Living with our Moslems in Britain

Customs such as dress lead to seperation and fear

Group of Saudi women.  Full body coverup not seen so often in Britain and this look is feared by many
Group of Saudi women. Full body coverup not seen so often in Britain and this look is feared by many

Multiculturalism and it's tensions

.Imagine my surprise when I returned to England and found it had been moved a couple of thousand miles south and now perched on the edge of the Sahara!

Mexico had been the home of choice for many years, before that, the USA and Australia. When I left the UK is was inhabited by about 40 million morose white men waiting to go on strike.

It hadn’t changed in most respects when I returned in 2003, except the faces in the job centers, post offices and chippies were now…well, not jet black, but distinctly dark. The bankers remained predominately white…I say no more.

Britain had become, -O joy - multicultural, and you put up or shut up; not PC to complain. The racist plod (cops) would ‘ave yer in a minute (while the crooks look on helpless with mirth).

But in the pubs - with a covert look around - and in the family home they were called “Sand Niggers,” “Rag-Heads,” “Camel Jockeys;” and all the rest; we, the Brits, didn’t mind the West Indians and African black people so much and we don’t have all the words you can find in the ‘States to denigrate them.

Unhappily for all concerned, most terrorist attacks can be traced to Moslem countries, along with assists from deranged idiots from other lands. The fact that 99% of resident Moslems in Britain are not terrorists and do not support them, goes unnoticed.

Rather like ordinary people who live in places dominated by El Qaeda and the Taliban, Moslems in Britain are frightened to condemn too publicly their radicalized fellows. So we get the impression sometimes we are living with a hostile race who would do us down in a second.

It’s not ideal. We are all living in caves in the deep recesses of our minds; we are controlled by thoughts of claw and fang and mastodon thigh-bone club that kept wanderers from the home cave in 10,000 BC - or earlier. We can and do smother racism, but we will never eliminate it completely for several more generations, until the differences of color, culture and language have disappeared, melded into one entity - maybe the mocha colored British of 2200, or so,

If only we would try to get to know these implants better. They have a lot to teach us, and I can understand - though not agree with - the desire of some to see Sharia Law in Europe.

Go into the typical Moslem home, like the one of my friends, Shoaib and Nasima own, (he’s from Pakistan, she from Bangladesh).

The place smells of curry! Ok, that’s a given in an Asian home. But the 15 and 12 year-old girls are home studying and watching TV with the family. Every day. They’re not running the streets, with their ears and heads stuck into mobile phones or I-pods, much less drinking, smoking and piercing their bodies with tattoos and metal studs. They are quiet, lovely and intelligent. Their use of our language (the kids) is cultured and melodious. The sound of the awful Essex Cockney soon fade…wow, they even pronounce the “t” in words. One or the other offers ME tea as soon as I arrive.

There is a harmony I find in few British homes. Sorry, my countrymen, it is too true.

How many Moslems do you see drunk on the streets, being hustled into police wagons, an ugly fag hanging stupidly from slack mouths, the very epitome of desperation and degeneration? Especially as at least half are young girls. Sure, there are some, (but never women), but can you wonder how the majority of these immigrants must judge the British when they see to what level we have descended in 2012?

“It’s our country, mate, if you doan’ like it, piss off home!” That is the mantra of stupidity in Britain. The point is, for nearly all, Britain IS their home: the are legal immigrants or born here and are as British as you and I. And why should they emulate a race they see as morally bankrupt?

Should we not look into their lives and, in many cases, emulate them?

Terrorism is another thing entirely; their races are damned with this tar-brush, although most are as innocent as the host peoples. But the way to fight this is not with armies marching all over their lands and dropping bombs on all and sundry. With far simpler weapons, sure, but this is where the problem began in the Middle Ages with the Crusades.

We will stand a far better chance of removing the hatred from Moslem hearts and minds if we attempt a rapprochement with out new citizens. There was an awful title in use among many hate-filled white citizens in North America, mainly in the South. It was “Nigger Lover,” and acid fills my mouth as I write this.

