OBAMA'S WATERGATE??

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By: Wayne Brown


This week, the Department of Justice has made claims to Congress that documents to which the Committee On Government Oversight is seeking access to are protected under “executive privilege”. If this is true, President Obama is pursuing actions which make it quite clear that the “Fast & Furious” Operation carried out covertly by the ATF under direction of the Department of Justice is far more than it appears. In the same sense that the Watergate break-in was initially seen as a petty-ante burglary, “Fast & Furious” has been portrayed as simply a program which the DOJ implemented to identify movement of illegal weapons across the Mexico border. Unfortunately, that innocent little plan which led directly to the death of a Border Patrol agent may be far more than it has been portrayed.



The Congressional Oversight Committee has asked for documents outlining activities of the Fast & Furious project many times over. Until last week, the committee had been stone-walled by Holder and thus the threat of finding Mr. Holder in contempt was pronounced. As a result of the action to seek a contempt citation, President Obama has now stepped forward and declared, as did former President Richard Nixon in the Watergate Affair, that the documents are protected under executive privilege and thus cannot be viewed by the committee nor used in the pursuit of potential actions by the committee. The immediate response on the part of the committee was to indicate that the actions regarding contempt by Eric Holder will go forth as stated. Something tells me this will not satisfy the investigation into the project and a pursuit will continue to achieve the documents.



To date, Congress has been rather spineless in terms of taking the President to task on any of his actions. Some of the members on the right side of the aisle cite the potential low margin of success in any action due to the stalemate which currently exists in the legislative branch. Basically, they say that it is not worth the risk politically to pursue such actions. That was the attitude on presidential appointments without proper congressional approval and most recently it has been the attitude as the President employed executive order to alter the immigration laws established by Congress…an action he clearly does not have to power to execute under the Constitution and one which should be prosecuted in light of the potential violations of that document in terms of checks and balances. Such actions would be the “right” thing to do not the politically-prudent one. But those who populate Congress on both sides of the aisle do not have the moral fiber and courage to do what is right thus Obama plays yet another action aimed directly at the roots of this government and those we elect stand idly by.



Obviously the documents involved in Fast and Furious contain information which the President considers damaging if not criminal in nature. Otherwise, why take the stand just on principle. Nixon claimed that he was standing on principle in his rejections under executive privilege only to be exposed as the primary person directing the cover up process. In the case of Watergate, the crime itself was not so damning to the President but the cover-up and the aftermath of it became overwhelming. But that was a different time and Congress was more inclined to act at the time. Had the Congress backed down, Nixon would not have been exposed nor would he have resigned his term of office as the President. Obama is betting that with Harry Reid and Joe Biden pulling the strings in the Senate, there will not be enough momentum to raise the issue above the level of contempt. If he is correct in that assessment, the Fast & Furious issue stalls and is forgotten to history. At the same time, the actions of a sitting President and his Attorney General go unquestioned by the citizens of this country.



One might venture back to the case of Scooter Libby who worked in the Bush Administration and eventually took the fall for supposedly leaking information regarding the identity of a CIA spy and informant. Libby was convicted and did jail time as a result. Outside of the court system, it later came to light that the leak of the information actually came out of the State Department which was under the direction of Colin Powell at the time. Some speculate that Powell was aware of the leak and where it was coming from yet took no actions in notifying the President or the courts allowing Libby to be the fall guy. Here we have a case where “the right and decent thing” should have been done and it was not because the needs of cronyism and political expedience were better served.



The old adage, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” certainly comes to mind in the case of Fast & Furious, especially in light of the recent actions. Obama, driven by ego and self-adulation is not going to throw himself under the bus for Eric Holder or anyone else in his administration. This is a case of self-preservation and a move designed to keep damaging information from the public prior to the election process of 2012. No doubt, Obama’s fingerprints are all over Fast & Furious in such a way that it would be obvious that the intent of that particular project reached far beyond just identifying the movement of illegal weapons across borders. Certainly there was interest in completing that link but the true focus was aimed toward the rights of Americans to bear arms under the Constitution of the United States. Obama knows it and Holder knows it. Both of them know that documentation concerning that project can never see the light of day or the Obama Administration may find itself on the same path which the Nixon Administration followed in the aftermath of Watergate.



