Norteno Street gangs.

Terry Davis 11-2003

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Norteno street gangs

Street gangs have been with us for over 60 years. The Norteno street gangs got their start inside the California Prison system. There are varying stories on how the Nusetra Familia or NF originally started. The bottom line is that Hispanics from Northern California were subject to threats, extortion, and any other prison crime that you could think of. These crimes against them were at the hands of the Mexican Mafia or Sureno street gangs, and many viewed the prison guards as enemies also, due to the way they were treated. The final insult was over a pair of shoes, which later became known as the shoe wars. A Northern Hispanic inmates shoes were stolen and given to a Mexican mafia inmate. The owner of the shoes ended up assaulting the Mexican Mafia inmate that had the shoes. This incident brought together the Northern Hispanic inmates and created the Nustera Familia. In the early to mid 1960s at Soledad Correctional Training Facility, during a cell search of a Northern Hispanic inmates cell. The Nuestra Familia's, constitution along with numerous other documents were found that gave an inside look at the structure and operation of the Nuestra Familia inside the prison system and on the streets.

The Nuestra Familia was organized in a military fashion with, generals, capt's, Lt's, and soldiers. They lived by a document referred to as the 14 bonds, which spelled out the duties of a gang member and the punishments for acts considered treason or cowardise. As members of the NF were paroled back to their neighbors, they became active in all kinds of street crimes and began organizing and recruiting.

The NF today acts as a giant umbrella that covers all Norteno street gangs. Individuals that show an interest and willingness to carry out activities that support and enhance the gangs reputation or that brings money to the gang are noticed and then groomed for promotions with-in the gang. As they progress in their training and are judged to be good soldiers they gain respect and move up the ladder of the gang, which includes becoming a carnale, or brother in the cause, or struggle.

The identifiers for the Nuestra Familia (NF) are the color red and the number 14. Originally in the California prison system inmates were issued railroad type hankerchief's, they came in two colors, red and blue. The Mexican mafia and Sureno inmates used the blue to identify themselves and the NF used the red. The number 14 stands for the fourteenth letter of the alphabet, the letter N, for Norteno. Later during the United Farm Workers (UFW) organization they introduced a flag consisting of the Mexican eagle. The emblem of the eagle was taken by the NF, referred to as the Welga Bird, and incorporated as a tattoo to identify NF members. Today, you may still see the tattoo but it is becoming less common. Other tattoo's will be dot's tattoo'd on the hands, arms, elbows, face, or any other place on the body as well as the number 14. The dot tatto's will usually be either one dot on the left hand, and 4 dot's on the right hand. Later, the Northern star tattoo became popular and was a five point star, which signified that for each streight line with-in the star the individual carring the tattoo had completed a mission for the gang. When the star was filled in to a solid star, the individual had committed some act of great violence for the gang. The NF has also used the Aztec number symbols to indicate the number 14 on their tattoo's. Tatto's are constantly changing and today many either do not get them, as the authorities use them to validate gang members, or they try to hide them with-in other tattoo's.

The NF also has become involved in music, that glorifies the gang and it's activities and denounces it's rival gangs, the Mexican mafia and the sureno street gangs. Most notable was the G.U.N. label which stands for the Generation of United Nortenos. These lyric's glorfiy and encourage gang violence, and are used to incite gang members to violence, as well as make money.

These gangs initially were confined to their neighborhoods, or barrios and considered these areas as their terrortory. However, today they have become more mobil, they consider towns, cities, area codes and regions as their terrotory. The use of firearms and the willingness to use them with no concerns for innocent victims has made these gangs more and more dangerous. Gang members, like all criminals prefer to go about their business un-noticed by the general population.

To learn more about the gangs and gang symbols used in your area, you can attend gang awareness meetings put on by schools, and local law enforcement agencies. Education, recognition and action is what is needed in our communities to eradicate gangs and protect our families and communities. Gangs count on the fear of citizens to take action. It's time for us to take back our children, neighborhoods and cities, from gangs. If you have information contact your local law enforcement by phone, or computer and you can give them the information they need to stop the violence, with-out identifying yourself.

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terry b deeznutz 4 years ago

i grew up in nothern california as i grew up i was around the hood as a teen growing up you are pressured to be in a gang, its just part of the mexican culture


spikey 4 years ago

Anyway, I stumbled here and just wanted to say that if you can, save yourself the heart break & pains of gang life, cause I've been around it and lived it, cause there isn't any love in this game even if it starts out as just taking care of your people that stuff eventually takes an ugly and nasty turn but most these dudes just to big headed and trying to be the baddest to even listen. And one last thing, beware of these grimy dudes, don't make friends wit em cause when they get hungry they'll come and rob you out here they aren't playing around you don't know what they're capable of cause people turn on you. So if you live like that yeah it gets exciting and its cool for a minute but then watch as the world around you crumbles. I do have respect for some ppl who hustle to climb out of poverty and know some folks who got into college like that, thing is that many don't know when to stop and end up in jail. So take care. I'm out.


spikey 4 years ago

I see why people click up and join gangs cause yall feel hated by many people for being mexican and whole lot of other reasons but then u got ignorant & greedy people ruining it for everyone making us look bad. that being said, gangs r just a dead end. some people are born in real bad situations that makes people feel hopeless and end up in a gang, shit sometimes they are forced but if you got a choice stay out. I lived on chicago's westside for years until I moved to a nearby town & in both these places there are lot of gangs. during my earlier years I met & was close to people cause we all got to know each other & whites blacks asians too and had each others backs though not everyone was in a gang but good things come to an end & many people started selling, man everyone started to get paranoid not trusting anyone & fist fights turned to stabbing & shootings. Fast forward just 4 years and most these guys dropped out a few are in prison for long time, some of us saw what was coming and left that life style.


559bds 4 years ago

man our court system is based on merrit time laww....

a fucking law that is used for the docking of cargo ships at sea.......pathetic!!!!!

one again, EYES WIDE OPEN TERRY


dread 4 years ago

It's a tragedy young people wasting there life. My niece and her boyfriend 20 & 22. Are going to trial as we speak. He shot an unarmed man 9 times. She was involved after the fact. By both of them being registered gang members for the Nortenos. If convicted one will never get out and the other could do 15 years or more. This is sad that 1 life was taken. 2 more are going to be wasted. In a gang Gang is first. My question is why do gang members even claim God is on there list. If he were in their life there would be no reason for a gang. Sad thing is these two never had to steal or commit crimes they came from good families. Young people wake up and think for yourself. Crimes these gangs get you to commit make no mistake are to benefit the gang. Where are the Nortenos going to be when these two go to prison. Most of them from the street if not all will disappear. Who are they going to count on then. The family. The family they were so disloyal to because of the gang. What about God who was totally ignored. Young people go to school graduate. be the first in your family to go to college. Make a change. Break the cycle.


X PORT GANGSTER 4 years ago

I WAS RAISED IN THE NORTHEN CALIFORNIA BUT THE ONLY THING IN MY MIND I WANTED TO BE A SURENO WHAT'S MOSTLY KNOW ASS A SOUTHERNER...


whatever 4 years ago

there are more serious and important issues in life than all these stupid shit heads claimin and banging.Ignorant s.o.b all need to get locked up and kill each other. Losers!!!


weasel lokote 4 years ago

im a NORTENO 14 member from N.M. i've served 5 yrs in prison im 30 yrs old and i still represent when asked where im from but i try not 2 encourage the youth 2 go out n do what i did


Chewiez 4 years ago

Man all you vatos are blind right now, i used to be hella down for norte but you graduate from highschool and realize those foos are only using you for their needs


NOrTe Killa4nia. 4 years ago

ayeeEEe nigga. i from thE 408, raisEd in the 916 and livin in the 415! reprEsEntin the rEd. wHitE pe0plE d0Nn kn0E n0thin b0ut the strEets th0E.


916niggah 4 years ago

I don't bang i have family dat do bang sur. bt i grew up in SACRAMENTO i gt much respect with REAL nortes or REAL surenos. from my point of view terry ive seen some gang members who do replace their family with the hood bt there is more who are realy realy united with their families. the love of a mother can never be replaced. ive never been in gangs bt ive never been a saint. i grew up bangin on anybody who wantd it. i grew up with a lot of black ppl listenin to MAC DRE nd such but my point of view is that now gangs have gotten old to mi now its all about getting your money up at any cost. NO i do not sell drugs to my own family. but i got no other choice no job wants a 17 yr old boy with a criminal record hella long nd some of yall on here claimin there hoods nd sayn this and that STOP NET BANGING yall just making people look bad


big cajones 213 4 years ago

all you chaps and wannabes are lame all that pride, love family talk shows why you all are busters. down south its all about money and straight ganagbanging. we don't get into a gang to get along united on the streets, its to gangbang sell drugs and create as much violence as possible making a name for your barrio.if we wanna be unted down here we will go to the ymca and join a sports team!! terry ur right we just cause problems like we r supposed to do that's why we are real gangmembers, not wannabe dressed as tampons!!


fluff master916 4 years ago

Hey terry I believe you are doing a good job keep up the good work


jEmSSnn01 4 years ago from NY

This is one of my biggest worry with my kids as one of them is reaching his teenage years and we are living in a gang operating neighborhood, I just hope that I brought them right and will not get involved in the wrong crowd.

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Sw33tluv 4 years ago

Wow... 2 years and u r still responding.... I say If it's wat they like doin let them be... They aren't Hurting anyone


NORTHENER 4 years ago

BUNCH OF MISGUIDED KIDS......LOT OF PEOPLE SAYIN THE GANG DON'T COME FIRST BUT WHEN YOUR BEHIND THOSE WALLS THE GANG IS YOUR FAMILIA AND COMES BEFORE ANYTHING....B4 KIDS ,FAMILY....SO IF YOU CHOOSE THIS LIFESTYLE BE PREPARED FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF LIFE IN PRISON.....IF U READ THIS IN TIME,,,,,GO TO SCHOOL GRADUATE....KEEP A CLEAN RECORD....DO SOMETHING DREAM BIG....


active ene 4 years ago

Look Im the Real deal i do this on a daily n its black n White n i know in my heart its wrong .......n in order to Be in the gang as an active member inside the walls n out U have to put the homies first before ur Kids familia ... Really its just a front for selfish individuals to party n Be lazy n get money n Be able to lie to themselves n act like they stand for something but on the Real ...in the end ....its bull shit n a cop out of really struggling n doin shit the right way ...the hard way... The honest way


frank 4 years ago

this guy named Terry B. Davis is gay as hell


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Terry B. Davis 4 years ago Author

599eNertainer, thanks for your comments. However, you might want to read a little bit more regarding my background and where I came from. Also all inmates say your no better than a prisoner, everyone could be in prison. No, only criminals go to prison or the graveyard, its their choice. However, I am sure that your comments may help someone else stay out of prison and gangs. Thanks again for your comment.


559eNertainer 4 years ago

Terry you don't know jack about gangz till you join one even tho I know you wont cuz ur a square az foo.. But even whitez get caught N da mix Wen or if they go to prizon cuz dey cant defend dem selves.. All im sayin is if you go to prizon ur gona be sumones doggy lol truzt me even well eduacated indavidualz get sent to prizon.. Ur no better den anyone elze just cuz your were raized n a rich white neighborhood where everyone smiling n shit n cuz u got a degree haha itz dat thug life 4Life son!!!!!!


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Terry B. Davis 4 years ago Author

FTB, thank you for your comment. I agree with your frustration.

Again thanks and good luck.


fuckthebay 4 years ago

I feel what you say terry. Im of Mexican decent. I live in San Francisco California. These punks that wear red and blue really make it hard for me to be proud of being Mexican. When im asked on the streets if i bang witch happens allot because of the color of my skin i end up tellin them im filipino or native american to name a few ethnicities i choose to say when i am when confronted by these punks. I hate the way that mexicans treat each other in this state. I mean this state because ive lived in several states, Nevada, Texas and ill tell you this. i was never treated with such disrespect by my own people. What some of the comments have said that theres a northern raza or a southern raza is all bullshit only in this fucking state does our people act this way. I cannot believe the way that these mexicants treat our race. I have lost my pride of being mexican after living in this fucking state and witnessin these retards in real life. I don't even want to associate with my own people its that bad. Maybe its just me that sees this matter in this light. I hope my people will one day stop this madness and quit the harassment towards my people. Did the mafia treat italians this way? did the yakusa kill its own people for wearing a color they disliked?

I just hope ill be alive to see the day that my children and grandchildren wont have to worry about their own race stabbing or shooting them.

To all mexicans reading this please stop this madness unite and once again be proud to be mexican irreguardless of the bullshit you think you've been trough be stronger for these experiences don't be bitter uphold yourself to the highest standards,educate yourself try to get others to get educated that is when you will make your race proud


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Terry B. Davis 4 years ago Author

Lisa, sometimes just planting the seed will help them see the truth.


Lisa 4 years ago

Terry B. Davis, you are too smart for these Gang Losers! Gangsters will never change; it's their way of life which is full of crime, drugs & no education. Just watch an episode of The First 48 in which you will see all the gang bangers kill each other! Terry, you can't change someone's way of thinking unless he wants to change himself. Usually with these gangsters, the only time they want to change is when they're facing a Life Sentence for Murder. Then, all of a sudden, they are so religious & remorseful for their crimes. NOT!


TerryYouDummy 4 years ago

Don't go so defensive then.

Enough said.


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Terry B. Davis 4 years ago Author

As you have said,"I've never said or claimed that what i've typed in the above comments were facts. It's how I..! Let me say it again .. "I" feel.."

Enough said, thanks for your comments.


TerryYouDummy 4 years ago

I've never said or claimed that what i've typed in the above comments were facts. It's how I..! Let me say it again .. "I" feel.. By the way i hope you don't think im a gang-banger.. Oh and i don't care if there not in pakistan.. I know its in the middle east.. What war on terror? Nothing has happened since 9/11..(correct me if i'm wrong.) Back to gangs.. Yes gang bangers are a bunch of sheep.. But most of them are born into a family that is already banging..Cmon though.. You really don't think the military is just one big ol' gang? To me they're similar.. At least respect my opinion.. Don't tell me to get my facts straight as i said evrything ive posted are my own beleifs.


TerryYouDummy 4 years ago

I never claimed any of my thoughts as facts.. My gang skewed sense of honor & pride? If your trying to say i bang, you're wrong..


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Terry B. Davis 4 years ago Author

Its not sterotyping, its my obsevations. If you don't understand the war on terror there is nothing I can say. US troops aren't in pakistan. Don't try to place your gangs skewed sense of honor and pride on our men and women in our armed forces. I have been in the Military and I know many that have served and are serving now. Many entered to fulfill their service to their country, as the price for living in this country and protecting its freedoms. come on if you want to compare urban terrorists to the Military at least get your facts right, otherwise just try being truthful, there are no rationalizations to justify gangs, period.

Thanks for the comments


TerryYouDummy 4 years ago

Oh and by the way .. All the wars out there i don't recall any Countries being attacked by another countrie.. Why are U.S troops still in pakistan, i don't know...


TerryYouDummy 4 years ago

Why are you stereotyping for? Your saying that gang member cries for his petty life all of them do? The military is just like a gang.. I know they fight for their country , all im trying to say is that they are no more brainwashed than gang bangers.. Fighting for something they did not start.. How can you be so sure that they attack non combatants? You're a stereotype the way im seeing the comment above. Oh and the military is full of gun hoed redneck who want to hold a gun.. Fight for their country...HA. then they cry wanting to go home. Like you stated above that bangers "cry" to be let go..


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Terry B. Davis 4 years ago Author

The biggest difference is the US Army fights against those that have armed themselves and attacked this country, unlike gang bangers, they attack non combants, and others that have done nothing to them. Gangsters have pride, and honor, I disagree otherwise every time they got arrested or appeared in court they would prodly stand up and admit what they did, why they did it and proudly proclaim themselves a gang banger fighting for there cause. Instead they lie, cheat and blame others for their choices. I can't count the number of times they have cried begging to be let go. To even make the comparison is invalid, and shows a lack of understanding the US Militaries role in war.

Again thank you for your comment.


TerryYouDummy 4 years ago

Why would you go on saying gang members are brainwashed? I know it's the wrong path to choose for anyone.But wouldn't you think the military is brainwashed as well? They kill their enemys without caring that they HAVE family, friends who care and love them.. They are given orders to kill just like any gang member is told to do so. All it is, is that you are ordered to shoot the enemy that doesn't wear your uniform.. What does the military fight for, their country..& gang members fight for their hood. Both have a sense of pride, honor & commitment.


sharketero 4 years ago

Terry all I got to say is that I was all into that shit nd.I can't help it to hate scraps buh everythan change one ma daughter was born I can't imagine maself goin out to tha streets wit ma daughter nd a punk ass scrap point a gun to ma daughter shez ma everythan nd for her I left all the bullshit ..... It ain't worth shit yu dumb heads


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Terry B. Davis 4 years ago Author

monterey county, its simple don't commit crimes and don't hang with gang members/associates. Oh and by the way, it is not a one time thing for gang association there is a criteria in place. Such as with CDCR, 3 points are needed to validate a gang member, self admission, gang tattoos, or association with known/validated gang members. The only ones that hurt their loved ones are you the criminals and gang bangers.Again get an education, get a job, be your own man and take care of your responsibilities. You hold the key to your future by the decisions you make. Either stop criminal activity or don't, either go to jail or don't, either hurt the ones you care about or don't.. its up to you, man up and make a decision. The time for crying poor you is done and gone.


monterey county 4 years ago

No,that's where your wrong because with any crime you commit (vandalism,battery,truency,etc)they try and give gang enhancement ,or gang terms for simply no reason.wether you know that or not,most of the jeveniles locked up are in there for a simple violation as curfew or associating with someone that the police consider a gang member for no reason.yet who has to take all that fault?the parents,for 3 months I was in the hall it was $ 1,763,not to include all the programs that are not necessary wich we have to pay 40 -100 $mandatory.the law enforcement doesent help,why? Because the money goes to them,before you judge us or our actions as to what we do to make money I consider you take the chance to speak to the family of the people you supposibly know so much about


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Terry B. Davis 4 years ago Author

monterey county, unless your crime is violent, involves gangs or a firearm/weapon you are correct. Best advice, no gang, violence or use of weapons and you have a good chance of getting probation/county time. Of course, don't be a criminal and then your odds of going to prison are greatly reduced.

Thanks for your comment.


monterey county 4 years ago

All I got to say is if u compare us to anyone else by the time a whiteboy hits prison, he's had plenty of chances,once we hit court all we get as a deal is prison time


100% Real Orgullo 5 years ago

I grew up on the central coast of califonia and was around gang bang life and witnessed it's destructive side first hand. Anyone who thinks they are serving a higher purpose is lying. It's about trying fill a hole, because there is something inside of you missing. Those who are not strong enough to stand on their own need a gang to stand by them. Being part of a social group is okay, but it depends on the context and purpose of that group. The truth is that the higher up you are in rank within the gang organization the more infighting and backstabbing there is, sometimes your own homies end up being your worst enemies. I know of at least one homie who steped out of line and was killed by his own family, in some cultures you can call this honor killing, but I call it savagetry. The truth is that North/South divide has become just another way to divide and conquer and the Generals sitting in Pelican Bay dont give a Crap about you, you are just a mule to bring in the Money and the Power, you are disposable to them.. that is the Truth so it is better to rise and fall on your own merrits and take responsibility 100% of who you are as human being than to be a part of something that was never going to be about you anyhow.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Ab, thank you for your comment, however I disagree with the basis for your comment. A majority of gang members are not your animals. Over the last 20 years we have supported their gang activities via our social services. Section 8 housing (in California), food stamps, educational payments to return to school or for vocational training. All this has done is set a base of income allowing them to continue criminal activity for extra cash.