We don’t have the equivalent expression in Britain for white supporters of our African, West Indian, or Moslem people. Thank goodness. But if we did, you could accurately call me one…maybe Paris, Texas, won’t welcome me any more! (I can’t wait to see the comments!)





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Sonya L Morley 4 years ago from Edinburgh

Isn't it odd that although we are all human and have human bodies and needs, for some reason we think we are different and separate?!


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Well...yes, Sonia, but what we perceive to be real, is real until we can get a better perspective. We do, indeed, have the same needs, etc., yet our cultural differences superficially seperate us. Look how the Aztecs had sacrifices, for example, which we view as the epitome of barbarism.

Look how nature, red in tooth and claw, was how early man conducted his affairs.

Customs and folk wisdom changes.

It is a great pity we had the Tower of Babel in the first place! Ha!

Bob


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Excellent hub, I truly hope you don't see hatred and vitriol in the comments though I know several hubbers who would deliver it. As for me voted up, awesome and interesting if we could all be as open minded as you we would without a doubt have a better world.


anonymous 4 years ago

Great article Bob. I totally agree with you, I remember I had a few Muslim friends in college, and I was always very impressed with the sense of discipline and self control they used to show during their Ramadan fast. There's definitely a lesson for us all there. I find myself cringing whenever I look at many English men and women today, particularly the teenagers.

I remember having dinner at a friends house (they were Indians) and I sampled various curries, which were quite tasty. Even better, the conversation was among the most intelligent and stimulating I've ever heard. We spent the evening talking about British and Indian history, among other things. Their command of English was outstanding, considering it wasn't even their first language.

I agree with Sonya, we should spend more time focusing on the things we have in common, rather than getting hung up on superficial differences.


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JKenny 4 years ago from Birmingham, England

Sorry Bob, that last anonymous comment was actually from me. Don't know why it came up like that?


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Josak. That is exactly what I anticipate, but we have a "deny" button.

Bob


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

JKenny. Thanks for rewarding comment on your own experiences with Asians.

I hope the comments all stay positive like yours.

Bob


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Adsenseonline 4 years ago

Very frustrating Bob. We need to take the same stance as France.I can never understand how this can be a sensitive subject, it our land i have a 600 year family history in England. Think of all the wars our ancestors have had to fight for queen king and country for all our futures. Why now do the do gooders in parliament just to hand it all over to strangers, and turn a blind eye to its own people?


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

*sigh*


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INFJay 4 years ago from Santa Rosa, California

Excellent job speaking out and happy to know there are still wise men amongst us around the globe. Don't worry about Texas as you will always be welcomed in California, well at least at my home (and you will be offered both tea and coffee).


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moonfroth 4 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

A thoughtful Hub that will challenge the rednecks--if any read these kinds of Hubs! About 30 years ago, Canada made a major commitment to multiculturalism; we are now, I think, proportionate topopulation, the most multicultural country in the world. Our pop. is 34 million, and that includes i million muslims--250,000 in Toronto alone. Vancouver, on the west coast, also has a heavy concentration of Muslims. Unlike the States (the "melting pot", we encourage ethnic groups to RETAIN their cultural identtie, and I think the style and tone and diversity of out lives have been enriched by their presence. Never miind practical issues like growth. Currently, Muslims produce 2.6 children per woman, other ethnic groups in Canada only 1.4. And I'm pretty sure Canada-born Caucasian females would profuce only about .5 of a child each (which is VERY tricky, I might add. 99% of Muslims in Canada do nothng but enrich our lives.


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John Holden 4 years ago

I was born in Manchester in the first half of the 20th century when everything was grey, the people, the places, everything. I've watched it blossom like some exotic flower with people of many races coming to call it home. A few don't integrate and a few of the natives don't want them to.

But mostly they enrich our lives. I can eat the food of countless countries, never having to travel more than a short bus ride.