As I noted earlier, Obama is betting strongly that Congress will be held in check on the issue and he will have to endure a few questions in the media in order to dispense with the concerns. If Congress indeed tucks it tail between its legs and runs for political shelter, then the entire action will have served another purpose in confirming to Obama that he has no worry of checks and balances under the current government. With that knowledge and if he can win re-election, the bridle will be off in terms of using executive order to achieve anything he desires to change. His methodology for pushing forward a “fundamental transformation” of the country and the government will be complete and all the people of this country will ever see which hinted of it is a little smoke just over the horizon.



The people of this country deserve better. Obama held forth on the “transparency” which would be evident in his administration. The only thing which has been transparent thus far is his blatant disregard for the Constitution and the structure of government in terms of checks and balances. Compromise is not even in the man’s vocabulary because he does not believe he needs to do that to achieve all that he wants. A spineless and ineffective Congress is living proof that his conclusion is correct. If the President is able to use executive privilege to hide the facts behind Fast & Furious, he will have successfully pulled off a far greater crime than that which Nixon fathered under Watergate. There is no time better than the present for Congress to do the right thing and pursue this matter until committee requests are met. If that happens, you can bet there is ice on the walls of Hell.


©Copyright WBrown2012. All Rights Reserved.


20 June 2012


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Becky Katz profile image

Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Wonderfully worded and very intellectually correct reasonings. You always word these things to be so easy to understand. UAI and shared.


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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Does it matter to you that this was started by Mukasey under Bush? I mean....Obama adm carried on a Bush policy, then ended it.

What of the originators of the plan?

And, no points for ending it?


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teaches12345 4 years ago

Everything I learned in History and Sociology classes has been incorrect according to the present day government actions. It's baffling at how nothing is being accomplished and yet one person is making all the decisions.


Longhunter 4 years ago

LMC, do you know that Holder has now back off claims Fast & Furious was begun under Bush?

Great hub, Wayne.


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TToombs08 4 years ago from Somewhere between Heaven and Hell without a road map.

Awesome hub, Wayne. I was watching Fox & Cnn all morning and was trying to make sense of all the talking heads. Your hub cleared it up for me in under 5 minutes. Thank you. This should be very interesting to watch as it plays out.

Voted up and more!


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Keith Engel 4 years ago from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

@Lovemychris,

There is a key difference, the Bush Admin actually informed the Mexican Government about what they were actually doing and tried to work with them in doing all this. This has been documented, and if I remember correctly, there were a couple of instances were the Mexican Authorities were no shows to stop the matter concerning the gun traffickers. It was after instances of these taking place that once more I believe that the DOJ under Bush eventually stopped doing this due to the corrupt Mexican government and police.

Or is this selective memory on your part?

Good Hub Wayne BTW.


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drbj 4 years ago from south Florida

How I hope, Wayne, that the truths behind Fast and Furious come to light before the election. Or there will be no end to 'executive orders.' Thank you for this literate and well-written explanation of events to date.


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@Becky Katz...Thanks much! WB

@lovemychris...From what I read the earlier operations starting as far back as 2006 under the "Gunrunner Operation" were small and short lived and involved less than 700 guns. The planning for Fast & Furious did not take place until October 2009 and was implemented after that point. Whistle blowers say that operation involved more than 2000 guns but I do not know whether that included the number from earlier operations. I am not defending earlier actions or this one for that matter. I am simply making the point that we have an operation here that has created an investigation due in part to the death of a border patrol agent. Congress had asked for information and even filed writs to acquire it only to be stymied and stalled by DOJ. Holder has run out of options and now Obama steps in with executive privilege. In either this case or Watergate, I see no reason that the President can withhold that information short of declaring that it will gravely threaten the welfare of the USA. There is something that is not forthcoming here and I believe it amounts to far more than just the Attorney General letting some operation get out of hand. Those in the field, through their own testimony, knew that things were running afoul and said so...they were basically ordered to back-off and shutup. I certainly will give due credit for stopping the process if that indeed was the case but it looks like to me the whistle-blowers are the ones who finally brought it into the light enough that it had to be stopped. Obama is looking for a standoff here and counting on it. If Congress backs off, then we may as well do away with being concerned about any wrongdoing in the future for there will be no methodology in place to make the determination. Thanks for the comment, LMC! WB

@teaches12345...Two things are driving what you see...long-term ignorance and sheer public apathy. Both have been evident for so long that it is easy for politicians to assume they can get away with anything. We are finally down to the point where the "anything" happens to be our rights and protection under the Constitution. That document and its guiding principles are the last barrier we have to the federal government becoming the center of the universe. Thanks much. WB

