Mr. Obama a Man Without Class

There are so many photos of Mr. Bush visiting troops I couldn't put them all here if I tried.

Yesterday the world was surprised with the sudden resignation of the UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Within approximately six hours David Cameron became the new Prime Minister. Just like that. Gordon Brown was a member of the labor party, David Cameron the Conservative party. Two polar opposites. Two men who ran against each other with completely different ideas for how to run and rule the UK. Yet, and this is why I write this today – when David Cameron stepped up to the microphone for the first time after officially accepting the “nod” from Queen Elizabeth, he was nothing but a class act. He made it a point to say positive and kind things about the outgoing Prime Minister, even naming some specific things Brown had done that positively impacted the UK. What class. What grace.


Something totally lacking – and I do not say this with any happiness, from President Barack Obama. From the beginnings of his grab for the Presidency, to this very day, Mr. Obama has been disgraceful and classless in his public and sometimes private remarks about former President George Bush. We all know how he endlessly refers to the “mess he inherited.” True, we were in an economic mess. What he always, always fails to mention is this mess was directly caused by his own Democratic party members. Our economy was doing very well until the Democrats took over both Houses in 2006. Then the economy imploded after Barney Frank and Chris Dodd set up their own personal fortunes with backdoor deals with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It sounds like a Mafia family transaction. And for all intents and purposes, it was.

The downfall of our economy began with Congress, under the power of the Democrats – demanding that lending institutions lend to essentially those incapable of backing up their loans and unable to pay them. They all began to default eventually, and this domino effect led to the housing crisis as the defaults began pouring in at a record rate. Then like dominos – the rest of our U.S. economy followed suit and we had a crash and burn. All thanks to the Democrats.


However, even if all of this wasn’t true and Mr. Obama was correct – “it’s all Bush’s fault,” the fact remains it is childish and utterly lacking in class that he keeps talking about it.


Recently, Mr. Biden whispered in his ear an expletive that the world heard over the open mike. Mr. Obama – according to Mr. Biden, found this hilarious.

Classless.

Mr. Obama recently referred to the Tea Party Movement using a disgusting profane slang term for a sexual act. This is our President and he’s acting like a street thug. It’s so embarrassing.

Classless.

Mr. Obama called out a D.C. Police officer, opening his mouth to publicly criticize the policeman saying the “police acted stupidly” before knowing anything about the details. He insinuated that the officer acted in a racist manner. Then, because he opened his mouth and said foolish stupid things himself, he had to have what is now known as the “Beer Summit” in order to make amends.


Classless.

It just goes to show you that a college degree doesn’t turn someone into a person of character. Mr. Obama is a glaring example of this.

I could go into endless examples of why this President has given only ONE press conference. He knows off the prompter, he embarrasses himself, this nation and the American people. At least he’s smart enough to realize that much. If George Bush had only one press conference, the lame stream media would be howling every single day relentlessly.


I can’t help but remember a recent President with class. It’s natural to go back to the days when we had a man in office with character, who was honest and despite the lies of the left, is a very smart and caring man. George W. Bush would regularly meet with our military and do it essentially secretly. Not that the media would have bothered to cover it anyway. But as someone once wrote, class is how you act when the camera lights are off, when others aren’t watching. That’s when the true character of an individual comes out. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/22/bush-cheney-comforted-troops-privately/


Mr. Bush often visited with the military troops, their family members and especially the family members of those soldiers who gave all. Read this article about the goodness and class of this much maligned man. While you read, remember that although Mr. Obama has had the time to travel the U.S. hundreds of time to push his health care bill  - he has met only one time with his Commander of all the troops, General McChrystal and he has gone only once to Afghanistan. Both meetings don’t even add up to three hours.  

Classless. 

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Tom Whitworth 6 years ago from Moundsville, WV

cjv123,,

It's impossible for a Chicago machine political thug to display and class at all. It's as foreign as his birth certificate supposedly is!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Wayne Brown 6 years ago from Texas

An excellent article with some solid points. I recently read coverage of the meeting between Billy Graham and Obama. The piece went to great lengths to stress how much Obama had wanted that meeting for so long yet it had been delayed time and again by Rev. Graham's health issues. When the meeting did take place, the special aspect of it, was that Obama had traveled to Rev. Graham's home in North Carolina for the visit. For all the hoopla that was created about the visit, it lasted only 30 minutes in its entirety. I find that a symbolic waste of taxpayer dollars when I try to imagine the logistics that went into placing Obama in that household. On the other hand, I think it was an important meeting and certainly Rev. Graham has extended his hand to all Presidents in the past and he did so with Obama. Sadly, I think the meeting serve no purpose other than to be a feeble attempt on Obama's part to acknowledge the Christian religion and gain some points in the polls. But then, we have to remember, this is a guy with no class. George Bush would have certainly handled it in a more meaningful. I am sure of that. Thanks for a good read! WB


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maven101 6 years ago from Northern Arizona

Shoving the dalai Lama out the back door...Classless

Bowing to an Arab king...Classless

Refusing to bow to the Queen of England...Classless

Hands covering his crotch during the National Anthem...Classless

The fact that he will be a one term president...Priceless

We need to post this Hub every November till 2012...Thanks, Larry


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

So true Tom! You know, I'm no "birther" but one has to wonder, why won't anyone produce his actual birth certificate? It's so senseless, unless there is something to hide. I sure understand why there's such a hoopla over his lack of an original birth certificate.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Hi Wayne, very, very well put. Your observations about the meeting with Mr. Obama and Reverend Billy Graham are very insightful. I too hoped something would come of the meeting. When George W. met with Graham, it led to a complete life-change. One can only pray, but like you I'm very cynical and I also found it to be a colossal waste of tax payer's money. But Mr. Obama feels he's entitled. We already know he is a total elitist. Sadly, I believe as you do, that he did the whole thing for a photo op and for personal gain with regards to his damaged political career.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Maven - your additional comments are PRICELESS! Excellent. I hope others will add the many, many terrible classless blunders by this President. As you say, let's keep it up until November 12 when I pray you are right and he is VOTED OUT.

One his wife made was when they met the Queen (as you brought up) he DIDN'T bow - protocol, and Mrs. Obama TOUCHED her. NO ONE is supposed to touch the Queen - PROTOCOL. But you see (YouTube video) her put her hand on the back of the Queen and the Queen tries to brush her hand away. What fools for even putting the Queen in such an awkward position as to have to "shoo" her hand away.

Sadly, they are totally and utterly classless, both of them!


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sheila b. 6 years ago

As I see it, the Democratic Party has become the party of hate, and they're the ones Obama is playing to. Dems hated Bush, keep the hate going. He insults those the Dems hate. And even when he didn't salute the flag, it was a photo op for Dems. But - when there's hate, there's no room for anything except hate.


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American Romance 6 years ago from America

good job! keep it up!


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eovery 6 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

Bush and his wife showed much more class than the Obamas could ever think of.

Keep on hubbing!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thanks for leaving your comments American Romance!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Always a pleasure to receive your thoughts Eovery!


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itakins 6 years ago from Irl

cjv123

I have to agree with you and might I add he's in good company when with our not so esteemed leader-also a highly educated man!!

I think Britain is so fortunate at the moment to have David Cameron as prime minister-he is a class act.


ChristopherD 6 years ago

Very good CJV! He is that person from a classless family that had no class to begin with. (Jokingly - Obama probably had a 64oz beer at the summit)

Obama is not one that speaks for the majority at all. He is a rude and selfish person. He may not realize it but hopefully the people do!


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SheriSapp 6 years ago from West Virginia

I saw where some gov workers are indicted because they had the gall to try and access BO's college loan papers. What is the big deal with the heavy-handed way they deal with ANYONE so foolish as to seek info about this fraud in the White House. Also, wasn't it funny when he was lamenting the overwhelming use of techie devices in our world. BO even said he cannot operate these things, I wonder why he thought it was an acceptable gift to give the Queen of England an I-POD!!! Oh, yeah, it is because (as you said) he is CLASSLESS... and his dumbass wife is too!!!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Another big piece of evidence as to the classlessness of the man - he recently said Rush Limbaugh should "Go play with himself" with regard to a pretend golf date set up between the two of them.

I'm no fool - I know privately, behind closed doors, Presidents curse, say nasty things and we all know DO nasty things on White House furniture and rugs and dressess...ahem...but I include both Republican and Democratic Presidents. But never has one been so crass, so CLASSLESS openly and publicly. He doesn't even have the sense to know what he's doing is disgusting and a national embarassment. It's so sad and as you say ChristopherD - hopefully if he can't get a grip on it - the American people will come 2012. Thanks for stopping by!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Sheri -- you crack me up. I know - he sends BACK a gift from the Queen - a bust of Sir Winston Churchill - (Please accept our deepest apologies for this oaf in the White House citizens of the U.K.) and then sends an iPod with HIS SPEECHES ON IT. I mean is there NO END to the low life antics of this man BHO??? Thanks for making your colorful and often hilarious comments!!


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breakfastpop 6 years ago

The best picture I ever saw of the true Obama is the one with a cigarette dangling from his lips. He looked like the thug he really is, classless, totally classless.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Oh my gosh you SO have that right Pop! I thought THE SAME THING the first time I saw that photo!


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CornerStone51 6 years ago from Mifflintown, PA

When the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu visited the White House Obama went upstairs to have dinner and kept the PM waiting for an hour or more. Now that isn't only classless, it is rude beyond measure. Thanks for a great article Sis.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

I didn't know that Sis - wow - just another example of the clod we have as our President...what a mess we're in. May God have mercy on us for electing this man to the highest office in the world!


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Army Infantry Mom 6 years ago

Obama is classless !!! I'll never forget that joke about his bowling skills on Leno,..compaaring it to the special olympics,..he is also so narsistic !!! Keep hubbing girl !!!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

I forgot about that one too Army Infantry Mom! See - I knew all you smart Hubbers would come up with ones I didn't list! He is unfortunately our national joke!


druhepkins 6 years ago

I was surfing around in hub pages and I couldn’t resist commenting after reading your hub. I wish people would just be honest and straight. Some people are die hard, party loyal conservative republicans and they

don’t like or support Obama because you’re never going to---and that’s really all there is to it. Doesn’t matter what he does. If he cured Cancer and achieved world peace, you still wouldn’t like or support him. Instead of just being straight, people draw these painful, lame maps to nowhere trying to incriminate the guy to justify not liking him. And I’m sorry, it’s usually nonsensical. But hey, if enough people believe the same garbage, it’s not garbage anymore. Most Americans seem to see their reality through a veiled party favoring lens.

I’ve been down this road before so I’m sure you wont be convinced of anything so I won’t waste my time. Regardless however, there’s absolutely no doubt that primarily the Bush administration is culpable for the state of the economy with several historically bad decisions----including money dolled out to enter not one, but 2 wars based on reaction and false information. Forget the surplus Bush squandered, these kids were dying over there for WMD’s that didn’t even exist. If people stopped thinking like part of some polarized group---brainwashed, party loyalists, and thought clearly and unbiased---you’d have to admit Bush didn’t have a very good presidency plain and simple. And the only reason Obama has repeatedly reminded us that the economy is a result of the Bush Administration is because---and of course, people were already trying hard to blame him. Comparing Obama to the PM of England is totally baseless. As if us Americans were classy and accepted him graciously. Nor was Cameron taking over a historic mess in the midst of a recession he had nothing to do with. People started blaming Obama while he was being sworn in. No lie.

And Biden’s expletive was “Joe Biden’s” expletive. That was like a Sean Hannity statement: it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Obama but lets nail him with it.

As far as Obama’s “comment” about the Tea Party---again, the American childish word games. I actually couldn’t find proof of it on any respectable, reputable news site. Just unofficial conservative blog sites. Not surprised.

As for Obama saying the Police acted stupidly, well…to most wise and judicial people---they did. The MINUTE the officer realized that the man was a renowned and elderly Harvard professor who was in his own house, he probably should’ve just left. He’s an officer of the LAW, The reason why they were called was a misunderstanding, and there was no crime. Despite the old man’s bantering---instead of apologizing and just leaving, he still spoke to the Harvard scholar Dr. Gates who’s twice his age authoritatively, called him out of his house, put him in cuffs and threw him in jail. And just what purpose did this accomplish? Jail is for criminals and its not a joke. You don’t throw people in cuffs in front of their neighbors and haul them off to jail to give him a “time-out”. I hope the police do that to your father, grandfather or older relative and I’d love to see if you feel the same. It’s very frustrating that in 2010 people are still this lost in their own perspective. I know plenty cranky old men--including my pop. If I saw my dad who’s worked hard and never committed a crime in his life get hauled out of his own home by some brash cop half his age--I’d be very upset. Obama retracted the statement mainly to appease us babies. Even though the cop was still cocky and unresponsive, I thought the summit was a very nice, presidential gesture. You say he’s classless.

