Muslims Building Mosque As Symbol for Conquered Enemy?

“Let me be clear…” I heard this myself out of the President’s own mouth. He was speaking about his opinion regarding the building of the Mosque near – or I should say, essentially on, ground zero.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703382304575431862521820780.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

He had to back track a day later regarding his remarks because he wasn’t actually “clear.” Only to muddy the waters, with more vague, talking points that made essentially no sense and left us no clearer than we were when he first made the remarks.

Let’s discuss what was essentially the President’s oh so vague point. That people of any religion have a right to build a place of worship.

To which I would have to say, “Ah…DUH.”

Not really the point Mr. President.

Imam Feisal is protected for no doubt some devious reason by the left. This administration has not only protected him, it has hired him! Therefore - as is typical of the Chicago-style way of running things - nothing is factually known of this Imam’s background. If it wasn’t for Fox News, we’d know nothing at all.

We do know he said that the United States is responsible for what happened on 9/11. That I heard him say with his own lips and my own ears.

There are aproximately 3,537,441 square miles to our great United States http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/area.shtml

According to one source: “…there are 1,209 mosques in America, well over half founded in the last 20 years.”

http://www.garamchai.com/mosques.htm

This isn’t a matter of wanting to suppress the rights of Muslims to build a place of worship. This is a matter of why would anyone of the Muslim faith want to build a Mosque at the sight of Ground Zero?

Many theories abound, the most likely theory is that this is what Muslims like to do - build a monument as it were, to their conquests. Islam is notorious for building Mosques in places they have conquered. Lord knows with the terror attacks of 9/11 and the following other terror attacks against our country again with the election of a Democrat controlled House and Senate and then a Democrat President, we've been terrorized. There can be no doubt, many of us are truly terrorized by this current administration. The terrorists have definitely succeeded in terrorizing this country. "They" being "the enemy." Or to use a Muslim's favorite term, "The Great Satans" of the world. They may even succeed in destroying this country completely, if we let them. Remember November and 2012!

Also remember, the economy was chugging right along until the Democrats took control of the House and Senate. http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/02/do-math-investors-graph.html

http://hubpages.com/hub/Mr-Obama-and-the-Blame-Game

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703426004575338832391393128.html?KEYWORDS=Democrats+took+control+economy+bad

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574459763052141456.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703999304575398843526638082.html?KEYWORDS=largest+tax+increase+in+history

Our unemployment wasn’t even close to double digits under George W. Bush but was headed towards disaster under the power of the Democrats once they lied their way into power.

Now, with President Obama as President, the unemployment is close to double digits, some polls say the true numbers are actually in the double digits. The future looks even more bleak if that’s possible.

The deficit is tripled in less than a year with no end in sight, and our taxes, as of January 1, 2011 will increase dramatically for every single person who pays taxes. In fact, this will be the biggest tax hike in history slated to begin the first of the year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-01-03/democrats-ride-into-sunset-your-wallet-in-hand-kevin-hassett.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703977004575393882112674598.html?KEYWORDS=taxes+increase+January+1

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383233009284878.html?KEYWORDS=largest+tax+increase+in+history

But I digress.

What we do know about this building of a Mosque in this particular place is, the very least, it is absolutely not appropriate. If they wanted it to be a “statement of all-faiths” or a "Cultural Center" or a "coming together," then why not build a religious center where Jews, Christians and Muslims can all enter in together to worship as they see fit?

If there were honestly altruistic reasoning behind this idea, why not simply donate, in the name of Allah, to various worthy 9/11 organizations? Why not do this, giving thanks to Allah for His provision, and making a statement in a sense, that the people behind this Mosque-building idea really don’t believe in the terror and destruction of those who brought down the Twin Towers?

They won’t, because they are making an entirely different statement altogether.

I suggest they wish to say, "Divide and conquer." And they're doing it using our own hopelessly misguided lawmakers and worst (ever) President in the history of our country.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/the_ground_zero_mosque_and_con.html

Mr. President, your statements made absolutely no sense even given your explanation the next day. Building a Mosque near ground zero with millions and millions of square feet potentially available elsewhere in this vast U.S. makes equally zero sense.