@Longhunter...I believe Holder would like to have everyone believe that all the early operations which took place as far back as 2006 all fall under the umbrella of Fast & Furious. While there are similarities, Fast & Furious did not become an operation until after the planning sessions for it held in Oct 2009. Thanks much for the comment, LH. WB

@TToombs08...If you were old enough back in the Watergate Era, you could find plenty folks around who want to blow the whole thing off as a petty burglary and be done with it. Had it not been pursued, many things might have taken on a different outcome. From a conservative perspective, I certainly did not want to see Nixon take the fall but, at the same time, I also believe that if something had occurred which was in violation of our laws, then the responsible parties had to ante up. Eventually, that party became as he was the last in line hiding behind everything he could find to throw in the way. His crime was not so much the break-in as it was the stupidity and the methods employed to cover up his ties to the break-in. Thanks for th good words. WB


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

I just read that Holder was charged with contempt.


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@Keith Engel...Good points, thanks much, Keith. WB

@drbj...My guess is there is not enough backbone in Congress to get it done by the election, if at all. I would call the Republicans "inept and remiss in their duties" but that is such a poor description which does not do adequate duty to describing their performance of late. Let's just see how long the issue stays on the table. My guess is, if it does, Obama will create a distraction which immediately shifts the attention of the press and reduces the spotlight on F&F. Those in Congress have no skills at bringing the discussion back to where it belongs thus we are right back to "never waste a good disaster". Thanks for the good words, Doc. WB

@Becky Katz...There is a symbolism there but it accomplishes little. Obama will not fire Holder because Holder will then become a loose cannon on the media circuit...can't have that. Thanks, Becky. WB


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

This hub is outstanding......I am mass-emailing to my 200 buddies who will read with fervor! (I don't belong to any social media sites)

Politically speaking, you are so brilliant.......Such a shame you and a thousand like you do not run our country.

Put another way...if you weren't such a good, honest and moral man....you'd be damned dangerous......!! UP +++


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@fpherj48...I am a pretty good scrounger too when it comes to finding things. One lady asked if I worked for the CIA...she said that would not want me looking for her! LOL! Glad you are going to share. Look for a new distraction very quickly...Obama cannot ride this pony long. Thanks so very much. WB


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

Just a footnote here...some have surmised that the desire to cover this situation up is that part of the documents sought contain communications of a political bias which would be damaging to the President as he seeks re-election. The basis for shutting down this access runs far deeper and much broader than just political damage. Ask yourself how many Americans consider the oil leak scenario in the Gulf as a damaging aspect of re-election for Obama? If this were just a botched operation or an operation which got out of hand and went rogue, the strateg would be to put the facts on the table and then claim limited knowledge. That is not the case...the facts cannot get to the table which indicates that there is much to be drawn from the facts which run much more deeply and political complication. This is a smoking gun, plain and simple. WB


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Bob Zermop 4 years ago from California, USA

Good hub. I've heard of Fast and Furious, but this is a nice additional perspective to get. I don't think Obama as evil and cunning as you make him out to be, but this does give me pause in reconsidering my view of our POTUS. Transparency was the one thing I was hoping for, but looks like that's a no too.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

Excellent hub.....and I really believe that Obama is once again showing his ability (or lack of) to lead.

There has got to be a "cover-up" or sheer ignorancy...either way. It is NOT a good thing for this administration.

It is going to be interesting just how the Main Stream Media will try to spin, twist and turn this one.


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@Bob Zermop...I certainly do not like believing that our president is evil and cunning but he is the one who has portrayed himself of higher intelligence thus, looking at his past, his people associations and those he surrounds himself with, I can only conclude that there is something beyond what it appears on the surface. The obvious lack of transparency in light of the promises of it are certainly a good indicator. Thanks much for the good comment. WB

@CMerritt....The spin has already begun in some areas of the media...one news source began referring to it yesterday as a "witch-hunt" on the part of the committee. Bush employed this method in 2001 with regard to an FBI probe that used wire taps I believe. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. The intent of executive privilege rises to a much higher level in terms of national security and the safety of the nation. Personal and political protection of a sitting president do not rise to that occasion. Unfortunately, the chair of this committee will spend more time on the hot seat than Eric Holder. Holder offered to provide all the requested documents but only if the investigation was stopped immediately upon receipt of them. He has already perjured himself in committee testimony. There is no question that Congress has broad powers (and should have) under the Constitution when it comes to investigating actions of those who populate our government. To defy that power and thumb one's nose at the Congress is to spit in the face of the American public. Thanks much, Chris. WB


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Peggy W 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

The old saying...where there is smoke, there is fire...stands. This entire thing smells fishy and using "executive privilege” to dampen the smoke makes it even more fishy. That, and of course the bigger issue of constitutional rights, makes this "Fast and Furious" operation of great importance.

