New Arizona Immigration Law is Right On

 Obama speaks with forked tongue. While he denounces the new Arizona immigration law, which makes it a misdemeanor if you are illegal and are caught, he is proposing a national ID card that will force everyone in the US, whether legal or not, even citizens, to show the card whenever you switch jobs or obtain a new one. If you do not have it, you cannot work. I think that is way worse.

Arizona took the bold move to cut back on illegal immigrants. The Hispanics cry about this being racists and racial profiling which is expected, the reality is that it just happens to Hispanics from Mexico forcing States to take the matter into their own hands because the Federalists lack the will to do it. If anyone is here with a green card, they are legal. If they do not have it, it is illegal. Period. Why is this racial inthe least? It applies to a Russian or African in AZ without a green card when law enforcement stop them for violations. It just happens that AZ borders Mexico and it just happens that most of the arrests will happen to be Latino.

This kind of reform is long overdue.  If anyone is here legally, no fears about the law. It simply targets those here illegally. It will be a very effective deterrent for AZ, and what will happen is that those illegals in AZ will flee to CA or TX, to avoid detection. Why do the Hispanics oppose this? Well, they feel targeted as a group and those leading it and supporting it could be illegal also. The law makes them feel oppressed, rightly so, they are here illegally. It is no different than an American (any color) living in China. You stand out physically and the government entities monitor you. It is like that in Saudi Arabia, in Iran.

Obama's plan for a national ID card will have the same effect. To get the card, one must be here legally. Don't have it, no job, and you are exposed as an illegal alien. Busted.

Illegal immigrants are a problem for most countries, in Germany, the Turks are the problem, in France, the muslims from different countries. Being illegal comes with extra problems and risks fully known by those who are unwilling to be legal. They take a chance. It does not make it right and every country or state has a duty to minimize it.

Illegal aliens can be excellent workers and people. They usually are law abiding where they live under a fear of being exposed, that is in itself oppressive for them, but they choose it. The costs and time to become legal is usually too long or too much for them. Changing immigration law to make it easier will invite more to come illegally. Perhaps have two categories of illegal aliens: those that have been here for 5-10 years, law abiding no record, have steady employment. These should be able to be legal quicker and easier. The other group is anyone outside of the group, leave the law as is.

BTW, US Census does NOT consider Hispanic, Latino a race. So, there can be no racial profiling by the AZ law.

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thevoice 6 years ago from carthage ill

well read written hub read thanks


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Bolthorn 6 years ago

I agree with everything you have written. I thought the whole point of having a system with "united states" was so that states could govern themselves in all areas that they can, but be united together for one another's common good. Who is Obama to suggest States should have less autonomy and can not pass laws of their own? If that was the system the inhabitants of America were looking for, America would be under British rule today. All states should follow Arizona's lead and stop relying on the Federal government.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

I agree. Police will only ask for a green card if a person is stopped for some suspicious reason or violation. They are not just going to start asking a mexican-american for a green card or proof of citizenship without due cause. But... I can see where the fear is coming from.


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

This is one of those areas of our laws here in the US that always bother me...the illegals will complain that the illegals or LEGALS have to jump through hoops to be citizens, prove their citizenship etc. Look, if I want to open a restaurant I've got to go through so much red tape and rigamarole its not even funny. And I live here. I was born here. I've been paying taxes since I've been working. There are tax consequences, licensing, health inspections, zoning requirements, financing requirements, and then once I hire any emoloyees local, federal and state regulations...

All we're asking for is a lousy ID card to prove you are who you say you are.

As for racial profiling? Things are what they are. People are what they are. It's not racial profiling, its CRIMINAL profiling, plain and simple.

Great hub and spot on perrya.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

thanks!


elliotm 6 years ago

This law is meaningless and fails to address any of the real issues behind the massive influx of Mexican immigrants to the United States and will beyond doubt fail to change a thing. Two days ago in Ciudad Juarez 7 Mexican Police Officers were killed and they were only a fraction of the thousands that have died in Mexico's drug war over the past few months alone. The absurdity of this is that the Cartel's fighting for dominance in Mexico, Ciudad Juarez in particular are funding an estimated 50% of there business by marijuana smuggling to the U.S. The prohibition of a drug which has no chemically addictive properties and has been deemed less harmful to the mind and body then alcohol by U.N and U.S studies is contributing heavily to Mexican emigration and any real discussion about addressing this issue needs to begin with a serious proposals about reforming the U.S's drug policies.