If this was truly about a statement of us all coming together, tell me – how many Temples and Christian Churches are built on Saudi Arabian land or for that matter, any other Muslim land?

Rhetorical.

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Tom Whitworth 6 years ago from Moundsville, WV

Carol,

I think you hit this out of the park between the Hate America First left and the Jihadist we have troubles right here in River City!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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SheriSapp 6 years ago from West Virginia

Great work Carol, but we all know those politically correct morons can see no further than the end of their guilt-ridden noses. I must say you are a bigger person than I because I always make a conscious choice to NOT capitalize the word muslim, you do so you are better then me!! Good lady!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

No, actually my point niall.tubbs was what I said it was - building a Mosque on ground zero is inappropriate at BEST. There is no reason to build it there when - as was clearly stated in this Hub - there are millions and millions of other square feet where they could build. One of the reasons the IMAM said that the Mosque should be built there was to show "Unity" of all faiths. I didn't make that part clear. So then my other point would be especially valid here - if that's the case, how many are built as such on Muslim lands?

As to your other point about my digression - you didn't make any sense so I can't really comment. Sorry.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thanks Tom!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

No, not better, but I just do that with proper names - of course understanding your point Sheri. Even with cults, I use the proper form - and the Muslim religion is a cult - no doubt. Thanks, as always for your comments! Carol


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breakfastpop 6 years ago

Fantastic article, Carol. If this Imam truly wanted to "build bridges" he would respect the feelings of the families of the victims, the people of New York and the rest of the nation and put this mosque someplace else. His refusal to do so, speaks volumes about his real intentions.


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stellarwoman79 6 years ago from Dallas

I'm actually quite disgusted with how far we're going to make muslims happy. There is a huge problem in our society when you can't discharge a muslim from the US Army which we saw with Major Hassan and the shootings at Fort Hood. He was running around in our army preaching about how our wars are destroying muslims and blah blah blah. This article is just another example of how this concept of "religious freedom" has been taken way too far.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Excellent point stellarwoman. I actually had forgotten all about that. I do think though that it is the current administration that has gone over the deep end over this. Remember Eric Holder couldn't call a terrorist a terrorist? This administration is just plumb NUTS. Thanks for your comments!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

BTW VERY well said Pop - that's exactly what I was going for in this Hub! Thanks for clarifying for me! Love, c


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Mrs.King 6 years ago from Florida

love the hub


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thanks Mrs. King!


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sheila b. 6 years ago

You have it exactly right. As for the President - he wasn't talking to us, he was talking to a roomful of muslims at the White House for a Ramadan dinner. They know what he was saying.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

You got that straight sheila! I have since listened to various Fox News discussions and I'm absolutely disgusted and appalled by our President. I'm so ashamed that Mr. Obama is our representative to the world for our country. And then to learn that this Imam is on the TAX PAYER DIME to "represent" the U.S. in ANY WAY is just beyond shocking!


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Army Infantry Mom 6 years ago

HIGH 5 Carol !!! Great hub,.. Hit right on the nail,.. why not somewhere else and when can we build ours over there,.. Hey did you know that the St. Nicholas church (the one that crumbled during the 9-11 attacks) well they have been wanting to rebuild but the Gov. keeps stoping them with roadblocks, ya,.. whats up with that. Sure would like Obama to weigh in on that one LOL.


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kingkhan78 6 years ago

Amazing article mosque building thanks for sharing


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VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA 6 years ago from India.

It will be a very sad thing if the mosque continues there. As CJV123 says, it will be a monument for the victory of the terrorists over the "Great Satan".

In my view, they seem to have a great gameplan for spreading their religion all over the world. Is it the same America which fought for several decades to stop the spreading of communism? If communism is to be prevented, the more harmful should also be prevented. It is time to review the American foreign policy. If you give in now, you will never regain it always. People of America should rise up. Build your own church in your own land. Determine whether it is Christian America of Muslim America.


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Corrbrias 6 years ago

I find all organized religion offensive, but I also highly value religious architecture for aestetic reasons. I think we should stop giving tax breaks to places of worship.