You favor Bush and call him a man of class. Bush was a former drunk and coke snorting screw up who never had a successful business in his life----he should’ve never been president. If anything, it really should’ve been Jeb. And you said he was honest? Wow. I think you’re too busy fishing for things on Obama and didn’t get around to catching the countless, and humorous caught on tape moments in which Bush looked straight into the camera and lied to you. People will just believe whatever they want to believe in the end.


Madame X 6 years ago

cjv - you know the old saying - "You can't polish a turd"

Great hub and very pertinent. Recently, a hubber used sexual and degrading terms in the forums about the tea partiers. Another hubber, a gentleman, stepped in at one point and apologized to me for the disgraceful behavior of this first hubber. It was an act of pure class, and one that completely escaped some other hubbers on that forum at the time. So much so that they then poked fun at the idea that a man would even take offense at another man speaking in so vile a way to a woman. These mockers were, of course, liberals. And to top it off, they were women!

But they're following their messiah. And if that means that they throw their manners, graciousness (I'm sure they'd have to look that up in a dictionary!), and respect for others out the window then that's what they do.

Some Americans have let themselves become pathetic through following the liberal agenda. But if they didn't follow the group, they wouldn't get their gold star now, would they?

I'm glad you brought this subject up. It is clearly one that has needed to be addressed for a long time :)


druhepkins 6 years ago

Madam x, I really try my hardest to understand this dark side of the fence but I don't think I ever will. So some random hubber used a term that offended you, and it's president Obama's fault because he is their messiah? And now among the many right wing charges, Obama has no manners, class or respect. Just a real brutish, nasty individual. The only reason why this isn't extremely hilarious is because you all are dead serious. Instead it's rather frightening.


Madame X 6 years ago

druhepkins - You're joking, right? That so-called "messiah" in the white house is just a symptom of the underlying powers that want personal sovereignty destroyed. He's just their tool, puffed up with their constant praise of him. When he's finished doing what they want, when they're done with him, they'll discard him like they've done to so many before him. And the sad thing is is that he doesn't see it. Look deeper dru, there's way more going on then the stupid nonsense in some forum.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Druhepkins - let me first say thank you for your thoughts and reasonable tone. I appreciate you taking your valuable time to come here and write what you did - even though you disagree with most everyone who commented to include the person who wrote this Hub - me. But let me tell you something immediately about how completely flawed your thinking is in some respects. I say SOME - not all - I'm not trying to be demeaning. But I can show you that you are factually incorrect about something.

The economy isn't bad because of George Bush's war. Go to the primary source of the government figures. These are numbers/data, they don't have an opinion. And they show you to be wrong in your assumption:http://www.federalbudget.com/HistoricalTables.pdf

You will see here clearly that our national defense is only 16.5% of the budget (go to pg. 54 you'll see the actual numbers at the top and the % near the bottom of the page.)

Our "Human Resources" budget is almost FOUR TIMES that amount at 62.4%. Bush's war isn't sucking the life out of this country - Medicare and Social Security and other "Human Resources" are and it's getting worse under this administration.

I'm not doing this to say, "Nanny, Nanny Boo Boo." You are a product of the main-stream media and listening to people who agree with you without verifying the information. I've done it sometimes. You agree with what the person is saying - you trust that what they are telling you is true.

So if you are completely wrong about this - as you are I'm afraid - because if you read the Wall Street Journal or listened to any non-Democratic financial expert - you'd know - the banks making bad loans caused this collapse. Read the description of what I wrote above with regard to how the Democrats did this during the Bush administration.

SO - if you're wrong about this - don't you think you could be wrong about a lot of other things?

I'm not a party loyalist. So you see - you're also wrong about that. I'm a registered Republican who has not always voted Republican. I am not loyal to any one Party. I am loyal first to God and the principles of the Bible, next to the Constitution of the United States. If you think I believe every Republican has stayed true to the constitution I'm afraid you're very, very wrong again.

I want you to just take this one thing I've shown you above. I want you then to really give this some thought. Yes, I "rant" about Mr. Obama - but I'm doing so because the media won't. If George Bush did these same things - they'd be all over him constantly. It's a double standard and we really need to take a look at the character of the man who is Barack Obama.

I'm going to add just one more thing you said. EVEN if George Bush was THE WORST President EVER - even IF I was wrong and the economy is ALL Mr. Bush's fault - the fact that you defend Mr. Obama for constantly blaming him for it doesn't make what Mr. Obama is doing RIGHT. Let's just say you're right - It's all Bush's fault. The FACT that Mr. Obama - unlike ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY - has EVER stooped so low as to blast, blame, say disparaging remarks about the former administration - FOR ANY REASON - still does not make what Mr. Obama is doing RIGHT. It's WRONG of him to do it - Classless. Lowlifes do this - our President should NEVER do such a thing. THAT'S the point!

And I'll say one last thing - and then let this go - Joe Biden SAID himself - I watched him say it - that Mr. Obama thought his expletive for all the world to hear - was HILARIOUS. That's CLASSLESS. I know Joe Biden said it, but Joe said the President thought it was a riot. The President should have been EMBARRASSED. Character matters in the job of President of the U.S. and Mr. Obama lacks character.


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

Great hub...

I might not have been a big fan of Bush. but he tried. and I think he handled things well after 9/11.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

You know Outdoorsguy- just before I downloaded Karl Rove's book to my Kindle - someone like you, who obviously wasn't a "fan" of Mr. Bush who said that after she read Rove's book she'd have to rethink this whole Bush thing - felt she didn't give them (Bush/Cheny) a fair shake. I firmly believe while the Bush Presidency was hardly perfect, history will prove/show that Mr. Bush was a good solid President and we'll all thank God for his leadership after 9/11 in particular. Thank you for saying that - I really appreciate your comments.


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FGual 6 years ago from USA

I have thoroughly enjoyed this hub. Anyone who would appoint Eric Holder to anything must have serious psychological issues. He is a disgrace, and should have been disposed of months ago. I miss the Class act we had in the White House.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

FGual - Thank you for your comments. I too miss the former administration - the adults were in charge then. Can you imagine if anyone in the Bush administration said the things Eric Holder said regarding the Arizona signing a new law? He or she would have been crucified. "No, I haven't read the law, only listened to some who read it." ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!


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USMCwifey09 6 years ago

This hub is wonderful; I too agree with FGual. I am personally terrified about what is happing to the US, and to have these types of people in charge is only making matters much worse.


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

am I the only one that noticed Mr. Holder seems to believe its his job to decide if a law is constitutional. cant do his own so he's now poaching the supreme courts job.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

A law that he deems unconstitutional that he apparently hasn't even read no less - Outdoorsguy - does it really matter? Mr. Obama is supposedly the constitutional genius lawyer. He hammers the Supreme Court for a decision and rants on and on about it - AND HE WAS WRONG. This crew is frighteningly inept, not even remotely intelligent and they have their finger on the button to the nukes. This whole thing is NUTS! So what's a few Holder remarks about the unconstitutionality of a law? LOL Is anyone really listening?


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rkhyclak 6 years ago from Ohio

Love this hub! I cannot attest to the truth of this, I can only say that I read it in a newspaper while I was out of town on business (I can't remember the paper-but I was in Ashland, Kentucky), but I read that Mr. Obama recently kept another White House guest waiting for an hour while he and Michelle had sex. Had I been that guest and known what was going on I would have left, leaving a "kind" note about not returning...ever. I'm all for sex between married people, however, not when it's keeping guests waiting...especially in the White House! Whole lotta class there.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

I had NOT heard that rkhyclak - but there you have it again CLASSLESS! Honestly - they sure LOOK like elitists but they act like low lifes and it's happening over and over. Thanks for taking the time out of your busy life (adorable baby!) to leave comments on my Hub!


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dornkelly 6 years ago

So true. I think alot of the people who voted for him have "buyers remorse". Democrats always have to lie to get elected. They never tell the truth of what they want to do because the American people would never vote for them. I don't think most people who voted for Obama knew what they were in for.


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rebekahELLE 6 years ago from Tampa Bay

so, in making a hub about how classless you believe President Obama is and that all of the country's problems are due to Democrats, you're not portraying yourself as someone with much class, as you define its meaning in your hub. everyone is entitled to their opinions, but sorry, I see no class in this type of article.


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

Lets see exercising your right to free speech and critize a sitting president is now classless.

a Polite article pointing out the lack of decorum that the sitting president displays regularly. with polite responses is not classless, in fact it beats the teeth gnashing and howling that so many others exhibt.

thanks Id say theres alot of class and decency in both the hub and its responses.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

rebekahElle- I suspect you think my expressing my opinion pointing out the very embarrassing things President Obama has done is classless because you disagree. I'm observing what he's doing and pointing out a truth - character matters. Especially in the President of the United States. There's nothing "classless" about that observation. As Outdoorsguy said - I'm exercising my right to free speech and it's my right to criticize the sitting president. That's not classless - it's my right.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

domkelly - I think you're right. I've heard it time and time again - there is definitely a lot of buyer's remorse out there. I just pray they vote the PROPER way next time or at least STAY HOME. Thanks for stopping by!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thanks Outdoorsguy! I agree - I think the comments overall are very civil here! Including your comments! Thanks for taking the time to give us your thoughts and to watch my back! ;-)


druhepkins 6 years ago

It’s like I said, I respect that you feel that way and I was sure we weren’t going to convince each other of anything. You’re unmovable in the believe that a dumb president with horrible policies that lied us into 2 expensive, and purposeless wars was inconsequential to the current state of the economy among many other things so I'm not going to waste time going there. We can play with numbers all day. There's fixed statistics that swing eitherway.

And regardless what party affiliation you are, most sensible people haven't been voting republican lately anyway so there's no surprise there. There haven't been much options lately for awhile now.

I'll meet you halfway. I know its not just Bush. Everyone thinking in a box tries to make it one thing or another--one party’s fault or another’s etc. Everyone always tries to make everything black or white. Nothing is black or white; its GRAY. There are many reasons for the current state of the economy from the subprime mortgage fiasco with predatory lending, to wall street banks creating a careless casino-like economy, to the rise of crude oil costs etc. etc. Both parties share some culpablility because they often play the same games. But you can’t argue against specific facts which is this: The Bush administration is clearly responsible for many things that helped tip the scale toward a recession including 2 pointless wars, increasing our dependence on oil as oil prices soared. President Bush also increased government spending more than any of the six presidents preceding him, including LBJ. It's a fact. He increased the Federal budget by over 48%. AND- most damaging, he came in with a surplus and left with an astounding deficit; the economy began to plummet to oblivion in his presidency, ON HIS WATCH.

Apparently, you have no problem convincing anyone here. But you have more than a problem trying to convince the majority of the country and the rest of the civilized world that Bush was honest or an effective president. It’s common knowledge he was far from either. If the cameras were rolling and his mouth was moving, he was lying or just saying what he was coached to say. If he wasn't doing that, he was vacationing. Exhonoration for Bush is not deserved, and its just not ever happening. You mark my words, From the economy, to his ties with oil and the Saudi's, to his failed policies---with each passing decade Bush will live more and more in infamy. Case closed, end of story, and good riddance.

However, the main thing that struck me about your hub was Obama's incessant criticism of non-issues. Its seems there's nothing left to throw that hasn't been thrown (and missed) so here we are: He doesn't have any manners?? I'm sorry but it just seems like completely unpolitical, inconsequential Fox Newsy stuff going on here.


druhepkins 6 years ago

And hey Madam x--I can respect that you feel that way. I’m not validating or discrediting any of it, but yes many times leaders are puppets of something much larger. But I see everything including the kitchen sink thrown at Obama to the point it often doesn‘t make any sense. Some things have merit, but most are totally ridiculous and absurd. This hub is about him not having any manners. He didn’t even make it 100 days without conspiracy theories and attacks. I’ve witnessed a presidency in which there were the most ridiculous accusations against our own president---from his being born in Kenya, to his being Hitler-like socialist dictator, to him being the anti-Christ. When someone is guilty of something, it’s usual consistent with everyone’s disapproval. With Obama however, it’s always something different. When you listen to Hannity, Beck or Limbaugh, everyday its something new as if they need something newer, more shocking and more incriminating to stick. Every current event that happens, Obama gets woven into it as the cause. Because his opposition is always all over the place, I get suspicious about the opposition and not the opposed. I don’t agree with everything he wants. I don’t think I’ve agreed 100% with any president. But when there’s a lynch mob with pitch forks, I feel it needs to be justified and justification really falls short with Obama.


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

druhepkins

honest question here..

why is that you focus on the questionably nut job theorys. instead of what he actually does.

theres a thing called protocol. the US president never bows to a foriegn leader. its a culteral issue. it shows subersevience and that places the US in an awkward position for any talks and negotiations..

now that might not seem like a big deal to some Americans.. but other places its a very big deal. Japan and the middle east for one.

in addition psychologically it hinders talks becuase he has placed him self and this country below the level of who he is negoatiating with.

you dont Praise Dictators who scream threats at the country he was elected to defend. you dont have to be rude. but you dont say " what a swell fellow." it encourages a potential enemy who sees it as a weakness. Ala sucking up to the school bully.. the bully just picks on you more becuase of the weakness.