But wait, the kids! I was walking home from the shop one evening, half a dozen Muslim lads were being silly as all lads will be, pushing and shoving each other, shouting and screaming. As I passed them one pushed another into me and set me flying into the road. Quick as a flash several pairs of hands grabbed me and pulled me back and the apologies were so profuse as to be almost embarrassing.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if they had been white they would have laughed as I was run over!

Oh, and Adsense, you say that you can trace your family history back 600 years, the only people who manage that are generally either the aristocracy or criminals, the ordinary man just doesn't leave a trail.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Being that the United States is almost 100% immigrants from every point of the globe, I can see the problem AND the solution.

Native Americans were wiped out by immigrants. There are only about 3-5% of the population left.

Immigration is bad. Overpopulation is bad. I don't understand why people can't stay in the country they were born in and make it better their own selves.

I would love to practice multiculturalism by VISITING all the countries in the world. I don't understand what amounts to an invasion of your or my countries.

You know I have lived in Mexico, but only for 6 months at a time. My home is Texas and I was born here and will die here. I don't have any clue as to why I would want to move to another country and expect them to cater to my lifestyle. It's just crazy.

Texas has been overrun with every nationality on the planet. As long as they adapt to OUR way of doing things, I don't mind if they SHARE their culture. But don't expect us to change to accommodate you.

While in Rome, do as the Romans do. PLEASE!


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

I have read ALL your wonderful comments, both pro and con. I am sorry I am snowed under with mail this weekend and can't answer all individually as I normally do.

Bob


Chris Hugh 4 years ago

I don't understand why Americans are expected to respect every culture but our own. It's considered sophisticated for us to put down our own culture and we don't expect others to show us consideration. If I visited another country, I would emulate their form of dress. I would appreciate the same consideration. BTW, I understand that people are free to do whatever they want. That's freedom. I'm into it. I'm free to say that Halloween comes but once a year. That's freedom too.


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pramodgokhale 4 years ago from Pune( India)

Multiculturalism should not be a sensitive issue, but assimilation to the country and community where migrant migrates,it is a simple action and one who acts then there won't be clashes or differences.After getting nationality of a country where immigrant settles then he/she must be faithful and sacrifice to new homeland by disconnecting the original land where he/she was born.


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

This may be the ideal, pramodgokhale, but. being human, some of us fall short and cling to our native culture and its peoples.

We nee to live and let live; agree that we are all individuals who deserve fair, compassionate treatment.

Thanks for visit.

Bob


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi Chris Hugh. WE are expected to respect all cultures, including our own. North Americans are born with such a wonderful country; your immigrants have added so much to your culture. Assimilation is difficult and requires compassion and tact by all

Bob


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Hi Bob, you know I saw a Muslim woman last year dressed head to toe with a wool coat over it all. Her chaperone was with her and she was buying groceries. Problem was, it was 110 degrees that day.

If I moved to Iran, I would be expected, even legally required to dress from head to toe covered.

So yes, I find this kind of behavior difficult to understand. Perhaps these orthodox religious nuts should migrate to Canada instead of the hottest state in the U.S. (not counting Death Valley)


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi Star: Yes, ridiculous and demanded by the men

Bob


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John Holden 4 years ago

Austinstar, and you think that people who come from hot places don't know how to dress for the heat? You thing they should expose their bodies to skin cancer and other risks?


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

No, I think they should protect themselves from heat exhaustion and stroke.

Sun block can protect you from skin cancer, or better yet, don't go out during the most intense sunshine of the day.

A full length wool coat? Seriously?


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Religious expectations make people do dumb things (seriously a life without bacon?) but that has nothing to do with whether immigration is good or bad, people are free to practice their own religion as they wish and while I don't understand why people choose to wear a burka or choose to get up early on Sunday, my favorite sleep in day it certainly does not negatively affect my life that they do.