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Robertbloggert 6 years ago from Oklahoma

"Also remember, the economy was chugging right along until the Democrats took control of the House and Senate" CJ really you know this is a false statement did you even look at the graph. The economy started crashing before Obama or the Dems took control. And while I'm not saying they ( the Dems) have helped it. Could you please at least not make statements that are just total outright lies? Also it is a fact they don't want to build right on ground zero as you state. You do realize NY is very limited as far as building space right.

But besides all this what does it matter to you where they want to build or how does it effect you one way or the other?


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Robertbloggert - you are talking about one graph in one link I gave. Did you read the entire article? Did you read the other FOUR links - every word - of the other articles (and my blog/Hub that I link to has other links) I left a link for to support what I said? No, of course not. You look at pictures and then make your decision. Nothing I said was a "lie" the LIE is that it was "Bush's fault." If you could READ instead of rely on gossip, your friends and the Huffington Post - you would have read the other articles that back what I said 100%. And secondly, that link with the pretty graph was a BLOG - I just put the link there because I liked the blog - the other links are to the Wall Street Journal. Are you going to say they "lied" too? Yeah that WSJ, what the heck do they know about the world of finance and U.S. finance?

If you do think the Wall Street Journal is lying, you're a nut. Truly a nut. So before you call someone a liar read a little more so you don't look so foolish.

Oh - and what is the building of that Mosque to me? My cousin is a New York City Detective. He lost MANY friends and colleges that horrible day. It means a lot that insensitive stupid - yes STUPID activists with millions and millions of square feet especially in this economy for sale - wants to choose to build a monument so close to ground zero. You truly are a clueless fool if you don't understand why this is a slap in the face to the family and friends of those who lost loved ones on 9/11. Clueless. And that's the nicest thing I can say about your cruel statements.


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drcrischasse 6 years ago from NH/Foxboro

Ughhhh, they make me just want to scream!!!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Dr. Chris, I'm almost incapable of being civil to these people any more. I just have lost patience with people who refuse to educate themselves and just want to stay in their wasteland of rumor and gossip instead of finding out the facts. arrrrgggggg...I share your frustration!


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Robertbloggert 6 years ago from Oklahoma

CJ I don't need any links to know when the economy started crashing. I know when my 401k went down. I know when John Mccain put his campaign on hold http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselect... to go to Washington to help work on the first part of the bailout Sept, 24 2008. You know the 700 billion dollar plan which Bush signed in Oct 2008 http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB1223049...

Also heres the report the labor department gave about september of 2008.

Passage of the bill came amid new evidence from the labor market that the U.S. is tilting further toward recession. Companies shed 159,000 workers in September, the fastest pace in more than five years, the Labor Department reported.

So now when did Obama take office? Where were you in 2008? But with that said let me just ask one thing what do you want Obama to do? Do you really want him or any Goverment official to put a stop to the Mosque? Do you really know what your saying here. So they stop it then what?

Then when the next Catholic, Baptist or whatever church wants to build in NY. Don't you see the Muslims, Atheist and so on protesting. You can't say freedom of religion as long as it's mine. And I know you don't agree with the government telling us what to do.

So Obama said and did what the Constitution permits him to say and do.

But I'm just a foolish,clueless nut. I however said nothing cruel and your statement is still a lie.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

RCBLogger - Sigh...of course I remember the bail out, under President Bush, of 2008 but RCBlogger, this is why you DO have to read historical FACTS that you continue to just close your eyes to - like a child putting their hands over their eyes when they don't want to see something scary. It was 2006 - I'm repeating - as these links to the Wall Street Journal would have told you -- 2006 WHEN THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. It was very shortly after 2006 - I repeat - 2006 -- that legislation was passed BY THE DEMOCRATS - not later in 2008 - that almost immediately led to the economy's downturn. It was the BUSH ADMINISTRATION - who sounded the alarm as well - about Fannie and Freddie it was the DEMOCRATS who ignored that alarm BEFORE 2008 - saying THEY WERE SOUND AND THEIR LOANS WERE SOUND. These very same loans - forced on the banks by DEMOCRATS IN CONTROL OF BOTH HOUSES, to issue loans to PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T PAY THEM BACK. These loans went into default - DUH - and they did in massive numbers. It was the domino affect - and that started the massive downturn of our economy.

