what he was doing this would have never happened and you and I both know this! I don't care if you are not worried about European blacks, I care that you don't question why they don't speak bubonics, have good jobs and are equal to the rest of society in their country! This is something you should question!..............by the way I have not one but TWO black nephews! So I have a vested interest in this mess!


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Huh?


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

@americanromance If you had 15-year-old daughter who was walking alone and being followed by a guy in a truck, would you want her to be stop and answer his questions politely? No, but you expect that this 17-year-old black boy should act differently. I'm a high school English teacher and most Americans don't speak proper English or write it for that matter. Your argument about Europe just shows your ignorance about racism in the world and diaspora that continues from Africa.

Africa has some of the poorest countries in the world, yet the students that leave there from other countries generally speak 4 or 5 different languages. They read better than most Americans. European blacks have been fighting racism for years. Most still live in ghettos and in France, they are trying to run them all out of the country under Sarkozy. However, European schools are better than ours and their social services beat ours hands down. That means that most people live above the poverty level and they can earn a living wage. Most European countries are socialist countries and they don't have homeless, the deal with addiction and drug crimes differently because drugs are legal. They have no idiots running around with handguns. Stop trying to compare apples and oranges.

This system is racists. It excludes and exploits the poor while making the rich richer. Your nephews will never get a fair shake unless you and I work to change the system.


idratherbe 4 years ago

@habuel, some folks just don't get it. New tape, showing Zimmerman at the police station, shows no evidence of head trama or broken nose. Video couldn't be any clearer. Also reflects being treated, at least in my opinion, as being treated quite well by the police. Perhaps it's because Zimmerman's dad was a magistrate judge? Time will tell.


Afig 4 years ago

@ American Romance and to everyone else..

Yes it is a tragedy that this occured... I find it interesting that American Romance mentioned about the 6 yr old in Chicago, and till this time there has been no attention paid to that subject, There was a 6yr old Shot numerous times by a LATINO!! CHILDREN, INNOCENT CHILDREN dying from gang violance needs to be talked about. This 6yr old dying was a tremendous TRAGEDY!!Has this surfaced the news everywhere? Has this caught Obamas eye? Has this become a huge topic everyone has discussed??!!!NO!!! There are innocent children dying. DUe to Gang Violance... I am Hispanic, and Believe me I have been looked down by WHITES BLACKS LATINOS ASIANS you name it!this is everywhere!!! By the way if you guys want to discuss hate crimes..There was an asian boy about 17 yrs old who was beaten and there was a video that surfaced YOUTUBE, he was beaten by HISPANIC lowlifes and WHITES.. We are all the same just different nationalities, we cannot segragate and say that we need a change just because a black man was "murdered" Just like blacks have killed whites,whites have killed blacks, blacks killed latinos, latinos killed blacks, it keeps going, point being is that we dont need a change because of this incident ...we need a change period!


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

Racism is only skin deep. People of goodwill and character exist is every race. On the other hand, racists exist in every race.So the solu6tion is top become angry every time it occurs? No, the solution is to have parents to quit teaching hate in the home. And the real person of character does not hate all of the members of anpother race.

Your argument that someone of another race has looked down on you applies to 90 percent of the world. Hey, it's happened to me. But not everyone in the Black race looks down on me just because one or two has. Do not paint with such a broad brush.


Afig 4 years ago

My comment wasnt intended to sound like I am hurt by being looked down on, you misunderstood. Look ma'am the point is that day by day there is more hate going on everywhere. If it takes one "murder" for a country to be outraged, what has society become? If we are seeking for justice we should seek change.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

habueld, you and I both know that if someone is honest they wouldn't track down the 15 year old girl, Hey thats the way it is! And yes I would want her to run home! The other side of that coin is my 15 year old daughter would NEVER be allowed to walk the streets! We have always lived out in the country and I would never trust inner city dwellings or people!