I agree with you regarding Nixon. If he had not gotten entwined in the cover-up of that breakin, he would undoubtedly have retained his Presidency. That was just plain stupid!

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Do our congressional members have enough spine to do things right? We shall see...


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breakfastpop 4 years ago

What's the problem. Produce the documents. Then again if you have lots to hide, stall just the way you are doing. Up interesting, useful and awesome.


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Angela Blair 4 years ago from Central Texas

Wayne -- thanks for being so clear on this. I thought I was following it properly but you explained a few things I was hazy on. Reminds me of the old hack "Something's fishy -- sister's home from college!" This whole thing is way too fishy not to smell -- can only hope "executive privilege" doesn't win out here -- if it does...oh, well...the American public has been scammed again by this administration. Best/Sis


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@Peggy W...The big difference here is that you will find very few in the media willing to go after Obama which was just the opposite with Nixon. With Watergate, the media refused to let the story die. When Obama stumbles, the story seems to become a "non-story" rather rapidly. Thanks, Peggy. WB

@breakfastpop...Those documents will be filed with the birth certificate and the college transcripts...you can bet on that. If we are lucky, we won't see Holder appointed to the Supreme Court at some future date by Obama. What a trainwreck that would be. Thank, Poppy. WB

@Angela Blair...You hit the nail on the head there, Sis...the media already would like to label this a Congressional "Witch-Hunt" and sweep it under the rug before it damages their darling. There was a day when the media owed its allegiance to no one and only cared for the facts and details....how much things have changed for the worse. So much for a "free press". WB


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Steel Engineer 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine

It is all a show. If you read foreign papers, they often announce meetings AND the result of those meetings before American press even let on that a discussion for a meeting will take place.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

I have been watching and waiting Wayne! Excellent hub! Many people are not paying attention to this scandal. It needs to be out there. voted up!


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@Steel Engineer...Very true...I don't think there are very many reporters out there anymore who know how to scrounge information...they simply repeat it in whatever manner sounds best to them. Thanks much. WB

@American Romance...Maybe this one stinks a little too much to die the rapid deaths that other Obama issues have suffered...sooner or later something has to stick. This one has a lot of merit. Thanks AR! WB


Deb Welch 4 years ago

It was all news to me. Your Hub explained it fully. Fishy was the first word that came to my mind when Mr. Obama used his Executive Privilege for the first time in office. Nixon"s Watergate - the movie - All The President's Men and the website - www.liddyshow.com - Gordon Liddy. Hopefully it will all come out by November. Awesome, Useful, Interesting.


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@Deb Welch...Obama has been the most manipulative president since the days of Nixon and Clinton. Some believe that the committe simply wants to nail Holder and get him out of the DOJ. That equation does not compute as he would simply be replaced with someone of the same ilk...desiring to build a socialist state. No, Obama is in this situation because the information in those documents will be damaging to him...possibly allowing the "real Obama" to show his face in public. There is more than smoke here. Thanks, Deb. WB


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Howie Watts 4 years ago

Well said!!! Let's hope that Issa continues to show the tenacity that he has thus far and that the "truth" comes out. If for no other reason...at least for the Terry family. I, just as you, have my doubts as to whether they have the fortitude to carry on and doubt even further if they will be able to expose the cover up by election time. Just one point I would add about the comment by one of your readers that this operation started under the Bush administration. The Bush administration started the practice of "gun walking" for sure. Their operation was named Operation Wide Receiver. Operation Fast and Furious was not planned and set into motion until 2009, just as Wayne points out above. The difference is that in Wide Receiver all of the guns were fitted with a tracking device that led the ATF directly to their destination. When the cartels figured this out and started to run interference....the operation was ended without any of the guns ending up permanately in the wrong hands. With Fast and Furious, none of the guns were fitted with tracking devices and almost two thousand weapons went missing, one of which was used to murder border patrol agent Brian Terry. This investigation however, is more than just about a botched gun walking operation. It is jsut as much about lies, and leaks and cover ups coming from deep within this administration. Keep spreading the truth Wayne, as will I.