When President Bush gave us the first bail out - I didn't agree with it and very much said so. But THE ECONOMY WASN'T HIS FAULT - it was the DEMOCRATS who caused the economic downturn of your 401K. BUT regardless - it doesn't matter what happened to your 401K - or your memory of when it didn't do well. You possibly could have invested in a company that invested unwisely. The FACTS are what is important and the facts - as I repeat - as presented in the links that support every thing I wrote about here and am saying in this comment are - THE DEMOCRATS STARTED THIS and today - it is THE DEMOCRATS AND MR. OBAMA who have made our economy much, MUCH worse.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Oh, and RCBlogger - to answer your question again - as I had addressed the issue in my blog. This isn't about the RIGHT to build a place of worship. OF COURSE they have the right to build the place of worship. As I said DUH! I have no problem with all the Mosques built as I stated there are some numbers built already in the U.S.. It is WHERE they wish to build this one. That is what I have a problem with. And as the Pope suggested to the Nuns wishing to resurrect a Catholic Church near Auschwitz, insensitive to the Jews and they DIDN'T DO IT. That is what the Muslims who want this particular Mosque built where it is built should be thinking and DOING. Building it somewhere else. That is what I'm saying and you know it. You're using specious arguments.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

And to the comment maker I blocked the comments of. I know about cults, I've studied them for over 15 years. I believe that Islam fits the definition of a cult according to my extensive studies. If you don't like it, don't come here and read my Hubs.


jana 6 years ago

I suppose we should oppose building Christian churches anywhere near Oklahoma City and thousands of other locations?


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Jana - what a stupid thing to say. The Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVey wasn't a Christian, claiming to do what he did in the name of "Jesus." The 9/11 hijackers and planners bragged that they did all that they did in the name of "Allah" - "Allah Akbar" which I believe translates to "Allah be praised" which can be heard by Osama Bin Laden's own lips regarding the 9/11 Terror attacks on a video between himself and various other Islamic leaders. It has been often repeated by many Islamic fanatical Muslim suicide bombers "Allah Akbar" right before they pull the switch. So you are attempting to throw a straw man into this debate. The comparison has nothing to do with the other.


Texasbeta 6 years ago

This post is moronic and obviously you do not understand how economics works. Ever heard of the Glass Steagall Act, unregulated derivatives, AIG being found guilty of selecting commodities at risk of failure and bundling them all together thus not spreading the risk, and then short selling it, or credit default swaps. What a joke. This is ridiculous. BTW - Christianity fits the definition of a cult as well. All religions do. Buy a dictionary.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Well Texasbait - I'll bite - I'm the Moron eh? I'll play - How about this? Budget Gaps, The Federal Reserve Ban, Inflation, deflation, the SEC and Credit Card rates go up as new Obama laws take affect.

I can toss out terms and economic words too. And your point?? What in the world do your terms have to do with "connecting the dots?" I wrote a Hub backed by numerous links and in some cases those links led to blogs with even more links backing everything I said. In fact, most of my links go to The Wall Street Journal and their articles. You may have heard of that newspaper while pursuing your economic terms dictionary.

If I'm the moron, then what the heck did your comment even mean? At least I used a logical succession of events which included sources that backed what I said. You throw out a group of unrelated terms with absolutely zero sources and I'm the moron? ROTFL! Nice try though!


Not a Native American  6 years ago

So ,This Country was founded on what / And our sons and daughters Have gone to war for Hundreds of years to Die for What .. Your House is made of Hot Air


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Let's make this perfectly clear Not a Native - they can build a Mosque - there are Mosques built all over the U.S. - I've stated as such in my blog if you had actually read what I wrote. This has nothing to do with the fact that they have the RIGHT to build their Mosque - it has to do with the insensitivity -the bold disregard for the feelings of those who DON'T WANT THEM TO ON THAT SPOT. It has everything to do with the motives of those who want to build it. IF they are were SO concerned with "building up relations" they'd MOVE THE THING. Your comment is the one filled with hot air. It's a straw man and irrelevant to the discussion. The people who don't want it built there have NO PROBLEMS with their right to build a mosque - it's the fact that they wish to build it on sacred ground - very, very insensitive - to say the LEAST.