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LRCBlogger 6 years ago

The challenge with the New Arizona law is that the Governor was asked how do you look at someone and determine they are illegal? She blatantly said "I don't know"

If someone is stopped for a violation, etc, the police always run a background check anyway. What this new law is proposing to do is to allow police to stop people who look like "illegals". It's going to open AZ up to a massive amount of civil rights law suits. Also, when you catch them, what is the plan? Right now we simply send them back and they sneak right back in. I'm all for a comprehensive reform but I fail to see anything this new law does that is beneficial?


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Giving the police the ability to ask suspects for proof of their immigration status is, by itself, enough for some to avoid AZ, which will happen. yes, it is still a revolving door but police will only ask when their is probable cause a illegality is happening, whether a robbery or traffic stop.


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

elliotm, I don't see how you can say that the new immigration law in Arizona is "meaningless and fails to address any of the real issues behind the massive influx of Mexican immigrants to the United States and will...fail to change a thing."

First of all, we don't need to address ANY issues behind why Mexicans come here to this country. That is for Mexico to figure out. What IS our business in this country is to protect American citizens, and to uphold our laws. If the Mexicans come over to our side illegally, they are breaking the law and should be dealt with as criminals who have broken laws.

As for drugs coming into the country, marijuana obviously being one of the larger imports from Mexico, and the issue of prohibition—well, I agree that marijuana is not necessarily one of our worst drugs, and maybe we should consider legalization—I can agree that the drug cartels have a stronghold on the situation BECAUSE it is an illegal substance. It's illegality and the matter of the black market certainly creates a very bad situation without a doubt.

But I'll say this on top of that. If the drug cartels, and their activity begin to be a larger problem for the United States, and the security of our people, we are going to have to stop them with force. You can do whatever you want on your side of the fence. You can terrorize people and murder people all you want. If the Mexican government, and the Mexican police don't want to do anything about the problem, that's entirely their business. I don't agree with it, but that's their baby. But if the activities spill over onto my side, if MY people start getting caught up in it and end up killed (which is already happening more and more), then there's going to be an issue. And I don't care how big you think you are over THERE, or how dangerous or psychotic some of these guys can be, our guns are a lot bigger over here, and we've got more might and can bring you down if we really want to. I have no reason to believe that we cannot "envíe el mensaje efectivamente," or deliver our message effectively if things get much worse.


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

Hubbers

We are a nation of the rule of law !

Check the following and tell me who is breaking the law? Our officials in Washington were elected to serve the people of our country not the law breaking illegals.

ARIZONA IMMIGRATION LAW SB1070 4/23/10

PRESIDENT OBAMA QUOTES 42410

President Barak Obama ’’ said that the federal government must act to avoid

irresponsibility by others ‘’

He called the law ‘’misguided ‘’ and instructed the Justice Department to

examine ‘’ the recent efforts in Arizona threaten to undermine basic notions

of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police

and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe ‘’

‘’ the American people demand and deserve a solution’’ said of reform

Illinois congressman from Chicago Gutierrez was in Arizona participating in

a rally at the capitol. He wants president Obama to act.

Congressman Grijalva of Tucson critzided the bill

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed the Immigration Bill SB 1070 into law

on 4/23/10. Said the law represents another tool for the state to ‘’ work to solve

a crisis we did not create and the federal government has refused to fix - the

crisis caused by illegal immigration and Arizona’s porous border ‘’

‘’this bill strengthens the laws of our state, protects all of us, every Arizona

citizen’’ she said ‘’it does so while ensuring that the constitutional rights

of all remain, stable.’’

Arizona has about 460,000 undocumented immigrants according to the US

Department of Homeland Security.

The law is the latest in a string of legislation intended to drive illegal

immigrants out of Arizona.

Senator Reid said ‘’while the first step in immigration reform must include

border security, we cannot approach this important issue in a piecemeal

fashion. Republicans and democrats need to work together to pass

comprehensive reform that is tough on people who break the law, fair to

taxpayers, respectful of civil liberties and practical to implement’’.

Mexican foreign minister Patricia Cantellano said Friday ‘’the government

of Mexico will use all of the resources at its disposal to defend the rights

and dignity of Mexicans in Arizona.

Ira Mehlman spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform

said ‘’Arizona has been leading the way’’, Mehlman said ‘’but we still

believe that congress needs to get busy enforcing the immigration law on

behalf of the American people. If the federal government was doing its job,

then we wouldn’t have states like Arizona adopting these laws’’.

The above are excerpts from THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC 4/23/10

THE FOLLOWING IS EXERPTS OF THE 1986 FEDERAL LAW

SEC. 113. IMMIGATION EMERGENCY FUND.