Immigration is not bad it is in fact for many countries essential, people leave their countries for many reasons I emigrated to the USA from Argentina because our government killed people with my political beliefs, many people move because they are seeking a better life, just like the English settlers coming to America, you are blessed with a stable safe country, it has not been party to invasion civil war or oppression in your lifetime if it ever is perhaps you will understand. People do attempt to fix their own countries I risked my life trying to change mine but sometimes we can't fix war, dictatorship or poverty and people have to leave particularly where there are children involved. Emigrating is not invading and as for changing their culture and mannerisms firstly I don't see how it is any of your concern how someone else lives and secondly some people are not capable of or comfortable with just suddenly changing their culture, nor should they be, it may well be worth preserving.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

You, know, you should tell all that to the Native Americans that have been destroyed by immigration. They were caring for this country just fine until immigration began in this country.

If only they had peacefully assimilated rather than by just taking over everything and spreading diseases - on purpose in a lot of cases, then perhaps I would have a bit more respect for immigrants.

Yes, I was fortunate to be born in a stable country, but if I had to immigrate to another country, I would become one with their customs and way of life, not expect them to accept my "odd" ways.


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

What was done to the American Indians has no relevance nor was it really immigration but colonization and extermination I am yet to see a single immigrant paying ten dollars per American head brought to him.

Why would you change your culture entirely, if you moved to say Mexico would you change the way you dress? Would you convert to catholisism (assuming you aren't already Catholic)would you stop enjoying the same foods that you enjoy here? What is the problem with people being different? do you want everyone to be uniform? that sounds really dull to me.


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John Holden 4 years ago

But Austinstar, you are an immigrant, second third forth or fifth generation, but an immigrant no less.

Tell me, when you lived in Mexico did you totally embrace Mexican culture, dress and everything else Mexican or did you hold on to some of your old ways?


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi guys: Go on, battle it out on my hub, I'm only chopped liver!

We should just learn to love in my book it makes life more easy for both parties.

Bob


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Sorry for using your hub as a forum diogenes, at least we are raising your hub score, could not agree more with the last sentence.

Just say the word and I will cease and desist.


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QudsiaP1 4 years ago

Bob most people are set in their ways and despise an introduction to a new element because that gives way to comparison and therefore choice.

Most people live in fear; fear of the unknown; fear of whatever they have heard or seen.

My question to everyone is; when everyone is so clearly defined by religion/race/belief, then why do we name our children?

Instead of Jacob, Nelson, Aslam, Ying Chin, John, etc

they should all be called 'white' 'black' 'brown' 'yellow' 'red' 'green' (can't forget them aliens, I bet they are American though :P)


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Josak. Course not. I was kidding, you're more than welcome

Qudsia So true howya going stranger?

Bb


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moonfroth 4 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

One of my fantasies--projecting from Bob's article and various posts above and John Lennon's famous song--is that one day we'll sustain the richness of our cultural identifiers, but regard ourselves politically as Citizens of the World, including a sense of responsibility and care for the well-being of each other, regardless of our colour, religion, or funny habits.

Yes, yes, I know--Clark, stop smokin' that shit and git yer feet back into the REAL world. . . . . .


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

True, I am a Descendant of immigrants (not an immigrant myself).

Yes, I did adapt to the customs and ways of Mexico when I lived there. I am even one of those rare bilingual Americans.

No, I did not adopt Catholocism, I retain my Native American beliefs. I do believe in freedom of religion and Mexico does not force people to become Catholics.

I'm not saying that immigrants should ADOPT the customs and ways of the new country. But they should ADAPT to the culture.

I would no sooner have worn shorts and a T-shirt in Riyadh than that lady should have worn a full length wool coat in the middle of a Texas summer. Sheesh, At least choose linen!

But the truth remains that immigration is a form of invasion. It's insidious and dangerous for the host country no matter which country it is. Sure, someday we will all be world citizens, but a lot will be lost in the process.


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Star. If that's true, why has the US repeatedy called out for immigrants when it suited them? The Irish, Italians, Mexicans (on a temporary basis at least). You want them when it suits, you want to deny them when it doesn't?