Regarding the 5% hardcore gang members, they are animals and should be locked up for the protection of others. In our society members are held accountable for their decisions, good or bad. We also have the choice to change, to mend our bad decisions and make better ones and again those decisions will have a price attached to them. A majority of gang members do not maintain employment, an rely on society, friends, family,gang associates, and criminal activity to support them selves. With the new AB109, we will see criminal activity increase as there is no longer immediate and swift punishment. Currently records show a drop in crime, however from the people that I have talked with its more a drop in reporting of crime, but that is a different story,

Again thank you for your comment


Ab 5 years ago

What we need to do is put money into these communities. Not lock all of them up like there animals, they r people first and gang members second. I have family that r gang member some r family men also and they make sure there kids do not follow in there foot step. Some times people make bad choices just to survive u can't fault them for that. If u bring jobs to the hood gang violence would stop it will take time but it's worth the price of a HUMAN life


Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

$4lin4$ e4$t $ide

Sorry about that.

It is my greatest hope that you walk away from the gang influence and surround yourself with positive role models.

You said, “I hope that one day i will take it and change my life around and actually become someone in life instead of nobody.” You are not a “nobody.” You have the potential to make a difference. Use your past to make you a stronger person. Be an example, not a statistic.

Be the mother, sister, friend that you wish you had.

Don’t let the gangs take that dream from you. They claim to care. If someone cares about you they would never ask you to be involved in something that will ruin your future. Examples include: fighting, selling / using / transporting drugs, relaying messages for gang members in prison / jail, drive-by shooting, etc.

Ask yourself a few questions:

1. Would I want my children to go through the same things?

2. What am I doing to better myself?

3. What can I do to prevent this from happening to other people?

4. If the gang loves you, why do you have to do illegal things to gain their approval?

Don’t wait until it’s too late or you have a record to change your life. It makes it harder to get into certain academic programs and careers if you have a record.

Con Respecto,

Sarah


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

OGPANCHITO, I can tell from your comments you have no idea regarding the half truths and lies that are used to recrruit new members. I hope that you will do your own research about the stories they tell you and learn what their real objectives are. It is not only what I see,and hear, but I have read their 14 bonds, consitiution,and their training/educational materials, to include how to manipulate members and non-members, about all the backbiting, lies and deseat they use against their own members. I have heard thousands of phone calls to homies, homegirls, family members, friends, wives and girlfriends and how they lie and cheat to everyone. As i said before, I hope you have enough brain power to check facts for yourself, and learn the truth about all criminal street gangs.


$4lin4$ e4$t $ide 5 years ago

hi

sarah well with no disrespect i am a girl and thank you for the advice i hope that one day i will take it and change my life around and actually become someone in life instead of nobody


OGPANCHITO 5 years ago

ok old man have you ever been in the organization of NF....i don't think so so if your going by what you see then you clearly have no idea what you talkin about im proud to represent NF AND IF YOU AINT DOWN THEN fuck you


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Sarah, thanks for your comments, good advise for everyone.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

$4lin4$ e4$t $ide, as a matter of fact I have 4 kids, one x and one current wife. It was hard, but I paid my child support, fought for joint custody of my first two kids and treated all of them the same and required them to treat each other as brothers and sisters, no halves or steps. They learned a lot from seeing what I did, and what I didn't do. I also let them know that I was always looking out for them. Surprised them more than a couple of times by being at places they never expected to see me. Read Sarah rivera's comments, good advise.


Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

No, I don’t have children. I’m working on my degree. I want to finish school so that I can find a career that I enjoy. I can’t change my past but I can provide a better life for my future children.


Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

Hi

Mr. $4lin4$ e4$t $ide

I'm not Terry. I just want to let you know that there is hope. I grew up under similar circumstances. Unfortunately, the other “homies” are going through the same thing and that sort of bottled-up resentment leads to negative behavior. Almost everyone I know from “da ghetto” is a single mom (mostly females), addicted to drugs, in prison, or dead. It breaks my heart to see it.

I got tired of being broke and blaming everybody for my misfortunes. I had to change my own future. I got a job and went back to school. I’ve had the honor of studying overseas and seeing that there is more to life than being a broke Mexican. I just have to work harder to achieve my goals.

If you’re posting here, you see that there is a problem. My advice to you is to locate a youth group in your area or become more involved in school activities.

Please don’t allow your past to dictate your future. Your family may not be able to give you the emotional support or guidance you need but it’s up to you to take the initiative to break the cycle. If your friends truly respect you, they will encourage you to succeed. They won’t do anything to jeopardize or hinder you.

Remember:

You can use your experiences as motivation to succeed or an excuse to fail. The choice is yours.

Con Respecto,

Sarah


$4lin4$ e4$t $ide 5 years ago

do you have any kidz terry what would you say if your kids were in gangs what would you do to change it mostly us younster bang because are family is to busy to even spend time with us there to stuck into there self to notice us and that's why homies and homiegirls show us more love then are own family do


$4lin4$ e4$t $ide 5 years ago

oh fucking wow as i sit here in my class and see what all you homiez & homiegirlz are sayiing is true but at the same time youngster like my self are the future and keep norte going what happens when you die us youngsters get trained and ready to fightg


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Sarah Rivera, thank you for your comments, they are good advise for anyone. I wish you the best of luck in your education and your life.

Terry


Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

I have had the honor of studying overseas in Tokyo, Japan. Currently, I am working on my Bachelor’s of Science in Biochemistry and working. No, I am not receiving any funds from my parents. My parents can barely afford to feed themselves. Yes, I grew up in the ghetto and did not have anything. However, I did not allow that to hinder my future success. I used my past experiences as motivation to succeed not a crutch.


Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

With all due respect,

I believe Mr. Davis does not mean any harm by his article. We should not discard the validity of his statements based on his ethnicity. If he was of Hispanic descent would his statements be treated with the same regard?

I am of Mexican descent. I grew up in a crime-infested and economically-disadvantaged environment (A.K.A. the ghetto). I have 8 siblings. We were on welfare. My mom dated convicts. She had money to send to her boyfriend but she didn’t have any money to pay the bills or buy food. Throughout my childhood, my siblings and I visited several prisons. No prison-affiliated entity helped my family while my mom’s boyfriend was in prison. We were alone in our struggle against poverty. (I learned first hand that dating inmates is a bad idea.)

I have seen parents dress their young children in gang attire and show them gang hand signals. When I was visiting my friend, her son tried showing me the “gang handshake” that was shown to him by his father. He was also using gang terminology when referring to Nortenos. Unfortunately, this may cause a problem later.

I believe all people are capable of changing their lives. There are several programs available to help people pay for college. Instead of wasting energy blaming the “white man,” “the system,” or any other entity take that conviction and use it productively. Because I speak proper English and dress well, I’ve been accused of being a “sell out” by several of the people I grew up with. Luckily, my family has always supported me and all my endeavors.

Being Mexican, Chicano, Latino, etc. is not about listening to a particular type of music, being affiliated with a particular group, or talking Spanglish. It’s about educating ourselves and being productive members of society. How can we do that when we are teaching our children that crime and violence is appropriate behavior?


toothfary 5 years ago

yes lets all unite jajajaj that will never happen... i wish...


The MAN 5 years ago

We SHOULDN'T FIGHT EACH OTHER ALL MEXICAN,HISPANIC,CHICANO SHOULD UNITE AND FIGHT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT THERE THE ONES KILLING ARE PEOPLE,!!!!


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

chris, thank you for your comment. The only thing that I have to say is simple and too the point. It has been my lifelong experience that we, as human beings tend to judge people by ourselves. If a person cheats on their spouse, they will believe that their spouse is cheating on them. If a person lies, then they believe that everyone else also lies.

So by reading your comments it is evident on what basis you judge me and any other person or group. Oh, just for your edification going by the definition in the 1700 and 1800 hundreds I would have been considered black.


Chris 5 years ago

Amerikkka was founded on the genocide of m people & they are the biggest terrorists in the world.

I saw your bit on Somoli pirates. You know what "We" should do? Nothing because Amerikkka is hypocritical. You accuse Africa of genocide but the US was FOUNDED on it!

In conclusion, Mexicans who have Indian blood have way more right to be here than any pilgrim such as yourself no matter what your constitution says.

Iroquois pride!!


Chris 5 years ago

Man, all that shit police say about gang members being involved in 90% of crime is bullshit. They make it look like black & latinos are responsible for most crimes in the US but actually most serial killers are white & 52% of rape is committed by white males.

Terry you sound like a cop and if that's the case I got no love for you. Y'all act like you're out to protect the community but that's a lie. The cops were created in the US to catch runaway slaves and to protect big rich properties from poor people. They just tell the public that they are there to "Protect & serve" to keep them from rising up against them. Every time black & hispanic communities tried to do something positive independent of pigs, they get arrested. Ever hear of COINTELPRO? That's why the pigs to me are the same as the KKK and you got minorities in your ranks so that you can use body politics and say you ant no racists.

But they are usually self hating. As for me, I'm a Crip but I also got a strong dislike for Surenos because I can say one thing about them that is not any instigation of any gang beef on here this is just a fact: They are racist.

They've been shooting black people that aren't even affiliated! & La Eme is affiliated with A.B. so they're also sellouts o their own people.

You sound like ah typical representation of the white race. Sit there and oppress communities of color, but then knock them when they kill each other. Even though its people like you, who got "Informants and people on the streets" that destroyed most of the civil rights groups & fucked up the alliance between the Crips & Bloods.

You guys kept it going.

Also "Racists in every race" So what? This country still puts power in the hands of rich white men & only sometimes can a person of color get that too. Obama is NOT a black man.

Malcolm X was a black man!

To any Nortenos on here I respect y'all you tie your hair back keep it long, as is the Native style and I respect my brothers & sisters of the Aztec people, they are fellow red & brown men.

But as for the cops, they kill a guy, like they did that Native wood carver in Seattle John T Williams or that black man who owned the store in the Bay, Oscar Grant.

The fact is, you guys are not only representations of a racist institution but you also are seemingly abmove the law. You think that if somebody murders one of you that's somehow worse than our lives?

Well, I say BS. I spit on the grave of every policeman because I don't owe them a thing and every cop I ever met was a bully. & just like any bullies, they need to be stood up to and put in their place. Y'all are gangsters too but you have the law on your side. That's the only REAL difference.

Officer friendly is a myth, an act at best.

To see what I'm talking about read Our Enemies In Blue by Kristian Williams.

Your lives are not more important and there are plenty of jobs far more dangerous so that's another thing cops blow out of proportion.

I'd hate them just as much if they were in my family.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Norte Pride, As i have told a lot of gang members that were on parole. Work, Home and Family is the key to leading a productive life and too get off parole.

I am glad to hear your comments, taking responsibility for ones own life is the ultimate form of freedom.

Good Luck to you and your family.


Norte Pride 5 years ago

I am a Norteno who lives in Bakersfield, which is a city of Surenos....I moved here for my work and stick mostly to myself and my family. I am not trying to establish anything here but a better life. During my stay here I have met other ENEZ here...we do chill from time to time, but for the most part I ride solo because in all reality all I trust is God and the man in the mirror. I paid my dues and my debts, these days I live a peaceful private life....


((530)) 5 years ago

u don't understand what we do to protect are own i will always be down to smash on a scrap i have hate for the x3 i live XIV till i die


southsider 5 years ago

These nortenos are dumb and confused. Before nf started there was the eme it was mainly made of southern californians but only very few northern californians. Like all prison gangs you got to earn your way in but the northern californians didn't want to put in work for the mexican race so they decided to form a gang. In order to fully develop the nf they had to hide behind the blacks that's why the northerners are influenced by blacks. If the nf didn't hide behind the blacks there would be no way they would survive in prison. Surenos have a lot of pride in our raza that's why all our tattoos we earn in prison are based on the aztec culture. To these lame busters there is no cause! Gangs are based on race that's why they were created and that's why they came from prison where all the racism happens. Nortenos aint even raza your whole theory is based on northern california not the culture that us surenos fight we take a lot of pride of our ancestors and aztec culture. Oh yeah girls in gangs don't count because if they turn into snitches you can't kill them because then with the older homies your no good.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Eyes wide open,

Thank you for your comment. Communication promotes understanding, and assists us in seeing that all people have the same wants, needs and desires. The main differences is how we decide to go about fulfilling those wants, needs and desires. I believe that after a certain age we all must take responsibility for our lives and where we are. Wrongs done to us are stumbling blocks to test our resolve, do we quit, or do we adjust our methods and continue too our goals? Do we respect the rights of others, do we protect those rights for others and ourselves by our actions? When we stand in judgement how will we answer the question, what had you done in your life to help others?


EYES WIDE OPEN 5 years ago

DEAR TERRY LOOKING AND LISTENING TO ALL THE COMMENTS. MADE ME REALIZE HOW MUCH ABUSE YOU ARE TAKING I ALSO REALIZE THE GOOD THIS IS DOING. TERRY PLEASE FORGIVE SOME OF MY BROTHERS AND SISSTERS FOR THE FOUL LANGUAGE AND DISRESPECTFUL COMMENTS.AND TO ALL OF U LIKE TU-PAC SAYS I'ANT MAD AT YA.BUT SOME OF TERRYS COMMENTS THAT U FIND OFFESIVE IS JUST HIS OPPINION. NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS WE ALL HAVE THAT RIGHT AND TALKING IS BETTER THAN SHOOTING BELIEVE ME NONE OF YOU ARE WEAK BY JUST TALKING ABOUT PROBLEMS BUT INTELIGENT. BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING YOUR TRUE FEELINGS AND WHERE YOU COME FROM AND WHAT IT IS REALLY LIKE ON THESE STREETS AND IN THESE HOODS THAT AT ONE TIME IN ARE LIVES MANY OF US HAVE TO EXPERIENCE. I HAVE A FEELING EVEN TERRY HAS EXPERIENCED SOME OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT HIM AND SAY IF HE COULD DO IT I CAN. WE ARE ALL GODS PEOPLE AND WITH DOING GOOD FIRST THEN COMES TRUST AND TODAY'S WORLD IF YOU LOOK AROUND WE DNT HAVE MUCH OF THAT.SO THAT TELLS US WE NEED TO WORK ON SOME GOOD FIRST SO WE CAN TRUST.(PEACE TO EVERYONE)


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Eyes wide open, thanks for your comment. There are racists in ever race, hopefully they will learn to judge people by their character, not their color. I hate to cit this short but, my computer is down and i am not good at using the keypad on the phone. I will continue this later.


EYES WIDE OPEN 5 years ago

CALMATE EXCELLENT POINTS AND CONGRATS ON ALL YOUR SUCCESS IN YOUR EDUCATION.BUT YOU KNOW GANGS ARE SUCCESSFUL AND WILL ALWAYS BE. MY COUSIN WAS AT CHURCH WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND WHICH IS WHITE AND THEY WERE THERE SITTING LISTING TO THE SERVICE WITH HIS SISTER AND HER HUSBAN WHO ARE FAIRED SKINED AND BLUE AND GREEN EYED MY COUSIN WHO IS SERVING A SECOND TERM IN OUR NON RACIST MILITARY HA HA.IS BROWN SKINED ANYWAY MY POINT IS THIS THE WHITE PEOPLE BEHIND THEM WERE MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT HIM AND SAYING THINGS LIKE THEY HAVE MEXICAN PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH NOW MR DAVIS I HOPE U R NOT ONE OF THESE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO ACTS LIKE YOU WANT GOOD FOR ALL THEN WHEN THE TIME COMES A RACIST COMES OUT OPRESSORS R THOSE KINDS.U NO WHO THEY ARE HOWEVER.THAT'S WHY GANGS ARE SO SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE NOW GANGS THAT ARE RUNNED BUY MEX/AMER.NORTENO GANGS HAVE HIGH CLASS WHITE TEENAGED KIDS SO MR TERRY EVEN YOU AND ALL RACES. HAVE TO EXPERIENCE WHAT YOU WERE ONCE SHELTERD FROM BUT IF YOU ARE TRULY A CRUSADER TO TRY TO MAKE A CHANGE I WILL HELP YOU TO TRY AND MAKE THINGS BETTER AFTER ALL THE LIFES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING INCLUDING THE ONES COMING TO A NEIBORHOOD/STORE/SHOPING MALL.NEAR YOU.I KNOW THAT ALL SOUNDS HARSH BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFRENCE WE CAN START BUY GETTING TOGETHER REALLY ANYLIZING WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT OTHER RACIST WE NEED TO MAKE A DIFFRENCE FOR ALL NOT JUST ARE SELFS.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Calmate, who exactly are the opressors? How to they opress you as an individual?


calmate 5 years ago

This country just like this world was built on organized groups of people and or races

Norteno chicano is my race I support our cause for equality orale carnales stand.up and fight back against our opressors


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

MG, thank you for your comments. You are correct to a certain extent, regarding that I can not understand the "RAZA". I was raised as an american, work hard, better yourself and your family, treat others the way you want to be treated. I have never seen myself as a race or as a WASP, but as an individual, I am myself. Regarding my race, I am a bit of everything. In my immediate family we represent several races, are proud of our heritage, but it does not define us as a person. I myself dislike the amount of control the Federal govt has over our lives, but that is another story. As far as gangs their only objective is power/control and money and fear are used to those ends. Many of the movements they have attempted to highjack and use as a tool to control those that do not do their homework. Also our views of the heroes you discussed are a bit different. I am familiar with Zapata and Chavez. Zapata was an outlaw and chavez had a good idea about bringing better working conditions to field workers, but he was bought by the Democratic party and was used to further their political ideas. The kennedy's gave him a lear jet, with pilot and fuel, and he accumulated several very nice homes. I know we may never agree on these issues, but I do enjoy the debate.

I thank you again for your comments, and hope to hear from you again. If not I wish you the best of luck, and commend you on graduating from college.

Again thank you and take care.


mg 5 years ago

I am 24yo, completed my BA at UC Riverside, born and raised in socal, was exposed a bit to older cousins who use to rep x3 when i was young but when I entered my teens they all had passed away, dropped out the lifestyle or are in prison. I will say one thing, I enjoy Chicano Rap and Urban Culture a lot, being a member of the demographic here many youth gravitate to the urban culture around them, which in most inner cities always lends itself to gang affiliation. Beyond that however, I will explain that from many of the symbols & ethics Northern Chicanos (in a general sense, but also including active gang members/affiliates) utilize as ideological tiers for their organization(s) does differ from Southern California gang culture. In northern California, specifically in the 60's, you see many revolutionary movements formed in Northern California (i.e. the Black Panthers) as well much relocation of Mexican immigrants and Mexican-Americans to the Central Valley seeking a better life. You see the striking differences when listening to Sureno rap in contrast to Norteno chicano rap (none is on the airwaves by the way, however by no means does it mean their fanbases are small--artists such as: Darkroom Familia, LowDown, Aztec Tribe, Mr. Shadow etc), more references to civil-rights struggles, veneration of the UFW "Huelga Bird", chants of "Viva La Raza", "Brown Pride", and proletariat/working class life endeavors. As a consumer of Hip Hop music and youth (I am not gang affiliated, do not sport specific colors---however I do dress "urban"style some may say) I find this more appealing, while Sureno rap is more commonly just about criminal lifestyles, bling, women, the fast life (akin to mainstream music i.e. 50 cent, snoop dogg), which exactly mirrors what many youth mention here---how Nortenos differ from Surenos (this is the only valid point raised in this regard)...i.e. Surenos generally lack awareness of their own cultural history, are racist to those who have recently arrived from across the border etc..all these things are true to a degree, and are reflected in the styles of both genres (Sureno and Norteno rap----which is what fuels the evolution of their urban culture). I feel strongly about our heritage (indigenous roots) and the CAUSE (which the Chicano Movement of the 1960s called "LA CAUSA"---empowerment of our people), and all of these factors along with my limited exposure to witnessing the fate of my past family members allowed me to keep a high esteem of myself and my people. Gang organizations and a lot of subtle symbols and notions embedded/adopted (from other revolutionary movements) all tie in to the recruiting and growth of these addictive form of urban culture. It is their way of translating the ideas movements of the past into the only "worldly image" they know of--the streets, the hood. That is why many of us refer to it as a "Cause". Although when I say cause and venerate the UFW Huelga Bird I am re cognizant of their actual meanings and origins (La Cause of the Chicano Movement, not street warfare). I believe this at least, from my perspective, that folks such as Terry can never comprehend or feel (as San Jonero mentioned). Again this is not a "pro" comment, as I have not been involved in this lifestyle but do see many of the empowering aspects of just one part of urban culture youth phenomena. It does go a bit deeper than how I explain it I hope to empower youth of my demographic and I am glad I came across this forum as it reminded me of keeping my vision forward towards the real "Cause" (even tho I am not referring to it in a gang context, I still see the complexity of explaining this to an outsider, no matter what life experiences you've gone thru).