You are right when you say African children can speak 4 or 5 languages, One of my best friends live in South AFrica and we met as children, he could speak 4 languages then and write in 2! Blacks in most parts of AFrica are in the same boat or worse than blacks here. I was speaking about blacks in England, France etc. I have met some and they were nice people with good back grounds. Are there poor blacks and whites in those countries? I am sure there are. Zimmerman was not a racist, you know this! You know that blacks are using this as an AHA moment! You of all people being a teacher should know better! You just took your people back 50 years in this country! If I put a $5000, bounty on every black panther taken out over the next 6 months I wonder how much I would have to pay out?? Does this outrage you?..........It should!........This is your time in life to matter! You should tell blacks to wait on the law! Not incite but calm them! Be a real leader instead of another user like Sharpton! Your hub is about hate! Not love and wait!...........think on that tonight as you hug your children and direct their lives! Do as God would have you or as the devil.........your choice! Only the courts can find the truth as close as possible and render a verdict until all the facts come out!


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Dude,

You are barking up the wrong tree with the New Black Panther Party and Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson. You will never hear me repeat or agree with what they say, so use somethng else to tell me I'm wrong, please. This hub is about my interpretation of what I hear. I hear someone screaming. I hear a gunshot. I hear them stop. If I had just shot someone, I would still be screaming for help. That's what the hub is about. Zimmerman didn't scream. He didn't call for help. He didn't give CPR. That's what this hub is about. A child is dead because George Zimmerman did everything wrong.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

habueld, I leave you with this, those 911 screams are now being claimed to come from Zimmerman and NOT Trayvor..........now you got something to consider!


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

"George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in cold blood"

Do you STILL believe that?


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Every witness, those people that were there, say Trayvon was screaming. I'll take their words over yours. Go read!


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

CMerrit, of course not! More news out today! Trayvon was allowed a tattoo at the age of 15, along with a gold grill!..........does this make him a bad person? NO, but does it show the direction and attitude he carried in his mind?........most certainly!

habueld, only one serious eye witness has come forward at this moment! So who were THOSE people?


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Yes I do, because if Zimmerman hadn't gotten out his car and chased this kid, there would have never been a confrontation and we would not be having this conversation. Read the witness accounts.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Read Gentleman. Zimmerman has problems with his account. Again, Trayvon's attitude does not matter. He was just trying to go home when and adult started stalking him. Where is his right to protect himself from an adult stalker?

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-29/justice/justice...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/trayvon-marti...

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854...


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

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The de facto murder of Trayvon makes me angry (and very sad), but the frenzy of extremist-right racism alibying Zimmerman and defending the right of racist whites to shoot black youths at their discretion is utterly outrageous.

Basically, what the racist right is trying to fight here is the protest against the actions not just of Zimmerman, but of the cops, and the white racist power structure (including the state prosecutor's office) that just assumed Zimmerman was in his rights and didn't even charge him with anything. As far as the racist right are concerned, this is the "natural" order of American society. For me, it's an "order" that deserves to be overthrown and crammed into the trashcan of history.

As Habueld repeatedly points out, Zimmerman's story is not only a moving target, it's falling apart as more and more evidence emerges.

As I've noted in another thread, it's also emerged that Zimmerman has a history of obsession with black males, plus a background as a wannabe-cop. See:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/trayvon-sh

What also particularly angers me is the persistent, ongoing PATTERN of killing young blacks (mostly males) mainly in America's cities. Just in Chicago alone, for example, there has been a spate of police killings of blacks, one of them a young black woman:

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The shooting is the most recent of several police-involved shootings in Chicago in the last week. On Wednesday, an off-duty Chicago detective shot two individuals after intervening in a "disturbance" in the city's Lawndale neighborhood. Rekia Boyd, 22, died Thursday of a gunshot wound. Antonio Cross, 39 -- who was also shot by the detective -- was charged with misdemeanor aggravated assault in connection with the incident.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/chicago-m...


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

I said I was going to stop commenting on this but the other day @americanromance you posted about the death of a kid in Detroit and how the media doesn't talk about it. What about this case?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57404540-50...


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

Time is going to tell the truth...and that is what we need. Before we convict anyone.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

I'm not asking for a conviction, all I'm asking for is an ARREST!


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

But, the police do not think they have the evidence to prove he is guilty of anything..."until we can establish probable cause to dispute [his claim of self-defense], we don't have the grounds to arrest him."

I wish they could somehow bring this to a trial, to let a judge and jury bring this to a final conclusion.