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@Howie Watts.... Thank you for the support and the great comments. WB


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

This all hinges on one piece of information that could easily be supplied by Holder, if both he and the President had nothing to do with it:

Who authorized Fast and Furious?

That is the question that Holder refuses to answer and that is the question that provoked Obama to invoke executive privilege.

My guess is that these two blatant Second Amendment haters have their fingerprints all over Fast and Furious.

To those who wonder what this is all about:

Fast and furious was this administration's attempt to frame gun dealers in the border states, and especially in Arizona.


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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

That's not what I heard...where do you get your info? This is what it's all about: A partisan witch-hunt, just like Whitewater, and Lewinsky before it. For IF they cared about gun-running,they would call Mukasey to the stand, as he allegedly got a memo referring to it under his watch. AND they would call the ATF officers to the stand if they wanted real answers....but you know they don't!

It's partisan politics.

Who was charged with contempt when Bush used EP 6 times? Anyone? Dint think so.

(ps--I have read for years that Hilary Clinton and another man are the ones who designed FF--you know, Hilary: the Dem all the righty's seem to love now)


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

If they did nothing wrong, why not come clean? Why invoke executive privilege if here's nothing to hide?

Fast and Furious was intended to create smear allegations against gun dealers in border states, chiefly in Arizona. Both Holder and Obama are known gun haters, looking for a way to ban them.

BTW, I get my info from watching Holder squirm and lie.


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@lovemychris....If you are counting, Clinton employed it 14 times. No doubt the method has been abused over the years. As for Mukasey, there were approximately 700 guns involved in the original "Gun Runner" program and all were equipped with tracking devices and accounted for. Mukasey was not involved in the planning of "Fast & Furious" as that did not take place until late 2009 and ultimately ended with the loss of over 2000 firearms and the death of a Border Patrol agent. Holder has been asked over and over who gave the word to proceed with F&F only to dodge the question. Now it seems he is willing to turn over the requested documents but only if the investigation is closed at the moment those documents are received. That does not sound like a witch-hunt to me, it sounds more like a dodge and weave with the hope of covering things up. You can bet that if the individual approving F&F were under Holder's supervision, they would already be under the bus if it would take the heat off of him. This does not go down, it goes up, way up and it has everything to do with undermining the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans...much more so that identifying gun smugglers. You can be sure that along with "who" would be clear if the documents were turned over to the committee. No one is demanding public disclosure here but Congress has every right to investigate a program which got out of hand and killed a government employee and hundreds of innocent civilians across the Mexican border. Whether Hilary was involved is a toss of the coin. I really do not think that the resistance shown is there to just protect her...I believe it is much more damaging and will not rest solely with the State Department. This is not a partisan issue...this is a Congressional committee carrying out due process in order to get answers about a trainwreck project that caused the death. Thanks for the comments, LMC. WB


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@WillStarr...Points are dead-on Will...No one wants to answer that question and the opportunites to do so have been numerous. The point of this piece is not to say that Obama cannot employ EP if he so desires. It is a method that has been used by almost every president and multiple times by many on both sides of the aisle over the course of their tenure. My point here is this, Nixon used it just like others have but it became the lodestone which eventually brought him down. That is the focus here...will the use of EP by Obama achieve the desired goal or will it be just one more step which questions the credibility of the argument not only with the committe but also the American people. For Obama, like Nixon, this could be the Achilles Heel. To label a legitimate duty of Congress nothing more than a "witch-hunt" is to selectively decide the legitimacy of when that duty should be acted upon. I don't care who is in the White House at the time. Congress has a duty and it is the responsibility of the head of the committee to make every effort to investigate as thoroughly as possible then report his/her finds to the Congress. If that can be circumvented by simply claiming executive privilege, by assigning labels, or by firing people, then our process of checks and balances is in pretty poor shape. WB