You dont snear or Tear down your opponents on a personal level. Even the Liberal Feel good crowd admits picking on people is not a good thing.. he can attack a position or an ideal. but the president of the United States should be above bad mouthing an individual.

George Bush never did. he even showed class after losing the election when he showed OBama around the white house.

and Bush never once, bad mouthed any particular individual even when the left was calling for assisinations, calling him a killer and criminal. I dont think I could have done that.

Obama couldnt even be bothered with sitting with the Israeli leader and his party and left them sitting alone while he went and ate dinner. if I did that to guests I had invited to my home it would have been considered highly rude.

I dont have to like the man to want my president to show class, even if I and the rest of us cant. I want him to Act like an adult even if we are screaming at each other.

I really want him to treat our allies as friends even if he cant stand them.

he is the president not a civilian with unwanted guests.

in short I want him to be as civil, polite and as classy as possible becuase he represents us to the world. if he cant act better than the rest of us, he does us all a disservice. becuase his protocol slips and unintentional insults will affect every single one of us thru trade, commerce and possible even war.

actions have consequences. and even more so when its the Presidents actions.

Its happened before in history and it will most likey happen again.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Druhepkins - I gave you the White House/the Obama administration government budget numbers as the link. It's a primary source. Yes, numbers can be skewed - the Obama Administration is doing that all the time with this insane "Jobs Saved" number they keep trying to foist on dumb Americans. I'm not that dumb though.

But I gave you the U.S. Budget number - they don't lie - and it proved your assumption wrong! The war portion of the budget isn't a FRACTION of our "Human Resources" portion of the budget. It's there - in black and white - this one HAS NO GRAY AREA. It's your man's BUDGET NUMBERS - as in President Obama's Budget numbers!

It is very disingenuous of you to act as if this is just a silly little link I've used. It is proof that you are wrong - at least in the area of the war using up so much of our national budget and causing the economic collapse. There really can't be any more discussion between us if you won't even look at what I told you. It's in fact - a little rude - and you were to that point very careful to parse your words and be civil. But that's just rude. You make a statement - I take my time to show you that you are mistaken - provide you the link to the primary source - take my time in answering you and you brush it off with: "You’re unmovable in the believe that a dumb president with horrible policies that lied us into 2 expensive, and purposeless wars was inconsequential to the current state of the economy among many other things so I'm not going to waste time going there. We can play with numbers all day. There's fixed statistics that swing eitherway."

The link I gave you was like the "books" of the U.S. Government and CAN NOT BE PLAYED WITH. It's MATH. Plain an simple.

Sorry - I don't work like that. I know you're trying - but you're not going to waste my time by making these statements - expecting me to counter and then blow of the facts I counter with. I can understand if you want to agree on the SUBJECTIVE matters and I respect your right to do that. But you are truly being rude here with this bit that the war crippled our economy and again you make the wrong statement that the wars were expensive and purposeless. Wrong, WRONG. The second part - subjective, the "expensive" part - you're wrong about FACTUALLY.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Once again, well said Outdoorsguy!


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tom hellert 6 years ago from home

Its funny when I read druhehkins last post she started off I thought she was talking about Barry- OsamaOBamawith te line "in the believe that a dumb president with horrible policies that lied us" That is the perfect description of Barry He campaigned from the center on a platform of inclusion, cspan coverage,"publish all non-emergency legislation to the website for five days... before the President signs it,"No lobbyists- turns out 17 lies therewheres the tax cut for seniors, tax credits for businesses, tuition credits, Armenian Genocide - forgot them too, Barry also LIED about his different tone- but he fights with Limbaugh , joe the plumber and thae cop who gave his leftist college buddy some trouble then he and the other Dems cut Republivans out of almost all talks on health care. He cares so much about the economy that he leaves on a valentines day jaunt to NY where are his priorities? The whitehouse is a 24-7 jobin a crisis. now about his appointees tax cheat Tim,Guytner andnear appointee tRahm "dead fish in bed" Emmanuelwho forgot he was living tax free on a US congressmans property as required in tax code, what about Nancy Killefer who forgot her taxes and lets not forget the colorful liguist Rev "GD America Wright.Eric Holder nr i didn't read the 9 page bill bit I still have an opinion on it somehow funny I didn't even swee oBama move his lips when Holder said that. I understand your support on osama Obama (not my words those were Kennedy's rest his soul) I find it admirable you Stand by your man but bblaming the financial collapse on Bush- no clintons mess triggered down fall by a little event on September 11 2001. So lets get down to it- Bush not perfect but after the terrorists hit him the first time they found out he was not afraid to fiight back like slick Willy Clinton. Guess what Obama is leading us down that path again- oh npo terrorists are going to be tried in US courts That will show them we mean what we say and you'll go to a jail that has better conditions than the pitiful sandy ponkass country they came from. IF barry does not get tougher alot more attacks will come just like slick willy they kept hitting us no response no response, shoot some missiles rhat will show them... Ya right...a wimp jusr like that nose up chin up socialist we have in there now.

Don;t think I am picking only on you I would do this for anyone who needs to hear the truth.

Have a Nice Day


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rkhyclak 6 years ago from Ohio

Tom Hellert, I think I might have to be your fan after that comment :)


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

HUBBERS

We should be worrying about the next move from president Obama and the Democrat Congress.

The 2011 federal budget was supposed to be presented by April 15th. the ''just say no crowd '' Republicans have been locked out of the budget process '' Obama's open government and his way of bipartisanship ''

Today is May 18 and no budget to see, guess it's all behind locked doors while the president is in Ohio telling the people that the Republicans caused the recession and its the Republicans fault that unemployment hasn't bounced back.

Obama on the campaign trail, Congress looking for a 2011 budget, another untruth about the recession and just plain BS by the highest officer in the land.

If you missed Beck today check him out the expose is getting better. the videos of the past are enlightening.


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK

Very "classy" Hub.

Thanks for sharing!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Hey Jon - it's definitely getting scarier as the Obama admin. and the Dems become more desperate. I'm starting to battle real fear regarding the future of our country!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

I appreciate you stopping by Lady_E!


dreamreachout 6 years ago

Wonderful observations on this very practical hub!!


Amy323 6 years ago

This hub is a sure winner in my book! Where's Bush when you need him lol


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND

This is a great hub - love all of the comments and the rebuttals as well. President Bush was a class act - big deal that at one time he was a drunk - we all have a past where we've made horrible mistakes and it's not about the past it's about what you've learned from that and how you've grown from it. President Bush humbled himself before the Lord and allowed God to change him. Humility is something that Obama serioulsy lacks.

A friend of mine had the chance to meet President Obama when she was in Hawaii and she really didn't even want to shake his hand because of the lack of respect she had for him. She would have shaken President Bush's hand in a heartbeat. The two really are polar opposites in that department along with many others.


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OpinionDuck 6 years ago

cjv

Great hub.

The latest Obamanism just happened when he met with the president of Mexico.

In their conversation and press conference, Obama sided with Mexico and made Arizona seem like a rogue state.

This is a topic for another hub, but Mexico's Constitution is far more restrictive on illegals than Arizona or the Federal Government, even if the Federal Government would enforce our own immigration law.

Arizona is forced to enforce what the federal government should be doing itself.

Remember it is not only friendly illegal workers getting across our border, but drug cartel people and terrorists.

Good job.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

OpinionDuck - I JUST was writing about that to a friend via email! What a clueless jerk we have in the White House! He hasn't even read the Arizona law, nor has anyone in his administration and they're all going around shooting their mouth off about something they know NOTHING about! Obama is SUCH a low life! He's so UNpresidential!

Thanks so much for stopping by and leaving your comments!


kkk 6 years ago

druhepkins, i must admit you're on the ball... keep it coming... for the rest of you, do u really believe president bush is better president than president obama?


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

hubbers

take note of mexican law

If you break the Mexican illegal immigrant law.

First offence 2years in jail

Second offence 10 years in jail

I would venture to say that there are not many with 10 year terms.

In the US,ICE if they don't release the illegals they send the illegals back to the border ( many try getting back in often )

THE ARIZONA LAW BS 1070 TAKES EFFECT ON JULY 29TH

As President Obama said '' Adios Amigos ''

Glen Beck on Fox News continues the Obama expose, don't miss the show.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

kkk -- great profile name - only substantiates that liberals just talk the talk of being "for the oppressed" but actually are elitist (or more accurately THINK they're elitist) and racist.

As to your question - read and view some of my Hubs. Mr. Bush is a far, far better President than Mr. Obama - the proof is in the Presidency.


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

for those interesed. see if you can find a transcipt or vid clip of Wolf Blitzers interview with Calderon. Calderon slammed Az then when asked what Mexico did with illegals answered.. " we send them back" and said they tracked all foriegner and checked papers. is that profiling LOL


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Interested - will do outdoorsguy!


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CornerStone51 6 years ago from Mifflintown, PA

President Bush was NOT a dumb president. Thanks be to God that we had him there after 9/11. And it was not Pres. Bush that got us into this financial mess, it was the Democratic House and Senate the last couple of years of his administration...Barney Frank stood up and said there was nothing wrong with Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac! PLEASE! He barrelled right ahead as did the rest of his comrades and that's what started this whole downslide. President Bush saved this country from terrorist activity after 9/11...we have him to thank for our safety. George W. Bush realized he had a drinking problem and quit drinking one day never to touch another drop again. I don't know where the idea came from that he was a cokehead...never heard anything about that. And everyone did things in their younger dumber days that they aren't real proud of.Didn't Obama say that he smoked grass? Bush is a class act...the way he and Laura treated the Obamas and the way he organized such a smooth transition from his administration to Obama is further proof. Did Clinton do that for Bush...I DON'T THINK SO!!!

If Obama had an ounce of class he would never have treated Prime Minister Netanyahu the way he did. He is arrogant and classless. And if he were a conservative, I would still think that! How dare he apologize for this great country and bad mouth this country in front of foreigners! That's NOT what an American President does. We aren't perfect here in America...the fact that Obama was elected is definite proof of that...but we are the best thing going in this old world.

God bless America and God bless our troops and their families...

A Soldier's Wife


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN CORNERSTONE!!!


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

Corner stone.. Thank your husband, for me, for his service to the Nation. and God bless him while he walks in the dark places for our nation.


Nan 6 years ago

CJV, you and your crowd are prejudice! George Bush got this country into (2) wars and left a debt that will never be paid. Bill Clinton left money in the treasury. Bush didn't had a very high IQ, it has been mentioned many times. A. Greenspan advised him and said that he was at fault for the debts and fall of our economy. He lowered the loan requirements for mortgages and everybody. The Republicans have totally destroyed this county with their greed for money. I hope that you are rich and can afford to lose your money, like the middle class has lost their money. Our youth are fighting a war that never should have started.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Oh my gosh - Nan - you're kidding, right? George Bush didn't lower anything - our lawmakers did that. Our lawmakers who lowered the standards for the loans were DEMOCRATS - this is FACTUAL - read the Wall Street Journal. George W. Bush and Cheny was sounding the alarm about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack and TO THIS DAY the Democrats will not do ONE thing about these institutions that this minute are giving horrible loans to people who can't pay them back! You need to educate yourself - you are so wrong. There are some things you can be subjective about -but you are factually incorrect about what brought us to this economic mess prior to the Obama administration. It was Barney Frank and his Democratic co-horts that demanded the lending institutions lower their standards. You are totally, factually incorrect!


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

HUBBERS

California has 2.9 illegal aliens, Arizona about 450,000 alien and the Mexican birth rate increased 27%.

Some interesting facts about the president and big business.

check it out.

The white house some time ago said that he was making erroneous statements about president Barack Obama and the administration. Many times he will comment that the red phone (telephone # )know only to the president has not rang as yet.

Glen Beck show is reporting explosive information that the main street press and media refuses to report to the public.

Silence by ABC, NBC CBS, CNN, MSNBC and others is typical of how they refuse to report any of the negatives of the Obama administration and the inner workings of Washington,

For example I wrote regarding finance reform and cap and trade

I caught Glen Beck on Fox News, he was exposing the questionable

relationships of Goldman Sachs( campaign funding to Barak

Obama and some Dem's $33 MILLION ),the unions ( SEIU

and the AFLCIO ),Frank Raines (took $90 million out of Fannie

Mae ),Joel Rodgers (the Apollo alliance group, they wrote the

Healthcare Reform bill for congress ),Al Gore ( investments in

the Chicago Climate Exchange),Joyce foundation (connections

with Barak Obama and Valerie Jarrett) and president Barack Obama.

GLEN BECK USED OLD ACTUAL NEWS CLIPS TO

SUPPORT THE ACCUSATIONS

There are many reasons as to why certain groups or people would like to silence Glen Beck. Speak out and seek the truth from the government before we end up like Europe.


druhepkins 6 years ago

Nan, you can't debate with made up minds steadfastly loyal to one perspective. I'm reading nothing but hate, rhetoric, fear mongering and blind loyalty to a guy who I admit was charismatic, but the fact remains he's still a dolt who shouldn't have been president.

tom hellert---here we go again. the man's name is Obama, not Osama. Not quite sure why you've dubbed a known terrorist plotting to destroy America. And Obama is not "my man". He's your president.

cvj123, outdoorsguy, it's exhausting. I have double the reading with these posts. I respect and research what you give me, and then immediately uncover why it all isn't true. We'll just agree to disagree.