It is truly a very sad situation.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

The police wanted to arrest him that night. They didn't believe his story. It was the prosecutor who said no.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

I'm sorry @Americanromance, but I can't help myself. This is a recording of a police arrest by Scotland Yard in England. The young man is black, 21 and I don't think he speaks proper English. He is also called the n-word. How does that happen with your perfect European Blacks?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/30/police-ra...


wang 4 years ago

Zimmerman is a big time pussy, i bet if u went one on one with him with fists only he would piss himself. All these lames coming out to defend his character making it worse for him lol


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

I posed this question on another hub but will repeat it, If Trayvon had been wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase would Zimmerman have stopped him? If Trayvon had been white dressed in gothic black with piercings all over his face and smoking a cig would Zimmerman have stopped him?............you all know the answer here! This is proof that this case has nothing to do with race! It has everything to do with Trayvon not respecting authority, with the black community jumping to conclusion over skin color instead of facts! This is not communist Russia guys! We don't get arrested until there is a case! Right now the cops have an eye witness saying Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out of him, Trayvon says he shot because Trayvon threatened his life!..........the only thing we know to be true is the story from the eye witness, or at least at this point we have no reason to believe he had any reason to lie!..............so all of us are left with Trayvon a suspended little thug beating the crap out of a neighborhood watch man!...............now who should be arrested??????????????????


guest 4 years ago

I heard on tv a new's report the dad of trayvon claim the voice on the 911 tape was not his son's. Police..eyewitness report's it was Zimmerman's voice.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Umm, maybe you want to watch this video.

http://mybrctv.com/video/play/785194/channels/cnn/...


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

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American Romance writes

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I posed this question on another hub but will repeat it, If Trayvon had been wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase would Zimmerman have stopped him? If Trayvon had been white dressed in gothic black with piercings all over his face and smoking a cig would Zimmerman have stopped him?............you all know the answer here! This is proof that this case has nothing to do with race! It has everything to do with Trayvon not respecting authority, with the black community jumping to conclusion over skin color instead of facts!

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What's really disgusting is all these people (99% white racist) coming out of the woodwork to defend Zimmerman's right to pursue, stalk, confront, and then shoot to death a young man, a few doors from where he was living, because he didn't like the way his victim looked.

Actually, I really don't think this same crowd would be agitating with such enthusiasm if an armed black Neighborhood Watch volunteer had similarly tracked down and shot a likewise innocent white youth. In that hypothetical case, the shooter would be in a cell and the debate (especially on the extremist right) would be over death or life without parole.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

LH, then how come it doesn't happen? When was the last time a black cop accidentaly shot a white guy? We hear about white cops shooting blacks every year? There are lots of black cops! I see them on the TV show COPS every Saturday! I saw a black cop on a motorcycle just yesterday!...........why doesn't it happen? .........This is why whites are standing up! Because we know beyond a shadow of doubt this had nothing to do with race! NBC apoligized this morning for editing the tapes in favor or Trayvon, ABC apoligized yesterday for doctoring the video making Zimmerman look as though he had no wounds. I told you from the beginning this was all bullshit! I could be blind and you tell me about Trayvon and my first impression was he had to do something to provoke Zimmerman! His skin color didn't matter! The only crime Zimmerman commited was not adhering to the 911 dispatcher! He should be punished for not obeying the law!...........Trayvons parents should have any of their children left in the home put in social services and they should be fined for the cost of ambulance, law enforcement and time the county and city used to clean up this mess! Zimmerman would have shot a white gothic kid had the same circumstance been presented!


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LHwritings 4 years ago from Central Texas

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As I've repeatedly commented, the Trayvon Martin incident reflects a persistent PATTERN that itself reflects the continuing legacy of racism that permeates American society.

Here's an interesting chunk of data from an article published last September, dealing with Chicago alone. I'd assert the same pattern prevails in virtually every city in the USA.

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As of August 30, Chicago police have shot 45 people, killing 16 – 3 more than the total number shot to death in all of 2010. Eighty-seven percent of those shot by police (as of June 30) were black, according to the Independent Police Review Authority, in a city that is 36 percent African-American. No police officer has been charged with criminal wrongdoing in any of these cases, and many in the black community are furious.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/11897/black_an...