For the young homies...Learn about real brown pride, our cultural heroes (Zapata, Frida, Cuauhtemoc, Chavez) and the Chicano movement. Go to Chicano Cultural events like the Annual Chicano Park Day, Pow Wows (a lot native Americans), something bigger than you and a real "Cause" to empower our people.-Peace from 310 with respects to the ethics of Honor, Loyalty and Respect, which is the only thing worthy mentioning of the NF.


AMERICAN MEXICAN 5 years ago

MR DAVIS SIR I THINK ITS GREAT WHAT YOUR TRYING TO DO BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO EDUCATE I TO HAVE WORKED SINCE AGE OF 12 GREW UP WITH A STEPFATHER AND THINGS WERNT PERFECT DID THE GANG THING FELT WAT YOUNGSTERS AND EVEN SUM OLDER MEN CALL RESPECT LOVE FAMILY ECT. WHEN I HEARD THE ONE YOUNGSTER SAY HIS FATHER WAS A COP IT WASENT A SHOCK JUST A REMINDER THAT GANGS ARE REAL AND TILL THE DAY WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF BEING AMERICANS FIRST AND EVERY THING SECOND THEN WE WILL REALIZE GANGS ARE FOR KIDS AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF NOTHING. EVEN IF ITS ONLY FOR A MINUTE. MY GRND FATHER WAS A W.W 2 VET TAUGHT US RESPECT AND SAID HE FAUGHT 4 THIS COUNTRY TO MAKE A BETTER LIFE FOR ME AND OUR FAMILY AND FOR ALL AMERICAN MEXICANS. NOT THAT HE WASN'T PROUD TO B MEX BUT HE LEFT MEXICO TO MAKE A BETTER LIFE FOR HIM AND US AND ALWAYS SAID IF YOU ARE NOT PROUD TO LIVE HERE AND THINK THEIRS A BETTER PLACE THEN GET THE HELL OUT I MEAN NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE BUT OUR FINACES SUFFER IN THIS STATE BECAUSE PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES REALIZE JUST LIKE MY GRANDFATHER THAT THE US IS GREAT AND WAT DO I DO TO BECOME A MEMBER AND THEIR BECOMING CITIZENS AND NOT JUST MEX.ALSO PEOPLE FROM GERMANY, UKRAIN, RUSSIA,PORTUGULE,JAPAN,THEIR SHOULD BE THE SAME BORDER LOCK DOWN ON THE CANADIN BORDER ASS WELL AS WATERS FROM CUBA,HATIA,PORTORICO,JAMACA, ECT.ECT.WHY IN THE NEWS IS IT ALWAYS MEXICO BECAUSE THE FOCUS IS ON US PEOPLE WAKE UP UNITE LOOK WHO ARE PRESIDENT IS WHEN A BLACK MAN CRIES HE GETS WAT EVER HE WANTS AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE WAY THEY WERE TREATED EVEN IF HISTORY SHOWS AT SUM POINT WE WERE ALL SLAVES OR TREATED LIKE ONE. WHITES ARE AT THE MURCY OF BLACKS BECAUSE THEY CAN PROVE WHAT WHITES DID TO THEM. FORGET TAKING CALIFORNIA FROM MEXICANS AND WE HAVE BEEN THE BACKBONE OF AGRICULTURE FOR CAL WE DNT COMPLAINE BECAUSE OUR PRIDE GETS THE BEST OF US PEOPLE BECAUSE WE NO WAT HARD WORK IS AND WE NO PEOPLE LIKE TERRY CANT DO THE WORK AND BE SUCCESSFUL AT IT FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AND THAT'S WHY THEY FIND WAYS TO MAKE MONEY OTHER WAYS AND AT THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE LIKE ME AND YOU AND EVEN IF HE IS NOT HE GOTS ME AND YOU TALKING AND HE PROBLY IS MAKING MONEY OFF US DOING IT JUST SUMTHING 2 TINK ABOUT.ALSO OTHER STATES THAT HAVE NO OTHERS EXCEPT MONG AND LAOTIONS BUT NOTICE THEY HARVEST VEG AND FRUITS THAT GO TO STORES THAT ARE PERTAINING TO THERE CULTURE AND THERE DIET THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE SUM WAT UNITED I SEEN WERE THEY ALL LISTEN TO A LEADER OF THERES GIVING ADVICE AND HELP AND MOTIVATION IN EVERY DAY LIFE STUGGLES AND THEY KEEP LISTENING BECAUSE IT REALLY WORKS. AND LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE WITH LARGE SUMS OF MONEY ARE DOING WITH IT. HELPING EACH OTHER COMES WITH TRUST AND NOT TRYING TO GET OVER ON EACH OTHER ONCE WE OVER COME THAT THEN WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE AS PEOPLE AND AMERICANS AND THEN WE CAN THANK PEOPLE LIKE TERRY.


that guy 5 years ago

MR TERRY B.DAVIS I have to give u credit I HOPE I DON'T OFFEND YOU IN ANYWAY BUT I FIND IT AMUSSING THAT A WHITE ABOVIOUSLY WHELTHY MALE IS TRYING TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE IMPACT GANGS. ARE HAVING ON NOW ARE HOLE WORLD. MR DAVIS I HAVE TATTOES CAN WALK THE WALK AND TALK THE TALK IVE STAYED OUT OF THE PEN.DUE TO WATCHING AND LISTING AND WAT I CALL SELF TEACHING, SEEING FRESNO CA AND SOME USE TO BE NORTENO GANG MEMBERS BREAK OFF STARTING A STREET GANG CALLED BULLDOGS TO EACH HIS OWN. I CAN GO TO WATS CALLED SCRAP TOWN AND I CAN GO WHERE EVER I WANT TO. BECAUSE IAM WHO IAM IAM FROM EVERY WHERE. I CAN EVEN FOOL YOU IN YOUR COMMUNITY OF ALL WHITE TO ALL MY MEXICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN GANGS OR NOT. TO VATOS WHO HAVE DONE TIME OR WHO HAVEN'T IF U R DOWN AND TRYING TO MAKE A POINT. THAT'S YOUR THING BUT IF U R TRULLY AS REAL AS SUM OF YOU CLAIM. LET NOT JUST ARE MEX.BROTHERS AND SIS.NO TO UNITE BUT ALL LATINOS I HERD TERRY GIVE PROPS. TO AN inmate WHO IS DOWN DOING TIME BROTHER I MEAN NO DISRESPECT BELIEVE ME IAM NOT SHARING WITH THIS GAVA.THE TRUE ME CAUSE HE WOULD CA CA HIS CHONES.BUT TERRY AND EVERYONE GIVING MY YOUNG RACE ADVISE TELL THEM JUST LIKE TERRYS RACE UN TILL WE PUT ARE DIFFRENCES ASIDE GET INTO BUSINESS POLITICS LIKE WE ALREADY ARE BUT MOST IMPORTANT HELPING EACH OTHER WITH A HELPING HAND WE THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL BE TRUE CHICANOS, MEXICANOS, LATINOS OR WAT EVER WE WANT TO CALL ARE SELFS.TERRY IF YOU ARE TRYING TO DO GOOD THEN ALL THE GOOD TO YOU. I NO CDC AND IT'S a MIRICLE I SEE SUNSHINE AGAIN I WANT GOOD FOR ALL MY PEOPLE LOCKED UP OR NOT BUT SOMEONE MENTIONED BORDER BROTHERS HAVE YOU EVER SEEN 3-4 FAMILYS OF BORDER BROS.LIVING ALL IN A 2 BED RM HOUSE. YOU NO WHY BECAUSE WERE THEIR FROM IS NOT ONLY FROM MEX. BUT FROM CAL-NORTHERN STATES THAT'S WAT MEX. HISTORY SHOWS SO EVERYONE ITS ABOUT HELPING OURSELFS SO WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER. AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A MEXICAN GUY GIVING US ADVISE INSTEAD OF TERRY ANY ONE WANTING TO KNOW WHO IAM I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAVE BEEN AROUND A lot OF DEATH AND REALIZE THAT DEATH IS EAZY I SEEN A PERSON MAKE ANOTHER PERSON TAKE WAT WE ALL VALUE MOST BUY JUST TALKING CRAP TO HIM CONSTANTLY. SO ITS NOT ABOUT HATING TERRY ITS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING HOW HE LIVES AND WHY HE THINKS THE WAY HE DOES. SO WE CAN LIVE IN THIS WORLD WITH HIM EVEN IF HE LIVES IN THE SUBURBS AND WE LIVE IN THE BARRIO WERE WE KNOW HOW TO SURVIVE TO MY LATINO BRO-SIS.WHEN TIMES GET RUFF GRAB YOUR RICE AND BEANS AND BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE CAUSE THAT'S WATS GOING TO GET YOU TO TOMORROW I LOVE ALL MY RAZA I JUST HOPE ONE DAY WE ALL CAN SAY THE SAME TO EACH OTHER A PERSON TOLD ME ONE TIME LIFE IS NOT ONLY WAT YOU MAKE IT BUT WAT YOU DO IN THIS WORLD TO MAKE IT BETTER. MUCH LOVE SHOT OUT TO SPIDER DOING BIG FED TIME FROM YOUR ONCE LIL HOMIE NOW CANT TOUCH MY BACK TO SCRATCH HOMIE ALL GOOD THOUGH GOT A GOOD GIRL TO HELP ME OUT OG. LIL.. CHANDLER.THE REST YOU ALREADY KNOW.


1~$ñøøpý~4 5 years ago

Dis is to all you bitch ass pussys takin shit like terry your jest some rich ass white punk because u ask y ppl do this and why cant they see that what there doin is wrong but did u ever conceder that mybe not everyone can go to collage or live in da nice part of town i grew up in frisco and never had a dad in my life daNORTE iz my life and im fukin proud of what iz done iv spent 10years in san qenton AND would live my life all over the same way if i could because all always have my homboyz n hood to back me up no mader wat and would if i had da chance cap ur ass if could so your dumm ass codent talk shit about wat u think u now but have no clue about u fukin whit ass mutherfuker


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elvira renee 5 years ago

im glad i had a chance to express my opinion. it may sound childish and idiotic but i wish that one day for america to finally understand what it is doing to itself. how crippling it is to help people when we cannot even help oursleves.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Everyone makes choices, the reprecussions of those decissions we may or may not see, but regardless they are a result of our decissions. This country gives us the right and the responsibility for our decissions. I choose not to finish high school, or not to learn a trade, then I have limited myself, or made it more difficult for me. A child has no choice on where they are born or who their parents are. With that said, as we grow up we learn, we see others, we eventually make a decission to either be one way or the other.

You have every right to make any statement you choose, and I have the same right. Everyone is different with different experiances and different educational levels etc...

Our founding fathers fought wars, and they had a court system, they also fought crime.

How many lives did your uncle destroy? How many kids looked up to him and wanted to be just like him, how many of those lives ended in tragedy. A lot of the high ranking gang members can be very charming, be good fathers, husbands and son's. But outside of that mask, they kill, steal, and plunder. Just look at the difference between how the Japanese reacted to a devastating earthquake and tusnami, as compared to this county, and others where street criminals see it as an chance to steal, rob and kill people. The 1989 the San Franciso earthquake, the first three days everyone was one people and helped each other, then after the third day, looting and stealing began, street criminals began thinking of themselves and started looking out for themselves. The same way that business, very few, but some jacked up their prices to make money on the incident.

I also agree that we need to get back to pure capitalism, we will trade fairly with anyone, but we do not need to take sides in any other countrys internal affairs unless they harm us directly. Let Iran have weapons of mass destruction, once they have them and they make threats against our country, then we should deliver enough weapons too them to reduce them to a world of 1,000 years ago, wandering through the deserts.

As far as having to live in a place where you have to fight to be safe, then you either fight or move elsewhere where you can live in peace and safety, that again is a choice. Remember the dust bowl in the mid-west, some people stayed to fight the dirt, others packed up, moved west, and worked the field and any other job they could find to support their family.

This country only gives you the opportunity to succede, it does not promise success.

My uncle grew up picing peaches and walnunts, he got to go to school only after work was done. He finished high school, worked, married, had a family and supported them. He made good choices, and worked hard and made the american dream for himself and his family.

Why are we giving our money to support people who refuse to provide for themselves, who want someone else to do the work and give them the benefit of that work? Why do we worry about what someone else makes, instead of worring about what we make. Recently people say the rich need to pay more taxes to make it fair, really? Fair means equal, not get even. 10% of $1,000.00 is $100.00, and 10% of $200,000.00 is $20,000.00. Who paid more? answer 20,000 is more 100, but both paid 10% of what they made, it is even or fair.

One last thing, I am obligated to help my family or neighbors if they are worthy of it. I am not responsible for others, unless I choose to be. Using other peoples money to give to people is not giving it is stealing. When an individual decides who, when and how much to give, that is giving. I have helped people, friends, and family when they deserved it. I have also refused to help those friends and family members that refused to help themselves.

Sorry I got off track, but thank you for your comments, as i said before we may not agree, but you have the right to state your views, discussion is good I look forward to reading your hubs. These are a great way to start a discussion, learn something and appriciate other peoples points of view, even when the differ from yours.


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elvira renee 5 years ago

at least we agree one thing. i don't understand how you can say that those people, or gang memebers, would put themselves in that position. that is like saying you put yourself into ur "poverty stricken childhood". it is like saying a dog chose to get beat. yes i mean they may have made some bad decisions i mean look at our wonderful president. did he do half the things that he said he would? no he didn't. at all. not by a long shot. and if this is condisdered treason so speak my mind. than that is violating one of my right of freedom of speech. well i wonder what our founding fathers would say about were we are now. fighting about gangs and going into wars. it is crazy, those people out in the streets have to fight just to have a family that is even a little bit safe. it isn't fair to critze them. and if you had such a terriable childhood than shouldn't you have more compassion and understanding for those who are going through an even worse time than you? my uncle is in the mafia, he is a great family man, but you see he protects his family with his life. if that makes him wrong.

than i don't know what is right anymore.

maybe instead of blowing all our tax payers money in forgein countries who will never repay us, why don't we use it in our own country. that is crumbling under the pressure to be the best.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

elvira, I agree with your comments about government, with one exception. The housing bubble which started all of the economic problems began with threats made by so called equal rights groups, that they would take lenders to court if low income people of color where not given loans. This was then jumped on by the Democratic controlled congress and senate, who allowed fannie mae and freddy mac to begin buying loans where the buyers were not meeting the guide lines for income etc... At that point the wall street people began packaging these types of loans and selling them, which eventually lead to the economic crash that effect wall street and banks. Then the democratic controlled US government and Bush set up bailouts. I believe that if a business makes bad investiments they shouls have to pay for their mistakes, period.

You are also correct, gangs control all the activities of its members and even rumors can cost them their lives, so why would anyone place themselves in a position to be controlled and abused in such a manner?

Excuse me, but I have worked since the age of 12 and have never been out of work for more than 2 months. I cleaned ditches, picked up garbage, was a dishwasher, gas station attendant, a sales person, stockboy, and picked strawberries. My family was not rich by any stretch of the imagination, Growing up, I had two sets of clothes, one for school and one to play in (which included shoes). When the soles of my shoes became detached we put cardboard inside and taped the sole back together. We collected soda bottles and took them to the local market to turn them in. We were poor, but my father and mother made sure that we treated others fairly and with respect, and that we respected other peoples property. We never accepted any government handouts, we worked and saved for what we needed, and delayed what we wanted til we could save for it, we had no credit, we lived in one room of my grandparents house( that was five of us), until i was 5 years old and my parents were able to save enough to buy a 2 bedroom home in a poor area. So your golden spoon theroy has no merit.


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elvira renee 5 years ago

our government is currupt and it disgusts me. i love how politicians think they are above the law well they arent. the people that made wall street crumble made amercia crumble deserve to be put in jail. deserve to be in PUBLIC jail. they deserve to pay the price for what they did to the economy.

and another thing about gangs, you don't know anything unless you experience it for yourslef. seen it for yourself. done it for yourself. you have no clue what position some of these people have been put into. you may thing life as a gang member is easy. that is FAR from the truth. always having to watch your back always having to make sure to watch were u step watch who u talk to who u look at. u always have to be careful. its not an easy life. its a hard one. i give props to those who have the guts to do anything they need to do to protect and provide for their families. and all u have to do is sit there making america crumble and get billlions of dollars. sorry jerry some of us have to work for money. i suggest you start doing the same.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

JeSterking52,

Your comment was interesting, your statement about no government. Just remember, the governments laws also protect you and the criminal street gangs. Without the law, there would be no rights, no courts, no prisons, and the citizens would be armed and free to protect themselves and their possessions.

Currently the law keeps many law abiding citizens unarmed and restricted from protecting themselves, families and possessions.

What would happen the next time gangsters did a drive-by and everyone on the street was armed and had no fear of shooting back? It makes me wonder, who would survive?

That would make a good action movie.


JeStErKiNg52 5 years ago

I'm not norteno, but I am a 52Hoova. I say that people should live truly free and the gov't can shov a shottie up their ass and pull the fucking trigger. Much love to the Soldiers of the Streets. Rep yo Click. 52Hoova CRIP 4 LIFE.


donttrip 5 years ago

nortenos, surenos, bloods, crips, of today are gang affliated because they think they're cool killing people. they think it makes them more of a person. don't lie. if your gang affiliated you know that you feel all big and bad when you hit fools up. i laugh at ALL GANGBANGERS because they think being a gangster or drug dealer is the only way to get through life. go to school. get a job and shut the fuck up. got no money for school? get financial aid. too lazy for school? then you're pretty much pathetic


Notorious 5 years ago

If some of you are real northerners you shouldn't be on here spilling your guts and attempting to explain yourselfs to someone who isn't a factor. Unless you really care what this guy thinks. I wouldn't give him another reason to think he's better than any of us. Obviously gangs drew his attention as well.


David t.  5 years ago

most norteno gang members are just pons in the game ticking to fall off the board. Its clearly seen that they are brain washed since youth.

So cal.


zmilez (: 5 years ago

This ain't rite u shouldn't b saying shit about ppl u don't even knoe


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

ChiCana, Thank you for your comments. I am sure that they will bring knowledge and understanding of the gang lifestyle and problem it represents.


ChiCAna_POR VIDA 5 years ago

Heyy yoo foo!!! only cux yu talked too xome ppl that are qanq related doxentt mean!!! yu know what the fuck itt meantx to be a xoldierr, XO DONTT THINK YOU KNOW CUX YU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING N WE DON'T TO THIX TO ACT HARD WE DON'T GOTTA ACT HARD! XO DON'T GET IT COUNFUXED OLD AS GRANDPA! N WE DON'T XALE DRUGX TO OUR KIDX ONLY CUX YU DO IT DON'T MEAN WE DO XO DON'T B TALKING THAT YU KNOW CUX YU DON'T KNOW XHYTT!!! NORTE POR VIDA E$$J


iloveyou5 5 years ago

simple truth!


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Nightmare, what you claim to have done doesn't really matter. What i have done or haven't done is my business that I deal with on a daily basis.

Gangs affect my community and I will put my nose where ever it needs to be to protect law abiding citizens and community members from lawless thugs who believe might makes right.


NIGHTMARE 5 years ago

Well all i have to say is that famly comes first for Nortenos then the gang and u haven't been out in the real world like we have and garrentee u never will be. have u been stabbed or shot at or not even shot at but actully shot gareentee u haven't i have tho and iam lucky to bee alive. u need to keep ur nose out of business that doesn't concern u Terry B. Davis


iloveyou5 5 years ago

Well said!!!


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Hm, your doubt's have nothing to do with fact.


Hm 5 years ago

For some reason I highly doubt that's your actual picture..