Jon Ewall-The complusive lying, incessantly caught in those lies, Vicks Vapor Rub under the eyes (filmed all over youtube doing it) Glenn Beck as the source of information. I see now what I'm foolishly trying to contend with.


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

druhepkins

YOU SAID

Jon Ewall-The complusive lying, incessantly caught in those lies,

I RESPOND

Please can you illustrate some of the lies you accuse me of telling.

P S Should be very intersting for all hubbers.

I will be happy to do further research to your illustrations.


SueDoeNim 6 years ago

Dalai Lama-there are pictures all over the net regarding Obama and the Dalai Lama. Same pictures can be found of Eisenhower bowing to foreign leaders (at least neither vomited on foreign leaders, that belongs to Bush). Yeah, he smokes. A lot of people in this country smoke. It's legal. You can drive while smoking. You know what you can't do? You can't drink and drive. Ask Bush.

CVJ, how about links to the deficit Bush handed Obama? Or the lack of tax dollars lost by Bush's tax cuts? Or the jobs and economy those tax cuts were supposed to create? Or a credible link to a WMD? I can give you the link to the treasury that shows how Bush doubled the publicly held debt while he was in office.

Obama's biggest donor was University of CA, 1.5 million, Goldman Sachs $994k, Harvard $854k, Microsoft, Google, to name a few. What's completely duplicitous is that it appears that some would have us think it was the company who gave the money when it was clearly the individuals who work for the companies that gave the money. It's also duplicitous to think that people who work for these companies don't give to both parties. That would be a complete falsehood.

Elwall, I'd be more concerned about why the MSM isn't reporting the Gulf oil volcano. It's a month later and nothing has been solved. It's scary to think an oil company has both the government and the entertainment media so at bay. Where's the accountability?


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

you mean the 433 billion dollar defict bush left his last year in office, as opposed to the 1.4 trillion Obama racked up his first year. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8296079.stm

lets see job loss under Obama is second only to jobs lost under Herbert Hoover.

I notice that when Bush took office, and the economy began to slide his first few months. it was his fault.. Obama takes office and the economy crashes its Bushes fault. Hmmmm double standard maybe.

Sorry Charley.. the Blame lies in the lap of Obama and the Democrat congress, some of the fault lies with Clinton for getting rid of the last of the thirtys protection bills, some with Bush, but the Democrat congress pushed thru the bills that led to the collapse and Obamas actions just caused it to Cascade.

But notice how bush didnt castigate clinton, nor throw out accusations against congress he just did his job. Obama and the left just chant Bush did it, no matter what happens.. Im pretty sure that some one out there is claiming bush swam out to the oil rig and blew it up so Obama would look bad.

so Bush still has class, as opposed to Obama who crys Bush at every turn. Hmm new childrens story.. the Boy who cried bush. of maybe the Obama and the little train that said no.


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Diane Inside 6 years ago

I wish I could write about such subjects as this and be as informative and forthright as you. I am happy that you can. I agree with you. I have always felt there was something not right with this man since he started running for office. I hope you stay inspired to write about these matters as you see fit. Wonderful job.


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TinaMarieTad 6 years ago from Michigan

CJV123~~ Great Hub...Hello fellow Michigander! I second your sentiments about this President! He is classless. His wife is classless, and they are both disgrace to America. I find it horrible the changes that are being made with this administration and am embarassed that we have a person such as Obama representing this great Country! It is fearful to me to think of what America will be at the end of this term. I am praying for a one term Obama Presidency!


druhepkins 6 years ago

Jon Ewall- Make no mistake, I would never attack any hubber stating a "researched" opinion by calling them a liar, and I wouldn’t serve you with such an attack. Even if your researching for facts in a trash can. Lair, maybe not. Misinformed, absolutely. I only challenged and questioned the source of your research--GLENN BECK. You keep referring to him. That is who I CLEARLY called a liar, not you. Glenn Beck is a compulsive lying clown. When he was ripped apart by the ladies on the view (except Hasslebeck) and exposed for who and what he is, Joy Beyhar asked him as a newsman isn’t he supposed to fact check his information. Backed into a corner and forced to explain his proven false info, he deflected by saying he isn’t a news reporter, he’s a news “commentator”. That’s classic Glenn Beck.

Here’s a few more from a yahoo blogger named “Slightly Dark Francis”:

In June Beck lied and said that the US was the ONLY country that had a natural birthright provision. Here is the list of other countries that do:

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/

Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

Glenn Beck lied when he said that $1.4 million of stimulus money was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million, it was only $246,000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding.

Jon, I can really post Glenn Beck lies and distortions of truth all day long. You really can’t see as I do, that men such as Beck and Hannity edit and twist their “news” toward their liking? Beck makes people red in the face angry over things he makes up and aren’t even true. I think that’s criminal. We have a scary pattern in the country of letting known charlatans gain popularity and influence, mainly because there are people who “want” to believe there doctored information.

I’m not even a democrat, or heavily in favor of everything Obama says. I just keep my head clear and my eyes wide open when it comes to all things especially politics and what I decide to believe. Everyone here seems to want ME to check my facts and research the truth of what I believe. But I’m not the one with made up mind opinions. I could only ask that everyone search themselves and do the same.


SueDoeNim 6 years ago

@outdoorsguy, of course it climbed. That's what happens when you start bleeding jobs because of the previous administration ineptness to fix Clinton's wrong doings (NAFTA). You seem to have missed this critical portion too. "The surging deficit was put down to increased government spending and a big drop in tax revenues." Not only is paying for a war he didn't start (Afghanistan now cost more than Iraq), but he's getting less tax revenue. By the way, Clinton also upped the PHD at one point but we all know that in the end, he paid it down. Something no one has done in recent memory.

Everyone knows the current economic situation is Obama's inheritance, not his doing. I challenge you to show me actual policy that has effected the job creation scenario negatively.

Are you joking about Bush not blaming Clinton? You don't remember all the right wing fueled comments regarding and out and out lies about the missing "w" keys from all the keyboards? What exactly would Bush blame Clinton for? Leaving him a healthy economy? A surplus? Paying down the debt? Passing along memos regarding OBL?


druhepkins 6 years ago

And kkk, surprisingly I have to agree with cvj123---very interesting name to say the least. Not sure about that one but its your world. Anyway, I do appreciate your support. I almost didn’t see you there at all amidst the crowd, in which I’m not very popular.

You simply asked if she honestly thought Bush(the former C student, class clown and drunk) was a better president than Obama (the former Harvard Law president and community organzer). What you got was another hateful burst of more of the real issues bubbling without a direction in her subconcious and words like real "racist", "for the oppressed" "elitist", were spit out like venom, none of which answered your question but is telling none the less. Thanks again very much.

FYI-Jon, one of my Beck links up top is incorrect. Regardless, probably the easiest thing to find on the web is pages unravelling Becks bold face lies, including the now famous youtube reel of him applying Vapor Rub under his eyes and goofing about it right before he was about to lie to us on camera and fake it. Knock yourself out---the stuffs all over the place. The real challenge is finding clips where he is accually accurate and telling the truth. Keep quoting him and getting your "facts" from his programs if you wish.


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Very much on target. I am appalled often by the actions of this president. He will have accomplished something however at the end of all of this...

He will have effectively replaced Jimmy Carter as the worst president in recent U.S. history.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Druhepkins - this is my hub and you're not disliked - certainly not by me - you are welcomed here. You are being very civil and as long as you remain so, you are most welcomed at any of my Hubs and I mean that sincerely.

Now - I just got back from a Christian woman's conference - it was great but I'm exhausted. I'll try to get back on here tomorrow after church.

I do have to call you out Dru on one thing though - I suggest you do not make fun of George Bush's grades. His grade point average in Yale was HIGHER than John Kerry's grades were at Yale. It is a total myth that the man is in idiot. He isn't. If you call him an idiot, and you voted for Kerry...well...you fill in the rest of my sentence there.

Anyone who flames or is profane or vulgar to my new friend Druhepkins here will have their comments deleted. I love that you all are coming here, but if my invited guests are attacked - I will be forced to delete. Keep it civil folks and we can keep this going indefinitely. Druhepkins is remaining remarkably patient and civil given he is in the minority on this Hub.

I thank you ALL very much for honoring me with your time and comments. Shout out to TinaMarieTad - MICHIGAN ROCKS!!


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Joshua Kell 6 years ago from Arizona

Great Hub! This guy needs to be impeached. It is amazing to read your readers comments, and how fervent people's feelings are over this one. I think Obama is doing a very good job sinking this country, according to the illuminist dream. The White House has had many scoundrels in it, but this dude takes the cake.


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

SueDoeNim 2 days ago

First let me say.. the surplus never existed. it was a projected surplus and before it could even come into existence. Congress spent it. Not Bush.

"Everyone knows the current economic situation is Obama's inheritance, not his doing. I challenge you to show me actual policy that has effected the job creation scenario negatively."

Your kidding right. do you honestly have no clue how bills impact the business and the Job Market. heres a big one... Minimum wage raise. as soon as the new rate took affect layoffs started in the smaller business sector.

How about the Health care bill. some companys have already laid off people citing the Health care bill as the reason.

I wont even bother to argue that one with you. Im sure your smart enough to know that bills affect jobs. and that its been in the news quite a bit this last year.

" Are you joking about Bush not blaming Clinton? You don't remember all the right wing fueled comments regarding and out and out lies about the missing "w" keys from all the keyboards? What exactly would Bush blame Clinton for? Leaving him a healthy economy? A surplus? Paying down the debt? Passing along memos regarding OBL?"

first Right wingers insulting Clinton is not George Bush.

I guess all the insults slung at bush, War criminal, Murder, Drunk, cokehead, SLime.. calls for his Assassination. were class acts right.

Healthy economy.. perhaps you dont remember the country staggered into Recession towards the end of 2000. large scale layoffs... any of that ring a bell. Bush gets elected. and Viola its his fault. it bottomed in march, tax cuts passed, it started to rise..slowly. then sept 11th and it slammed down again.. then a slow steady rise for the rest of the Bush Presidency.

and that Recessionis what I was refering to which I made the assumption I was responding to an informed public.

oh little side note, it was the Republican congress who proposed and passed the bills that " balanced the Budget" and to do what little they actually did had to toss almost all of clintons spending plans. in fact during clintons presidency. thanks to inflation the military budget fell by 100 billion dollars but social spending rose by 300 billion.

and to this day social spending is far higher than the military budget.

in truth there was no balanced budget. since the deficit never fell and instead continues to rise to this day. so if the defict never fell how could there be no national Debt or a balance budget.

and my point you so adriotly ignored.. Bush took over and was blamed for the recession that started under clinton, the economic indicators for the beginning of the recession were actually tracked as far back as 98. then Obama takes office, and the economy slams down. and its still bushes fault. in other words, Liberals will blame republicans no matter whose fault it may be. and to be fair some conservatives will blame liberals no matter whose fault it is as well. this recession is directly caused by Insane bills and deregulation.

this in turn is spurred on by BOs rhetoric, note how the stock market falters after almost every speech Obama gives.

the Presidents words carry weight, and there are actions and reactions depending on what he says.

and currently 18 months into Obamas Presidency he isnt man enough to say the buck stops here. instead he and the rest of you are BUSH BUSH BUSH.

in short the point to this hub is that Obama fails consistently to act with class and basic manners. where as G.w. Bush carried himself with dignity, and class even when some were screaming at him at speeches or even throwing shoes at him.

every president has a bad day, even G.W. but Obama Makes up for the days every other president missed. Parse it anyway you want to. but when a President issues threats and insults against Citizens, business, Leaders of allied nations, insinuates that the country he leads is a criminal nation. He is an abject failure as President and a Danger to the Nation.

funny thing about this.. I wasnt a big fan of George Bush and Im now defending him. some where pigs are flying, hell froze over and some one actually finds my ex demon in law attractive.

oh how the worm turns LOL


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Outdoors guy - thank you SO much for writing about the things I wanted to write about but haven't had the time. It is a COMPLETE myth that there was a surplus under Bill Clinton. IN FACT - as you write - It was a PROJECTED surplus - it never happened - it was merely conjecture. But you hear this over and over from liberals and Democrats.

That keyboard thing - WHAT? Let's visit the FACTS. The Clinton administration LITERALLY - like thugs - TRASHED the White House and did things to the computers that broke keyboards -- causing them all to be replaced. The Clintons also stole things that didn't belong to them. The Bush administration was very quiet about this - never went public - the news leaked out eventually though. Mr. Bush NEVER went to any podium and blamed Mr. Clinton for ANYTHING ever - not like this President did! Mr. Clinton never even did such a thing about the former President Bush H. NO President ever has trashed, blamed - even said disparaging things about - while they were President to the public. ONLY Mr. Obama. Let's stick with the facts here -- but facts are things that liberals unfortunately can't handle!