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Regarding American Romance's latest claims ... ABC News has not apologized (at least not where it can be found in the public record) for "doctoring" any video. Instead, ABC has published an "enhanced" video that purports to show what may be a gash on Zimmerman's head.

This would not alter anything in any way. My own investigation into this case suggests that Martin and Zimmerman may indeed have ended up in a scuffle -- AFTER Zimmerman stalked and pursued Trayvon, probably forcing the youth to turn and defend himself -- i.e. "stand his ground". (This is supported by Trayvon's cellphone contact with his girlfriend, seconds before he died). Only it was Zimmerman, the stalker, who had the 9mm handgun.

I feel confident this would probably emerge in any court trial. The question is, will Zimmerman ever be charged and brought to trial? The White Power contingent, and Florida state authorities, seem determined to ensure that he will not.


lare02 4 years ago

American Romance you said "It has everything to do with Trayvon not respecting authority". Who was the authoritative figure? Zimmerman was not wearing a badge...he wasn't a person in any authoritative role that Trayvon needed to respect! Zimmerman had no right to question him...that's the whole reason he called the police, right?! And Zimmerman made it about race when he made a racial epithet on the 911 tape. The question that keeps coming to mind is, when Trayvon allegedly hit Zimmerman and knocked him down, then climbed on top of him and started beating his head in the ground, did Zimmerman ever hit Trayvon back? His dad says Trayvon was holding Zimmerman's arms down w/his legs, and he was able to free his arms grab his gun and shoot Trayvon. Why didn't he punch or push him off of him? Looking at the surveillance tape, he looks pretty fit. He didn't try to get a few hits in on Trayvon? He just HAD to use his gun??? Zimmerman's brother said Trayvon covered Zimmerman's nose and mouth with one hand to keep him from screaming (that's what miraculously caused the broken nose bleeding to stop). How could Zimmerman scream if his mouth was covered?? If you are screaming WHILE getting your head bashed in the concrete wouldn't the screams sound "choppier"??? The screams stopped INSTANTLY. If it were Zimmerman screaming, wouldn't we be able to hear the "end" of the scream...a cry out of relief or something??? Instead, he calmly tells a neighbor to "call 911". If Zimmerman listened to the 911 dispatcher and stopped following Trayvon, why couldn't he meet the police at the mailboxes? If he were going back to his car to wait for police, why would they need to call him for his whereabouts? Could it be because he continued to follow Trayvon, and he didn't know where it would lead him?


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

AW but he DID NOT MAKE a racial epethit! NBC and ABC have now apoligized for editing the tapes! I heard the whole tape and Zimmerman only answered questions by the 911 dispatcher! I didn't think Zimmerman looked fit! I thought he looked fat and out of shape! Remember Trayvon was a 17 year old man! And the innocent little pic of Trayvon the media has been posting isn't the Trayvon of today! Trayvon is a big kid with tats and a gold grill in his mouth! He looks intimidating and tough!


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Don Crowson 4 years ago

The real problem in America is tht people believe the media. Why because the media enforce the viewers' personal biases. They want to believe what the media tell them. therefore, the message is a lie, but true believers think it's the truth. It's the race game and people are willingly be played like violins.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

American Romance where do you get this information from. NBC Edited to tape to make it sound like he said he was "black" at a time that he actually didn't the racial epithet is on the original tape and it is not in dispute. Sorry to burst your bubble.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

CNN supposedly had the original tape, they too came out yesterday and apoligized for editing.........sorry to burst YOUR bubble! We now have 3 major media outlets saying they edited tapes and admitting they were trying to stir up racial discourse!..........all I can say is I TOLD YOU SO!


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

No one edited what he said under is breath. They edited it to make it shorter. That's what they are apologizing for. Are you reading this stuff or just the headlines?


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

I also heard the entire tape! Under his breath? haha you can't stop, why? You do know that your the one coming across as racists right?


Shaun 4 years ago

I can't believe some of the comments I've heard on here.

Listen to the tape on wikipedia. It seems obvious to me that it's not Zimmerman screaming (for bloody murder). I'm not an expert, but two independent experts also agree it's definitely not Zimmerman screaming.