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

. Then re-send it stupid.


5 years ago

lie. With this one it will be 4 that i have posted only 3 are up i wonder why?


lilbro1214 5 years ago

It's funny how u think u cool walk-in down the street then a. An suv pull up full of scraps and they pull out them aks that shit ain't cool I've lost over30 Homies and all I can say is I'm glad I'm out I'm still a youngster but Ive seen Shit I was down but luckily I got out so think real quick before ya join and this man terry he's cool listen to him. He may not have witnessed Shit in person but he knows Wat happened. Rip hay zeaus


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

. Two were received and two where posted.


5 years ago

why didn't you post my other comment terry it had no shoutouts it followed all the guidelines?


707 5 years ago

blinks stay out this conversation you don't know any thing bout living in the hood


5 years ago

you don't shit about the hood you can sit here and talk all this stuff but from the way you talk i can tell if you did you would be saying we need more programs to keep kids focused and on the right path keeping them away from drugs gangs and all that what you think is there already around them go ahead and let em kill were gonna get em its like watching your kid draw on the wall and then getting him in trouble if you really gave a fuck you would try and strive for programs that like i said would help people out and yea i am racist fuck you high class white folk because most lower class like myself white folk bang just like other homeboys no diffrence just because of their skin color you aint hood you never were if you were you would understand the reasons why people do what they do and act like they act so TERRY B DAVIS FUCK YOU and no i aint american im mexican american to be more specific CHICANO


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

No name. First off, you know very little about me. My child hood was not rich, wasn't even middle class. The two racial groups in my neighborhood were Mexicans and okies. My father dug ditches, we turned in bottles every month to get money to go to the drive in movie on 1 dollar a carload. I grew up as the NF was forming, and was jumped once. After I healed my father took me to each kids house. My Father told their father either the kids would fight one on one in the yard, or the fathers were going to fight on the porch. Did i win every fight? No, but after that the neighborhood knew, there would be an even fight one way or another. Again I hear no responsibility coming from you for you failure to abide by laws, it is always someone elses fault. Take responsibility for your actions, after all your decissions have placed you where you are. Growing up, I know what it is like not to have food. I ate a lot of mustard, lettuce, and green onion sandwiches. What I did learn was that sometimes bad things happen beyound your control, and your choices in life is what shapes your future.

Lastly, beyound race, we are all Americans first. Now just to let you in on a little information, my immediate family is more racially inclusive than yours. So it would appear that you are the racist. What is a racist? In my view is any individual or group that puts race above all else without consideration for individuals.

Thank you for your article, I am sure that readers of this hub have learned a lot about the gang mentality.


blinks 5 years ago

aint no way bro the north sticks there neck out and keep to there own to help the community surenos on the other hand just read some of the reports on them

and then tell me the nortenos are worst cuz they aint


5 years ago

i believe terry like most other high class white folk use sterotyping to advance their carrer. The simple truth is that they capitalize off of young gang members. theres money to be made and they make it.Where i come from we are now being told to go to college to actually better ourselves.what we need is lawyers,doctors,engineers,scientists.why? well all to better OUR people people that up until today are still referd to by $crapz as farmers.terry b never participated in a street gang because he was never in the situation where it wus a nessecity.therefore he will never understand the lifestyle.Even with all the so called expirence he has he will never know what its all about $crapz aint raza fuck em all. they never will be more than a bunch of wetbacks and beaners and when i say those two derogatory terms im not reffering to mexicans im reffering to these so called $urenos that have no organization no morals no belifs no structures no disipline nothing.There like Monkeys they wont ever progress. people like terry capitalize off hispanics because theres always racism involved the judge may be black but the jurys probably white therefore the young hispanic will always be sentenced to the most. people like terry have made it into an endless trap setting up laws such as the ones that turn regular indivuals into gang members just because thy they might choose to hangout with their cousin friend uncle dad and so on that happens to be on porbation/parole they then are labeled a gang member even if the only thing the indivual can be charged with is public intoxication next time they get caught they get fucked even harder. once you're in the system its setup to never let you go.your fucked for life when you get out on parole the cops all know you they stop you you have a joint and there you go again. theres no way you can just move to a diffent state and get a new start your parole officer wont let you you come from a low income family that has no money to help you move therefore theres no way to get a fresh start if the government really wanted to rehabilitate criminals they would set up programs in different states with jobs and housing for the parolees but they don't why cause they make money............ TERRY B DAVIS and THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT FUCK YOU.. and for the northerners reading this fight for the cause better our people stay out of the system fight with the pen but "always keep a sword for when the pen fails"


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Being happy and taking care of your family, community and country is what life is about. My problem is with the criminal element, that is the part that is wrong and should be punished.


707 5 years ago

(Sf 4 life) i feel you carnal. We should all be respected either Norteno or not just cause we drink and smoke don't make us a menace 2 society. Look terry we choose this life 2 be Nortenos and you should respect that just like you respect a christian 2 believe in his religion or practice. Im tryin 2 make a livin trying 2 get a dollar outta 14 cense. Its every ones job in life 2 grow old have kids have a family and do what makes them happy. I think that you should just let us be happy and live are lifes but we arnt able 2 if we keep being critized like this you making us look bad i aint no norteno but i shure as hell would back it up my family is all northerners. I may not bang but just as (SF 4 Life) Said i always got love for Northern California thank you. 707 Califa$


SF 4 life 5 years ago

707 i can relate to you im 13 i fucked up some scrap and ive been in multiple fights with them. I got Norteno homies and Norteno family but im tryin to suceed in life and do what's right. I will always take pride in Northern California (707) cuz im a proud chicano Who loves tha bay and I will protect my family and my homies. Stay True and much love to tha Bay


sacra life 5 years ago

terry b. as im reading i see that you repeatedly ask these homies to explain or tell you the cause of the life style but any real norte wouldn't give you the straigh up honest truth or the reasons behind the things we do. i must say that you are right about many things that you state but obviously its not because you lived threw it but because its your job 2 research or Investigate Gang life and Many of you hmbys and hmgrls are correct tambien but my respectabale opinion is to keep your pride and represent on these streets. f**k all this internet banging, real talk! keep it trucha and low profile


707 5 years ago

im sorry i didn't mean would go looking fo trouble i ment wouldn't 707 Califa$


707 5 years ago

i think that the gang life is something that u are pressured into terry i respect what u have 2 say but Northerners are just like every onee else im only 14 and i was threatened,shot at,stabbed and that was all before the gang life started coming into my life and it all stared with one fight with a rat when i would kick it with my homiez(Northeners) they would go looking for trouble or wouldn't be harming the innocent skraps would be coming 2 there house and threating there familys what would you do if some1 did that 2 your wife or child wouldn't u you want revenge of some sort i am trying too graduate and go onto college and live my life like every other person northeners should be respected and treated like every other person thank you 707 Califa$


ONLY Jesus is God 5 years ago

Jalapeno, that was well put. That is real. Our children need to hear it. Please keep pressing the issue because you went all out to do your dirt as we all have but you as an ex-gang member, you have that awareness to spread the truth about what really goes on behind these puppet masters minds. And thank you too Terry for starting this forum.


Trees for days 5 years ago

Jalapenos is right. Well said stick up for yourselves and be like real people not savages.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Jalapeno,

Thank you for your comment, very well put. Best of luck to you and yours.


Jalapeno 5 years ago

I just came across this site and just had to respond to the ignorance of this young so called wanna be a N.F and EME punk. I spent over 20 years in prison, Pelican Bay SHU included. You youngsters are living for a bunch of lifers who don't give a shit about you, because when I filled all you youngsters with their beliefs, rules, laws, and polices; I knew it was all bullshit. I just wanted some young bitches to do my bidding. We do not give a shit about you and if you die or get life you think we are going to take care of you? Think again. It is all about how many of you youngsters can we get to believe our bullshit. You call yourself a gangster yet as soon as some O.G tells you to put in work you obey like the little bitch that you are. Always trying to gain the affection of a man you call your big homie. So, what is the difference between a prostitute and a gang banger? There isn't no difference. You both sell yourself for benefit of a man. The big homies sit in the bay collecting money off the backs of you youngsters n order to take care of their family not yours. Open your eyes,do they pay your moms bills? I didn't think so. Though, you can best believe the are paying there moms, wives and love ones bills. In the bay we are thought to use youngsters to do the dirty work. As we sit in Pelican in peace and harmony with the same people we have you killing. When do you get a set of balls and stand on your own two feet? Rather then needing to be a part of a gang to feel like your somebody? There is no cause or struggle and you are never going to be anybody "how can you?" Look at the caliber of individuals that you are trying to please. drug addicts, liars, thieves, murders, robbers, uneducated, losers and failures. So how do you youngsters expect to be anybody around a bunch of nobodies? A four year old girl can pull a trigger, that doesn't make her a man. Sorry she is still a little girl. None of you have 4.0 GPA. You are throwing your life away for a bunch of dope addicts sitting in the Bay with nothing else to do but pimp young nortenos Y surenos in order to make money while they serve out their life sentences. Keep believing that you are somebody, that what you are doing has some grand cause. The only cause is cause your big homies are a bunch of dope addicts. The sad part about you youngster is that you won't listen to your mom, pops, grandmother, and those that want good for you, but you will listen to a drug addict who does give a shit about you. How stupid are you? Well that is the problem right there. We in the Bay are banking on you stupid ass youngster who will believe our bullshit. Put our symbols and signs on you so that everybody knows that your stupid ass belongs to us. A punk is a person who allows him or herself to be told what to do by another grown man. Hmmmm? Sound familiar? See you can say all you want to Mr.Terry Who really does know what he is talking about its just that he speaking from an educated standpoint, unlike many of you youngsters. I really think I should go here, though when you youngsters talk about snitching well that is what you gang bangers all are you each snitch on each others its how your big homies keep track of all their fresh meat in their stable. You youngster tell on each other trying to gain points with the big homies by reporting on who is not following the gangs rules. Sorry to bust your bubble but snitching is snitching, regardless of how you try to justify it. Look at how many of your homies are no good for breaking the gangs rules and laws. Do you think they told on themselves? Someone told on them. snoopy didn't pay taxes, droopy boned the big homies girl, lummpy is getting high, and the list goes on.So think about it next time one of you gangsters talks about what another homie isn't doing or is doing. It is only cool to snitch when it benefits the big homies. How do they know what is going on in the streets. Someone is telling, oh excuse me its called reporting. Yeah sounds good!! So, in conclusion take a look at the chicken shit life that you youngster are living for the benefit of your Raza. You know nothing about your Raza. You are committing genocide all for a bunch of dope addicts in Pelican Bay. Yes, I am a D.O, punk, coward, piece of shit, garbage blah blah blah. But I will tell you what I am not, that is another mans two dollar whore/bitch selling myself for and for what???? Though, do you really think I care what they say about me? remember gang bangers are all just a bunch of losers and failures trying to be somebody around a bunch of nobodies. So, their opinion or view of me is not worth "THE PIMPLE ON MY ASS!!!!" I don't live in fear of what they will do or what they say about me. The gang does make you into anybody, except another mans Bitch!! A good book to read "The Testimony of A Black Sheep" Then maybe you will see what I am talking about. The Game is to be Sold not Told, Though today you get it for free.

I could of wrote this as Mr. Terry in an educated manner, but sometimes you have to lower your standards to get your message across. Since you youngsters seem to be so ignorant and stupid to believe the bullshit. Grow up and learn how to count past 13 and 14 and you just might be somebody in life.


Trees all day 5 years ago

I never said that... I don't want gangs cuz i don't want my homies locked up or 6 feet under. Trippin over colors and north or south that's dumb as fuck were supposed to protect our own not kill our own race.


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Kisah 5 years ago

Trees all day,

then STFU! wtf are you doen here talkin abu not wanting gangs or shit like that if you gt fam nd "friends" nd aha sum hoe? ahaha aight sure nd u just sum nigga talkin ova the internet too so was ya point?! das rite there is none.. now i got fam too in both sides so wat? u think i don't noe shit? sure


Trees all day 5 years ago

Ive never had a fight with any nortenos im chill wit them its that sur faghots who are lil bitches. I have pasding grades and yes i choose to smoke weed go cry about it fool. You really don't know nothin about me so quit runnin your mouth hoe. And your just some lil bitch sayin shit over tha internet. I know all about tha Nortenos and surenos i got family and friends in tha Norteno gang. I smash on scraps all tha time but i choose not to be in tha gangs becaise im better than that no disrespect to any nortenos but that's my opinion so deal wit it


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

SK, tell me what I don't know. Regarding your statement," u dnt know so b quiet", last I knew we are in the United States of America where free speech and the exchange of information and ideas is my right. If you wish to participate in a discussion you need to bring a little bit more to the table as opposed to slurs and demands.


Sk 5 years ago

Fool u dnt know so b quiet


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Kisah 5 years ago

aha well go ahead try nd take "yhur" streets back gud luck w. that! ahaha nd hmm yhu shudnt be sayn things abu gangs cus really? trees all day? hmm not such a good name low life...you aint no one to be sayin nothing abu no one or they life cus yhu aint gt noooo clue wah they been thru!


Trees all day 5 years ago

I think gangs are for low lifes and pussys cause every time its supposed to be a one on one it turns into a whole different problem tha famuly gets involved or other members do so i say we try and take back our streets cause i wanna live and wear what i want.


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Kisah 5 years ago

yea i agree i been told i couldn't go to college nd shud just stick to cooking and having kids..wat am i supposed to do so all my anger has to come out at a point just like you i had anger issues...ive faught many times due to racial comments..especially wen i went to a privet school a teacher told me to move to the back of the class and i refused..she grabed my chair nd i almost fell nd started saying things to her nd she said i don't know what you are doing at this school i felt like crap and she said were do you live i told her near the projects nd she started laughing and said well it not my fault yhur parents don't make enough income...that's why wen i see comments made about gangs, clicks, lations, or any other race besides white gets me heated fast. because i hate the fact that white folks think that they have so much power because they think they are more successful then other..now im not saying all of them do. i spoke to my teacher about this and she gave me her point of view and she is white i respcet her because even tho she sees all the violence in san francisco she doesn't give up on any of us she helps us try nd see a brighter way to things. now wen i entered highschool i seen many things i was gang affiliated at a point but i grew out of it i lost to many people i didn't wana lose my self. and wen you said about family doesn't come first i disagree i didn't know my parents were affiliated till a year ago. and was because i seen pictures if family didn't come first i would ov been known they did what was rite for there kids..and there love was like romeo and Juliet because they knw they would risk them selfs because one was nortena and the other a sureno but things happnd - SanFranMission ( thought it would be easier to make my own account)


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Average Thug,

You have a right to protect you and yours. You can not control what others do, they control their lives not you.

San Fran- sorry for the way I have to answer you. I appricate what you are doing in your community, but first and formost we are all americans, we should not divide ourselves by race, creed or color. All people have the same wants, needs and desires. And being human we sometimes make mistakes and must pay a price for those mistakes. There are good and bad (evil) people of every race, creed and color. Now my family tree goes in a whole lot of different directions. I have been physically removed from business due to my race, I have been told where I could and could not sit due to my race. I was refused service at a lunch counter. My family has always taught me right from wrong and that the only person i can control is myself. I should worry about getting myself right before I can tell others to get their life right. I commend you for your efforts but view all as human beings, not skin color or race. We are all tied together as human beings, we can disagree, we can get mad, but we all all brothers and sisters on this earth.


Average Thug 5 years ago

So i got in a fight with a sureno and im 13. I beat the sureno up and his cousins were there and they also claimed surenos so my brother 16 and friend also 16 stook up for me and the surenos pulled a hammer out so my brother let it go now today they went to my brothers high school lookin for him and they said they would stab them. We do not support gangs in our family were proud normal people. Things might get deep with this situation but i feel like this is all my fault.


SanFranMission 5 years ago

yea i understand what you are saying but you say youlived in them oppressed communities then you should know some of the hard choices people have to make. like my self i could of followed everyone in my families foot steps but i have a younger sister who does everything i do she is all i can worry about now. i do a lot of stuff for my community ive worked with HOMEY ( Homies Organizing the Mission to Empower Youth) ive worked with mission girls,oasis for girls,United Players,Young Womans Development center, Carecen and many more programs. ive helped organized marches like march 4th the protest there was for education, the gang injunction protest and may 1st. ive never been more proud of my self and to see the change i have done small but big at the same time ive done murals ive helped clean my streets. i seen a big change in my friends and family someone once told me that change starts with in so instead of writing how you feel about gangs do something about it go out and talk to them see what's going on the biggest none profit organization that ive learned a lot from is SFOP (San Francisco's Organizing Project) ive done one to ones with people in my community from high class to low class. you will be surprised that the most oppressed people are high class i bet you know all of this and im not tryna sound like a smart as but im just trying to prove a point that i am a middle class person tryna become someone and help the people that i see suffer everyday because of bad decisions. i just really have a really strong opinion about people who are not my race and try to pretend like they know my case. no matter how you ever lived wen you were younger you not going to know what ive been thru i can sti here and explain how ive had my friend killed and died in myarm and how my mom and i have been thru domestic violence and all the other B.S ive had to go thru bu you will never know how i feel i just speak for all of my people. same with my self i will not now how you lived because i wasn't there or didn't feel your pain but having you say "urban terrorism" really irritates my soul. i hate the fact that all these white people have came and took over the mission like it was nothing. they made an old park a skate park wich was once known as La Raza Park now its known as some other thing there is coffee shops right next to each other skate parks and skate shops and sushi bars like if all that was really necessary. i would REALLY appreciate if they would just leave eveything the way it was and not take over our stores and parks. stop taking people out of there houses and yes all this relates back to gangs in a strange way. a lot of these "gang member" are "immigrants" and don't speak English well so they feel like shit (excuse my language) and the only solution they see is selling drugs. and the gang part a lot of them only live with there mom and barely see them and have at least more the 3 siblings. they feel trapped and because of this corrupted society that we live in "machismo" is a big role in there life. men are taught to show no feelings to no body cause they will be called a "bicth" of "fags" like Gloria Anzaldua said in one of her articles that men would deal with there problems with a needle,snorting, or the fist.


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

San Fran Mission,

Thank you for your comments. Regarding my background, I was raised in a low income area, I was and to a degree still am a very aggressive type personality. My parents worried about me ending up in jail because of my EAD (explosive anger disorder). When I worked I wore regular clothing and was in the worst areas of Santa Clara, San Benito and Monterey Counties. What I saw were those that became bitter and were easy for gangs to manipulate, and those that decided to find their own way, worked hard and made their way out.

I don not judge you as a person, but I can and will judge actions that people take that violate our laws and other peoples rights. Or as you all like to say, blame the game not the player. The player is to blame when he knows that his actions or his playing in the game is just wrong.

I hope that you will come to a point where you can evaluate yourself and make a decission to become your own person, educate and move yourself out of your current circumstances, and improve your life and that of your family.


SanFranMission 5 years ago

aight look guy who ever you are...you shuds been ready for all these comments you wana go ahead an talk about latinos"life style"..yea im a 16 year old girl and robably seen way much more then you white folks may have seen! ive had my family been taken away from me cus people like you! ratial profiling...so don't try and act like you know our situation cus you really don't..you can talk to as many og's as you want but you will never know what it is to be living in a place were your life can be taken in seconds...nd no its not my choice is just because i live in an oppressed community because people fear the police as a little girl i was taught that police were nice nd so on but no they not! they push me around try to search me and say stuff that isn't rite why because were i live and my skin color? yea not the best way to tell a kid to not fear someone who can hurt them..i would be glad to show you around my city nd my neighborhood...not downtown but LA MISSION! were real stuff be going down! take others people point of view not just what's easy acccess..go out and get your facts not just from older bu young and affiliated and none affiliated...im not a gangmember bu i am a daughter a sister a cousin who knows what the streets are about and yes FAMILY IS FIRST!


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Toni, if it has reached the point of them shooting at your home your choices are very limited.

If you have given the information to the police, your family and sons are more than likely on a hit list and will continue.

You and your family need to move, if your sons portray any type of possible gang activity by either their dress, or actions the problems will more than likely continue.