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@WillStarr...Points are dead-on Will...No one wants to answer that question and the opportunites to do so have been numerous. The point of this piece is not to say that Obama cannot employ EP if he so desires. It is a method that has been used by almost every president and multiple times by many on both sides of the aisle over the course of their tenure. My point here is this, Nixon used it just like others have but it became the lodestone which eventually brought him down. That is the focus here...will the use of EP by Obama achieve the desired goal or will it be just one more step which questions the credibility of the argument not only with the committe but also the American people. For Obama, like Nixon, this could be the Achilles Heel. To label a legitimate duty of Congress nothing more than a "witch-hunt" is to selectively decide the legitimacy of when that duty should be acted upon. I don't care who is in the White House at the time. Congress has a duty and it is the responsibility of the head of the committee to make every effort to investigate as thoroughly as possible then report his/her finds to the Congress. If that can be circumvented by simply claiming executive privilege, by assigning labels, or by firing people, then our process of checks and balances is in pretty poor shape. WB


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50 Caliber 4 years ago from Arizona

Wayne, excellent job of reporting the facts of overlap in the two scandals to America. This is one that blanket emails to congress demanding follow up action from all of congress. Make a list of email contact of every congress member of every state form letter and send them, the more the merrier.

Boner is soft, he should be acting loudly and aggressively here, no mercy!

Impeachment is our salvation, I will believe this was action to destroy the second amendment so the enslavement of the sheep can continue to martial law and FEMA camps.

Thank you for this piece, I'll be forwarding it far and wide,

Peace,

dust


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@50 Caliber...Thanks, Dusty. This scenario smells worse than a barrel of dead fish...and stinks far more on the front end than even Watergate. These folks are dead serious about doing anything they can to take away our rights in every area. By the time many figure this out, it will be much too late to remedy the situation. I hope we can see Congress continue to pursue action on this case. WB


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50 Caliber 4 years ago from Arizona

Wayne, I just forward an e-mail to you, it's harsh and its wording as is calling for a revolution. While all this mess is going on with Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton is enjoying the cover of a smokescreen, as she is working to get the United States signed up for an international treaty banning firearms. The way it's laid out it will bypass Congress and our checks and balance system, to my understanding. I've had my eye on this since the I believe it was 1992 the assault weapons ban that had a sunset clause that cost most congresses job. I also believe at the time if my memory serves me correctly President Clinton had actually signed that treaty. And at that time it had to be voted on by Congress. I don't know if any of that actually changed, that the ratification of that treaty has to come to Congress. I'll see anything in the news about what Hillary is doing, since we get so many birds flying in the air and there is only one legal one the shoot we can't find it.

Anyway, I sent that e-mail to you, to let you have a good look at it. It may have the basis of a good article to be written and if there's meat to it I believe you're the guy to write. Two years ago, I wrote a doomsday article on the death of our Republic. The scenarios I laid out, is not the way the game is played out. But I do believe if something isn't done, our Republic is going to die, without America's knowledge they'll just look up and it'll be gone.

I believe that this Republic has reached an age where the reset button needs pushed. I believe it was Jefferson who stated from time to time the tree of liberty needs to be re-wet with the blood of tyrants.

Be in a grouchy old man, I won't have a whole lot of time to endure it, so my fear lies with the coming generations.

Having just found I'm going to be a grandfather with two grandsons before Christmas, one from each of my girls. That in itself, inspires me to do as much as I can by ballot, and letters to the federal level Senate of every state not just Arizona. The beauty of the Internet, allows us to search out e-mail addresses for all the states all the senators Democrat or Republican, and then create a mailing list and write letters and then send them out as form letters.

I believe if everybody did that, that they'd have to start listening or the answer to what it is that needs to be done will become clear as glass.

May the blessings be,

dust


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas Author

@50 Caliber...Dusty, I have heard for a long time that this is how Obama intends on getting the arms control that he wants. You can bet that the lid will stay tight on it until after November. If it is a legitimate treaty then it must go to the Senate I believe and pass by a 3/4 approval ratio. We'll see how fools are left over there after November that will hang their neck out that far. If he intends to try and implement a treaty without approval of the Senate and he is not challenged, then you can kiss your republic goodbye for the next step will be to go door to door and pickup the guns. You can look for his minnions to cause plenty of trouble between now and November...primarily the OWS which will escalate their acts of violence in the streets until it appears to be unmanageable...that becomes the platform for the treaty agreement and the argument the becomes that of a national emergency declared by the President and his response is to approve the treaty without the consent of Congress...much like going against the grain with the War Powers Act on the basis of urgency. Remember, Obama always tries to get what he wants on the basis of urgency. I will look for the email. Thanks Dusty. WB

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