And the USA. more than any other nation except Oz, Canada and NZ, is a country of emmigrants.

Bob


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Thar belief on immigration is preposterous and that clothing is a part of Muslim religious observance did you give up your religious observance, obviously not nor should you and neither should they, it is part of their freedom of religion, as for it being practical no it's not but many religions require sacrifice and discomfort in various ways, from fasting to wearing certain clothing.

Not to mention that immigrants have enriched this country enormously from music to the arts to industry hell even the fact that I can walk down main street and have the option to eat foods from every corner of the world is great, it would be a duller and sadder place indeed without immigration.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Obviously you guys are reading only the parts of my comments that suit you.

No minds will be changed here. Attitudes cannot be changed, only behaviors can be changed.

If you want to immigrate to a country that practices nudity for all, then don't go there and wear clothes. This is my point and my only point.


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moonfroth 4 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

@austinstar

Now, austin, I did indeed read ALL of your post but if I went to a country where everyone went naked, I would most definitely look at only SOME of the people. I mean, imagine Bob without clothes. The mind reels. . . .


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Thanks for painting THAT picture in my mind! LOL, I guess I deserved it.

And anyway, where would he put his wallet?


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John Holden 4 years ago

Austin, although western men insist that their women walk around the streets half naked, it isn't obligatory and because some men insist on their women preserving their modesty, that isn't to be condemned.

Much as I enjoy the sight of semi naked women, there is nothing worse than a woman who is not comfortable in her state of semi nudity.


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Many Muslim women feel they are empowered by wearing the veil one because hey are following their faith and two because it means they do not feel sexualised, many women do not like to be ogled, ultimately this country protects the rights of people to follow their religion and that is what they are doing, you would not change your faith if you moved elsewhere and neither should they.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Again - missing the point here - I'm not against women covering themselves head to toe for whatever reason. I'm saying that women should NOT wear clothes that are dangerous to their health!

Muslim women in Texas should wear light fabrics that breathe to cover themselves. Full length WOOL coats are dangerous in the Texas heat and humidity.


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John Holden 4 years ago

Have you ever looked at what Arabs in deserts wear?

The thawb is commonly made from wool.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Yes, but it is a flowing garment that allows air circulation. Full length wool coats do not, they are designed to protect a person from the COLD, not the heat.


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Jane Bovary 4 years ago from The Fatal Shore

"Austin, although western men insist that their women walk around the streets half naked, it isn't obligatory and because some men insist on their women preserving their modesty, that isn't to be condemned." - John Holden

What? It's not okay for men to 'insist' on anything to do with women's dress. Let's not forget in some parts of the world women have no choice about wearing the hijab - it's an insult to those women to claim that 'men's insistence on modesty' isn't to be condemned'.

if women want to wear veils , that's their business but let's not eulogise it as something 'superior' .


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Jane Bovary 4 years ago from The Fatal Shore

"I can understand - though not agree with - the desire of some to see Sharia Law in Europe."

I can't. Muslim immigrants expect certain rights and freedoms in the non-Muslim countries they emigrate too - freedom to practice their religion, wear what they want etc., as they should, no problem there. Yet Sharia law would negate all that for everyone else.


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John Holden 4 years ago

Jane, of course it isn't all right for men to insist on anything, that was my whole point. Western women are as much pressured into wearing clothes to please men as eastern women are and neither is right.

As you say, it is a woman's business to wear what they feel comfortable in and nobody should be able to tell them differently.

I don't see how you work Sharia law into this debate. I have no problem with Sharia law as long as it continues to only be binding on those wishing to be bound by it, just as Beth Din has been in force in this country for many years, but only binding on those who wish to be bound by it.


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John Holden 4 years ago

Austin, actually coats aren't designed to protect from the cold, they are designed to preserve body temperature. A thick coat that will keep out excessive cold will also keep out excessive heat.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 4 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

Very good. I'm reminded of the few that hate the Mexicans here along the Southern US border states...but they're sometimes thought to be another form of terrorist...the cartels.