Thanks so much for hitting on the key points - you're SPOT ON!


SueDoeNim 6 years ago

CJV and Outdoorsman, in 98, it was 69 billion and 99 123 billion. That's not debatable. That's fact. It's written fact by the treasury. In 99, he had paid down the Publicly held debt, 1.7 trillion from the time he had taken office. This is all a matter of public record on the treasury website. You are aware of that site, right? The one that shows Bush DOUBLING all total debt when he was in office?

Minimum wage bill happened under Bush in 2007. You do realize that, right?

As for any budgetary issues collected into a group of laws by congress, we ALL know who has the final say or the final veto and that's the President.

As for the military budget falling, cry me a river. We have more military than the next 8 militaries COMBINED. I prefer to care for our children, then attack innocent countries killing their children. That's just me though apparently. Seems the right wing contingency only cares about white fetus's.

Secondly, the 1st recession under Bush started March 2001, not 2000. That's what the Bush White House put out itself. Only the uniformed, much as you posture regarding Obama's recession personally, believed it wasn't the prior presidents fault. It's obvious that with NAFTA and the dot com bubble bursting we were headed for a recession. However that was a short lived recession, not the almost depression we have today that the Republican congress and Bush did nothing to stem. Why not repeal NAFTA? Reinstate Glass-Steagall? Not approve banks becoming huge? Instead they do a press stunt in the name S-OX.

I don't remember Obama specifically naming Bush. Perhaps you can point that out for me in the way of an actual, factual link? I'm guessing not, because we know it took the whole of the government to get us where we are. Of course trillion dollar needless wars don't help, that was Bush's doing.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

SueDoNim - First of all, how rude you are. Second of all - ah YES - I in fact not only have heard of that public record you called "the Treasury" - I linked to it as a matter-of-fact - in my comments just above yours - if you had bother to read just a bit above your own comments. http://www.federalbudget.com/HistoricalTables.pdf

It's actually called "The Federal Budget." But let's not quibble about those kinds of facts. http://www.federalbudget.com/HistoricalTables.pdf in case you forgot to read it in the paragraph above. You seem to busy shooting off your "mouth" and not taking the actual time to research what it is you're spouting about.

To be clear --- The Clinton surplus NEVER EXISTED - by THAT document - it was a projection only. Here's an article for your edification that ALSO LINKS TO THE FEDERAL BUDGET and explains what was done (so you're not just looking at charts) website:http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

It spells out this non-existent budget surplus. It was all on paper it never existed. Read the article, then do your homework and follow the budget link. I don't know what "Treasury" report you read - but my link (I notice you never provided a link) is the real one.

And no one here wrote anything regarding the military budget falling. The discussion began with someone commenting that the Bush wars put us into economic collapse. I linked - above - to the Federal budget and told him, factually he was incorrect - that Defense budgetary numbers were only a fraction of the "Human Resource" figures - so following his logic - if he claimed the was so expensive and it was what caused our economic woes - then he'd have to follow the facts and admit - he was wrong - it was the "Human Resource" spending of our federal budget that cause it. Those number are almost four times PER YEAR what was spent on the defense of our country. Read - don't skim and you won't look so foolish.

And are you KIDDING ME about Mr. Obama not constantly blaming the Bush administration???? You are kidding, right? You've never heard of "We inherited a mess" or "The mess we inherited was bigger than we thought" mantra from Mr. Obama and his ilk??? Where do you live, on Mars? It's common knowledge that Mr. Obama has said on numerous occasions that he "inherited a mess" from the previous administration.

And the minimum wage bill was put into law BY A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS. Mr. Bush didn't raise the minimum wage - Congress did - a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS. Here is Nancy Pelosi bragging about it in 2007 - TAKING FULL CREDIT FOR IT - on her OWN web site: http://www.speaker.gov/issues?id=0037

Before you so obnoxiously come here and sputter your made-up "facts" I suggest you take each point and back it up.

And if you want to come back on here again - you had better change your tone and be civil, or you'll be deleted. Fair warning.


druhepkins 6 years ago

Thank you cvj123, I appreciate that. Wasn’t quite what I expected and it actually brought a smile to my face knowing that a lot of people are good natured, a lot more a like than realized and want the same things, but differ with a lot of earth bound walls. I’m sure you’re a very nice person. So yes, cordiality and decency sustained, we’re 2 folks just tossing around different perspectives.

But back to my comment about Bush being a C student---it does matter to me only for him. For me, he needed something going for him on his resume, so to speak, because he never had much which was everyone‘s clue for the worst to come. I wouldn’t hold his grades against him if he had something else to boast of, but he doesn’t. He turned his life around late in life---which is never too late and always commendable, but he entered the world of politics with no proven track record of anything. Clown in school, all his businesses and business ventures failed, and Daddy Bush and the family always bailed him out. If he wasn't born a "Bush", politically he wouldn't exist.

I didn’t really like Kerry all that much either but I still thought him better than Bush. At least Kerry was a leader in school as a young man and not clowning around. If forced to pick between Shaggy and Scooby-do, I’m going to have to go with Shaggy. I didn’t vote passionately that year.

Anyway, I don’t hate Bush. No one voluntarily wants a bad presidency. I just don’t believe in him, his presidency or his horrible administration with vampires like Cheney making things worse for us. I can list for days how things were worst after his arrival.


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

SueDoenim

"Secondly, the 1st recession under Bush started March 2001, not 2000. That's what the Bush White House put out itself. Only the uniformed, much as you posture regarding Obama's recession personally, believed it wasn't the prior presidents fault."

by 2000 the economy was starting to slide into Recession and the warnings began by dec 2000 even though the signs had been evident for two years.

By November 2000 US Industrial production output had fallen for a second month, There was a decline in 3rd quarter profits, Consumer sales fell with the sharpest decline in Auto sales. There began to be layoffs by December 14 microsoft announce its first profits warning. Followed by Dell, Compaq, gateway, intel, HW and advanced micro devices.

for well over a year Clinton and the rest, including republicans hid the real economy from the public. declining numbers, rising deficit. Rising unemployment.

20 dec 2000

“ Tuesday, the Federal Reserve Board's policy-making committee met and warned that present conditions “may generate economic weakness in the foreseeable future.” The Federal Open Market Committee stated, “the drag on demand and profits from rising energy prices, as well as eroding consumer confidence, reports of substantial shortfalls in sales and earnings and stress in some segments of the financial markets, suggest that economic activity may be slowing further.” ”

source-http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/dec2000/econ-d20...

“The economic slowdown underscores the deceptive character of the campaigns of Bush and Democratic candidate Al Gore, who both concealed from the American people the extent of the looming economic crisis. Instead they based their promises on false projections of an expanding economy and continued budget surpluses. Whatever meager spending proposals were made for education, health care and Social Security will now be scrapped.”

source-http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/dec2000/econ-d20...

and I do happen to believe NAFTA should be scrapped

Do a little research... the real Economic Data is available.

For some fun reading check out the 1994 change in the unemployment figures.

As of this week, the unadjusted Unemployment is 21.9 percent and rising. where as the Adjusted reported rate is about 9.2 nation wide.

CJv sorry didnt mean to hijack your Hub, and turn it into an economics debate.


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

druhepkins

sorry should have added this to my last post. I dont dislike you. no reason to. I may not agree with you on some things but that doesnt mean I find you obnoxious or Dislike you.

so hope you have a good day.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Dru - I hope I can call you that for short. I get what you're saying. I really do. And for the record - I have a dear, close friend whose brother works for the Kerrys and has worked closely for many years. He says he is treated very, very well by them. Just FYI.

Glad I brought a smile to your face - everything I said was sincere. I won't tolerate any profanity or vulgarity though and both sides do that from time to time - I do find - at least with visits to this Hub - and what I've observed - it is those on the left who are profane much more often. Obviously, you are not. I'm glad too - because you truly give thoughtful and intelligent comments. I love that you come here! It's like FOX NEWS! LOL! Liberals I love to listen to! I don't usually agree - but I will always listen and consider what they've said - as it is with you!

Now - respectfully I ask you something. I absolutely see what you're saying about George W. Bush - however - I'm honestly flummoxed about something. He definitely was a child of previdge. However - how can you ignore the fact he was governor of Texas - one of the largest states in the entire U.S.? He did a very good job. Not a perfect job - but he did an excellent job when you look at his bipartisan record in that state. To say he had no experience is really not true. Not accusing you of lying at all. It's just something that is overlooked by those who dismiss his presidency so often. How can that be?

Which brings me to Mr. Obama - what was his experience to run this country???


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Outdoorsguy! Once again - YOU ARE SPOT ON! Keep it coming!!!!


druhepkins 6 years ago

Outdoorsguy--no offense taken and we’re cool. We all tend to get passionate at times, but I don’t think its anyone’s intention to be vicious or mean-spirited. Hope all is going well for you also.

Cvj123, yes you can call me Dru. And I agree, different perspectives on these hubs definitely make the hubs better and much more compelling! I appreciate your cordiality so in turn, I’m happy to be as open and honest with you as possible. I challenge others to be straight, and I do so myself as well. Here goes..

I’ll admit that as an African-American (I'm really Carribean but you get it), I was initially proud that Obama was running and that’s what drew me to him at first. Regardless of personal issues, I still ALWAYS vote for who I feel is the best man or woman. So it wasn’t just him being African-American---Chris Rock made a funny joke saying “we wouldn’t be behind Flava Flav if he was running”. But Obama also appeared to be the better man who deserved to win. This was a rare occasion in American history and it was actually the shared, international perspective. He’s seemed to be “the” choice.

Before I jumped on a bandwagon and backed him, I wanted to make sure he was the real deal before he won my support. There were “Obamaniacs” running around I wasn’t going to ride that train. I wanted to know if he was in fact someone I could believe in and vote for.

I started reading and digging things up about him and McCain, and I was more impressed with him. He has a very interesting story and he’s self built. He lived all around the world and has such a rich and unique perspective. He didn’t just get accepted to Harvard Law, he became its President. He didn’t just move to Chicago and get with some law firm to make money, and he easily could‘ve, he went and became the Community Organizer for very little money and helped turn the town around. People there are still talking about his impact. He united several churches in the area on several projects and he was excellent. It was there where people started to see him as a leader and pushed him, not so much him putting that crown on his own head. Then he became Senator. I attended a wedding and there was a wealthy Australian doctor, the father of the groom, who said he was part of a group that was instrumental in pushing Obama to step up and they wanted to back him monetarily. I’ll never forget the pleased and proud look on his face when he was telling me about him. He knew him. People asked and wanted Obama to be a leader. He had a presence and the people around him believed in him. That’s important to me.

If nothing else, everyone had to admit Obama had a track record that pointed upward. I think he deserved a chance and our support. Of course, the democratic party realized he was a star and the politics came into play as expected, but I still supported him.

Also, this was a period in which experience let us down, and experience ran a horrendous campaign (McCain). Obama seemed intelligent, smooth, fresh and competent. His oratory skills and plans confirmed that. McCain wasn’t proposing anything and was just attacking him.

In a nutshell, I don’t see him as someone to be reviled, he’s an American success story. It’s an exceptional story. In my gut I can’t help but feel that tearing him down sends the wrong message to younger generations looking up to him: Work hard, strive for excellence, and then get torn to shreds by politics and opinions. I still see him as a hard worker who wants to win. If people worked with him with bipartisan cooperation we could probably get a lot done.

I just don’t see him as this big scary threat to our country the way some people do. I know you can't solve all our problems in a year. But I voted for him because I believed in him. It still hasn’t been that long. Now I’m just giving him a reasonable amount of time and time will tell how effective a president he is. Not premature opinions.

I'm so sorry for the book! I was just freewriting


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

As long as Hubpages lets you write long comments, again, your comments are welcomed here Dru - long short or otherwise. I really enjoy hearing from you and having your comments here.

I'm going to think longer about what you wrote before I reply. It's getting late here on the east coast, and I just watched the last installment of "24" ever (we DVR'd it). I'm going to have to take an anti-depressant...(kidding, I don't take those really...) sleep on what you wrote and give you a well thought out answer. Thank you for taking the time to give us your thoughts. I really appreciate everything you've written and want to think this through before answering.


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jiberish 6 years ago from florida

Cjv123, I'm not sure if it's a lack of class or outright arrogance, but I read that BO will not be visiting Arlington on Memorial day because he will be on vacation in Chicago, he will however give a few words there right before they are wisked off to the Paul McCarney concert. Oh did I mention that he will make time for a few rounds of golf also. Does he love America? I say he loves the limelight and the perks of filling in as an acting president until 2012.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Jiberish -I didn't know that about him giving a "few words." Well whoop-dee-do!

Thanks for stopping by!