Section 404 (8 U.S.C. 1101 note) is amended by inserting "(a)" after "Sec. 404." and by adding at the end the following new subsection:

"(b) There are authorized to be appropriated to an immigration emergency fund, to be established in the Treasury, $35,000,000, to be used to provide for an increase in border patrol or other enforcement activities of the Service and for reimbursement of State and localities in providing assistance as requested by the Attorney General in meeting an immigration emergency, except that no amounts may be withdrawn from such fund with respect to an emergency unless the President has determined that the immigration 0emergency exists and has certified such fact to the Judiciary Committees of the House of Representatives and of the Senate.".

SEC. 115. ENFORCEMENT OF THE IMMIGRATION LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.

It is the sense of the Congress that --

(1) the immigration laws of the United States should be enforced vigorously and uniformly, and

(2) in the enforcement of such laws, the Attorney General shall take due and deliberate actions necessary to safeguard the constitutional rights, personal safety, and human dignity of United States citizens and aliens.

"(1)(A) The State shall require, as a condition of an individual's eligibility for benefits under any program listed in subsection (b), a declaration in writing by the individual (or, in the case of an individual who is a child, by another on the individual's behalf), under penalty of perjury, stating whether or not the individual is a citizen or national of the United States, and, if that individual is not a citizen or national of the United States, that the individual is in a satisfactory immigration status.

Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

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The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), also Simpson-Mazzoli Act (Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, signed by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986) is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants (immigrants who do not possess lawful work authorization), required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to certain illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously. The Act also granted a path towards legalization to certain agricultural seasonal workers and immigrants who had been continuously and illegally present in the United States since January 1, 1982.[1]


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Hefty reading.........


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Jon, as much as I want to support the Washington folks in my party on this I cannot. On this issue the republicans in Washington have it dead wrong. There is nothing in this bill that I can see that is without merit and reason. I ESPECIALLY like the part where citizens have the right to sue government agencies for NOT enforcing the laws as they are written. It's high time we not only have laws on the books, but that we actually ENFORCE them, and hold the agencies responsible for enforcing them.

The republicans are wrong on this issue. The democrats...don't get me started.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND

The only problem is that illegals will start migrating to other states but at least it might alleviate the problem in Arizona. Maybe the other states will catch on and do the same thing, which I agree is Right On.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Looks like AZ is on the right track, I hope it remains in place. BTW, many of their hispanic gov officials voted FOR the bill.


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kschang 6 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

Asking the governor how you can tell whether someone's illegal alien is simply a LOADED question. Governor is NOT a law enforcement officer, and thus would NOT know what constitute "reasonable suspicion" (which is required in the law, read it!) Thus asking her would be useless, and quoting her answer is just a soundbyte, and WORSE than useless.

For REAL analysis for AZ SB1070, try my hub:

http://hubpages.com/politics/Arizona-Senate-Bill-1...


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ghfrank 6 years ago

You hit it spot on. I do not understand why this is being questioned by the argument of racism. The fact of the matter is that being an illegal immigrant is ILLEGAL.


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garynew 6 years ago from Dallas, TX and Sampran, Thailand

My hubs (since everybody's promoting, I may as well too) provide practical solutions for this issue! Not so much, but you might laugh.


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J@ps 6 years ago from Southern California

I agree.

Btw I also gave an easier to swallow option for the Arizona bill if it was ever shot down (as garynew has noted, since everybody's promoting anyway).


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Cari, we already have local, state, and federal laws on the books. What the Arizona law does is create an apparatus for enforcement of the law—including allowing citizens to sue government agencies charged with enforcing the laws if they do not do exactly that.

The way the law is now, it's like having traffic cops hang out at the Dunkin' Donuts instead of catch speeders. "There's a law against speeding, we're just not going to stop you for it."

It doesn't make sense.

So, if the illegals move to other states, fine. Other states ARE considering similar laws, and so the area of operation for illegals should eventually become ever smaller. The more pressure the states put on, the higher the probability that the feds will realize they will have to act to begin to enforce laws already on the books.

But the pressure has to start somewhere. Arizona seems the best place to me as it is the busiest border crossing in the United States and has a very high number of illegals within its borders.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

I really can't stand SF for its BS position on this. SF is a sanctuary city that is totally right politically and allows just about anything. They want to stop the Giants baseball team from playing the Diamondbacks, how stupid! I think most against this bill are either ignorant or illegal.