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Jed Fisher 4 years ago from Oklahoma

So immigarants decide to move into the cities of a densely populated country and set up thier own little enclave, so they can live as though they were still in their nation of birth. Just waiting to see the day when a large enclave of working-class English are free to settle in Saudi Arabia, free and unfettered, allowed to live their lives in accordance with English culture, practice their English religion, protected by the Saudi government.


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Don't mind me, guys, as long as you're having fun!

Bob


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hey! Moonfroth...I resemble that remark!!

Bob


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John Holden 4 years ago

So Jed, you think we should be heavy and oppressive too do you!


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

So what you are saying Jed is we should be more like Saudi Arabia? Many if not most countries have suburbs and sections which are dominated by certain ethnic groups, Chinese, Italian, Greek, Cuban if you go to Mexico you will find communities of expats and even more so in Costa Rica, no one is harmed by that and it brings more color and variety to the city, I love that I can walk to the Chinese quarter for meals, it's all about the freedom to live as you wish so long as you do not harm others I don't understand why people have a problem with that. If say tomorrow I decided to live like a Japanese man, changed my house and eating habits etc. would you have a problem with that? If the answer is no then this is obviously a racial issue not a cultural one.


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Jane Bovary 4 years ago from The Fatal Shore

It's only natural that people landing in a strange country would form enclaves, where they can associate with others who appreciate and understand their own or similar cultural practices but that doesn't mean it's not sometimes problematic, especially if the enclaves keep getting bigger and when things are compounded by unemployment etc. Cultural conflicts can and do erupt.

I don't know how you fix these problems. You can't force people to abandon their cultures and assimilate but you can offer encouragements which help to shrink the divisions - free language lessons, help with services and finding employment and so on. Being NICE...and I do agree that different cultural influences can also be beneficial to a society.

John, I was responding to Diogenes comments in the hub, when he said he could understand (but not agree with) those who were calling for Sharia Law in Europe. (sorry, I should have put his name at the end of the quote).


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John Holden 4 years ago

Whoops Jane, I'm super fast at grabbing the wrong end of the stick!

I'll re-aim my comment at the author then:)


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samadaslam 4 years ago

Great Hub, I just loved reading it. After long I read a complete hub though I don't read such hubs and articles. But amazing that there are still many people in the world who still have open eyes and mind. I have no words to admire you Bob. Just a small group of people who is not even Muslim made our names bad enough that we are degraded everywhere in the world. We are stopped at every entrance just because we are Muslim. We are forced to sit hours and hours just because I have Khan in my sur name. Why this is so? Thanks Bob thanks for this hub to show me some light.


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moonfroth 4 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

Samad's comment is right on. Thanks Bob. You have an open, curious, and loving mind. Your body. . .not so sure about that. If in the future we get together for a drink in Mexico, I'm going to INSIST that you wear clothes.


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Vegas Elias 4 years ago from Mumbai

I read your hub for the second time today. You have said too many things in one go. For me it is a bit difficult to understanding whether you are commenting, criticizing or just reporting what you saw.

But there is something which I share with you; that is the right of every community to make rules for the community. I feel human rights is alright as long as it does not intrude into the rights of any other community. I feel Britains, French or for that matter the Americans and the Indians should as a nation have the right to enforce laws for the safety of it's citizens. Moving around with faces covered should not be allowed. In any case when people visit a foreign country they visit it for their own benefit and not to help that country. So they should be willing to follow the rules of the country they visit as long as those rules do not intrude in their privacy.

I feel you could have been a bit bolder in expression. After all you have a right to speak for your country and your community.


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Good points, Vegas, thanks for visit and comments

Bob


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LaThing 4 years ago from From a World Within, USA

This is a wonderful hub and such interesting comments. I am with you Bob.... And I also think that not all the Muslims stick to their dress code. I have see lot of them adapting the American culture, and ways. I am sure you have that in Britian too.... And even if they don't, as long as they are law abiding citizen then who cares what they wear!