The best way is to move, sons change their behavior and dress. If they have friends that are gang members or associates they must disassociate themselves from them, no contact.

The only thing you can do without moving is contact your local police gang unit, give them all the information you can, ask them to increase patrols. Band together with your neighbors keep a watch for individual and vehicles in your neighborhood and call police immediately. Get alarms system and a good camera system for your home. Be aware of your surroundings be watchful no matter where your are. Get licenses for firearms and know how to use them and other forms of non-lethal protection.

Even if you get to the shot callers they may agree to stop if you pay them, however, after the money runs out so does your protection.

Last note, gang members can do no wrong when dealing with non-gang members, they view you as cattle. Your sons and family are viewed as enemies and the gang must show that they have power and use you and yours to be an example to the neighborhood. Go against us and you will be delt with, fear and intimidation one of the sources of their power.

I wish you and your family all the luck in the world, good luck.


toni 5 years ago

my sons were approached by gangs from our own neighborhood we have lived here for over 4.5 years. the gangs members are very young my sons are in their 20's and they fought them in our driveway. because my sons won the fist fight they went and got a gun and shot our front door are they trying to kill us?? My sons tried not to fight they told the youngsters (15 to maybe 18) that they wanted no trouble. they identified themselves as the gang in our hood and had screwdrivers and scissors in hand to fight with. We have enver encountered problems with a gang before we are hoping that and elder would tell the youngsters they were wrong in what they did..Please advise if you can..


Thaguy 5 years ago

Well to me N.O.R.T.E is a religioN I dNt hav to wear the color or hav a tattoo of anything to represent norte bcuz Norte like I said iz a religion and I live to it's everyday rules such as christianity or other religions do to their.


ha ha ha ha 5 years ago

terry b davis

money, power and, violence is not the goal of gangs. the goal of nuestra familia is to kill the mexican mafia because the mexican mafia were from the south and didn't like the northern mexicans because they thought they were more intelegent than the northern ones because the northern ones worked in fields piking vegtables as to the southern ones lived in big cities like la so they had easier jobs so the southern ones thought the northern ones were stupid because they would never bust their back to pick vegtables for other people so when the mexican mafia formed in prison(because mexicans were being treated like shit) they would treat the northern mexicans in the prison like shit like they were not equal so then the nuestra familia was formed to protect northern mexicans from being treated like shit and it is working because the northern mexicans(nuestra familia) are one of the most feared gangs in california because they let everybody know not to mess with them


Santa 5 years ago

Merry Christmas


Blah blah blahhhhhhh 5 years ago

Gangs are gangs. Nortenos, Surenos, Crips, Bloods, etc. They all have the same thought and goal in mind. The only thing I can say is if you don't want it, make sure you are strong enough to avoid that lifestyle. You can never justify crime of any sort. No matter what the gang tells you, someone is always going to suffer from your profits. It's kinda like life anyway with the government and what not. Just sry true to yourself and remember basic instincts of right and wrong. That should be enough to guide you through life. And there aren't really any homegirls. Ladies, don't get it twisted. You're not really a gangster. You're just a hella down ass female that rides for her boys, fam, etc. You will never have to do the required things to get into a gang like males do. You will never have to complete the tasks they do. You'll most likely get used to do raunchy things and take the heat. But if that's your cup of tea, by all means, do it boo boo! People educate yourselves and establish a solid foundation for life. No iffy, will I be around, will my baby daddy die, get locked up? Make sure you're going to have someone there for you that will never put you/ family in harms way and always be around to teach, provide and love. Generally speaking people, just make smart decisions!


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Only Jesus is God,

I agree with a lot in your response, a lot clearer than the last. However, regarding shooting someone who breaks into your house, you must be able to communicate that you were in fear for your life. With my background and the documented threats made against me, I would be able to show that I believe a threat against my life exists, and that an individual enterying my home at night or day time is for the express purpose of killing me.

Gang members fall in three catagories. first die hard gang members who have no problems killing or being killed, very close comparisons to terrorists. Second group, believe in the gang but don't really want to kill or be killed, but if scared or in a situation they will kill (these are usually the guys that drop out later in life when they figure out they are pawns in a game they did not even know was going on. The third drawn in by good times and fun (drugs, music, sex,feeling of power)But when it get serrious they want out but don't know how or are too scared.

I have noticed that a lot of the drop-outs in prison and now outside have tried or started to make their own little gangs. Some do it for power/money, some do it saying they want to get the gang back to its roots, the initial way it was formed etc.. only problem is the NF was never anything but a criminal organization, just different methods/style.

Like all criminals, gang members dislike sunshine. People that live in these areas know the gang members and have a lot of information. Not everyone can put themselves on front street, they have families and kids and can not leave the areas. But they can call and give information about specific gang members in specific areas with out identifying themselves in anyway, the information will be sent to local police for info or action.

Additionally, here in Salinas California, the police, local federal and state along with parole and probation have begun doing their jobs. Tracking parolees actively, doing random testing and parole probation searches and identifying homes, vehicles and people associated with gangs. When I worked my partners and I caught a lot of flack from regional managers for being proactive, hopefully its changing but it is sad that it only did so due to a rise in gang related shootings, murders and other crimes.

People must understand this is a war, just like the war on terrorism. If we do not ake care of it now we will become a narco state as mexico is fast becoming and the cost will be hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Say nothing when they come after your neighbor and none one will stand up for you when they come after you.

Thanks for your comments. A lot of times I allow gang people to vent so that people can see how these individuals think and to see what kind of mentality we are dealing with.


ONLY Jesus is God  5 years ago

As an American citizen, what can I do to help my community from avoiding these gangs? I live in San Jose and I can see the growth of these gangs. I have friends in Bakersfield whose son is in the military. We discuss this all the time. Latino babies are being born at a very fast rate. More and more will MM and Nuestra Familia be organized. They use scare tactics to prevent others from being aware of what really goes on in that arena.

If they (Drop-Out), sure, there will be changes. You will forever be in protective custody if you get locked up, and you will have a change of clothing. No longer will you will wear the inmate clothing that gangsters wear. Yes, you will feel dishonored by being placed with child molesters and other D.O.'s and be in the same unit as your ex-enemies. Yes, MM and NF will be housed together but that's why the board is careful who they allow to be there. Trust me, it beats going through the shit they --->>>> (Nuestra Familia and Mexican Mafia) want to put you all through for their advantage. Drugs are given so that you all can be their puppets and risk your own lives. A temporal power trip. And for the cause of what? You'll be dead so you won't be aware of the temporary respect you will get and that's even if you get that at all, you will be forgotten. The only thing you will leave is your children and the life that you could have made a great impact on.

Terry, our children need to be aware that there are others just like them fighting against this. There are many Drop-Outs and many scared people. More D.O.'s are forming. Do you think that kinda worries the NF and MM? Umm, maybe the government can pay the D.O.'s to form a militia to come against these criminals. Hope God, through Jesus Christ, gives the government and the communities throughout, the wisdom to fight against this danger. We need awareness.

Some suggestions to what citizens can do; If they are ex-felons, I think they can still use pepper spray or a stun gun to fight back. The authorities are fighting for you too because these gangs manage hits too. What is hits? It is an order of other Norteno's or Sureno's to kill you. And if you can legally purchase a gun, do that too. If someone breaks into your house, you have that right to defend yourself. Am I right Terry?


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Terry B. Davis 5 years ago Author

Only Jesus is God, I hope that I understood your last question correctly. Your asking me what the value of gangs are to our community? And what are the results we want out of it?

These gang would be more apply referred to as criminal gangs or criminal street gangs. Not only Hispanic, but also black, white, and oriental. Power is the goal and money and violence is the means. As far as Nortenos, the shoe incident was the begining, but it also had to deal with treatment by guards, police and our society as a whole. All hispanic gang members that I have talked with mention this in some degree, the Americans taking of Bolero (or as we call it the Alamo)The treaty of hildago, were Americans stole farms and land from Mexico, but don't mention the one year where Mexican and American authorities mediate disputes over land or citizenship. How the Southern mexicans stole their countries election, how they were treated during WWII (americans did not like the zoot suits as it took more material to make and they believed this hurt the war effort). Or how the Police arrested and framed hispanics for a murder they did not commit and were later released from prison when discovered. All of these things feed into their perspective that they are the down trotten, held down, property stolen by Americans. As a note a majority of Hispanics today do not believe that is the case now, and that includes my uncle.

The end result should be that all Americans should be responsible for themselves and that no cause or person is above the law. The Government can not be everything to everyone. If we all followed the golden rule there would be no problem, after all Christ said that if members of their flock were misbehaving they were to tell them what they were doing was wrong, if the behavior continued they were to remove them from their flock. Today, we remove people from society by placing them in prison. Bottom line, organized crime of any type must be delt with or the crimes continue. Faith and the values it teaches has decreased as quickly as gangs and crime have increased. We have always had the poor, the fatherless, the homeless, but never has faith been in the shape as it is today. Maybe faith, morales and values are the answer.


ONLY Jesus is God 5 years ago

What I want to know is what is the actual cause of both gangs? The Norteno's and Sureno's? Wasn't it over a pair of a Norteno's shoes being stolen from his cellmate, another gangster from the Mexican Mafia? So now what is the goal of a true gangster? Making money for the one's higher up and displaying them as the devils puppet? Why allow anyone to enslave you all? Isn't it over POWER and RECOGNITION?

Terry, I read where you pointed out that all gangsters should be put away for life. I agree to a certain point but not the young soldiers. I think we need to invest in them and place those in higher positions to be confined in their cells 24/7 and consider them a terrorist threat. That ways they will not have the chance of spreading their evil strategies out in the streets. Then when they get visits to record and have an advocate to monitor the visits.

And to the Norteno's, my question is to you... some may think all organizations is a gang and have the structure as a gang to enforce the tasks and expect results to end as planned. But please tell me what value and advantages is the efforts of any street gangs, specifically Norteno and Sureno gangs, to our community and "WHAT" are the ending results you all want out of it and "WHY?"


Fghsr 5 years ago

I like turtles


NR 6 years ago

Yup, why do they do that tho? Cuz my bro has dat on his hand


NF 6 years ago

Ever hear of Nortenos changing a capital "A" into a 14?


BocoLocs 6 years ago

Look old man, where im from which is The Windsor Town 707 westside.We real nortenos are down 4 our shit.From your perspective all these gangs are to you are just hoods and menaces to society.But this is who we are, and you cant see the unity of real brothers.Ride or die $k all day.


209 valley 6 years ago

Terry, sellin drugs to little kids, preying on the weak, is strictly prohibited in gang life style especially northerners. My friends brother stabbed an innocent man because of his own actions. Not because he was in a gang, or influenced by them to do so. He had a choice, an fore that choice he made sadly, his own gang hates him now. An disowns him. An sellin drugs to kids is uncalled for, never will you see a northener sellin drugs to a little kid, you know what happens wen they do that, they get a BD, or beat down as a punishment an, jus like wen homies act stupid wen drunk or messin with too many drugs an fukin up. But hey, mabey the scraps might do that or the bloods an crips, or mabey even the gangs on the east coast. But I highly doubt it. And the people that do sell drugs too kids are drug dealers who roll on their own or so called ballers or players. So do me a favor an stop stereo typing, wut you see in the movies or hear from someone like the police or whatever is highly un true. Until you roll wit an organized group or unorganized, you will see for your self. Ask any one who commented on this web site, any one. And they will tell you.


Linda Vista 619 westside 6 years ago

the gang problems are just side effect of gratter problems in the United States.

segregating people, wich low job opportunities will make any one lose their mind and act stupid.

Race n power, race n power. Latinos don't want to be "sellouts" but in prder succeed in this country u almost have to be a "sellout".

for example, if a white guy was to live in mexico and want to get a good paying job, then he would have to adopt the Mexican culture, and he might not want to. so, why do Latinos have to assimilate and adopt the American culture? oh because the "united states is going to start to look More and More like Mexico"? haha...

surenos,nortenos,bloods, n crips were once a target of constitutional racism and with years they became into criminal gangs fighting each other thanks to corrupt police men intigation problems.

for example, even in 2010 police still do this, just because i have a mustache they believe im a sureno, so they start talkin out there asses trying to tell me that they stopped rival gang members in the neighborhood i live in like if im supposed to get mad or something haha..

police gang unit are stupid, yeah they should eradicate drugs and all that criminal stuff , but stop over harrasing.

i just wished all ethnicities in the united states would be equal. i would also like to see more middle class mexican, black,azian, comunities. ( i don't feel like spellcheking my shit so fuck this system we live in).

and i know a lot of white people go threw this and i support them too. but most of the cases white people live in good conditions.

and if you white people don't live california then go to arizona. California and the South West of American was once part of Mexico. So get out or shut da fuck up!

and surenos are not racist, only certains gangs are rasist. Now a days in High School every race gets along with every race, we all live in the same struggle.

but this race thing is only enforced if ur in prison with politics. and if ur a sureno, because if ur not a gangster then you go in with "paisa" and they respect every other race.

one day all minorities should stand up for our rights together.

i bet this would scare white niggas out of america hahaha..

imagine dat shit instead of black on black and brown on brown we all terrorise whites for a common purpose. to Have our rights correct and liberate our selfs.

why da fuck do minorities have to live in shitty places( segregated areas) that were chosen for us based on our skin color?? g


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

el Diablo,

Not all things are static, but the 14 bonds remain constant, the structure remains constant. Their mode of operations constantly change due to police, courts and community actions. They are not stupid, they learn from their court cases and from each other. Their mode of recruiting changes with the times.

All gangs change to a degree, they will upsurp movements and claim them as their own, United Farm Workers, Azteca Movement, and currently the La Raza and immigration movements.

All we have to do is nothing and we will see this country looking more and more like mexico. When gangs, drug cartels and terrorist begin learning from each other and using each others tactics to commit their crimes against our citizens and each other.

I have had contact with gang members inside and outside the prison system, tactics change but the commitment is the same and the results are the same. They prey on the weak and each other by use of numbers, weapons, and fear. As others have said here they fight for a cause, but who profits, the communities, states, our country? No, a few in positions of leadership. They do not help the poor in their communities, feed kids, clean up their neighborhood, playgrounds, make their streets safer. They steal, rob, sale drugs to kids, intimadate hardworking people so that they live in fear.

As i have been taught since I was a little kid, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck odds are its a duck. If someone wares gang colors, hangs with known gang members, assists them by use of mail drops, money, and a place to live, has gang tattoo's, they are more than likley either a gang member or an associate. If that is sterotyping, call it what you like, I call it common sense.


El Diablo 6 years ago

Look Terry, what prison uses for a social stucture among its verious segregations does not apply to gang members or "movements" on the streets or in prisons in other states for that matter. Things are always in change and organizations both in and out of prison need to change along with things. What applies to Nothern Brothers in CDC does not apply to those out on the streets or even in other state prisons. I will not break it down as to any paticular Nothern format or another, just know that the Northern movement is a living thing and is always in change so it is in great error that you stereotype or say all Nortenos are anything static.


209 valley 6 years ago

well, it doesn't stop until the BIG SHOTS in prison NF an MM say so. An the seperaton of race is because of stereo typing. Like blacks an whites. Back then whites thot they were superior an thot blacks were inferior, jus like southern hispanics from LA or San Diego, growing up in cities, they thot they were superior, than the northern hispanics growing up in small cities or towns where they pick grapes or letuce. An basically we wer thrown in the back of the bus.


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

So basically you are saying that the Nortenos and Surenos are fighting each other for actions that happened between 50 and 60 years ago. Where and how does it end? When do you (Nortenos and Surenos) stop killing each other and killing those that decide to get out of the war? This situation reminds me of the Isreal and Hamas. Just one more question, why do you refer to Northern and Southern raza? Are you not the same race? Or am I mistaken that the word Raza means race?


209 valley 6 years ago

you really wanna kno what the CAUSE is, ahaha. Alright Terry boy. I tell you jus so you can shut up. The cause is the reason why the NF or La Familia wus created, To (enlight the Northern hispanics) to become a better race than the southern hispanics, even tho we are both hispanics, the southern race hated northern hispanics because they worked in the fields an picked on us so did the prison guards an other races an gangs in prison, we had no protection. So la familia wus created, for all northern hispanics. An excepting the fact we come from towns were they grow produce, we are not jus field workers iether, we are also more than that, an it's sad that nortenos are killing surenos to show that they are better than them, that's what it's all about. To enlight the northern raza an to send a message to the southern raza that they are better than them. So wen a norteno says he bangs for the cause then he's saying he backs up for what he believs in


Northern Cali 707 6 years ago

Nortenos run NorCal don't let no hater change you perspective on another race. A real homie aint racist he shows respect to anyone that's down for tha Northside. Terry Ima Norteno cuz Im tired of these fake scraps tryin to act hard all tha time when really they be gettin smashed on everyday. Scraps are tha real racist! Their allies with nazi low riders fucking pussies. Ive told you that Nortenos protect our hoods and our familia. That's what we about yadadamean. RIP Woodie and Mac Dre. Ima keep ot posted in Tha 707 much love to tha real homies


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

Northern cali,

Besides name calling, I don't see you saying anything. Come on grow a pair and stand up for your cause, educate us "scared white people". If your cause and principals that you live your life by are really that important to you, be proud, tell us all about it, explain it to us so we can understand.

If not it would appear that your not as proud as you say, after all if you believe in a cause and are proud of your participation you would tell everyone you meet what your proud of and why.

Thanks for you comment.


Northern Cali 707 6 years ago

Terry why don't you come to oakland sanfran or any other city in NorCal and see what goes on. Terry you don't know shit about nortenos you're just a snobby old bitch that tries to educate scared white people and make latinos look bad. Keep it Real to tha homiez in Sanfrancisco and Oakland shayooooo. Fuck a mutt


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

Daddy, You might want to read or re-read this hub. Your facts are in error.

Why don't you tell us "old people" exactly what being a Norteno is like? Tell us what the cause is? Tell us why the hatred between Southerners and Northerners, not just the prison stuff, but the actual history. If you want to educate us please do. Please use common english as many of the readers may not understand all the slang used by gang members.

This is your chance to educate everyday people about your cause and pride, and exactly what you stand for.

Thank you for your comments and I look forward to hearing more from you.


Daddyxiv 6 years ago

Listen up homeboy u don't know wat its like to be a norteno we have so much freakin pride, you can talk down on us all u want but it aint gonna change the fact that you have no cle what the hell you are talking about. Have you ever sat down wit a norteno? Huh? Of course you haven't you don't have time to sit down with a homeboy you jst wanna judge him right off tha bat and be like " holy crap get away from me you gang banger all you do is sell drugs " or wat ever it is you old people say.


~keep it real~ 6 years ago

this is VERY interesting~ so, most have seem to forgot about loyalty and respect~ supposed to be #1, to be followed in every situation. we memorize our bonds- but most don't even know the definitions. I have seen that most need a lesson in it~ need to educate and elevate their lifes. If you look at history~ look at your own hood, how many veteronos are still in the game? How many youngstas even know what "the cause" is? What is a Norteno all about? What started it? I do not say this to insult or disrespect anyone. I have the upmost respect for my true homies who have done what they have done and balance their own familys with the street family. All in all your kids come first- anyone who disagrees is ignorant. our children are our future and need to be taught to stay in school- play sports,occupy your time with positive actions- not with guns,drugs and partying. I was taught a long time ago you get what you give. You can be my mother, my best homie or the Pope~ when it gets down and dirty we are all human and can backstab each other at any time- its called self-survival and lack of respect and loyalty....they say true friends you only meet in prison or the hospital- as we get older and (hopefuly) wiser through life you will see....most can count on 1 hand how many "true friends" they have. I have homies that have done the worst of the worst~ done more work to gained status for Norte all their life.then 1 person starts a rumor, and we hate the penal system- guilty until proven innocent- we do the same accuse and pass jugdement then ask questions later...mean while your homie that"did wrong" you have just shot in the head- only to find out YOU were wrong.... And then you look back- at 36 your an OG (old gangsta) you get caught up and land back in the system and you have this little punk ass youngsta tryin to tell you you aint shit because they have the keys and they from a different hood. Norte is Norte, have we all forgotten?? no instead we let the enemy watch us destroy ourselves~ its all about drugs and money anymore....you cant tell me different! For real, Bottom line- if you are not valuble to "the familia" you are out! Ya that's respect and loyalty! RIP Javier-aka baby casper~2nd generation homie did anything and everything ask of him by Norte~then left out to dry by the "familia". I love you G.C. together we will ride til the end~ and see another world out their!