Maccabee 6 years ago

The common sense is no very common all over the world. The argument on this topic if framed by the Islamo-Fascists and their promoters all over the World, including and first of all in Europe and the US. Most non-Muslim American citizens consider Islam as just one more legitimate religion and the only reason why this Cordoba center must to be somewhere else in Manhattan because of the victims on 9/11. They brainwashed from childhood that freedom of speech and religion is a good idea and a wise policy and we all have to keep the First Amendment unrestricted even this will bring our Country out of existence, of will destroy completely our way of life or us in general as a Nation. Those morons don't want to understand, that any principles must to serve us, not we must to serve them. Those principles must to preserve everything what we cherish so much and if their existence and implementation will probably destroy us, our country and those principles, than we must for our own sake the make some reasonable alterations to them without any hesitation. A Constitution wasn't designed as a suicide act and we have to keep in mind that al l without exception democracies because of their stupidity to keep a live principles rather, than to keep themselves a live gone with the wind to the junkyard of history, including the Athens and Rome. All of our people must to demand from the politicians right or left for their own sake to make changes to the First Amendment as follows: "Nothing in the present Constitution may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms recognized herein or at their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for in the present Constitution." Pursuant this Amendment Islamo-Fascism and their organizations will be outlawed and their buildings construction anywhere will be considered a felony. If any our government is really serious in fighting and eradicating terrorism, than they must first of all eradicate the swamp, not just single, flying or walking and doing or preparing to do harm mosquito. It's a blatant lie that Islam is a religion of peace and just some fringe groups like Al Qaida hijacked and perverted the peaceful message. Quoran and his idea of Jihad is the blueprint for Main Kampf (from German struggle of mine). Exactly like Mohammad, Adolf Hitler named his fascist movement of world conquest and domination, and genocide as The party of God. The same name have Iranian special forces Hezbu Allah??? ????? and Hamas. The primary target of Hesbu Allah (Hezbollah) is not Israel (the small Satan in their lexicon, but the USA (the great Satan) and their sleeping cells are al over America just waiting for a marching order. Therefore, if we really want to win a war against Arab and Persian imperialism, we must to fight their greatest recruitment tools: Quoran, Madrassass and Mosques any place in the world. In the mean time, The USA government is the biggest builder and promoters of Mosques, Madrassass and Quoran. The second after the US is The Saudi Arabia, British empire and EU, than Russia. The US isn't serious in fighting terrorism, because: terrorism vs Israel is acceptable for The US, Russia, EU and UN, but isn't acceptable if the Persians and the Arabs want to resurrect their empires rival to the US and the EU, or Russisa instead of being just their puppets. Than, terrorism isn't acceptable. The doublespeak is not serving good the purpose because their empire building justified by the Quoran. In time of Julius Caesar was a very effective and practical law: to consider a legitimate religion those only, which roots are grounded in eternity and those, who emerged recently must to be considered as cults of personality like Mohammad. Islam emerged more that 700 years after the time of Julius Caesar and must to be treated accordingly not as a religion, but a dangerous to all humanity political theory of conquest and eternal inequality, genocide and slavery covered with the name of Allah, but don't have anything to do with God, which is ONE and can't have different messages to different tribes and "religions". The true message of God is ONE: 10 commandments and 613 Holy laws as ways of life, which are in total contradiction with the Quoran not just in letter, but in spirit. In the Bible is written an eternal obligation of true believers in God: Deuteronomy 4:2

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.


Pinky 6 years ago

If you are calling the building of a mosque a couple of blocks from the site of the 9/11 attack in bad taste and insensitive, what would you call this Glenn Beck rally at the Lincoln Memorial on the same date of the revered Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech 47 years ago? Sensitive? Good taste? I think not. Typical hypocrisy of the right wing.

"This has nothing to do with the fact that they have the RIGHT to build their Mosque - it has to do with the insensitivity -the bold disregard for the feelings of those who DON'T WANT THEM TO ON THAT SPOT. It has everything to do with the motives of those who want to build it."

I will take your above quote and insert the points I'm trying to make here and see how it sounds...

