Not A Time For Tears

The Tears of A President

A Time For Action

It is rare to see a President cry. I guess hearing of 20 children killed in their elementary school is enough.

And while such emotion is great and makes for good press, it is far from enough. What is necessary is action and legislation.

The shooting in Newtown is only one of a recent tide of shootings. It began in Tuscon, continued with the shooting of Trayvon Martin, reached the Midwest with the shootings in Wisconsin and Kansas City, and before Connecticut, we had the shooting in Portland, Oregon. These do not inculde the people killed each day on the streets of our large cities and small towns. More and more Americans are beginning to get tired of reading and hearing about the latest shooting; continuing a dialog that Bob Costas and Jason Whitlock started after Kansas City.

There's still the matter of the opposition, which seems to sound shrill and almost selfish. The NRA and it's allies insist that the issue isn't guns, and some say that the solution is more guns. As this discussion continues, the rhetoric from the NRA will shift towards the same paranoia that seems more and more to be their stock and trade.

But could the argument for some sort of regulation be found in the 2nd Amendment. It calls for a "well-regulated" militia.

Or course, the NRA does not have a reputation for giving ground.

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Jean Bakula 3 years ago from New Jersey

I think it's OK for a President to cry, especially Obama, who usually keeps his feelings to himself. I live in New Jersey, and have been seeing people throwing themselves into Chris Christies arms and crying, and he looks about to as well. But I agree we need more gun regulation, not more tears. It's not an election year, and I hope Obama takes on the NRA. We can't continue to have our children shot down. Teachers have to teach, they cannot face down armed maniacs at work.


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

It's odd how those who respond to bad people doing evil deeds with firearms automatically call for greater restrictions on the people who DIDN'T do anything wrong.

BTW... your understanding of a "well regulated miltia" is off. Find out what it meant in 17th century terms.


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vrbmft 3 years ago from Yucaipa, California

I think there is plenty of research that supports both more gun control and less gun control, but nevertheless interesting to look at the research. Our "logic" is often flawed when it comes to these horrific events. I think this person was hell bent on acting out on Friday and would have used whatever means was available.

I think the bottom line issue is our culture of violence which isn't necessarily related to guns or gun control. It is the violent mind set that we perpetrate and teach our kids. I catch myself all the time fantasizing about the guy in the car in front of me who cut me off losing control of his car around the next bend and dying! What's with that? I think each of us could, if we wanted, begin to look at the violence inside ourselves and then begin doing something about that.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

vr:

And where does that mindset come from?


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Smokes Angel 3 years ago from Broke Alabama

personally, I think we need to look more closely at our mental health issues... there are no state hospitals to help individuals like this... many have no health care and are left to defend themselves on the street... many parents have no help in cases like this one...


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Jean Bakula 3 years ago from New Jersey

Jack,

Why are you carrying an issue from another hub onto this one? My understanding of a well armed militia is a neigborhood under seige from a Gov't. making them do something they don't want. I never claimed to be an historian. I realize good people who hunt have guns, but too many bad people with homicidal tendencies can easily get them.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

My first thought- I find it hard to believe that President Obama was trying to make 'good press' or thinking it was a 'good emotion' during this horrific event. He is a parent. Plain and simple. You don't need to hear names, places, or circumstances- as a parent-you immediately just -feel.

'vrbmft' I hate to say it, but you are absolutely correct. As much as I would love to confiscate every weapon from every home-with a few exceptions- you are correct in saying he was hellbent in using whatever means... I also agree that we, as a society, have grown lax, desensitized, and disconnected from the tragedies of our fellow citizens. Not only the aforementioned, but also from the reality shows we call entertainment. What makes news? The bad girls and boys, the aggressive misfits that we love to hate. The people we would call 'bad' in the past are now called provocative and newsworthy. I'm not saying all of the above is collectively congruous to the event, but rather, reflects a good majority of our society. Someone commented, forgive me, I can't remember the user name- but spoke of mental health issues. They are too, in my opinion, correct. I taught as well as worked as a law enforcement officer- I couldn't believe how much money was allocated toward the judicial process- neglecting preventive measures within the Educational System, Parent Education, and Social Service Counseling. They were virtually ignored. I guess we need to fix a slue of things. All of our comments, values, and thoughts have merit but more importantly, we need to have this conversation in the background, for now the foreground should be the babies that died, the heroic teachers and principal that had lost their lives doing their job.


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

Jean... and just what "issue" did I carry over?

As noted... you're not a historian.

Yes, bad people do bad things. Yet, less that .001 percent of people who own guns do bad things with them. Why do the 99.999 percent who do no bad things with them have to pay the price?