Cali Thuggin 6 years ago

Why are you hatin on Nortenos you should be worried about Tha KKK or some racist shit like that or are you a racist Terry?Nortenos are fighting for a cause to protect Norcal and central Cali from scraps. Nortenos don't single out citizens like scraps their singleing out rivals. Surputos are racist and they try to make nortenos look bad for chillin with blacks. Who cares its cause scraps are hated by every gang. Random fools gettin tattoos say sur13 or some bullshit like that they aint true homies they are bitchez Nortenos earn every tatt or color they get. Respect to all them Real Homiez out there reppin Northern Cali


VeT 6 years ago

money iz tha root of all evil - it's in gods book!!!


Linda Vista, 619 6 years ago

""To learn more about the gangs and gang symbols used in your area, you can attend gang awareness meetings put on by schools, and local law enforcement agencies.""

oh yeah you want people to go to law enforcement agencies so that peopke eventually get arrested and sent to jail... this is not helpin my people!!

if you had a son that was in gangs, nothing serious just hanging out and smoking pot, would you want some one else to call the police on him? i bet you would rather send ur kid to a rehad center not to jail!

"Education, recognition and action is what is needed in our communities to eradicate gangs and protect our families and communities."

this is true, but the government spends more money on prison systems than higher college education. incarcerating an inmate in california will cost the government about $47,000 a year per person. This means that if the Government gave this money to 1 college student, he would be able to pay for his 4 years in college.

but if people take "action" more money is going to go to the prison system thant the educational system which is all we all want!

""Your statements support the idea that in order to protect the community from your form of "Urban Terrorism", verified gang members should be locked in a cage for life.""

instead of supporting peace for all you normalize and encourage locking up my people and other minorities!

fuck you! bring back oir native american brothers because you Anglo-Americans killed them all... fucking savages!!!

locking up people does not solve the problem... giving us opportunities to be successful in this country is key,, because its all about the money!!!! we all want and need money!


Linda Vista,SD 6 years ago

GANG BANGING WONT STOP UNTIL SEGREGATION AND OPPRESISON STOPS IN THIS COUNTRY!... SOTO THE GROUPS OF POWER IN THIS COUNTRY (WHITES ACHU ACHU)!!!!!!!!!!!! MINORITIES DESERVE THE SAME Opportunities AS YOU!

WE ARE TIRED OF THE AMERICAN RASISM THAT UNFORTUNATELY FORCES OPPRESED PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE BARRIOS AND BE MAD ABOUT THE WORLD.FIRST THE ANGLO PEOPLE COME AND KILL 95% OF NATIVE AMERICANS WITH WAR AND THEIR FILTHY DESEASES.

SECOND THE U.S TAKES OVER MEXICO IN A SHADY WAY AND DECLARES THE MONROE DOCTORINE DAT SAYS FUCK EUROPE AND START HIREING MEXICAN PEOPLE FOR LOW LABOR WORK DURING WW1 AND WW2.. BY THE WAY THIS MEXICANS AND MEXICAN AMERICANS ARE TREATED AS SHIT. THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO WORK IN ANY TYPE OF COMPANIES.. MEXICANS AND OTHER MONORITIES WERE FORCED TO WORK IN AGRICULTURE AND THE RAILROADS and other shity jobs.

THIRD, POLICE INSTIGATES BEEFS BETWEEN GANGS.THE JAIL SYSTEMS ARE BASED ON PROFIT, SO FOR EVERY PERSON SENT TO JAIL there is A PROFIT.

AND ALL THIS BULLSHIT GANG BANGING ALL COMES DOWN TO

"WHOS THE DOWNEST", PRIDE, MORE PRIDE, "THE NEIGHBORHOOD I GREW UP IN" ( CHOSEN SEGREGATED AREAS BY ANGLOS )EVERYONE TRYES TO BE LIKE THE CRAZIEST VATO IN THE BARRIO.

AMERICANS WANT MEXICANS TO BE THESE INNOCENT PEOPLE ANd GOOD PEOPLE, BUT HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE WORK ALL DAY..

AMERICANS ALWAYS WANT THINGS TO BE THEIR WAY.

THEY WANT LATINOS TO BE INSISIBLE!!!!!!!!!!BUT WE ARE NOT INVISIBLE!!!

AND GANGS MIGHT JUST BE A LOUD CRY, TO make sure we are no invisible, and maybe somehow we will be accepted in this country, because the hard labor of our people obviously is not enough.

because the exploitation of low paying jobs is what makes this country strong, and yet we are discriminated at. Illegal alien this and that, minorities are always blamed at.

BOTTOM POINT! GANGMEMBERS AND THE GOVERNMENT ARE BOTH EQUALY GUILTY! YES GUILTY AND INNOCENT.

HOW ABOUT MY RAZA STANDS UP TO THIS GENOCIDE AND DEMAND OUR PLACE IN THE UNITED STATES.

A UNITED STATES WhERE EVERY ONE IS EQUAL!NO OF THAT SUPERIOS RACE TYPE OF SHIT..

BUT THEN AGAIN THIS PROBLEM IS MORE COMPLEX..A PROBLEM THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE SOLVED BY WORDS ( ITS NOT WORTH GANGBANGIN LIKE A LITTLE GIRL), IT WILL BE SOLVED BY ACTIONS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY!!MEXICANOS, CHICANOS, MEXICAN-AMERICANS VIVEn!!


central valley 6 years ago

Tracy, California. Nor cal. Tracy has roots that go deep within the norte.. An new homies an mid homies are forgetting where they came frum or where the norte came from. The skraps if you wanna believe it or not started this war on hating on us northern hispanics for being low life an worthless to the hispanic race. So wen hispanics frum the north went to prison for anything they wer picked on by the southern hispanics that were educated or what ever the fuck they wanted to call them selves an thot they wer better then us field workers. So the northeners got together an formed (our familiy)NF. Which ment (our Northern hispanic familiy). An if you think of it , this all went into the same direction as the White people Black people, we were all people but the whites didn't like the blacks because they thot they wer usless an worthless low life. So the blacks went the own way. Jus like nortenos. We wer hated on. That's why NORTE stands for Northern Organized Raza Till Eternity. Because it's an organized race. Of northern hispanics. Wer not like ordanary hispanics wer our own race.. An we all stand for tha cause. An skraps arnt mooving in too northern california. These skraps up here were born an raised in northern california. Therr levas. An therr straight up mexican beaners an piasa's. That can't even speak english ahaha. But yeh. Those niggaz that are born up here become skraps because they can't hang with nortenos because they sum pussy ass bitches that wuld run away frum the battle or wuld jus stand an watch. Ya know. An I wuld rather fight a skrap fum LA or sum wer down south because they actually frum the south and not fum northern cali. Like sum of these skrap levas I wuz jus talkin about.. An skraps are jus like da white people except the mexican. Because skraps beleave in one race, they are are racist, that's why skraps shave their heads jus like tha nazi's. Nortenos have long hair or sum hair. Any way nortenos are not racist, we kick it wit tha asians and blacks, also tha whites(not strait up white people) coo white people. Ya know) any way RIP woodie. He wuz half white an mexican. So nortenos have a reason to bang unlike skraps who bang for no cause or no front. Chicano rap started in northern cali, also lowriders started in northern cali. Sir dyno a rapper in tracy started rappin in tha 80's wen hip hop wuz in it's beginning. So fuck kid frost. low riders started in san francisco in tha. Mission dist. Any way. Sir dyno paved tha way to that GUN cd. The NF wanted to send a message to all nortenos to go kill and smash on skraps. An also to stop fighting norteno on norteno. The reason why we were fighting red on red wus because there are no skraps up here. An we wernt racist. So we wernt fighting blacks or asians. We wer fighting red on red. An also cause we were fighting red on red wuz because in each town or city there is always a first gang that has always been in that town or city. An original gangs don't like sum new gangs popping up, they think there fake an not hard. So they fight eachother until that gang builds up respect to share that city or town.- norteno's. That's why we fight eachother. Much love to Salinas(foundation) san jose(foundation) Tracy(foundation).an to all northern familias. Much love. Keep up tha struggle, .831209408:: oh an the skraps an their tattoos. They don't mean shit, they jus slap them on an say their hard. Us nortenos, we earn every tattoo wether it's jus a dot or line to a full norte or a tatt expressing our life, we earn everything to scarz, we take pride in our scarz mann, wee sum savvz. Scarz N stripes. TRACY 209 lett it be knownnnnn***** **** :: *N* ::


$4LiNER4  6 years ago

D.O. nowonder ur a do u probly pc'd like a biaatch stay in ur cell n keep reading the art of seduction nigga u aint no college grad probly got ur ged in corcoran ahahaha


.L4Dy MOREN4:: 6 years ago

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D.O. 6 years ago

I'm a drop out northerner from VSRN n ill tell u first hand that it has nothing to do wit family. My whole family was northerners 1st generationn on. But when I decided to better myself n do my own thing, when I was truly able to open my eyes, the older homies said that if I "embarassed" them like dat they would go after my mother. N other family members. Its all a manipulation game dat older homies have put on youth brainwashing them to believe in nothing else. I know about psycology n the art of seduction techniques n that's all it is. When u go to the pen they will make u feel loved like a younger brother then tell u to either stab n kill enemies or homies who need to be removed. N if u don't they'll call u a bbitch n put a hit on u. Tell ur celly to get yo ass while u sleepin. Its a dirty game. This is simply my opinion, I was there once as a youngster know it all so I know my point won't get acroos to u cats but my boy terry b tells a true story. It ain't nuttin nice. If the older homies really cared like they say they do they would end this shit n walk their talk when they say "don't go jail, get an education, don't put yourself out there...blah blah blah." Its just game these fools are makin u feel like they know what's best for you psycology 101 so u don't think twice to ride when the time comes.... if u don't wanna listen n open your eyes n realize u can't trust any of these cats then its only a matter of time b4 you experience the hell on earth called the "PEN".


joe 6 years ago

i have an uncle who is pretty deep in this whole mess. tatted up 14 on his forwhead on his next he has done time and done work for norte. But tries his hardest to keep his neices and nephews aways from this type of life. He once beat my cousin's @ss right in front of his friends because he was trying to get invovled with that life style wearing red repping norte. Everyone has to make up thier own minds and not let anyone fool you on a way of crime. I had plenty of friends that were gang affiliated growing up and hardly any of them graduated high school. They have no true future. After High School I joined the Military and have been in for 7 years. I got away from all this hate and discontent from north and south and blah blah blah. when you have kids and a family none of that will matter in life. but to provide for them. Just be wise in whatever you decide. and if you choose a life of crime than know the truth about it before fully committing to it. Its really a choice between life and death! THINK FOR YOURSELVES!!!!


.L1L L0K4_8TRAMP1:: 6 years ago

Man , this is sad .

you guys think you all know what you're talking about.

i'm not saying i do..

i'm 15 i've lived gang life since i was 12.

But i've always been into it.

im going to admit, in a way i regret getting into the life cuz everyday i wake up and think is this the day ima get blasted?

but i'm proud of what i rep.

nortenos have respect. we dont go around killing for nothing, like scrapas.

we do it for the family.

it's not a way of life, its a way of living.

now i didn't come from this fucked up family with all gang member or nothing.

my dads a cop, has been for bout 10 years.

you may think how can i do this to my dad?

well, it was hard. but my dad acted like he didnt care, so niether did i.

i wish i wouldn't have gotten into drinking or drugs but that comes with the life.

i dont want all gang members to be known as little punks or whatever.

cuz thats not what we are.

usually you join the gang when you don't feel loved or you feel like you dont belong anywhere.

but when you get in, it's like you finally belong. Your accepted somewhere.

and it feels good.

i just want everyone to know that we live our lives to the fullest cuz we dont know when it'll be our time.

and we would like some respect.

.Norte Por Vida::


$4LiNER4  6 years ago

dulcinea del tobosa you shouldnt have moved in to salinas because i'll let u in on a little secret WE ARE YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOORS welcome to the hood ahahahahahahaha lmao!


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

At one time gang activity was confined to the East Salinas area, better known at that time as Alisal. They then moved into the North Salinas area. Currently, gang embers live and travel in all areas of Salinas. As low rent apartments, section 8 housing, and the current sale off by banks of foreclosed homes has reduced their cost, you can find gang members and their associates anywhere in Salinas. Due to recent law enforcement efforts they tend to dress down a little bit, don't fly their colors as in your face as before. But they tend to wear their colors in accessories, watches, shoe laces key chains/holders, baseball caps and pro atheletic gear. Which sometimes makes it difficulit as many non gang members and kids tend to wear simular clothing and accessories. It usually will not take you long to figure out who and where the gang members in your neighborohood are, alot of parties, alot of traffic, and total disrespect for others and their rights.

Good luck, best bet is be aware of your surroundings, and keep your eyes open. Identify dangerous situations before you get to them and avoid them where possible.


dulcinea del tobosa 6 years ago

Dear nortenos (or whoever you are), I have just moved to Salinas. Could you please be kind enough to let me know where those shitty neighborhoods where you live are, so I would not go there :) Thanks in advance.


408 norte on d4y 6 years ago

Mr old man doezt know any better cuz hez white zo what he did some homework on fuckin well you won't ever understand the life we northenoz live cuz your white you don't know what itz like zo ztop tryna act like you do


david lemus 6 years ago

for me the band is like a your family because you can express the feeling with they and you can feel like a in your home cause a hommie never say I can´t do it so you has very strong and smook whatever drug like meth that is my fovorite drug cause you can feel in the sky


Just a normal Mex  6 years ago

I hate gangs. I used to admire homeboys/homegirls when I was younger. I thought, "these people are so educated n respected" but then I realized it was all for nothing. They have respect amongs each other maybe, but among the society the don't know how to act. Which I belief is the main reason why kids turn to gangs. I think gang recruiters are pathetic because they believe they can't fix their lives because it is too late so they seduce young children purposedly knowing the outcome of their future. I do agree that true friends look out for you but it shouldn't be About street matters rather life matters. They should encourage you to succeed! I still believe gangbangers are educated but wouldn't it be great if the used their incredible abilities to help themselves out? I have hella homeboys who I love soo much Because they are my close friends or family and everyday it seems as if my people are vanishing? I hate gangs because it pollutes minds, ruins lifes, and destroys families. I don't hate gangbangers because I know they are alot of them out there that are genuinely good people or misguided kids that just don't see a way out! To all my raza out there, let's pull ourselves together and better ourselves. I'm sick of people automatically seeing me ( Mexican) and thinking imma piece of trash. For real. I don't know any of you guys but much love and best wishes on your decisions in life, because in the end we all came from the same place.


Ray 6 years ago

I grew up in Tulare County where it is Norteno Territory.....it was as normal as carrying a backpack to school to join and without a father or any positive male role model there to guide me my only dream as a youth was to be doing 25 to life by the time i was 25.....i was headed down that path but by the grace of god my life was altered and set on a path as father and husband and theres no way i would let me sons think thats the path to be on.Its just a form of enslavement no matter what gang one joins.These days I reside in Anaheim and work and raise my boys right and show them a better life. LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!


EDUCATED HOMEGIRL 6 years ago

It seems the points your making might be clear but lil educated 'hyna' you left that shit right? I know my shit like any other and though terry you may hear it from others, but your vision's blurred and it isn't clear until you see it through your own eyes, there's people out there that sell drugs to kids, sure but don't get it to be a stereotype. Maybe I was born on the wrong side of the tracks but I've found homies who really will ride or die, and don't think my family doesn't have my back cus just like any other person they're down for me 114% and through it all I'm going to college but I'll wear my colors with pride if I'm some stupid joke to community so be it. Listen, I don't give damn what the rest think. You think I don't realize the consequences when affiliated with this lifestyle? Think again I'm no low life puta or hoe but just like my enemies I'll stand through it all I won't quit and if I die in the process I'll know what I stood for just like you 'educated hyna' I know down ass OG's but think about it have they quit? NO so before you come with your shit twisted Live YOUR life and keep any of your kids out this if you don't want it. I've said all I've needed to, peace- SAVAGE:: PS:

My reason to be in this? Any crimes I've done I've chosen to do. I have respect, money, and a loving family Won't lie I've lost many but for all the right reasons.


Gh0$t 6 years ago

fuk diz fool u dnt kn0 $hit h0mie


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

Bay area, you never answered the question, What exactly is the CAUSE your fighting for? A main source of gang income is drugs, and other crimes. You bring drugs in, sell them and kids get them period. Let me put it this way, the only difference between gangs are their names, colors and symboles period. Anyone disagrees with you, you call it disrespect. When the NF first started they had a community bank that was suppose to be used to help the neighborhood, that didn't last long, after all put a criminal in charge of money they will steal it. When will gang members realize they are being used, to give someone else money and power.

Lastly, do your own research, don't go by what you are told. Look and study your history, study the sale of Calif., Az., New mexico, America was not always right, things were done that were wrong, and Mexico also made alot of mistakes. Read about texas and the mission de valero (or bolero, I can't recall which at this moment)read about the agreement of guadalupe, and the one year after which both the US and Mexico set up a board to settle disagreements and disputes regarding the Guadalupe agreement. You may find your disagreements with Southerners started in the 1800's, I wonder why, if you don't know study and find the answer.

Its up to you, educate yourself then make your decision, or continue your way now and let others tell you what to believe and why, when to get up, when to go to sleep, who you can or can not associate with, and what other rules you must follow.


Educated_Hyna_831 6 years ago

Bay area, I know top OG nortenos hun. The ones I know are on point and aren't ducking around. Yeah, just like i said, ur all flames up wearing red and ur an easy target to get jumped, shot, whatever. My point exactly! Everybody jumps everybody. Rarely is there a one on one fight. I know of nortenos getting jumped by other nortenos. Sadly, now the youngsters can't fight and are quick to blast or shank each other. I know why I'm talking about. I grew up and around and in that gang shit. I was just string enough to see that it really doesn't help you in any way but to end ur life or freedom quicker. Who are you protecting and from what? People are better off without your so called protection. You're actually endangering your community more than helping it but you're too stubborn to realize. You will see when ur old or about to die and regret it. If you go to la, they want the same things down there that nortenos want up here. Again, like I said, same goal different people. All gangs want the same thing. That is why they are at war with each other.....duh, smart one! They wanna take over each others turf. Come on, I thought u were up on game ir maybe you're just a zombie soldier that down for the cause but unaware of it or bc it sounds cool and respectable. Y'all dumb broke asses are doing all the work and not getting a cut. You're just about getting that respect and recognition as a bad ass g(coolness)! But you should want respect from people that matter. People that are doing something and helping not. Yeah maybe in the hood they respect you, but not in the real world. You're an irrelevant joke! You guys don't have any substantial information or arguement besides the famous line"norte life", haaaaa!!!!!! Why don't you guys go live in a 3rd world country where you actually can oranize gangs to really protect your people from the crazy ass and rutheless gangs they have there. At least it'll be worth it and acceptable. By the way, this is a fun forum!


Bay Area707 6 years ago

Like others said its about familia and respect. We don't sell drugs to kids your wrong about that. Our neighborhoods aren't living in fear we are protecting out streets and familia unlike these scraps that only care about talking shit and thinking their hard. Norteños have a cause unlike surputos who run their mouths all the time.


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

Bay area, what is it all about? What is the cause exactly? What are you fighting for? Why victimize your own people, sell dope to kids, force your "neighborhoods" to live in fear? What is the goal of Nortenos?


Bay Area707 6 years ago

Hyna your dumb as fuck yeah i like nortenos and its not right for these mutts (surenos) to come up to norcal pickin fights like little bitches. A few months ago i almost got jumped for wearing red in my own neighborhood. The scraps were 17-24 their were 5 of them and im 13 that shows that their pussies and can only fight in groups and not like real men. You fools dont know shit about Norteño life style you just believe what you here on the news or internet. Ask a real Norteño what its all about and you will get your answer.