"This has nothing to do with the fact that they have the RIGHT to rally on the same steps where MLK Jr. delivered his historic "I Have A Dream" speech - it has to do with the insensitivity -the bold disregard for the feelings of those who DON'T WANT THEM TO ON THAT SPOT. It has everything to do with the motives of those who disregard and disrespect Dr. King's legacy and its stamp on the current America that they want to destroy for their own warped view of Christianity and God's presence in Government."


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Pinky - very nice try - but wrong! Wow - what a remarkable lack of ability to follow a logical train of thought you have. First of all - while MLK was a great, great man with tremendous historical significance for our country - he didn't own and does not own the Lincoln Memorial. He made a speech in front of it. He didn't DIE in front of it either for that matter. Why shouldn't Glen Beck have a gathering there as so many others have? Rhetorical.

Second of all, the Lincoln Memorial was built to immortalize President Lincoln. It wasn't built to memorialize Martin Luther King. It is a memorial for ALL of the American people to remember what a great President Lincoln was - perhaps some might think THE greatest President, at least one of the greatest. Oh- and he was a Republican BTW - it was the Republicans that spear-headed the move to abolish slavery and later to abolish segregation- historical fact. It was the Democrats who stood in the way of the desegregation - the law of the land.

If we follow your logic - given the fact the Memorial was built to honor Abraham Lincoln - a Republican - following your logic - MLK shouldn't have gone there to give his historical speech ON THAT SPOT.

Again - while MLK is a great man, probably choosing that spot for his historic gathering because Lincoln was a great force in the fight to abolish slavery - MLK isn't the memorial. The "spot", the Memorial wasn't made for MLK. Nor did that spot become "sacred" due to the fact that MLK happened to make a very historical speech there.

Then according to your logic once again - no one can ever use that spot as it is "owned" by the memory of MLK and it therefore would be inappropriate for anyone to give a speech there again unless it was a member of the MLK family or the subject matter was specifically about MLK. See how silly that sounds? Here's the difference between the Glen Beck rally that is planned and building a Mosque in the name of Allah.

Islamic/Muslim evil men flew planes into the Twin Towers all in the name of Allah. They were Muslim men and they slaughtered thousands of U.S. innocent citizens. A man of questionable background, with questionable monetary sources wishes to build a Mosque on SACRED GROUND where the lives of many, many Americans were killed. It is essentially - to those who have lost loved ones - a grave yard. Yet some Muslims want to build a MOSQUE on that graveyard. A stupid, stupid, senseless and I believe evil idea.

There is no comparison between the two. It's a specious argument. Dr. King's legacy isn't on the spot of the Lincoln Memorial. He didn't die at the Lincoln Memorial. Thousands and thousands of MKL's didn't die at the Lincoln Memorial spot. That is merely a part of MLK's legacy. EVERY American owns that spot. The real estate of 9/11 is sacred (as I have heard many family members say) and it is where their loved ones DIED. To erect a Mosque on that spot or anywhere near it shows a stunning lack of judgement. Or worse, evil intent.


Texasbeta 6 years ago

cjv123 - you are playing too much with the names of the parties rather than the beliefs of that party at the time. During the civil war, the Democrats were considered the conservatives. It boils down to conservative vs liberal rather than party names. Go research the Southern Strategy and you'll see the outline. When FDR came about, Republicans started to shift, and then when civil rights started to be an issue, the entire playing field changed. The modern Republicans have almost nothing in common with Lincoln's Republicans. Your group developed its ideas during the Goldwater movement. Modern Democrats have almost nothing to do with the southerners during the Civil war, as they began with FDR. This are more complicated than a name. When your toilet paper company tells you in an ad that they are starting a revolution on toilet paper, they really aren't. It is still just toilet paper. Don't buy the advertising so much.


Pinky 6 years ago

I love how you begin most of your retorts to commenters who disagree with you with blatant, rude, personal insults. Does that somehow make you feel better about yourself? I'm sorry, but that kind of immaturity reeks of a poor self-esteem, and it is usually quite useless to discuss any counter points with someone so totally inept at seeing truth because of your arrogant need to be right, and STAY right about opinion you hold, no matter what!