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

you know.. as a vet, from a family of veterans, whose Father was killed in combat JUl 4 1969. I have only this to say. Shame Mr. Obama. You could take an hour of your busy damn schedule to appear at Arlington and show the respect the president of the United States is supposed to show to those who gave their lives to this Country.

SHAME.


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johnshade 6 years ago from Pandora

To be honest if anyone disliked a president enough you can write something like this for any other president every president has a longlist of moments of being unclassy as you put it.

From the comments it seems some of the hatred or dislike comes from his ethnicity e.g. one referred to him as a thug and secondly comments about his birth,Its a bit ignorant as he wouldnt be allowed to be president if he wasnt American, dont remember any other president needing to show thier birth certificate.

For the record he was 100% right on the police comment, the police arrested the professor on no grounds/ evidence and it turns out he was innocent, America has a long history and reputation on arresting and shooting innocent people based on race.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

johnshade - let me just correct you right here, right now. If ANYONE said anything racist about anyone, the President, or anyone - I'd delete them. You may make inferences all you like - but you're being ignorant. You have ZERO - absolutely ZERO proof that anyone is being a racist or even ALLUDING to remarks with a racist intent. This has NOTHING to do with Mr. Obama's race - oh the liberals would LOVE for this to be all about race because there would be NO TEETH to all the criticisms of this President and it wouldn't affect his numbers. What a stupid, stupid thing to say. On inauguration day, this President had THE highest ratings/numbers of any President in history at that time ever. Right - all of a sudden we got our "racist" on and NOTICED he was black - that's why we all "hate" him now. If you want to continue this line of garbage, don't come back here. If you want to make a comment, make some intelligent arguments like others who disagree here or GET LOST. I won't tolerate anyone slinging baseless mud around my Hub - not as long as I have a delete button.


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

you know Johnshade... He was wrong, totally absolutetly wrong. in fact ive been in the same situation. Locked my keys in the house. " stupid I know, even the dogs gave me the cant believe you did that LOOK" so I attempted entry thru a window. while I was doing my amatuer burglar routine, some one saw me and called the cops.

I had to prove I lived there before they would leave. nothing racist in the Police response. and nothing racist about the Professors situation. in Fact.. one of the Two officers at the scene. was an African American who didnt believe that his partner had stepped over the line.

Get a Grip. Im tired of the Race card. the word no longer seems to hold the emotion it once held now thats being screamed once an hour for the last year and four months.

I mean for real.. I dont like your opinion, or you dont like my candidate. your a racist.

just to be helpful.. heres the definition so you know when to use it.

rac·ism

Pronunciation: \?r?-?si-z?m also -?shi-\

Function: noun

Date: 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

CJV thanks for a good hub. I also like how its remained relatively polite. despite differences of opinion LOL.


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johnshade 6 years ago from Pandora

I never said anyone was being racist, prejudice is different from being racist. I think some of the comments are prejudice NOT racist.

I'm sorry but referring to him as a thug (stereotyping) and birth certificate is certainly prejudice.

Prejudice doesn't only mean race, prejudice means stereotyping, irrational feelings, and a long list, its not a crime to be prejudice and its not an insult, im just voicing my opinion.

please read my comment again I never referred to anyone being racist. you used that word not me obviously you misunderstood me.

I think the comment referring to him as a thug is a inaccurate stereotype.

I think the controversy surrounding his birth is based on his ethnicity.

And for the police case its my opinion, I think arresting someone with no evidence is a stupid thing.

I was referring to some of the comments being prejudice not the hub.

I never said you disliked Obama because of his race, lots of people dislike him for a number of reasons, in the first paragraph of my first comment the point i was making is

'every president has their share of unclassy moments'. any one could right a hub of good things or bad, it just depends how much you like or dislike the person.


druhepkins 6 years ago

outdoorsguy- Obama didn't say the cops were racist, he said they acted stupidly---and they did.

Of course they were doing their job to check him out and see if he lived there. But they strayed from doing their job by finding out he did live there, then arresting him out of his own property because they didn't like his attitude. I know great cops and I know dangerous cops. And I know good and bad cops who make bad decisions. Sometimes people get carried away with the concept of authority and make decisions that are wrong, bullying, and against our rights.

There is nothing to debate about this. Professor Gates should not have been hand cuffed and dragged to jail. Who cares about race. Whether it was racist or not---doesn't matter. I tend to think it has less to do about race and more about abusing authority to teach him a lesson.

Lastly, sometimes people don't realize racism because outwardly they don't consider themselves racist or someone who makes racist decisions. And they probably might not be racist in many cases. But the officer probably wouldn't do that to a white man the same age as professor Gates. He most likely woudn't arrest someone in the physcological semblence of a father or uncle or older white man who wasn't a criminal and has never been to jail. There are physycological rammifications.

johnshade--I agree with you 100%


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

johnshade - referring to Mr. Obama as a thug is a reference to his Chicago Style of politics. Black or white, Chicago politics is famous or infamous for their mafia-style of doing politics.

His birth certificate indicates "prejudice?" What are you talking about?

Next time, when you come into a conversation for the first time and throw around words like "prejudice" you should make crystal clear what you're talking about. Doesn't anyone have any manners anymore?!?

I get this all the time - and am shocked by it! You walk in here - not a "How do you do" but immediately hammer the Hub or the author of the Hub or those who comment - as if your comments were INVITED. They are not invited. The invitation is for people to leave courteous remarks. If you wish to disagree - then common courtesy would dictate you use COMMON COURTESY.

You go throwing around the word "prejudice" you best explain yourself.

Now enlighten me -what in the world by referring to Mr. Obama's birth certificate makes that a "prejudice" remark??? I'm at a total loss...


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johnshade 6 years ago from Pandora

What im trying to say is people were skeptical about his nationality because of his ethnicity.

Im sorry your offended by the term prejudice. Prejudice is not an insult or offensive term.

I didn't think a 'greeting' was necessary to join what i thought was an open discussion obviously I was wrong

We have different opinion on the meaning of referring to a black man as a thug.

You only see my comment as 'rude' because you dont agree with it.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

I'm SO with you Outdoorsguy! SO with you! I'm sick to death that the race card gets pulled every time someone says something negative about Mr. Obama's leadership. It gets pulled to much period and waters down the actual racist issues. It's like the boy who cried wolf. People just start to turn their eyes into the back of their head. When it's really there and stares them in the face - it's so overused people just want to close their ears to it.

Mr. Obama definitely more than alluded to it in his statements before the public regarding the police officer and professor. Mr. Obama did in fact pull the race card - the only one acting stupid in this case was him opening his mouth before he knew the facts: "I don’t know – not having been there and not seeing all the facts – what role race played in that, but I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two that [t]he Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home," Obama said in response to a question from the Chicago Sun-Times's Lynn Sweet." He pulled the race card allright.

Dru - you do have a point. Excessive force probably was the case - but according to the evidence - it had nothing to do with race.

And Dru - we also agree that racism hides in all sorts of places. There's all sorts of layers of it and degrees of it. I've lived in many places of the United States and Europe. You want to take prejudice/racism - live in Germany in the early 1980's...

I've also lived in the south. There's places in the north where Bubbas live and are racists. There's racism right in my own neighborhood.

It's there - but it's definitely getting smaller and at least most of those who are KNOW they're wrong and are ashamed - as they should be. I prefer to see the glass as half full, not half empty as -- we are gaining strides. There is more to go - but we're getting there.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

I was being facetious johnshade: this is open to the public but the fact is - you still are someone coming into a discussion that you are in disagreement with most of those commenting and you came for the first time. You should be careful before getting into deeper issues or the very least - if you hit on deep issues then you should clearly, VERY CLEARLY explain yourself especially when treading on very sensitive territory. That's all I was trying to convey. Fair?


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

okay.. just reread Johns post. Sorry I took ethnicity to mean Racist.. My apologies.

"I mean for real.. I dont like your opinion, or you dont like my candidate. your a racist."

Let me clarify this sentence. it should have read I mean for real... when someone says I dont like your opinion, or you dont like my candidate. your racist" did not mean to imply your, me or any one else. just that Im tired of hearing that kind of sentiment..

druhepkins I dont think I said Obama is racist. if I implied Im sorry about that. I was attempting in a bad way to state im tired of people who screamed the whole situation was racist. and your right Obama did say it was stupid.

see this is ( hopefully) my faux pau of the week LOL.

though I agree that there are bad cop, and good cops. and cops drunk on their own power.

I grew up in the south. and Racism means something totally different to me than what most people use it for. when I hear Racism. I see in my mind the frothing at the mouth morons. who have become the popular sterotype over the years. I grew up around some of those folks, and I have them to thank for seeing it for what it is. cruelty, stupdity and passing the blame to every one but the cuase for their percieved problems.

and John I wont deny there are Prejudice cops either. People are people even with a badge.

so again sorry about any confusion my badly worded reply my have caused. we now return to our regularly scheduled program.


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johnshade 6 years ago from Pandora

I acknowledge the fine line between prejudice and racism. I understand why you got defensive about the term, clearly i could have used a better word.

but i just want to make clear im not accusing anyone of racism. And i honestly didn't know prejudice was an offensive term.

I'm British so maybe i express my self differently, so I apologise if you were offended by the term. I never commented on a big discussion so i will take your advice on a friendlier approach.

It a topic that's driven by passionate opinions so no animosity from me.

This is to cjv123 and outdoorsguy, and anyone else whom misunderstood me.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

OK - I was using my stern "teacher tone" there johnshade. I love the UK - my sister-in-law is originally from the UK. My daughter is a Nanny for a CIO of a huge corporation - he's UK. I'm a Jane Austin freak and have a BA in BRITISH Literature -- LOL!

You are most welcomed and now that you've explained yourself no offense taken. I understand. I probably came down a tad to hard anyway. It's something in the U.S. that is used by liberals/Democrats and the "left" as we call them here or lately they are also known as "progressives."

I'm sorry if I came off as to harsh - just protecting my little chick-a-dees here! ;-)

I run a "tight ship" - I'm a former New Yorker - an Italian New Yorker at that. I can be very blunt and to the point sometimes and sometimes I over do it as that is my passionate (as in emotional) side!

Please - come on in. You offer very thoughtful words and again - you are most welcome to keep posting.


jandee 6 years ago

cjv123 hello, I came upon your page by pure accident and I must say I find it very 'thin ice'. A line of absolute malice re. your president is very obvious throughout your writing and lots of the comments left....I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity of finding a couple of 'Diamonds'i.e druhepkins,johnshade


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ru blog 6 years ago from Anchorage, Alaska

The classlesss nature of the Obama administration is overall arrogance. The reason for this is their complete lack of ability. Obama, and everyone he has surrounded himself with, have only been interested in gaining power, not how to actually do the job. This is evidenced by the unfocused massive legislation thrown at problems thus far in the term.

I enjoyed your article. You may enjoy mine called "Political Boon Doggle."


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

jandee - walk a mile in my shoes - the mother of a soldier in Afghanistan. The wife of a husband who less than a year ago - spent a year in Iraq. Walk in the shoes of my daughter-in-law Kristen who a few weeks after their first baby was born had to say good-bye to her husband.

The main job of the United States President is to be Commander in Chief. I feel it is my duty as an American who loves this country to criticize a President who is not only completely incompetent as Commander but also as President. I feel I must do my part - small though it may be - to make certain he is a one-term President. I tell it like it is. I am not ashamed of that.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Ru Blog - exactly, VERY insightful and well put. I will go straight over to your Hub and read what you wrote! Thanks for stopping by and please come back again!


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

Thin ice.. Sorry Jandee its called Freedom of Speech. a basic fundamental right in our constitution. I hear China and many places in the Middle east arent so fond of that right.


Vernie 6 years ago

OMG!! You people really exist!!! Heaven help us all!!!!!!!


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outdoorsguy 6 years ago from Tenn

wow vernie.. thats really insightfull. what scares you most. that we have rights or that some of us believe in them and think the president should not only set a better standard than the rest of us but also keep his promises. transparent government comes to mind.

Not using bribery as a political tool ranks high up on the list of better off not doing.

So yes we exist. and praying all ways helps. thanks LOL


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hglick 6 years ago from Ronkonkoma, NY

cjv, I can't believe it!! I finally found a hub that covers everything that I have been thinking since this idealogue came into office. Not only do I love this blog, but your answers are well referenced and thought out. At this point in time, I believe the only defense for supporting this agenda driven product of Chicago politics and Saul Alinsky is the fact that people refuse to research the facts. Instead they listen only to mainstream media outlets and cable news outlets like MSLSD and CNN (The Clinton News network). They spew hatred for Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Fox News, Sarah Palin, George Bush. Yet when pressed to respond to questions like "When did you last listen to Rush Limbaugh?" Their answer is alway something like "I can't listen to that hatemonger" I would then ask "Well, then where did you come upon your opinion of him, If you never listen?" They would say "Everyone knows what he is"

This is what happens to Left wing koolade drinkers. They behave just like their leaders. They are driven by an agenda, and refuse to get the facts. Fortunately these leaders should not be around much longer.