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Deerwhisperer 6 years ago from Bradenton, Florida

I believe they knew this was coming some day. That's why they keep having kids here, so they can't be deported. They have been using us all along, and now they don't like it because we ask them to show a green card? Shame on them! And talk about racial profiling, just let a caucasion go to Mexico and see what happens!


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kschang 6 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

@PerryA -- I actually live in SF, so I know what you mean. It's pretty crazy. Nobody disagrees that "bad" racial profiling (i.e. base enforcement efforts on racial stats) is bad, but how is SB1070 "bad" racial profiling? Nobody can explain that.

@DeerWhisperer -- wow, wow, hold on to that almost-racist remarks. I don't see any statistics, but I think most of the protesters are LEGAL immigrants who objects to the POSSIBILITY of being treated like an illegal unless proven otherwise.

South of the Border, you're just a gringo. :)


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perrya 6 years ago Author

You are probably right.


elliotm 6 years ago

@DeerWhisperer "I believe they knew this was coming some day. That's why they keep having kids here, so they can't be deported."

I could respond politely in typical Canadian fashion but forget that, you're an idiot. They don't keep having kids in the U.S to keep from being deported, they do it because that's the whole point immigrating, to find somewhere where they can earn a living, even if it means working for change serving ignorant people like yourself. This law was written to grab redneck votes, who for any number of fair reasons dislike the massive influx of Mexican immigrants but it's a joke. First of all how many people walk around with their immigration papers on them at all times outside of fascist countries. Furthermore the whole notion that the police can effectively enforce this law without being overtly racist is a fantasy, regardless of how many Latino Americans may be on the force.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Police cannot simply pull you over or stop you simply because you are hispanic, there first must be probable cause such as suspicious behavior, a crime, traffic violation etc. It is only then can they ask to see a green card or visa, if you do not have one, then you need to be worried. It could happen to white students with british accents who stay long after a visa expires, a white german who failed to renew her green card status. Hispanics cry about the law because it impacts them more because many of them know it will be an issue, which is why over 100,000 of them have left AZ.


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anandpokar 6 years ago

What about white students without foreign accents?

I'm just concerned about what constitutes as probable suspicion of being an illegal alien, I'm not sure anything legitimate does. I mean, there's no actions that indicate possible non-citizenship. Citizens of this country have no need to carry around proof of citizenship all the time, so I worry that citizens will be detained. I know immigrants need to carry their papers, but there is no way to know the difference looking at an immigrant versus a citizen.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Interesting point


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

hubbers

How about Arizona boycotting California by not selling them water and electricity. Tit for tat, let them be in the dark and thirsty. They could go to a wine standard and maybe they can start pumping oil and create their own source of power.

THE AZ SB 1070 GOES IN EFFECT JULY 29.

I was at a car wash in Arizona recently, wow, how the scenery changed


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Yes, airzona should boycott CA!


Dave Palmaro 6 years ago

Lets just attack Mexico, and get it over with.

after the battle we open the boarder, but they now play by our rules.

I was told this by a mexican from Mexico, it sounds good to me. They will end up with more rights & be treated fairly under our laws.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Must be Saturday Night Live!


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vrajavala 6 years ago from Port St. Lucie

see, the reality is that Obama doesn't like the law, because he is probably an illegal alien himself.


Marissa 6 years ago

Deerwhiper , i would like to give a response to your comment if fact a caucasion would go to mexico and have all the kids they wanted what exsactly do u think would happen ? im very sorry to hear that you feel that hispanics have used u all along but fact of the matter is they pay taxes like you if not more and get nothing back ... so inform yourself right and then comment on it ...


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Granny's House 6 years ago from Older and Hopefully Wiser Time

perrya, Great hub. I think you all should take a look at my hub

http://hubpages.com/politics/NEW-IMMIGRANTS-Intere...


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perrya 6 years ago Author

well of course, mexicans here legally pay taxes like everyone and they get whatever entitled back. Those here not legally usually work for cash only or use fake stolen SSN numbers. They do pay taxes and get nothing back directly, but do so indirectly via welfare, foodstamps, health care. They know this and sacrifice for a better life than in Mexico. All taxpayers support them via taxes.


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JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

hubbers

If you break the Mexican illegal immigrant law.

First offence 2years in jail

Second offence 10 years in jail

I would venture to say that there are not many with 10 year terms.