Your argument was not truthful, nor did it make reasonable sense and I will stop my involvement with it at this time.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Sorry Pinky - you are right, I should not have resorted to personal attacks no matter how rude your comments were. That doesn't excuse behavior that brings me down to the level of someone who must resort to such things because their argument doesn't stand on its own merits.

My problem isn't lack of self-esteem. In fact, it's quite the opposite. I struggle with pride. And you are also wrong about my need to "stay" right. If you had taken the time, you would have seen that I have often admitted when I'm wrong. I even blogged an entire blog/Hub about being wrong. I don't need to "stay" with my opinion. Truth is what is of utmost importance to me - not being right. Truth pretty much always wins when there's a choice for me - admit I'm wrong so I can tell the truth? Or stand my ground? I usually choose truth. You're just not telling the truth. You may BELIEVE you're telling the truth, but you're not. You espouse a liberal mind-set which is anti-Biblical and anti-American. We all know that now through the Obama administration. Many of us knew this before Mr. Obama was even elected. Now most of the country knows it Thank God! We can see by that Glen Beck rally on D.C. that the sleeping giant is waking up. The truth SHALL set us free!

But without a doubt - stooping to a personal attack was wrong of me and I apologize. My argument stood on its own, I didn't need to add that snippy personal attack at all.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Actually Texasbeta, here's a good article to support what I contend - that the Democrats have had a very long history of bigotry and standing in the way of civil rights in particular when it comes to African Americans.

http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.htm...


Pinky 6 years ago

I take great offense when you state that because I, "espouse a liberal mind-set" I am "anti-Biblical and anti-American." I am neither of those, and someone who would claim such of me or anyone else of differing opinions from you can be sure they are experiencing pomposity at it's most extreme. You, cjv123, are what we in modern society calls and a**hole. May God remove the logs from your eyes and the ice from your veins. You are NOT conducting yourself in a manner our good Lord would ever approve of.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

It's a shame you feel that way Pinky. But you do espouse a liberal mind-set. If you take offense, then you should stop taking a liberal position.

There are very specific reasons why a liberal mind-set is anti-Biblical. I'll just state two - Pro-abortion and Pro-late-term abortion. The saying goes, if the shoe fits...

Let me add one more - they frequently resort to potty language.

As for the anti-American part - true liberalism apparently promotes Socialism as we can see by the Obama team. That is fundamentally un/anti-American. Just one example of many.

I find it a little astonishing that you're spouting Biblical admonishment (at me) but you call me a vulgar name. Isn't that a personal attack? Something you recently accused me of doing? Just because you used an "*" doesn't diffuse the vulgarity.

You say I'm not conducting myself in the manner our "good Lord" would ever approve of? I'm not the one using disgusting language in a public forum.

Please don't bother coming back here again. I'll merely delete your comments and report your terms-of-use abuse to the Hub pages team.


Pinky 6 years ago

To make it clear for you, I did not say I DON'T espouse a liberal mind-set. I was expressing my offense when you told me that just because my political ideology (i.e. liberal) appears to be different from your's, I'm anti-American, and anti-Christian. That made me very angry, as you know nothing about me and that kind of statement is not only absurdly general and ignorant, but is so deeply arrogant that it slips into being quite pompous. You deeply offended me, and I reacted. I apologize for any behavior not behooving my Lord, but I do believe speaking an expletive in describing you is a minor offense to your hate mongering behavior.

And in response to your threat to report me to the administrators, I am not even a member here. You post in a public forum that allows comments, not

just adulatory comments and if you cannot take criticism, than you should not be posting. Besides, as a non-member, you have the right not to post my comments anyway. I do not expect to see this response published to your blog, but I do know that you are reading them.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

If you were truly a Christian and you knew "your Lord" then you would know ALL sin is the same to Jesus Christ. My "hate mongering" is identical to your use of vulgarities. Jesus died on the cross for ALL sins, not just the sins you single out as being "worse" than others. You are not the person who holds the scales for sins YOU consider "heavier" than others. Thank God. Any Christian knows that. Your sin is no less egregious to Jesus Christ than mine is. And you add pride to your "lighter" sins as well as ignorance by even implying your sin is OK compared to mine. Pride goes before the fall.

So I suspect you aren't as offended as you protest to be considering you seem to know little about Christianity in the first place. Which leads one to believe you're no Christian. Methinks thou doth protest too much...