Then just think about what we know about this and see if it would even make sense that zimmerman would be screaming. Trayvon weighs ~100lbs less than zimmerman and was 11 years younger and unarmed. The voice in the tape no matter who you think it is is somebody screaming for his life. I find it hard to believe you would follow and confront a kid with a gun that you're much bigger than then have that type of fear running through you.


idratherbe 4 years ago

Eliminate the gun and eliminate needless killings! How many of these neighborhood watch "police" would have pursued Trayvon alone if they didn't have a gun? Would Mr. Zimmerman have pursued Trayvon if he didn't have the gun? I think not. We as a nation need to re-look at guns for protection. I have no problem with guns for hunting or sport, but protection?


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

I think everyone should be forced by law to carry a gun! They don't have guns in Mexico and over 3000 deaths just this year in Juarez! Imagine a radical Muslim standing up on a plane yelling out a war cry and every granny on that plane cocking a pistol!................now were talking!


Mad as Hell 4 years ago

@ American Romance it's people like you that tries to make it hard for a black man it is clearly that you are a racist. white people do drugs just as much as a black. I promise you that you would find drugs in the surburban quicker than you would the hood, white kids get suspended just like black kids.i guess because he is black he got to be a thug this shit is funny to me ignorance will always exist by the white man especially you


quickvue 4 years ago

Hmmmmmm I find it strange at the temerity of people trying to defend the actions of George Zimmerman. A just turned 17 year old lost his life. Why? If someone strange was following me I would fight to. I believe Trayvon was fighting for his life. Trayvon was standing his ground. Shame on you for condemning this kid. What was he doing wrong? Please tell me! No one saw the initial confrontation but Zimmerman supporters say Trayvon intiated the fight. Actually no.. Zimmerman started it by pursuing the teenager.. "These assholes always get away.".. I find it strange that Trayvon would come back after running from Zimmerman to jump on him. I find it strange that Zimmerman lied saiding on the 911 call that it was a black male in his late teen then in court he said he thought Trayvon was a couple of years younger than him... I find it strange that Zimmerman would be screaming for his life if he had the gun...I find it strange that Zimmerman never said he fought back and I am sure he could have defended himself. I find it strange that it is said to be Trayvon's fault because of his appearance and that he smoked marijuana and had been suspended from school, hint the reason the shooting was justified.... I find it strange that you cannot be black and be counted suspicious when walking in a gated community. I find it strange that skittles and arizona tea are life threatening items. I find it strange that Zimmerman was in fear of his life that he had to shoot the teen. I find it strange that idiots like Geraldo would make such a stupid statement... I don't care if Trayvon smoked, had premarital sex, fought at school, had a gold grill, posted wanna be gangsta pics on facebook, he was doing nothing wrong but walking back to his dad's fiancee's house. I would have whipped Zimmerman's ass to. Too bad he had the gun and that is why Trayvon was screaming.. He saw the gun...The 911 tape is disturbing..For all you Zimmerman supporters imagine that was your 17 year old son that said Dad I am going to the store to pick up some snacks. Imagine the news that your son had been shot. I believe Zimmerman was getting his wussy A#@ whipped and hence the resort to the gun.. "We don't need you to do that." How much plainer can it be? I bet Zimmerman wish he had stayed in the car.. See Zimmerman is taking this ass whipping as if to say i am the victim here. My question is this: If Zimmerman had not followed Trayvon would we be having this conversation now? Hell to the naw..... Sad! I just hope and pray justice prevailed.. I believe Zimmerman is guilty of an offense...I say guilty....


john 4 years ago

I keep trying to imagine what the situation would be like, if a white kid was killed by black guy walking in a black neighborhood. but I can't, because I don't know any white kids dumb enough to do that. I get sick of reading about white racism. when there's just as much, or more, black violence on whites. That and blacks are killing eachother every day over "respect, drugs, gangs, etc..." that's where the focus needs to be. Zimmerman should have been concerned about that dude. the gangsta clothes and probably walk, are meant to be intimidating. And to everybody saying, Zimmerman pulled his gun cause he was getting his ass kicked. No kidding, that's the whole point of carrying one. To defend yourself.