Educated_Hyna_831 6 years ago

Thanks Terry for the info. I completely understand your point of view because from what I've read, you're much like myself and many others. I agree with thinking about your decisions bc they do open and close doors. I'm not really in to informing any kind of authority about any activity. I'm not even in it like that. I keep away from all that mess. It's too negative for me and my future. Bay are 707, hush your mouth please! You sound real ignorant right about now. That isn't a valid statement nor arguement. I don't get ur point. Are you really even a banger? You guys are the exact same but from different sides repping a different color and number. No differences at all. You're all about the exact same thing. Personally little honors here make it easy to get popped bc the "bitch ass" wannabes put thier shut out there n make hoods look bad. Just cuttin up and becoming easy target for the scraps. Easy ass access! Stop going to parties and flaming ur colors and yellig ene or norte to just anyone and around anyone for no apparent reason. Why can't you youngsters at least be more organized, discreet and just smart about it if ur gonna do it. If you're gonna be a g than b a g but don't be a whack ass that has no damn sense and gets popped like nothing. And a real gangster gets money. Most of you are broke ass jokes. I don't mean hitting licks occasionally. You gotta be in constant motion, making moves, stacking paper with a steady flow. You're soldiers, not gangsters. You know how Italians do, they stay stacking and they do their dirt, hence; a gangster.You guys make me laugh. Go back to school and make yourself useful bc mist of you weren't meant for the gang life or you wouldn't get smoked so quickly and young. A tragic waste of opportunity and a great example of what Terry stated above, "Take an honest look at where you want to be in 5 years, every choice you make will open new doors and close others, your decisions will determine your future, make them good ones".

PS: Now we all know there us no such thing as a Nortena. That is just a down ass bitch that the homies use for thier own gain. You hynas know you don't outbin work like the homies do ir have to do the things they do to become nortenos. I was told by an OG norteno. Ladies, use birth control, condoms and keep those legs closed. Although gangster might be cute and seem exciting, it gets old. Women are so important. Look for a man that will always be there an always be able to care for you and your family. One who will proudly provide and treat you like a queen. Never let em disrespect you, make sure they have ends and they're going to teach your kids something good. Do you guys want your babies growing up to be in a gang, constantly locked up or getting shot? Uhh....not really!


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

Educated Hyna,

Thank you for your comments. In the 831, the community needs to come together and put the spot light on the banggers. There is a toll free info. line where people can call and give information, do not give them any identifying information, don't need it. They will then notify the local law enforcement. This way you are protected from having your name come out or having to testify in court. I have talked with people that have used and tested the system. If they mistakenly gave their name the operator would not take any info, and told them to call back and not give their name. This way the companies records or operators can not be brought into court to identify the caller that gave the info.

Its time for the good people of Salinas to take back their city, one house, one street at a time.


Educated_Hyna_831 6 years ago

I'd just like to add that I am not "hating" I'm just fed up and worried. My family and I came up from the wring side if the tracks but we are strong an sought out opportunity. We worked hard to make sure we didn't have to end up like everyone else. We had hard times and found a better way. It is always hard and there isn't anything that comes easy. Just stick with it, move away but always stay strong. Always think of your best interest. It may sound selfish but that is how all these successful people get thiers. And don't blame the color o your skin. Not all white people have it easy. In fact, most of them were poor at once. They're just better at staying focused and putting themselves first(being selfish). Don't hate becase we all can see that it works;p


Educated_Hyna_831 6 years ago

I was just searching for a breakdown of a Nortenos role from NF. This blo is ridiculous! First off people, learn how to spell and use actual words. With that being said, basically if you're going to make all this effort to be so down for something, be down for something positive. Fuck the crazy gang life if you can. Get the hell out! Every year I find out that someone who was once well off that got caught up in the gang life. What are you really fighting for? You're all just being brain washed, you're all zombies. Be free, make your own positive choices that will be in beat interest of yourself and your family. Not knowing if you'll make it the next day isn't an excuse. Anyone could die at any moment, gang related or not. At least make a good life for yourself so you made it worth your time here on earth. How could you raise your children an bring all this nonsense an danger to your innocent families? It also degrdibg to use the that Wella bird. Ceasar Chavez and other workers fought hard to establish respect and fairness for the field workers that worked so hard to get many of your family members where they are now. How could you disrespect his efforts in such a way by taking his symbol? Your families are here struggling working te shittiest jobs to provide you with better lives and your taking it for granted an not appreciating thier struggle for you to have a great life. Why don't you fight to educate yourselves and get a good enough job, travel, make life more exciting besides banging. Or if you want to really fight for something, join the army. What do you really gain from being in a gang? Don't say respect. Real people will respect you until proven wrong. The people that you want respect from ate inferior and irrelevant. You can definitely do without them if you had real priorities. Even if you have to make money, just sell drugs and Mae enough to get urself or whoever in school and better yourself from there. NF doesn't give a damn about you. Family wouldn't encourage you to do such horrid things and hurt so many people. Family would want the absolute best for you an do whatever to help you get there. Family wouldn't have you sacrifice or compromise your freedom. All in all, use your judgement and you all know the basics; right and wrong. I'm so over this whack ass gang life. Get a life because you guys are literally useless to the real world. All your so called perks of this lifestyle will definitely come to an end so you basically became a bitch to life. they say "live life and don't let life live you", you're all letting life live you.

My heart aches for this God forsaken town


Reaper 6 years ago

This guy funny and hes writing Ha


seafanera93955 6 years ago

HOW ABOUT YOU LEAVE EVERYBODY THE ALONE N LET IT BE, ALL THIS SHOULDNT EVEN CONCERN YOU AT ALL. YOU SEEM TO JUDGE NORTENOS SO MUCH WHEN YOU AINT EVEN COLOSE TO KNOWING SHIT. SEARIOUSLY..THINGS U SAY REALLY GET ON MY NERVES. GET WITH IT OR GET LOST CUHZ THATS JUST HOW SHIT GOES. STOP BEING SO IGNORANT!!!!! SHITS NEVER GOIN TO CHANGE. BCUZ U SHOULD HAVE HEARD THIS PHRASE A MILLION TIMES..."CANT STOP, WHONT STOP TILL MY CASKET DROPS!!"


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

Burque

Thank you for your service, I wish you and your family the best.


BURQUE_X4 6 years ago

TERRY

EXCUSE ME BUT THE MORE YOU THINK THAT JUST YOU HEARD A SNITCH SAY THIS AND THAT, LOOK DONT JUDGE ME OR OTHERS OF WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO YES THESE PEOPLE ARE STUPID SAY HOOD THIS HOOD THAT IM NOT A VETERANO NOR AM I A YOUNGSTER YOU KNOW I DID MY DIRT!!! NO, DONT ASSUME YOU DO CAUSE YOU DONT AND FOR ALL THESE FOOLS TALKING THIS AND THAT IN HERE LIKE $4LiNER4 SAYS INTERNET BANGERS YOU ALL JUST LOUD MOUTH INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO BETTER UR STILL THINKING UR DOING HARD THINGS WHEN INFACT U AINT DOING SHIT!!!! I WILL ALWAYS BE A NORTENO I HAVENT FORGOTTEN MY ROOTS BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN I CANT TO BETTER FOR ME OR MY FAMILY NOW IM IN MY EALRY 20s AND BELONG TO A MORE BIGGER SMARTER GANG THAT IS THE US ARMY U KNOW I HAVE NIGHTMARES OF IVE DONE AND SEEN BUT IM MAN ENOUGHT TO FACE THE FACT IM NOT A BOY LIKE MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE IM A MAN!!!! NOT CAUSE OF MY ROOTS OR MY COLORS BUT CAUSE OF MY HEART!!! IN ORDER FOR ANY OF U TO REALISE WHAT IT MEANS TO STAND FOR HOOD!!! STAND FOR YOUR COUNTRY AND FIGHT A REAL WAR!!!


250norteno 6 years ago

You can talk all you want terry b davis, but the fact of the matter is, that pure XIV will never die, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ITS LIKE TO GROW UP IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT IS CRIP DOMINANT, AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS, AND FOR THESE CRIP GANG MEMBERS WHO ONE DAY DECIDE HEY WERE GOING TO RAPE THIS GIRL UNDER THE BRIDGE, AND THERE ARE 6 OF THESE RAPIST'S WHO PIN YOUR FAMILY MEMBER DOWN AND YOU KNOW THE REST, WHAT DO YOU DO THEN??? KEEP IN MIND THE WHOLE TIME YOU HAVE NEVER CLAIMED ANY GANG TIES, THEN TO HAVE THESE PUNKS COME BY YOUR HOUSE WITH A SAWD OFF SHOTGUN AND SHOOT UP YOUR HOUSE CUZ YOU JUMPED A COUPLE OF THESE RAPIST'S, THEN YOU FIND OUT THE COPS CANT PRESS CHARGES BECUASE OF GANG AFFILITIAON AND INTOXICATION SO THEY LET THE RAPIST GET AWAY WITH IT, THEN WHAT DO YOU DO???HUH!! I WILL TELL YOU WHAT WE DID, WE CAME TOGETHER AS A FAMILY AND BEAT THE MAIN RAPIST TO DEATH!!! (STILL NO GANG TIES!!) THEN WE HAVE THESE WANNABE CRIPS WHO CORNER YOUR COUSIN AND JUMP HIM CUZ HE WAS WEARING RED, THEN THEY PULL OUT A KNIFE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT, SO MY COUSIN TAKES THE KNIFE AND TURNS IT ON HIM AND KILLS THE KID WITH THE KNIFE, STILL NO GANG TIES.... NOW TODAY I HAVE BEEN SHOT AT TWICE, HAD ONE PERSON INVADE MY HOME TO KILL ME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, NOW WE HAVE THE PERMISSION TO BE NORTENO, FROM MY CARNAL IN SPOKANE.. BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE STORY IS...WHERE IS THE POLICE??? I TRIED TO DO SH** RIGHTOUES WITH MY LIFE LIKE JOIN THE ARMY...I WAS A DRYWALLER...I WAS A SCHOLAR...A GREAT FOOTBALL PLAYER...BUT WHERE I COME FROM ITS RIDE OR DIE...AND POLICE CANT DO NOTHING...WHY BECUASE GANGS WILL NEVER DIE!!!!! IM TAKING THIS KNOWLEDGE AND POWER AND FORMING MY FAMILY INTO SOLDIERS, WE WORKOUT, WE SPAARR AND PUT ON THE GLOVES, WE LEARN THE ART OF SELF DEFENSE, WE GO TO THE SHOOTING RANGE, WE GO FOR HIKES AS A UNIT!! WE NOW HAVE OUR OWN ARMY, ALL OF THIS TRANSPIRED IN SELF DEFENSE..AND WITHOUT HELP FROM THE COPS, AND SELLING WEED IS NOT CRIMINAL.. WE DONT GET OUR OWN PEOPLE HOOKED ON HARD DRUGS, WE GO INTO THEIR HOUSE AND TAKE THIER SHIT...ESPECIALLY WHEN I FIND OUT THESE PEICES OF SH** WERE SELLING TO MY 14 YEAR OLD SISTER.. TELL ME WHAT CAN THE COPS DO???


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

Kitty kat,

The traits you talk about are good, however when those traits only apply to a group and no one else it creates problems. He works out, and educates himself because the gang makes him. When he gets out he will be expected to support the gang and its members. Taking from non nortenos is okay, robbing people is okay, breaking into other peoples homes, cars etc is okay, as long as he gives the gang their cut, and does as he is told.

What exactly is the Norteno movement? A gang is nothing more than a criminal enterprise, that makes its gains by causing others losses.

As for judging people, I can judge their actions but not their heart. No one person or group is better than another, but a person or a group can do the wrong thing.

I grew up in an area that had gangs, we were not rich or even well to do. We saved coke bottles so that once a month we could go to the show, as long as I can remember I wore hand me downs, and the soles of my shoes flapped. I over heard my parents fighting about money, I had gone home after school and had nothing at home to eat. But through it all, I was always taught its whats inside a person that counts, not what is on the outside. Be honest, fair and consistant, work 8 hours for 8 hours of pay. I got into my share of trouble, and every time I had to pay the price and take responsibility for my actions. The one thing I always remembered was my Father telling me, the only thing a man has in this life is his name and his reputation. The only thing a man will leave on this earth is the memory that others will have of him.

Take an honest look at where you want to be in 5 years, every choice you make will open new doors and close others, your decisions will determine your future, make them good ones.

I hope you find your answers.Also thank you for your comment, and your honesty.

Terry


KittyKat 6 years ago

I'm not a gang banger, I grew up on the "right side" of the tracks, there are no gangs in my neighborhood and, until I met my boyfriend, I'd never even (knowingly) met a gang member. To cut a long story short he got sent to prison - for a long time. I've stayed with him because despite what he did, he's a good man. That might sound like a paradox but it's his belief in the norteno movement that makes him strive for the qualities that are admired in "normal" society - honor, respect and loyalty. Because of my background I can see why Terry views gang membership the way he does. In a way I feel the same way. But I can also see that being in the norteno movement helps my guy survive in prison. Not in the physical sense, he's more than capable of taking care of himself. But by giving him a sense of purpose, keeping him grounded, instilling self-discipline and no doubt keeping loneliness at bay. He takes the 14 bonds very seriously. In an environment where he's treated like less than an animal they allow him to feel a sense of worth and pride in himself. Nortenos refer to each other as loved ones, follow a strict exercise regime, encourage each other to get better educated (healthy mind, healthy body) and take care of new guys coming through whose accounts are frozen. Any member who doesn't have family providing for them is "sponsored" by a norteno on the outside. Prison aside, isn't this what we'd want from a community?

You may say he's in prison, he deserves what he gets. Maybe, it is what it is. But the fact is I love him and I want him to get through this in one piece with his sanity in tact. If the nortenos help him do that, then I'm not going to start throwing dirt at them. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's easy for so-called civilised society to stand in almighty judgement of these gangs when we've never had to get our hands dirty living in the same situation. I'm not condoning them and I'm not condemning them. All I know is that without the nortenos my guy's time in prison would be a whole lot different - and worse.

I will say though that he wouldn't be impressed at some of these guys hootin' and hollarin' in semi illiterate posts because it makes the movement look bad, as though it IS full of degenerates. Don't do yourselves down. You know how to talk and write properly and if you do, your arguments will be more credible. Leave the street talk on the streets.

Anyway, I just thought I throw my 10 cents in the ring...:)


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Amused... 6 years ago

Interesting how many of the comments claiming that Terry 'don't know shit' include no facts or other references to support their disparaging statements. Instead, they use fallacious arguments ("Personal Attack" http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-... in an attempt to discredit him.

This only underscores what Terry has already stated: "Gang members, like all criminals prefer to go about their business un-noticed by the general population."

Much to their chagrin, they are now being noticed, and want to avoid taking responsibility for their own bad behavior.


n0RtEn0 :: XIV 6 years ago

fukking old azz damm. . you know what fukk you dude you dont know shit we do it to do it


deebo 6 years ago

Terry well done. Dont know how you manage to put up with these brainwashed scum.


Anthony 6 years ago

Hello, my name is Anthony, im a 34 years of age state raised from the age of 7 untill 2003 when i got off parole,

I myself grew up in the shelters the foster homes juvenile and ofcourse prison, i hear alot of what these people are saying about the nortenos and sureno varrios, and at one time i had the same beliefs, however one thing ive learned now is that a real man or women stand on there own two feet, its providing for your family at all cost, its going to work or school and doing something for yourself, I was a soldier to the wheels fall off, theres almost nothing in this state i havent eather seen or experinced, so before people get on here and start talking madness let me tell im your now hearing talk from someone who has been there and done that, anyhow Mr Davis its good to know your doing your part to try and educate these men and women on where Gang banging leads, im now a sociology major, im working and im married with kids, i hope to one day actually write a book on my life style so that i can educate kids and parents not only about gangs but about drugs and child abuse and all and all about real life from a state raised kid, anyhow thanks for reading, any comments can be emailed to me at huesosbackinsanjo@yahoo.com


Lifer 6 years ago

I think it is so unfortunate that so many people fall victim to the gang lifestyle. The truth is most of these people, especially young kids that get involved need acceptance and love from their own families, especially their fathers and when it's not there they go in search of it somewhere else. I have seen grown men cry who say that they are hard up gansters, but in reality are lost, caught up in an enviroment that isn't about brotherly love,but more about fear and alienation, I know first hand gangs say that they have your back, maybe they do when it comes down to a brawl, however when it really matters the only people there for you are your blood, and sometimes not even them. People join gangs for protection, acceptance, and the easy life but the only people that really ever prosper are the leaders. It's a bad comparison, but it's not unlike a business that hire workers to do the heavy and dirty work and pay menial wages, and who do you think get's the big payday? that's right the people at the top. So my advice to those who have joined or are thinking about joining a gang is think don't be stupid, it takes more of a man to get up every day and take care of his responsabilities with a real job, then to take the easy way out join a gang pay dues! and never amount to anything.


.L!L Nutty :: 6 years ago

no matter what we do ppl are alwayz gona think all we are are a bunch of little punks. tha things we do dont mean shit to tha ppl that dont bang... but to tha ones that do bang this shit iz a fucking life stile... something worth doin! itz not juz all bout a fuckin color or a god damn number itz all about having ppl that are down with you no matter what.... ppl that arnt scared to hit tha streets to bang fo what they kno iz right... itz ppl that arnt scared to say what they believe, that arnt scared to have there own opinion. imma stay nutty fo life. x4 xiv


. .... 6 years ago

Terry B. Davis you don't know $hit!!!!


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

SJ Native,

We can't put them on an island, but what we can do is simple. We need to make laws outlawing criminal street gangs, listing them as urban terrorists. Set up a solid criteria to validate gang members an associates. We would hold them much like we do terrorists, for life or until they renounce their affiliation, in writting giving up all criminal acts they and others known to them had been involved with as well as other members and associates. We will grant a non-procecution policy as long as they remain gang free and release them. However, if they re-associate they will be tried for all crimes committed and returned to prison for life, no visits, no TV, in cells 24/7 until they die. They will be responsible for their rehabilitation and for their actions.

I understand your frustration, several gang members and associates have moved in, rented houses in my area. I have had several discussions with them, and keep an eye on their activities. They tend to go elsewhere to mess around, they do not like attention drawn to their activities. Maintain a vehicle log and people log, dates, times, type of clothing (gang colors etc.) and even video tape. Report suspicious activity to your local police, and give them the info you have collected. Do not let them know that you are doing this, safety issues. Good luck, and thanks for your comments.


SJ Native but not a banger 6 years ago

Can't we put these people on an island somewhere to fight out "their" territory and leave the rest of us productive members of society alone? I'm tired of having to live beside these sub-humans.


girl14 6 years ago

.well norte is tha life u motha fuker im just a 14 year old n im a nortena n no 1 will change that this shit u be saying is not true u just hatting on us becuz u cant go back too be young n get too be a norteno!!!! soo keep onhatting but notings gnna change this!!!::


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

I have already stated my case. As long as the comments have value, and are not such as to promote violence, I allow them to stand on their own. To comment on a persons point of view really does no good. So I decided to let the comments stand on their own merrits. Alot of the comments, including the ones I disagree with, are best left for the readers to evaluate. In a lot of cases, these comments will open peoples eyes and give them a look at how gang members and associates view their world, and their mind set. I am here to give people information from my experiances, and others who comment, give their experiances and views.

After all, this is not an e-mail, but a way to pass on information, and as with all information on the internet it must be investigated and verified, you can not believe everything on the internet.


$4LiNER4  6 years ago

$ince theze commentz that have been left after are mo$tly po$itive and not idiotic i$ that why u have nothing to $ay Mr.Terry? you have no correctionz?


darksbeasts 6 years ago

i think its the realism that there are bad people out there. what are you going to do when the house down the street wants to rape one of your family? too many people in that house for you to fight! are you going to call the police and make them even madder? the police arent always there 24/7. thats why we form gangs too.