And if I am "hate mongering" because I want a Mosque built somewhere else besides ground zero then so be it. If it's "hate mongering" by most all of the families of the victims who feel especially aggrieved by even the suggestion one should be built there, then I'll be honored to be in such great company. I'll take "that hit" for those who are deeply upset by Muslims of questionable background with funds coming from sources they refuse to make public. If I'm a hate monger because I'm far more concerned about the thousands and thousands of people who feel victimized all over again because this handful of Muslims persist in upsetting these people then I'll proudly be a "hate monger."

And you're right - member or not - I vet the comments. But what you don't understand is the setting is on a setting that means I must ALLOW the comment or I can DENY it. It doesn't require reading the comment to do this. I won't be reading anything you write anymore. It's on auto "deny" until I approve. You won't be approved again. We're through here.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Oh - P.S. Pinky - added to things you are very mistaken about - if you read my Hubs and the comments I hardly "can't take" people who disagree with me. There are quite a number of those who disagree who have their comments posted. I only delete/deny obnoxious, repetitive childish rants especially if they are profane. I allowed your profane comment because every once in awhile I like to reveal the underbelly of liberals.


waxi 5 years ago

Very interesting Hub

Waqxi


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cjv123 5 years ago from Michigan Author

Waqxi I hope it is understood that I am talking here about these Muslims. I do not believe all Muslims are like this or act like this. I am open to discussion on this if you disagree.


Waqxi 5 years ago

Hey Hey Carol I am supporting your perspective trust me Many Muslims also oppose building Mosque in the disputed area

Regards

Waqxi


Craig 4 years ago

I've noticed over the years that red groups like Freedom From Religion have no problem with muslims infiltrating their country but World War 2 memorial cross deeply offends them to the point of law suits. With zombie red left the enemy of their enemy is their friend.


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

Your observation is spot on Craig. It's a literal attack on Christianity. The cross on the memorial was cloaked in "separation of church and state." But when the land the memorial was on was bought by a private group the Obama administration stepped in and demanded the cross not go up anyway. The group that sued not only sued but defaced the cross that was on there once the court ruled that it could stay. This is a bold attack on Christianity. That is what is going on today with progressives. Thanks for your comments.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Not that I am a conspiracy buff, but in Europe, as Christianity declines Islam grows. It seems that some people like the idea of being more like Europe--that is less religious and more private.

Religion has now become a private matter instead of a community affair. I remember when it was okay to say Merry Christmas without it being an issue. I am not fan of discrimination of any religion.

I do think that it could be seen as bad judgement to put a Mosque at ground zero. There is a big but though. I don't know much about Islamics these days, but what if they are wanting to memorialize the ground zero and pay respect by having a faith center there--not as a statement of defeat but as a sign of respect.

Now, I don't want to bring all the hell fire and damnation attacks upon me, but what if we are misjudging those people. I want to believe that all Americans can love this nation as much as I do be of whatever faith. I protested the Mosque also, but now I am rethinking my approach.

I would be hurt if I was not allowed to show my dismay at the disaster in New York by expressing my faith. Maybe they feel that way.

I still cannot bring myself to support the building of a Mosque there because I honestly am prejudice. I am trying not to be but I am prejudice when it comes to Islamics.

I go to the forums and try to get to know the religion a little to see where they come from, but the suicide bombings make me put up a wall. Before I found Christ, I even sought out the Islamic faith.

I want to extend the olive branch though. It is hard, but I want to try--no Mosque though.


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

Well said Rodric.


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wba108@yahoo.com 2 years ago from upstate, NY

"This isn't a matter of wanting to suppress the rights of Muslims to build a place of worship. This is a matter of why would anyone of the Muslim faith want to build a Mosque at the sight of Ground Zero?"

Good question, why would the owners of this Mosque want to build on the rubble of an area that radical Muslims targeted to murder innocent people? I doubt they're naive enough to believe that Americans will see this in a favorable light and I suspect they know many Americans will see this as an insult.

Therefore I agree with your notion that the owners of this Mosque see it as a symbol of triumph Islam over Christian America and I suspect Obama knows this also.

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