Thanks again for a great read. This blog should definitely be bookmarked by everyone, who truly wants to know what caused the mess we're in.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

hglick - thanks so much - I was just writing to a Hubpages friend - at least if I make a mistake - someone shows me a primary source or a credible source and shows me I'm mistaken, I admit it. You can show a liberal facts - they just go off on another tangent and later, spout exactly their original idea. It happened here. One actually very nice guy - said "Bush's war is what put this economy in the state it's in." I want to the National budget page on the White House web site. I sent him the link that showed him that wasn't true. They had the numbers going back to the 1960's. The portion of the federabl budget that goes towards our National Defense since the way began has been about 1/4 what we spend on Human Services i.e. Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid etc. This came out of Obama's White House and his answer was, "You can always make numbers say what you want, even fixed numbers."

Huh???????? I am just stunned sometimes by their "faith based" beliefs. They make fun of us -- the low lifes who turn to our "guns and our religion" when they are the ones who follow this stuff blindly.

Thanks for stopping by! Come again!!!


C.J. Wright 6 years ago

Well done.


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CJamesIII 5 years ago from Minneapolis, MN

It is amazing to me that the Republicans and conservatives can never admit that Bush Jr. was the worst lack of leader this country has ever seen. Oppression is never ok! I am always amazed by stupidity. Bush and his cronies screwed up this country, not Obama, get your facts straight. Since you brought up the class issue, what about Dick Cheney and Karl Rove, they are equivalent to Hitler or Pol Pot.


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cjv123 5 years ago from Michigan Author

Right CJamesIII very rational thinking. Hitler and Pol Pot - well I will say this for Mr. Bush, at least he knows how many states the U.S. has.

Thanks for leaving your thoughts it's a good window inside the mind of a liberal.


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happychappyjb 4 years ago from UK

I just dont know how conservatives are so irrational. If they dont like the other candidate they will try and ridicule them by saying stuff like the other person is dosent have a birth certificate etc etc. What does that have to do with running a country. I think it is the reflection of the limitation of whats up here. Just like the 999 pizza bill. Which Im sure will be three pages long...


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

happy - where have I brought up Obama's birth certificate except tongue in cheek. What you said here is irrelevant. What name-calling have I done here? What have I written that isn't true? Obama has never - to this date - taken any credit for ANYTHING that hasn't gone well. He blames Bush and everyone and everything else, he never accepts responsibility. That's immaturity and an inferiority complex and that's the nicest thing I can say about Obama. Back up your comments because you comment unfortunately wasn't on point and made little sense.


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happychappyjb 4 years ago from UK

I assumed being a pro republican you would be following the republican nomination debate. It was Herman Cane the front runner who came up with 999 tax bill and that every bill has to be three pages long because he dosent have time to read bills. Herman cane was the chief executive of Godfather pizza.

And I was talking about conservatives as a whole. Some one in your hub has commented about the Birth certificate.

And on the contrary Obama has a lot more class than Bush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WPtEGOp5rI

Also a lot of anti Obamaism comes as a racial discrimination. Because a lot of wight Americans (mostly conservatives) see themselves as different from Color people thats why they find it hard to connect to Obama. In reality Black or White makes no difference to what you are or who you are.


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happychappyjb 4 years ago from UK

Obama came in 2009. Recession came in 2008 due to US Mortgage. President until 2008. Bush. You do the maths.

And also about your facts about Cameron and Brown. Cameron ridiculed Brown almost every day and still blames everything on previous government. See for your self:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMjdWHcU1A


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

Happy - oh really? Those of us who dislike Mr. Obama dislike him because of race. That must be why I LOVE Herman Cain. And who's the racist here? Herman Cain ACHEIVED something great - actually MANY somethings in his life - what did Obama do before he became a Senator for what, an hour and who voted every vote PRESENT. Now who's the racist? Not me - but your attempt to proclaim Cain can't read more than three pages was cute. Yeah, coming from you that IS a laugh and a half. Let's play that game, shall we? I'm betting Mr. Cain knows that there are only 50 states instead of your guy Obama who thinks there are 57. Or I'm betting Cain knows the Austrians don't speak "Austrian" like Obama said in a speech. You are SO out of your league here Bub - you have NO IDEA how STUPID Obama has PROVEN he is over and over. Do NOT come back here with your utter nonsense again. Are you serious?! Really?! Using that tired ridiculous argument about those terrible "racist" conservatives and Republicans. Check your history Bub. Or don't you read? That's right - liberals don't read - they just listen to their friend's at the bars and then repeat what their friends say - but find your Mom and ask her to read a few history books to you. Abraham Lincoln and the Republican Party led the fight to free the slaves and secured the passage of the 13th and 14th Amendments. In 1885 and 1886 respectively, by a Republican Congress. The first civil rights bills were signed into law by Republican presidents - Ulysses S. Grant in 1869 and 1871 (with a Republican Congress) and Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1957. The delay in passing the latter can be attributed to filibusters by SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS. It was only to placate these Democratic senators that the 1957 bill was watered down. (Thank you Mike Lion of Gainseville, VA for that history lesson.) Stop spending time in the Huffington Post chat rooms and find out the FACTS - stop watching PMS-NBC and get your facts straight. There is NOTHING in any Tea Party or Republican history and I can guarantee nothing here on my Hubs that you'll EVER see that is racist. But your ilk? The "Occupy Wall Street" thugs? Now THERE are some racists and isn't it dandy they were joined by the Nazis, as "endorsers". Please - don't comment again. You simply waste my time. Lastly - are you kidding me with Cameron?! HE'S IN LONDON ENGLAND. HELLO!! Knock, knock, anybody home?! Or didn't you realize that LONDON meant another COUNTRY as in THE UK? HOLY COW - anybody got a box of rocks? I'd find more intelligent dialogue with the box than I can with this dude...


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happychappyjb 4 years ago from UK

I dont know why you are taking everything Im saying personally. It is not a personal attack against you. I am talking about the republicans and the democrats.

If you read the first line of your hub youv mentioned David Cameron and Brown. If you see where I am at the moment, yes its the UK. So I know who is the President and who is the Prime Minister.

Thats why its so hard to have a debate with a republican or a conservative because they take everything personally.


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

OK - you got me - I didn't even know what my own Hub said - sorry about the Cameron thing. My bad.

I wasn't taking ANYTHING you said personally. First of all, for me to do that - I'd have to care what you think about me. I don't care what you think, I don't care if you like or dislike me or actually I don't care if you like or dislike my Hub. You're a liberal - you won't like my Hub and thus, you probably won't like me. I expect it. Added to the fact - even if I didn't expect it - I'm one of those rare people. I truly and honestly don't care what you think of me. Now don't you take it personally. You're a stranger - I couldn't care less what people -- in general think of me, no less strangers.

I was rushed - thus I didn't even remember what my own Hub said as well as I didn't make myself clear about that point. I knew you were saying "Republicans this that and the other thing..." Well - I am a Republican. While I didn't take what you said personally - I used myself as an example when you falsely accused Republicans of racial bias if we don't like Obama. It's such a ridiculous argument! Especially when so many Republicans - like myself LOVE Cain! It's just a stupid argument - sorry - but it is. You made the statement as if it were factual - an accepted universal truth when it is simply Democratic propaganda that hides the truth. It is the Democrats that are the racists - and I pointed that out with just a bit of the historical record.

Truthfully, I didn't take anything you said personally. You made me laugh - because what you said is so absurd. Yet liberals and Democrats keep saying it. Well - once liberals aren't in power any more - which - God willing - should happen in 2012 - we can finally stop hearing that nonsense as much.


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happychappyjb 4 years ago from UK

Thats a bit cold. Ha. Of course I care, and you have not done anything bad to me so I dont see any reason to dislike you because you favor republicans. You have the right to have your own opinion and have a party that you like.

Its only that if you express it in an open space you would expect a reaction. Especially if you are ditching someone else's favorite people.

I am not a democrat or liberal. I listen to the person if his/her policies seems reasonable I follow them. I would favor Mitt Romney over Obama. I am a big fan of JF Kennedy who was a republican. It would be stupid to follow a party blindfolded, no matter what they put out.

And yes I do care what people think and say thats why I am here on an open form and thats probably why you are here. Unless you only write and dont read other hubs...


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

Sigh... Happy - yes - I would like people to like my writing - emphasis on writing - but I'm not on Hubpages to be social. I'm honestly not here for that reason. So I honestly don't care if someone does or does not like me. It's nothing personal at all against you. It's not as if I don't like you - -- Happychappyjb - or whatever your real name is.

It's that I'm not seeking approval from anyone. Otherwise I'd write on other subjects. Trust me - I get more ire than not with my political Hubs and more "fuzzy warm" comments" with other topics, but there you have it. I want to have a voice - and apparently - sometimes I'm heard. That's all that matters to me - that people read and hopefully learn from my writing or even more importantly - see the light. Otherwise I'm not vying for yours (or anyone else's) approval.

Now - have I made some friends here? Yes I have. But again, I repeat, I'm not here to be social and make friends. I'm here to have my voice heard and to unseat this nightmare of a President we have.

And I believe JFK was a Democrat. In fact, I'm almost positive he was.


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happychappyjb 4 years ago from UK

I dont know why we are having conversation...

Obama Rocks> End of story...


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

Well then, my sympathies happy - you're a very ignorant person.


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happychappyjb 4 years ago from UK

If only intelligence grew on trees republicans would have their box full of rocks...


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Nick Hanlon 4 years ago from Chiang Mai

cjv123 ...funny.I consider Obama to be an empty suit and that's it.He lost me when he wouldn't listen to Bill Clinton after the 2010 mid-terms.We all remember how Clinton turned around his presidency after making a mess of his first 2 years.Obama just can't do that.Sad.


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tjdavis 4 years ago from Moscow, Texas

I came across this hub by accident but I loved President Bush..I noticed this hub was written 2 yrs. ago..well I hope now, after all this time, we have learned Obama NEEDS TO GO!!!

We cannot afford him or his liberal views anymore!!!!

It seems people who do not live in the US ALWAYS has an opinion on how we should run our government...they have no idea what's it like to have Obama in office. They should worry about their own problems LOL.


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cfin 4 years ago from The World we live in

Now I'm not from the US, so help me to understand your opinion. You state that George W, had class, but Obama does not. I would have put them on a level playing field. Ask yourself also why your immediate reaction is, the way it is when you find out I am foreign.

Facts are facts, and I am not an Obama fan, but there are no facts in your article. Just a rant. He's your president, voted by the majority. Bashing him and making crazy accusations just makes your country look bad. Bashing your leader, voted by the majority means you have no class. He is not my leader, nor was George Bush, but at least I have the respect to not bash either of them. It's a sick culture I live in (not from), when this is the norm.

Also the amount of obsessive people, regarding politics. Do you think they give a care about you? No. Dedicate your life to something worthwhile. You make no difference to the president. It's sad to just hate, especially when no one wants to hear it. Support the opposition, but the

Last thing the US needs right now is hate.


SassySue1963 4 years ago

First, nice Hub to bring to light the true nature of this President. Voted Up and Interesting. There is so much absurdness in this Administration, you've barely illuminated the tip of the iceberg. But at least you've tried.

@happy The "racist" cry has lost any clout.

Disagree with Obama. You're racist.

Don't like his policies. You're a racist.

Believe (which facts show) that he's done nothing to help us. You're a racist.

Don't like ObamaCare. You're a racist.

I'm sure if he loses in 2012, it will be because we're all racists. Whatever at this point.

However, if 92% of whites had voted for McCain in 2008, you're cry would have been racist. So if 92% of African Americans support Obama, what does that make them? hmmm..


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

You said it SassySue - thanks for adding to the discussion! What KILLS me is supposedly African Americans "can't" be racists. That is SO not true. Michele Obama is one and I'm convinced, the President is too.


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

cfin - I make my case and support it. Actually, my case is stronger two years later after this Hub was written. I specifically make reference to an outgoing Prime Minister and an incoming one - and the speech the incoming one made. Never once did he bash the outgoing PM. Yet the consistent rant by Obama for four years now has been - it's not his fault, he 'inherited' the mess. He has rarely missed an opportunity to blame Mr. Bush for everything that HE HIMSELF has done wrong in his own Presidency. Mr. Obama's own childish behavior clearly reveals his lack of character, his lack of leadership abilities, his immaturity, his lack of common sense, little intelligence and NO CLASS. I don't know what leaders in your country have done when they speak publicly, but never in our country's history has a President bashed his predecessor the way Mr. Obama has. He's a mistake. The American people can vote in a mistake - it hasn't happened often in our history, but it happens. Mr. Obama is a low class embarrassment to this country and it's even more true four years into his Presidency than it was when I wrote this Hub.


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cfin 4 years ago from The World we live in

Well no matter, I feel that you can be bigger than that. Two wrongs do not make a right. If the people vote for him again, its what they deserve. If they do not, then thats the majority. I feel that, bashing your predecessor shows a lack of class, but if your predecessor has truly left a mess, it is ok to point it out when people blame you for it. Has Obama gone too far? probably. Have people gone too far asking questions of his birth cert, religion and other ridiculous things. Yes.