quickvue 4 years ago

Hmmmmmmmmm JOhn so if Trayvon was suspicious why did Zimmerman chase him.. Zimmerman would not have had his ass handed to him if he had not initiated the confrontation. Would love to hear all the testimony of Trayon's girlfriend in court... According to her Trayvon tried to lose Zimmerman but Zimmerman caught up with him.. Explain that! I wish Trayvon had knocked him out. Too bad Mr. Coward Zimmerman had the gun... Trayvon will never get to tell his side of the story. Remind me not to buy skittles and iced tea in Florida and visited a gated community.. Oh yea and don't forget about the hoodie.. I will have to actually work on my gangsta walk... Zimmerman had the gun... that is why he did not run.. Gun means power. Too bad Trayvon did not have something on him..maybe a skittle knife......How can you defend yourself when you are the aggressor? Zimmerman was wrong, is wrong, just plain wrong.......


john 4 years ago

@quickvue ok, I settled down a bit. maybe its just my age showing, but lets say Zimmerman was in the wrong for following him. Since when is it ok for kids (that's what most people or calling the young man) to physically confront adults? I could never dream of doing that when I was that age. If some older guy is following me, I think I'd want to handle the situation as calmly as possible, and not stoke the fire. But thats kids nowadays. No respect for their elders, from either race. If i have to admit Zimmerman was wrong, you should at least agree 2 wrongs don't make a situation right. A kid died cause he needed to be a tough guy.


quickvue 4 years ago

A kid died because Zimmerman was an over zealous mall cop wannabee. Zimmerman had no cause to pursue Trayvon. He was not a cop. "Are you following him. Yeah. We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman followed anyway. Zimmerman created this situation. Imagine a stranger following you in the nite. I would fight to. Actually, Trayvon was standing his ground. Let the trail begin.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Keep the discussion going. I love this!


quickvue 4 years ago

@John: I am going to put it like this: You were not there and you should leave it at that. If someone is following you in the dark what would you do? They are raping and kidnapping kids left and right these days. Trayvon had a right to be suspicious of Zimmerman. Notice Trayvon ran. And your boy Zimmerman chased him. you remember that? I love your contradicting and confused statement: "If some older guy is following me, I thiink I'd want to handle the situation as calmly as possible, and not stoke the fire." You know what you sound like saying something as irrational as this? I pray that you are not black or are you the black man I referred to as a "psuedo black man?" You should seriously consider what you say before you start yapping or else you will make yourself look like a FOOL.....Oh yes Mr. Calm guy, how does one act when some stranger is following you? I am all ears........


quickve 4 years ago

@Habueld and LHwritings: Like to commend you all on the insight you two provide here. I follow your reasoning in this case. Habueld you hit the nail on the head by holding Zimmerman responsible. He should have never chased that kid. I do believe Trayvon saw the gun and that is why he was screaming. I would have taken out a can of whip ass on Zimmerman to if he was following me in the dark. American Romance first and foremost is an idiot and someone I believe to be racists. Like you I am not afraid to admit that blacks should get their act together and straighten up the black on black crime. WE are not afraid to admit that blacks are wrong if they commit heinous crimes. WE can put things into prespective. I agree I do not care if Trayvon smoked pot, wore baggy pants, blah blah, it is irrevelant to what he was doing that nite.. The Zimmermanites (followers of Zimmerman) have yet to tell me what crime Trayvon was committing that nite. And you right Zimmerman is a liar. Joe Oliver is a liar, Zimmmerman's dad and brother are liars, Frank Taaffe is a liar, O'Mara is a liar, the Sanford police dept. are liars. Liars, Liars pants on fire. Zimmmerman lied about Trayvon's age in court. In court he said he thought Trayvon was a little younger than him. On the 911 tape he said he was in his late teens. He even said "I do not know where the kid is." Zimmerman was still looking for Trayvon. And notice these obvious idiots on here cannot refute the conversation Trayon had with his Girlfriend. Notice they do not even mention that. The phone conversation proves Zimmmerman was still pursuing Trayvon. Trayon said he thought he had lost Zimmerman and now he is behind him again. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm and another thing that is not right here. Where was Zimmerman's truck when Trayvon was shot? And here is another point i would like to make. Originally Zimmerman said he would meet the PO PO at the mailboxes but then he declined and said just have them call him and he will tell them where he is .. Sounds fishy to me. zimmmerman was still looking for Trayvon..... "These assholes alwasy get away"... I just hope Zimmerman the biggest A-hole does not get away. God bless you Habueld and LHwritings. This tragedy saddens me and my heart is heavy.. May Justice PREVail.....


quickvue 4 years ago

Mr. Perrya: May I ask you a question? Do you think it took Zimmerman 90 seconds to lie to the court? Since that appears to be your favorite line and Mr. AmericanRomance you need to go sit down somewhere with your silly and racist remarks. This is getting interesting......


shelly60 3 years ago

Quicker13 what this personsaid is the whose case!