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editorsupremo 4 years ago from London, England

Well, Diogenes you have certainly stirred up a debate about living with muslims! I live in England and have noticed the massive increase in muslims living here. When I was a girl going to school there was only 1 muslim in the school and I remember everyone being fascinated by her. Nowadays my children go to school, college and uni with many muslims and think nothing of it. They are now a part of the British culture. The only common theme to muslims in my youth and today is that the communities are still separated from other communities outside of work and education.

I totally agree with you in relation to the muslims not wanting to emulate white british culture. Let me give you an example of how white british culture is seen, not only by muslims but by other minorities; last week I celebrated my daughter's 21st birthday and in the excitement one of her friend's said 'I'm going to get white girl wasted tonight', in other words she was going to drink to the point where she is so drunk she doesn't know what she is doing, will be rolling over the pavement, spewing up her guts. That's the picture of white girls, always drunk, passed out on the pavement in a drunken stupor. Not a particularly good role model to emulate.

Excellent hub though, voted up!


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BobbiRant 4 years ago from New York

Excellent hub about a touchy subject these days. It seems so easy to hate a faceless enemy but when we get to know our neighbors, they usually seem less intimidating than we conjure up in our vivid imaginations. The reason we never see news items about the daily 'reality' of war anymore, because it helps many to hate those faceless enemies. Funny thing, most of us want the same things: nice neighborhoods free of crime and violence, safe places to raise our kids and a nice home to live in. We just all forget that sometimes. Here in America, most All of us were 'outsiders' at one time or another, or at least our ancestors were. Like this hub a lot.


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Rebecca2904 4 years ago

I completely agree with you that we should be more accepting of other cultures in Britain. I live abroad and see such examples of multiculturalism every day, it's such a shame that we can't emulate it. An example of this is the recent Germany vs. Italy game in the Europe championship. I live in Germany in a town with quite a large Italian population. Germany lost, and the Italians were quite wildly (happily, not violently) celebrating their victory and the Germans never even batted an eyelid, in fact despite being sad that they lost, many were celebrating Italy's victory with them. I hate to think what would have happened if that had been in Britain.

I don't want to tar all British people with the same brush though. I was talking with a Scottish friend the other day and he said that Scotland is full of 'mostly regular people and a few psychos.' I think that's the same in England too. I think most of us are quite civilised, we know what books are, we don't think it's acceptable to eat fast food everyday, and we will quite happily invite multiculturalism into our lives.

As for the people who aren't willing to embrace other cultures... I have to ask myself whether it's a failure in the education system. I remember one night walking home from the university library, and I got stopped by a couple of teenagers who asked me to go into Co-op and buy them some alcohol. I refused, obviously, and when I did they called me a nigger. (Sorry! I know it's a horrible word and I hate typing it, but I think it gets my point across.) Even ignoring the horrid implications of the word, I had to ask myself whether the boys even understood what they were saying. Since I'm so pale that I pretty much glow in the dark, did they think it was a word you could just call someone who was annoying you? Is racism so common place in our society that we don't even understand what we're saying anymore? Unfortunately, I don't know what the cause of it is, I just know that it makes me really, really sad.


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John Holden 4 years ago

That just reminded me of some friends who were in Germany when we won the world cup. They were terrified at first thinking the Germans would react in the same way that their British counterparts would have done.

Instead they were feted and applauded everywhere they went, much to their surprise.


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

The British make such a song and dance about assimilation of other cultures and their lack of prejudice but when the crunch comes, we are one of the worst countries in living up to our much touted ideals.

Bob


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

My dear commentators: both pro and con my ideas. It was wonderful to receive all your valued comments and to see such life added to an article like this. It just shows how divisive this subject can be.

I have given up adding my ten cents worth, but i still read all your comments with delight.

Bob


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Nick Hanlon 4 years ago from Chiang Mai

Why respect people who don't respect you?Pretty simple I would have thought.

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