Robertx4 6 years ago

so ur trying to persuade gang members to stop..sayin it aint worth it..lol..do u know how many gang members there are in the COunTRy...yeah ok tell it to everyone...thatll never happen..you cant stop gangs..and most people join gangs cuz they have no other way to live..sell dope..make the $..they have no choice..and there are other reasons they join..i mean..$urenos are racist..you go tell a $ureno to stop bangin..do u think he will..NO..so ima be their enemy ...they dont go away...wut makes u think i will..


$aN JoNero 408 6 years ago

Terry

How uncommon is it that you hear housewives killing their husbands? Or Son killing his own father? It's pretty common so when you say "What family kills its own or members of its own race due to their ideology" it doesn't matter who you are. The only reason foolz get killed by one another is because they're stupid. Killing over money and drugs and all that B$. They did that out of their own greed and selfishness. I say fuck money and drugs, those won't stand between me and my homies. Another reason why foolz get killed by one another is because they don't follow the rules they're given. They get carried away and so wrapped up in THEMSELVES and they forget about the family, and consider themselves number one.

As far as the generals and soldiers are concerned, it's all about rank. They have been trusted with that position for a reason, and it's a soldiers responsibility to follow his orders.

I also worked my ass off ok. I came from a broke family too. My parents lived paychek to paychek, but we still had fun. Go see a movie once in a long while. I collected bottles and cans just buy a dam soda for me and my brother when we go play ball at the park. I too carried a lawnmower and a leaf blower all through my neighborhood just to make money regardless of what my homboyz said about me, i didn't get mad, i knew this is what has to be done. I was workin in a factory without pay when i was 11 years old. Helpin my mom out at work. I would organize hazardous materials, sorting out precious metals to non-precious metals. I agree with you when you say " when i got in a fight, it was one on one, and was settled" i completely agree with that. Nowadays these lil punks act like cry babys and get their homboyz to jump in just cuz they can't protect themselves, thats cowardly and i don't like that. If i got beat down and if i still felt the same way, i would go after him myself and handle it. Now the whole calling me "Brainwashed" pisses me off because nobody told me to represent Norte. Nobody made any promises to me. I found it by myself. There were no lies, just the love and respect the homies gave me. I started banging because i want to protect the ones i care about blood related or not, if they're true i'm down for them. And i know the scrap laying on the ground bleeding has a family. His family should have also known that he was a $ureno and try to persuade him out of that life style. You talk as if he didn't know what he was getting into. He knew exactly what he was involved in, and his fate was sealed. Yes i do see him as an individual and a human being because he his responsible for his life and the actions he takes. You, me, the scrapz and every other gangbanger out there are all human. Our lives are fragile and they can be broken or taken away in a split second.

You mentioned terrorist in our last conversation. Let me just say you dropped the ball. How are the US citizens any diffrent from us? They kill because they want to protect what they believe and what they love, just the same as us. Then who's to say they're not brainwashed? Can you honestly say that an american soldier has not taken an innocent life? The only diffrenece i see is that we don't get PTSD when things calm down and we're back home. Now no dis-respect, I know PTSD is a very serious disorder and no dis-respect to any of the soldiers because they put their lives on the line.

Thank you. I busted my ass day and night to get through high school, i appreciate that. As for your advise about going to the military, no thank you. Both of my grandfathers were in the military and they're messed health wise so no, i already have a skill i'm good with. I'll save money by busting my ass off, getting a paycheck every 2 weeks isn't a problem for me. As for feeling the love of real soldiers, my homgirls HUSBAND is in the military and he prefers beef over taco now. They had a baby girl together before he went to the military. Now they are divorced and he see's his baby girl when he can.

First, my life is in my hands, and second, my life is in the hands of those i trust with it. Lives are way too precious to just be given to people you don't trust.


$4LiNER4 6 years ago

Dear Terry,

to start off i am a northern youngster hyna myself we our taught to respect our elders cherish our mothers and fathers and blood is always thicker than water.

Another thing is education nowadayz the older homiez also say you HAVE to have ur education its MANDATORY! if your gonna be a part of a gang we want you to be smart we dont want stupid normal person off the street. OH and one of these comments also mentioned somthing about us being intimidating and thats why theres becoming more surenos! we dont need scarrey people that are scared if you want to be down youve got to come down you dnt get taught these things if cowardness is natruel to you than stick to school. we dont kill inoccent people wer im from theres NO drive by'z here thatz not our thing maybe scrapz do that but us no thatz another thing taught to us.

If "gang bangers" have told you other it must be uneducated youngsters d.o. or scraps because that is something thats most important to us. Excuse most of these stupid kids on the top the only one who is truly on the chart with there words are CEaser and mr sanjo up there because most of what they said is right though some is faulty information I get told by the older homiez to do what i have to do ive had homiez die that i was wit just a fewhourz ago hear shotz fired look out my window smell the gun powder and bam there it is u just lost another homie itz hard out here you might think you know but you seriously have no idea.when i can i sleep with my strap next to me im paranoid to the point where i kant sleep somtimez at all im to worried and its not for myself its for my family.my life is not half as valuable as theres the only reason theres "war" is because they shoot us and we shoot them back double time nowadayz its not about fighting i wish it could be but itz not and me personally i like pocket knifes i think if u have the balls to merk someone u should be up close and get your handz dirty do the damage. i wish my homiez didnt die but thatz one wish that will never come true and thatz why itz like this you kant be a part of somthing that your not going to be 100% with. If your a true northerner you will fess up once caught and say you know i did the crime im down with the time even if you dont want to itz a fact we're straight up. we have respect but also to have it , tis must be earned and with that i think ive said tooooooo much but excuse this part of my language FUCK YOU YOUNGSTERz TALKING SHIT ON HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW NOTHING AND YOUR JUST A BUNCH OF INTERNET BANGERz THAT NEED TO GET A LIFE AND STOP MAKING US LOOK LIKE FOOLS WITH YOU STUPID ASS VOCABULARY YOU HAVE NO RESPECT!

E4$T $iDE $4L4$ T0WN


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

San Jonero 408

Good responce, but no meat. What is the cause, what family will kill its own or members of its own race due to their ideology? If the cause is so right, why do the generals at the bay don't follow the same rules as the soliders on the street?

I came from a poor family, we didn't steal, rob or commit any crimes to make our money, we worked. We collected bottles all week to get money to go to a show, walked the neighborhood with a push mower to do lawns, worked in the fields picking strawberries during the summer for a dollar a crate, those were fields that already had been picked once. Went to employers and offered a week of work without pay, if they liked our work to hire us was the agreement. If I got into a fight it was one on one, and was settled, no getting the homies for revenge if I lost, neither of us went home unscathed no matter if I won or lost. You sound the same as a person that has been brain washed, the lies repeated so often you believe them without question. The sureno on the ground bleeding has family, loved ones, and hopes and dreams the same as you. You no longer view them as individuals or as human beings the same as you. This is the same way that terrorists view US citizens, and how their brainwashing since youth has affected them. Gangs today have more in common with terrorists than they think.

I am happy to hear that you have completed high school and are thinking about attending college. Word of advise, if you don't have the money for school, spend four years in the military, learn a skill, save money for school, and feel the love of real soliders in real battles against a real enemy. The people you serve, no matter color, or race are your brothers and sisters, your life is in their hands and their lives are in your hands.

Thank you for your comments and I wish you well in your schooling and beyond.

Terry


$aN JoNero 408 6 years ago

Terry

Have you ever heard of the saying "Everyone has a plan until they get hit"? Well that's exactly what happens to everyone, whether your in a hood or just a average joe like yourself. Half of these people's comments are correct. But it's people like you that get the message wrong. Sure it might sound scary and horrible like they say or how you portray it, that's only because Nortenoz have alot of passion for one another and for what we stand for.

When you first start saying Norte XIV Por Vida there's a sense of achievment. You have been accepted as part of a family you never had. Pride, Love, Respect, Justice, and Honor. All of those feelings combined all at once, u give and take. But for someone like you I guess wouldn't ever experience that, so you wouldn't understand. And if you think you have guess again. It's a feeling you could never imagine, you feel it physically and mentally. It absorbs your entire being, you can feel the passion burning through your veins to your heart. It's unexplainable. But I hope you can get a piece of what I'm trying to say.

Norte Por Vida is a life style. One that which must be understood first before entering. There is alwayz a dark side to every light, you cannot escape it. One day you'll think you're untouchable, everything is right where it needs to be. The next day you can be killed or serving 25 to Life in prison.

Now it's true that there are "Fake" Nortenos and real or "Hard" Nortenos. The Fake Nortenos will start doing stupid shit like fighting or killing anybody just so that he can brag about it. In my belief anyone can ball a fist or pull a trigger, it doesn't matter whether your a homboy or scrap. The Hard Nortenos know what they are fighting for and don't take un-necessary actions such as murder unless they have to.

We do what we want in order to survive. Don't stereotype that. It doesn't mean robbing and killing. If we want to sell drugs because we can't work a 9 to 5 we will. Are we responsible where those drugs lead to after we make a deal? No. So all of those "Brothers, Sisters, and Family" that you were saying in the previous comments are false. We Do Not Poison Our Families. Our individuality makes us Familia. So in other words, one does not speak for all.

As for myself, i prefer the old fashion way. I don't have any problems beatin a $crapa down in the street and watchin him bleed. I use my hands because those are the weapons i am born with. I don't like guns but if a rival wants to shoot and kill me when i'm just walkin down the street i'm going to feel better about my chances of survival with a Cuete behind my back. The only drugs that i have ever done and will only do is weed. If i see a mother with her kids or just anyone that has no business to do with drugs i'm going to respect them and i'm going to walk around them not pass them because i do not want them to think it is ok to do drugs. I have successfully graduated High School got my diploma, i have plans to go college but money is tight right now. I refuse to sell drugs to get tuition. I was raised to bust my ass to get where and who i want to be. I'm still reppin it for that North$ide $aN Jo 408 XIV.


jj 6 years ago

LISTEN TO CEASAR. He's been in it,so he knows. Like I said, THINK.


jj 6 years ago

I have many friends into this shit.IT AINT WORTH IT.Originally,it started just to support old guys in prison.Hating south is hypocrytical.And dont say I don't know wat I'm talkin bout cuz I've bin a nortena and IT AINT WORTH IT. think a lil.


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Terry B. Davis 6 years ago Author

Ceasar, no apology needed, when dealing with passions it sometimes happens. Good comments, thank you.

Terry


Ceasar rodriguez 6 years ago

Oh and Terry B. Davis i apologize for my foul language in my comment above


Ceasar rodriguez 6 years ago

The old man has a point, though many of his facts are wrong. The gang life all you youngsters seek and think is the shit, you only think that because you dont know the half of it, i would bet none of you know what its like to be locked up for 10 years on some bullshit charges and not be able to see your own daughter who you have waited so long to see because you are scared to endanger her life because of The people looking for you. You dont know what its like to put 5 shots point blank into a scraps chest because he called you a punk ass buster, you think oh i could do that no problem until you do it and you cant even loom yourself in the fucking mirror knowing that levas whole family will never stop to find you. Ive been shot twice and stabbed 3 times so when you live through that then you can post your comments talking about puro Norte when you dont know the meaning of the fucking words. You youngsters should stop trying to say you bang when you dont even know why you do. If you were real enes you would post your comments like that because an older homeboy would have told you not to attract attention to yourself. Gang life is not the way to go, all you should get out while you still can and live your life happy and have a family like i can never do because of my choices. The man is right and you youngsters should respect him regardless of what you think of his beliefs


-_- 7 years ago

and how about real criminals? how about you write something about them? like child rapist, murders who do it for the fun or the thrill of what..people who are messed up in the mind? that happens EVERY DAMN DAY in the country,state and even all over the world..i think everyone should be worried about that rather just a group of friends who have a close bond...


-_- 7 years ago

i myself don't bang bt i do know a good handful of ppl that do and am surround by them its everywhere whether it be blacks,white,chinese lol , arabs, LATINOS or wateva but terry b davis..honestly you can think what you want but i dont think your thoughts really matter..your just putting horror thoughts into other that dont know anything about it in their heads and causin them to think bad about nortenos...look it is what it is..yeah violence has occur between both them and scraps but the reason behind it goes so deep into it and i believe the real niggaz in these gangs know why..and believe it or not some of these gangs or not all of them do encourage eachotha or the younger ones to be smart not dumb to get caught up and looked down on by ppl like you.& on a last note, on your comment about & i quote..

"Surenos have made an effort to move into Norteno controlled areas in an effort to take over the entire state of california."

.....scraps arent taking over nothin..

&&& i dont see you taking bout the aryan brothers that wana kill every other motherfucker or the KKK or whatever..


$k 7 years ago

north ha$ a cau$e more like c.a.u.$.e if you dont know wat that $tand$ for the your not a real homie


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Terry B. Davis 7 years ago Author

It is an ongoing battle between the two. Surenos have made an effort to move into Norteno controlled areas in an effort to take over the entire state of california. They are behind in their prior time table.

Also, the boarder brothers usually have good drug connections into Mexico and can be used as growers here in california. They don't mind camping out in the woods and tending to the crops.

Alot of the current violence is due to the surenos take over bid in northern california. Gangs are not static, they learn, change and continue their activities.

In fact many of the illegals here that have become victims of robbery or pay protection have even started their own gangs for protection and make treaties with surenos in this case to increase their numbers.

Thank you for your comments


RAZA 7 years ago

Northern California used to be a Norteño town but that the gang’s dominance, and threats and intimidation directed toward newcomers, ironically caused some to shy away and find acceptance with the Sureños.


RAZA 7 years ago

The Norteno gang is not really gonna make it in the end unless they join with their rival gang maybe all the one's in jail are raza but the ones out in the streets messing with the raza who don't even speak english or know anything about gangs are black n white somehow those blacks n whites think that all latinos are surenos. Nortenos are lossing popularity the only ones that will last long are whole families of nortenos and areas in which there are alot of Nortenos because the surenos are becoming real popular and are increasing numbers in northern california.


7 years ago

Haha! That foo terry hella punking everyone


sacramaniac 7 years ago

I know hella whole families that are Nortenos, or crip, or Blood; so don't try to tell me that gang membership takes you away from your family or whatever. Getting killed or sent to the pinta takes away your family.... The real problem isn't gangs, but individuals. Some of the worst people I've ever met never banged anything...


N.S 7 years ago

#### you haters its all aout that norte::


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Terry B. Davis 7 years ago Author

Lil Looney, thank you for your comments. I could not have made my point any clearer.


Lil LooNe4 7 years ago

look old man, there's a difference between your fakes and your down ass nortenos. but you to stuck up to where you cant tell da difference between da 2. your fakes will talk shit, like northside dis and that, but wwhen it come down to it, they dont talk da talk or walk da walk. your down ass nortenos will talk but also be able to back it up. no matter who they are up against. im a norteno, and ive experienced hella shit. now tell me, have you ever lived in da hood, fought lil pussys, had to go to bed at night nt knowing if youll wake up and your family will be there.? no you havent. i do dat eaveryday. you dont know wat da norteno life is about.just cuz you been to college and all dat shit, don t mean you know as much as we do. your people think dat cuz we bang and some sell drugs, we bad people. but we aint. we tryin to support our familys and protect out territory. so get your facts straight before you open your mouth. cuz dis G.U.N. will never die, we will live for all eternity.


Pancho's GUn 7 years ago

Danile, you're just in denile.

momos you're just a homo.

Scientists know more monkeys than monkeys know about themselves. Sureños, norteños are all a bunch of brain washed levas who don't know anything about themselves or about the real raza trying to make a living or about how their own organizations work.

They leave their jefitas and sisters behind, diss their jefes and their brothers to join a bunch of dumb fuckers who promise them shit that they're never gonna get. They promise them a "familia." That familia will take more from them than they'll ever get from that "familia."

I'm not going to write more because I know you wont read it. You have probably never read this much.


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Terry B. Davis 7 years ago Author

Not in California, if they claim Norteno membership they are placed in housing unit that have norteno's. If the yard has Norteno and sureno gang members they attempt to keep the numbers equal so that they usually maintain a peaceful coexisistance. Many county jails will keep them seperated and place them due to their own admission,or information that places them as members. With that said, at the bay they have an agreement between the leaders of the various gangs not to attack each other. Some prisons in California are considered Norteni prisons and some sureno, this is usualy due to numbers and who controlls that prisons yards or housing units.


The boss 7 years ago

They don't proclaim it as they have to do their time with rivaral gang members. Some can live together in jail, others can't.


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Terry B. Davis 7 years ago Author

As the readers can see, these guys think that they are special, they have no regard for others or others views. They believe violence or the threat makes them bigger or better than others. However, very few stand up for their cause when they go to court or to prison, they deny gang affiliation. If they are so right in their deeds and actions why don't they proclaim them?


Eddy 7 years ago

Terry you shouldnt be tlkin bout wat you dnt kno bout

u may hav heard 4rm some stupid lil levas but until u heard 4rm a REAL norteno veterano ull never understand. u aint never been in a gang or hung wit some real killas so straight up fool u should jus shut the fuk up. we are the same as you its jus ur to ignorant to get it. So fuk u nigga u dnt kno shit


Neroy_X4 7 years ago

This article is old like you Terry lol


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Terry B. Davis 7 years ago Author

B.Street,

I have not shown your comment. If you can keep from using gang slurs, I will allow your comments. This site is to educate people about gangs, not to get involved in gang warfare. If you could restate your comments so that non gang people can understand them I am sure it would help people understand the gang culture and get insight into it.


momos 7 years ago

hahaha wooooww are you seriouse. I just tell it how it is.


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Terry B. Davis 7 years ago Author

momos

The only comments I take out are either obscene, or gang shout outs to other gang members.


momos 7 years ago

hahahahahahaha take my comment off haha because u dont have anything too say about it cuz im right i no what im talking about. nortenos look out more for the comunity more than you could ever imagin. there aint no one selling drugs on my corner because my varrio makes sher of that. we do more drug busts than the police hahaha


momos 7 years ago

hahaha you can dress it up all you want terry but it dosnt change what it is


momos 7 years ago

u think you no evrey thing cus of your expereince but i am living proof. u do not no more than me because i am a norteno so talk all you whant.


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Terry B. Davis 7 years ago Author

Momos,

You are wrong, nice try. The gang comes first, they are your family. Nortenos tax everyone that sells drugs in their areas, don't pay you don't play.

I have had contact with gang members for over 25 years, six of which were on the streets, I have listened to over 2,000 phone calls from gang members. I have worked with informants and heard their stories on what gangs are and are not.

Crime rates are about 90% related to gang activity. The largest portion and most violent crimes are committed in connection with gangs.

You can dress it up and call it what ever you want, but it does not change what it is.


momos 7 years ago

1st of all norteno gangs is about family. thats why evrey real norteno noes family first, wich means family befor the gang. 2nd of all there are thousands of people who sell drugs not just nortenos and 3rd of all if u dont gang-bang u dnt have 2 worry about anything. and i got something too tell u terry B. davis u never been out there and found out what nortenos are about 1st hand all u do is see it on the news and on the internet so terry B. davis u dont no what ur talking about and shouldnt be geting ur nose in too stuff that u have no bussness geting ur nose in


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Terry B. Davis 7 years ago Author

Norte Cal 14 NIA;

Your comments are the reason I display all comments, you can say it better than anyone else.

Thank You

I rest my case.


NORTE CAL14NIA 7 years ago

OLD MAN YOUR JU$T A BITCH. NORTE IS A LIFE $TYLE WE DONT $ELL DRUG$ TO OUR FAMILIA. IT$ NOT URBAN TERRORI$M IT$ $OLDIER$ RIDIN FOR THEIR FAMILIE$.


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Terry B. Davis 7 years ago Author

Norteno gangs are not about your family, if it was you would support your childrens Mothers and your children, you would not victimize your own race, or sell drugs to your kids, brothers, mothers or sisters. Your statements support the idea that in order to protect the community from your form of "Urban Terrorism", verified gang members should be locked in a cage for life.

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