In the US,ICE if they don't release the illegals they send the illegals back to the border ( many try getting back in often )

THE ARIZONA LAW BS 1070 TAKES EFFECT ON JULY 29TH

As President Obama said '' Adios Amigos ''


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perrya 6 years ago Author

No entiende. No se!


pcoach 6 years ago

Wonderful hub! It's amazing what we learn when we listen to others. I have several hubs on this same topic and I love it when I read something that had not previously occurred to me (although this can happen frequently). It is exciting to read something from someone who is on the same "side" (my brain is lacking a more definitive word, damnit) but presents yet a new argument reinforcing my own opinion. It takes some of the taint off the "everyone has an opinion" angle because we all have a different experience of life, and those experiences, good and bad, form those opinions. Thank you for not being afraid to share your insights. There is the word I sought. Insight. It makes no man better or worse than another. It makes us individuals with something to share, and from which to learn. It wasn't so much what you said as it was another insight that I, for one, had not previously considered. Thank you for the ammunition, I mean, the information. I confuse them. Ammunition, information, depending on your situation, they are both pretty much the same thing. Thank you again. In case you couldn't tell, I really enjoyed your hub.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Thanks for the comments. Good reading!


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Cjay12 6 years ago

i don't mean to denounce your article in any way, but the reason this has sparked so much controversy is because, in my opinion, the state of Arizona is making illegals out to be criminals, when they are not. they are, in majority cases, people trying to obtain a better life. The state has continually done everything in their power to get them out, targeting Hispanics primarily. and another issue is this. I'm 15, hispanic, and was born here, in texas. I Don't carry a green card simply because i don't need to. i don't carry proof of citizenship. so if i was to visit Arizona and be questioned because of my skin color, i'd be locked up till i could find a way to confirm my identity, or deported to a dangerous country i don't know. see the problem i might have with this law? Humanly, it does more harm then good. If a white family with no money, no job, a large family, no house, no food or water was standing on the side of the road in 115 degree Arizona weather, would you help? i would, in any way i could. But this law makes it illegal to help any of them, because they're "fugitives", or so people think. and with the way the state has made them look like traffickers, no one will want to. thanks for reading.


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Nancy's Niche 6 years ago from USA

Great article and you are correct, these individuals if here on a visa, etc, are required to carry their paper work with them at all times. Every country requires the same if you’re not a citizen. If you think about it, we are required to show our driver’s license if stopped; where's the difference here?

Arizona’s new law is a mirrored version of the Immigration Law so why is it being challenged? Obama has broken so many promises in favor of special interest and those who helped him get elected. He’s “W” all over again!

See my newest hub on “Obama's Executive Order on Illegal Immigrants”...


NoAmnesty 6 years ago

The pro-amnesty lobby wants to make this out as a racial thing and Obama will bend over backwards to accomodate them. His agenda is amnesty for all. They are using the "states rights" issue because they feel they have more of a chance of getting the Arizona law struck down that way. If that doesn't work they plan to follow it up with a lawsuit based on racial discrimination as soon as the first arrest of a Hispanic is made.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Cjay-the AZ law has been altered somewhat, so it is unlikely what you think may happen to you would occur. Any race that does something to cause a policeman to stop you opens the door- called probable cause. If an illegal (hispanic or russian, or white african)drives without a license and gives any police officer a reason to pull them over allows them in AZ to ask for a green card, a license, proof of insurance. Police in AZ can stop and request a green card where illegals are known to gather to look for work. A police officer that might stop you would gather that you are American simply from your English comprehension and ability to use it. many illegals are idiots for not learning english. Many living here refuse to speak English in their homes for cultural purposes, yet their kids speak perfect english with no accent-they are American in every sense of the word. If police suspect a person is illegal, they now can ask for a green card, before they could not. You have nothing worry about.


JmMAC 6 years ago

If it's not racial profiling, it's ethnic profiling, and that is wrong. Some illegals pay taxes and are not on welfare. Some of them want to become American citizens but can't, and they may regret the mistakes that we made. Some of these people have children who they brought here. These children were not born here but may have lived here for ten, twenty years or more, and they see the US as their home. They speak perfect English, know the history of our country, and have assimilated into the American way of life. What do you do to these people? Deport them? That would be horrible.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Yes, deporting the kids born here or who have totally assimulated into America is a real negative and problem for them, much more than it is for the parents who took the gamble. There is no good solution.


Franco 6 years ago

SEND THEM ALL BACK!!! THERE STEALING ALL OF OUR JOBS AT HALF THE PRICE!! US CITIZENS CAN'T GET A JOB!!! YOU IDIOTS!! LOOK AT THE REAL PICTURE HERE!! SHIP THEM BACK AND PUNISH THEM!! OBAMA YOU FUCKING SUCK!

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