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Don Crowson 3 years ago

From all the court reports, I would think that the prosecution has failed to prove its case. Two mothers say the voice they hear is their son's calling for help. Whom do you believe and why? Obviously it ise your race that determines your answer.

The media are obviously liars. Recall how James Holmes was a menber of theTEA party? Isn''t the first time that has happened. We try the cases in the media and add racial bias. God help us. Too many families teach hatred around the dinner table.

Shame on people using Chicago as an example of race hatred. When 79 percent of the 8th graders can't read, what would you expect them to do. If they can't get jobs, they turn to a llife of crime. Time to give up this racist hatred and start thinking to solve the real problems of our time./


dbcooper 3 years ago

Of course, the small detail that the author overlooks is that the screams were very likley those of zimmerman. Even martins family denied it was him until sharpton advised them to change their minds.


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habueld 3 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

I wish people would stop invoking Al Sharpton when it comes to issues involving black people. They don't represent me. However, even before Sharpton contacted the Martin's Sybrina Fulton and her son identified the voice as Trayvon's. what the commenter is missing is that George Zimmerman shot an unarmed kid minding his own business.


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Don Crowson 3 years ago

He shotan unarmed kid who may have been trhying tokill him. His broken nose and bleeding head. That proves tht Zimmerman had a reason to shoot an unarmed man. Shooting an unarmed man who is doing nothing to you ismurder. shooting an unarmed man who is tryhingto killyou isself defense. Race has nothing to do with the facts.


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habueld 3 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Trayvon had every right to defend himself, also. Zimmerman, on the other hand, was not in any way justified in following him. Stand your ground goes both ways. This kid ran from Zimmerman. He tried to avoid him and Zimmerman continued to pursue him. Without George Zimmerman, this would not have happened.


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CMerritt 3 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

The evidence says that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Evidence shows wounds to Z's nose and back of head. THAT tells me, that Martin WAS indeed being the aggressor.

With that said, I think the whole thing SUCKS. Yes, if Zim would have "let it go" ... Trayvon would be alive today. Yet, Trayvon should NOT have attacked. He should have continued to go home.

I hate the he is dead, and I hate that Z is going to live with this over his head for the rest of his life....it is ruined.

Sad story.


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CMerritt 3 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

Okay, just to play devils advocate...

From Zims point of view, there had been SEVERAL breakins in the neighborhood. He has been asked by the neighborhood to patrol the neighborhood. He did. He saw someone with a hood on walking close to houses, in the rain. He followed to get closer and call the cops. The cops asked him to wait on them to get there...but first they asked him the location.....He got out to look and see where he was, and get the street address.........by this time T, was miffed at him, and even referred to him as a crazy cracker to his girl friend on the phone...they exchanged words, and T threw the first punch and got on top of him and banged his head on the ground.

Z, felt his life was endangered and shot.

That is what the evidence suggests what happened.

Z, put himself in that situation as did T. They BOTH made poor choices.

as a result, a 17 year old kid is dead. Z, has blood on his hands forever. I bet a million dollars, if he could do it all over, he would. I think he will be punished mentally for the rest of his life. The evidence does NOT support 2nd degree murder, and manslaughters if very iffy.

There are cases like this that happened ALL the time, this is news, because of our POTUS intervening when he had no business doing so. He brought national attention on this and threw gas on a fire, when he said that "t could have been his son"...the media made this a racial thing, by claiming Z was a "white Hispanic" and showing pictures of T as a young innocent looking 13 year old........not the tattooed, pot smoking, bird flipping kid that he they could have portrayed. NBC even tampered with the audio to make Z sound racist. They later apologized and fired people over it.

The whole thing sucks and the bottom line is a kid died, and another guy has to live with his decision.

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