The question of racism came about because of these "questions", and both sides in the argument are as bad as eachother. Was Bush asked to prove his place of birth? No. This was so because he was black. Then of course everything becomes racism. Do some people hate him for the wrong reasons? Yes. Do you? No. I see that you have valid points.

And dont even talk to me about racism. I totally agree. Its messed up.Being a white minority, people can bash me all they want... stupid foreignor this and idiot that. I dont scream "racism", do I? No, because its pathetic.,.... Is there a problem with racism in the US, sure! Bar Britain and Poland, I have never seen worse. Should it be involved in politics, no! if you dislike a black person for who they are, should you be called a racist. Hell no!

And If Mitt Romney was to win, I would like to see no blame being placed on the Obama administration, for any prioblems he faces. But, of course this wont happen. Its politics and it happens everywhere. I feel that its up to the individual to be better than that. If Obama is indeed classless, what are the alternatives? Is Romney classy? or is this just an attack on the current president in an unconstructive way. Bush messed up too....alot! I dont believe people should spew hate at him either. Im sure in 2 years Mr.Romney will be bashing Obama and his follwers will feel just like you do. Its just politics, a global problem. they are just one man, they are not ruling your country alone, and to see so many people waste thier time with hate. Its amazing,.


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

Thank you TJ Davis, I couldn't have said it better! Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to leave your thoughts.


SassySue1963 4 years ago

@cfn Did Bush have a biography claiming he was foreign born? No. Did Obama? Yes. It was not his color, but that biography that initiated the calls for a birth certificate. A biography he approved before it was published. One of the two statements are false. Either way, means he has no qualms about lying.

" Obama's former literary agency misidentified his birthplace as Kenya while trying to promote the then-Harvard Law grad as an author in 1991.

According to a promotional booklet produced by the agency, Acton & Dystel, to showcase its roster of writers, Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."

Then they claimed that it was all on her and her fact - checking. However, I am a published author and no biography goes on your book that you do not personally approve or even write yourself.


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

Seriously cfn? Is that what you're driving at? You think - just as someone in the comments actually joked about - that simply because I hammer Obama, it's because he's black? Well - you never read what I wrote about Clinton. Despite the nonsense about him being the "first black President" he wasn't. And I hammered him pretty darn good.

No one has had to "question" former President's place of birth because the records are absolutely clear. There was never any question about where former Presidents were born. President Obama himself wrote in his own autobiography that he has a foreign-born father and that his mother and father lived in foreign nations. So - why then shouldn't someone question his birth certificate and the place of his birth? To this very day there is absolutely no proof he even was born where he said he was (allegedly Hawaii). He spent millions stopping people from demanding he produce his birth certificate, then finally produces one well into his Presidency and it's a flaky photocopy. A photocopy that has the words "African American" on a government document. We in the U.S. know government documents never used that phrase to describe blacks until twenty or more years after Mr. Obama was born. The word used was "Negro" for a person's race at the time. The Term "African American" wasn't even suggested at the time of Obama's birth, no less have it appear on birth certificates of any state or any other kind of government documents.

And the fact that you say you've "never seen worse racism" than in this country proves to me how totally misinformed you truly are. How did Mr. Obama get elected in the first place then if we're such a racist nation? HE'S BLACK, his wife is black - his children are black, yet he was elected President of the United States and it wasn't by a close race either. He won very handily. How could the U.S. possibly be racist when he was elected by U.S. citizens by a comfortable majority?

How, at the time of his inauguration, did he command the highest positive/favorable polling of any other President in our history if we're so "racist?" What you are saying is utter nonsense!

No - Mr. Obama earned his reputation as being unintelligent, self absorbed and a man of low class all on his own and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It has to do with the way the man conducts himself and how childish he behaves. He earned his reputation - it has absolutely nothing to do with racism or he wouldn't have become President in the first place.

I will say this, I can't read into the future, but if Romney wins - he'll turn around the economy faster than Obama will or could. Use this litmus test - in every state that elected a Republican Governor - that formally had a Democrat Governor these states are now turned around and doing much, much better. In some cases, like in the case of Michigan, it happened in a matter of months. This also holds true for Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio and many other states formally run by Democrats. Romney won't have to blame Obama, he'll be too busy turning things around and fixing things and making our economy much better.

Never before has the U.S. taken so long to recover from economic hard times not since the Great Depression that happened in the early 1930's. 42 consecutive months of unemployment above 8%, that has never happened to us with any President! He PROMISED if he was elected and we let him work his magic bail out, unemployment would stay below 8% and he'd turn our economy around. Good luck with that! He's had four years and all he can do is STILL BLAME Mr. Bush! He's useless - not because he's black, but because he's terrible at the job! Make him a white man tomorrow and he'd still be terrible!

It's because Mr. Obama is inept, doesn't know what he is doing, is in way over his head and he's a Democrat surrounded by Democrats that our economy is doing so horribly. That has ZERO to do with his ethnic background.

Never has any President in history openly and publicly demonized the administration before him the way Mr. Obama has. It just has never happened. I didn't even like Bill Clinton and he never openly and publicly ran down George Bush Senior or the President before him, Ronald Reagan and Mr. Clinton inherited a few problems after Mr. Bush Sr. So you can say "I bet" but so far, Mr. Obama is the only one to do it, and I suspect, there aren't going to be too many smart men or women to follow him into that office who will wish to emulate his low-class, whiny, leaderless style. So I truly doubt Romney would blame Obama even if he does become President.

When you are from another country - it is wise to at least back up your accusations with factual information before using opinions based on nothing to make your point.


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cfin 4 years ago from The World we live in

I never said you hated him because he was black. I said you did not hate him for that, I said "Do some people hate him for the wrong reasons? Yes. Do you? No. I see that you have valid points".

And yes the US is a notriously xenophbic place. You just stated that if someones parents are from abroad we should question their citizenship. My daughter was bron here, as was my wife. Questioning my childs citizenship due to her having a foreign father, is indeed racist. I have been abused by black people here, when i worked in retail. I was called a cracker and smelly foreignor. People mock me everyday. I am Irish and Ireland has a higher standard of living than Wisconsin. And might I say its not even close, yet people tell me I am lucky to have avoided the famine in Ireland. (this happened 200 years ago, when the US was also suffereing from famine and other 3rd world issues too)

As you just said, "when you are from another country". You are in fact a bigot. I can have an opinion on the US if I so wish. Land of the free? You are an extremely hate filled individual. I am about as conservative as they come. My people founded the party you love so much. Yet here we are. I never supported Obama. yet you hate on me.

You are such a racist nation, not because, everyone hates black people, but because everyone hates eachother. Foreign people are not welcome, and you just proved that. Black people are not the only race. And you kill your only point. You hate on me, black people hate on me, spanish people hate on black people as do asian people. I came to this country to be with my wife, as a gentleman. rather than her go to Ireland.

She has been so appaled by my treatment that we are moving home. We are married with kids and I had to pay $20, 000 dollars to be here for 2 years. To listen to people like you say that i have no right to try and make peace between feuding political dumbo's. I work for the government, I am well eduacted, I pay twice the amount of tax as the average american. i cannot claim any government benefits. i am barred from claiming, medicaid, medicare, or social security for life, and I had to sign that waiver. then to listen to someone like you ... just makes me sick.

Have some respect and dont dare tell me I cannot have an opinion. I was actually backing you up, on condtion that you were of your opinions for the right reason. Now it seems you were not. I have friends from africa at home, that have Irish kids. We can openly joke with eachother about it, in a comfortbale way. Moving here has made me see the world differently, and pity people who say things like "if your parents were born abroad then you should have to prove your citizenship". You say this and you are not racist? You say its not all about black people, and white people can be the butt of racism to? well thats me. I am at the end of your racist crap, and you are the racist.

Isnt that how Hitler felt, that everyone should carry a piece of paper around to show where they are from? but let me guess, thats different? Conversation dropped.


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cfin 4 years ago from The World we live in

as your follower above said "It's impossible for a Chicago machine political thug to display and class at all. It's as foreign as his birth certificate supposedly is!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Clearly you deleted my comment, and clearly you are uncomfortable with the truth. My children have a foreign dad. If people like you had their way, then those little girls would have to carry thier birth cert in their pocket. Shame on you! you are a disgrace to this country and to your ancestors. Oh and they were foreign and persecuted by people like you. Where is your birth cert? I am a true conservative. you are a person who writes hateful articles about people, that rise the blood of other crazies.

Foreignors are not welcome here, and not allowed have an opinion. Fascism is alive and well.


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

Cfin, calm down. I didn't delete your comments. All comments must be approved before the appear. Sometimes it may seem I sit with my Mabook on my lap 24/7 - but I actually have a life I like to live in the real world sometimes :) and late yesterday was one of those times. I don't always get to Hubpages in a timely manner. I'm sorry you thought I deleted your comments.

Secondly - you accuse me of bigotry - that's ridiculous - I had no idea what race you were - only that you were "foreign." I was merely referring to the fact that as someone who isn't of U.S. citizenship, you were probably not aware, comprehensively - of our U.S. history. Just as (for example) even though I'm a total UK-file (my college degree is in British lit - I know - not your fav people - but that is my degree) I by no means know everything there is to know about UK history.

I - in no way - even implied something derogatory because of your ethnicity. For all intents and purposes - you could have been Italian when you made your above comments, I didn't know, you hadn't revealed your ethnic background until these last two comments. My background - for hundreds of years, is Italian. I'm third generation Italian-American. My grandmother came from Italy to Ellis Island. Since you didn't say anything about your ethnicity - I would have been a total fool to have implied anything derogatory based on your ethnicity given the fact you could have been Italian.

The second thing I was attempting to correct you about was the fact that you said you weren't from this country, YET - you accused my ENTIRE COUNTRY of bigotry. So I challenged you to for making such a broad claim when you didn't know your facts with regard to Obama and what you wrongly accused my country of being.

Seriously - if I was in your country - and I was on some public forum you were on and I went into that forum and said "Ireland is a land full of bigots and idiots." Wouldn't you take offense? (Because bigots ARE idiots). I can say that about my OWN country - but when someone from another country - I don't care WHAT their ethnicity is - comes to my country and says something so horrible such as you said - we're a country full of bigots and racists -- backing it up with - what at the time - appears to be no factual information - I'm going to get my hackles up. I know you'd do the same if the shoe were on the other foot.

NOW having said all of that - I have to say to you I am sorry, genuinely sorry that you have had such a terrible, terrible experience in our country. I am a former Army wife - I've lived in almost every corner of our U.S., in the middle - and pretty much all over this land moving 21 times in over 33 years - and with the exception of ONE place in the south in the early 1980's - I find we are a most TOLERANT nation overall. Obviously - there are pockets where this may not be the case. Where on EARTH can you find an entire country with ZERO bigotry? So I'm not saying we're a perfectly tolerant country - but I will say that for the most part, in most areas - we are. And remember - these aren't areas I've just visited. I've lived in these places all over our nation and overall - we are very tolerant.

I believe your experience though and I'm embarrassed for my country that you would find this anywhere - and I'm very, very sorry that you have experienced this. I for one - love an irish accent and I will tell you even when we lived in Germany for three years, on St. Patrick's Day we celebrated being Irish. - We were in Italy for a vacation a few years ago and - come St. Patrick's Day EVERYONE was Irish even in Italy! We celebrate St. Patrick's day like it's a national holiday in the U.S. - I think the Irish are particularly adored in our country. I was actually shocked reading your account.

Maybe where you live currently is just a bad place and again - I'm so sorry this has been your experience - but I can say boldly that I firmly believe where you live is an exception rather than a rule.

Lastly - I believe what you are seeing here and across our land currently is actually political. When I was growing up, the two political parties, Republicans and Democrats - were essentially and basically the same. In the last few decades, the Democrats have been taken over by honest to goodness socialist, Marxist anti-Americans. They have used class warfare and yes - ethnic warfare and divided this country like I have never seen in our history. And they used our public school system to raise socialist/Marxists. So to you what appears to be a country full of bigots is what the Democrats have portrayed our country to be to create whole classes of people who feel as if they have been abused and mistreated - and brainwashed whole generations of people into believing they - the Democrats and a government run by socialist Democrats will "save" them.

When in reality - the Democrats are the biggest bigots and racist organization in the U.S.. They have divided our country and as Martin Luther King's daughter - Alveada King proposes - we need to bring our country back to a pro-life country based on Biblical principles. When that happens this political division will fade away.

I'm sorry you feel I"m hateful. I don't incite hate - I'm pointing out that this is exactly what the other side does - Mr. Obama and his Chicago style mafia who now occupy the White House and they'll lie, cheat, steal and do any evil to achieve their goals. If that is"hateful" - then so be it. The truth can appear that way sometimes.

I also apologize if I made you believe I was attacking you, no less because of your ethic heritage.


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cjv123 4 years ago from Michigan Author

Sassy - thanks for the added factual information!

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