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Jean Bakula 3 years ago from New Jersey

I thought the militia comment was directed to me. It's a complex issue, and generally I've been against guns. But when you s how statistics like that, I am not really sure what the solution is. We do have a society desensitized to violence, but I can't blame it on movies and TV, it doesn't seem like this in other countries. It seems to me guns are very dangerous, and easily get in the wrong hands. I may be wrong. Peace?


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

Jean: You are not wrong.

But Jack's argument sounds like the argument for Anarchy that many in the Gun Lobby and their allies use.

Check out http://www.csgv.org


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

TPC apparently has no idea what anarchy means. Oh well.

Jean... those of us who are part of the firearms community also do not want firearms to get into the "wrong hands." We have family out there in schools, in the malls and in theaters also. We don't love or care about them any less than people who are against firearms.

My father died because he was an alcoholic. My brother died (and took innocents with him) because he was an alcoholic. My other brother is ruining his life and will probably be dead in a year or two because of alcoholism.

What do you think the chances are I would like to see alcohol keep out the "hands of the wrong people"? But we as a country made that decision that freedom is sometimes messy, and those who abuse freedom may hurt themselves and other people. Nevertheless, freedom is freedom.

I amplfy this in my hub "Is the damage to society from the misuse of guns worth the freedom to have guns?" if you want to take a look at it.

There are no easy answers. We might get started by considering these words though...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/1...


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Jean Bakula 3 years ago from New Jersey

Hello Jack,

Well, you certainly explained that in terms I understand, I also grew up in an alcoholic family, and would have done mostly anything to keep the booze away from them. For me it was both parents, but my brother is still alive, with mental health issues, so like you, I know I'll be getting the phone call I don't want to get soon. Actually you have made me look at this from a new perspective, and I like that. I am sure that families with guns do not love their families any less. I do know how hard it is to watch someone hurt themselves, and be helpless to do anything about it. I will check out the link and think about this more. Prohitbition didn't keep liquor from anyone. And it seems like the problem is in the U.S. I don't know why we have so many angry people. I'm glad we talked about this. Take care.


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

Jean... life is so much easier when others make all the decisions for you. What to eat, what to wear, what you can watch on TV.

It's tough being an adult and trying to do this on your own. And what's even worse, watching your adult children really, really screw up their lives (and others) with bad decision. But they are not children anymore... and I can't make those decisions for them. No matter how badly it turns out.

Likewise, we as a society have chosen to acknowledge the freedom of the people in general to make their own decisions. Some of the people have horribly abused that freedom in many different ways that have hurt many innocents.... not just in this school, or in the theater in Colorado, or many other places.

The only alternative is to reduce freedom for all because of the actions of a very few people. I would prefer not to do this.

My maternal grandfather was killed by a gun carelessly used by one of his sons. My paternal grandfather committed suicide with his gun. My sister's husband committed suicide with his gun. By the time I was 21 I had had more guns pointed at me in robberies than most people see in several lifetimes.

I know up close and personal the damage that firearms can do to a family. Yet, my vote is in favor of freedom. Always and forever.


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Jean Bakula 3 years ago from New Jersey

You have a lot of passion for life, Jack, in spite of all the hard things it has brought your way. You make a good point about not taking away the freedom of everyone just because of a few, and obviously you have experience on this matter and do not take it lightly. I think in America everyone wants a quick fix to every problem, and there usually is not a quick fix for a problem once it gets so out of control. I hope cooler heads prevail, and the country can have some meaningful discussion. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have guards at schools, bullying is a big issue now in NJ, but as usual, now that it's acknowledged, they have gotten too extreme about what bullying is and what the consequences should be. People have to stop over reacting. Other generations faced harder lives than we do (I don't mean your and my personal problems), but maybe because they worked more hours and got out of the house more, they didn't have as much time to get into trouble. Be safe.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

Actually, 'Anarchy' may be the wrong word. But the basic idea is that "most people obey laws", so why have them.

I plan to tackle this as well as two other arguments that I see the absolutists that make up the Gun Lobby use in a future hub.


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

And I am sure you'll use lots of "wrong words" in those articles also. Since you even got your "basic idea" down wrong why should anything else be right, eh.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

And what might my 'basic idea' be?

I'll let you consult Beck, Limbuagh, LaPierre, etc even. . .


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

Hmmmm.... you just told us what "the basic idea" is two posts ago. Now you want ME to tell you what it is. Have you always suffered from this severe short term memory loos or is it a recent development?


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

It's called being busy--also, the idea took on some additional steps.

Give me two hours!

But the idea that "most people obey laws, so why have them" does seem to be a rationale that folks like the NRA, etc are trying to use.

Thankfully, people are starting to see through it; and it only took a sportscaster, a sportswriter, and 20 six-year olds to open eyes. . .

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