Obamaland - Truth - Welfare - Illegals

Only in Obamaland do politicians like Little Dickie Durbin (D-IL) claim with a straight face that the many illegal aliens in this country right now, in his own words, tells us “undocumented immigrants can’t collect welfare." First I have to assume that Illinois is a part of the United states and then assume that it is on this planet. I'm not sure if Little Dickie lives on this planet but I know that somehow the people of Illinois keep sending this brand of pathological, lying politician to Washington over and over again.

He and his little Gang of 8 were telling so many lies that Geppetto had to hire a slew of illegals just to keep up the the nose enlargements needed for that small band of misguided vote buyers. There weren't enough Pinocchio's for the Washington news rags to hand out. Now you folks who live and vote in Illinois need to pay close attention to what your senator is capable of saying in order to get you to keep reelecting him. He's due up in 2014 and you could do the nation, and your state, proud by giving him the boot.

The problem is that it is a known fact, among intelligent Americans, that illegals are soaking federal and state social services like a milking machine. They even hand out pamphlets telling new illegal arrivals how to game the system. Of course Little Dickie might want to explain this little incident in the video.

Wild huh? Little Dickie Durbin and others need to stop being amnesty pimps in the hopes of gaining more voters to enhance their corrupt ways. Here we have an illegal alien, out on bond for another drug charge, king penning a major heroin operation. Why is he still in this country? I'm waiting for an answer from Barack Obama and his Homeland Insecurity folks but it has been a while.

While collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars peddling death you would figure the guy could at least pay for his own groceries. Figure otherwise. He was collecting $900 in government money, That would be your money, and living high on the American hog. Now I want Little Dickie Durbin to explain just how he does that since Dickie says he can't do it. I'm sure all this was just a big misunderstanding I reckon?

Then we have the new Homeland Security head Jeh Johnson, who shouldn't be a lavatory attendant, telling us via the US Conference of Mayors that the approximately 11 million illegal aliens in this country have "earned the right to be citizens." Which part of "illegal aliens" is escaping this bureaucratic moron? Or is he just parroting his illegal alien boss?


The best way to get the leeches to come out where we can see them is to allow the INS to do their jobs to the letter of the present law.

Here's Johnson's shtick, “It is also, frankly, in my judgment, a matter of who we are as Americans to offer the opportunity to those who want to be citizens, who’ve earned the right to be citizens, who are present in this country--many of whom came here as children--to have the opportunity that we all have to try to become American citizens.” Since when does being present in this nation earn you any right to become a citizen. If you came here illegally then you broke the law to get here and remain here. If your parents brought you here then take up your beef with them, not the people who are natural born citizens or came here legally.

Obviously the head of the DHS has poor judgement. His office requires that he enforce this nation's immigration laws and not ignore them as his boss Obama has dictated to him. The role of the executive branch is to enforce this nation''s laws and not to become lawless like we are seeing now.

It isn't often I advocate a left turn but this is one instance when we need to go to the left when we encounter this sign. We have many millions and millions of unemployed American citizens that need relief before we give some class of criminals amnesty who broke the law to come here. This left wing administration doesn't make the least bit of sense with some of its dialogue.

At that conference of mayors Johnson threw out this rationale, “Comprehensive immigration reform would also promote a more effective and efficient system for enforcing our immigration laws, and should include an earned path to citizenship for the approximately 11-and-a-half-million undocumented immigrants present in this country, something like 86% of whom have been here almost 10 years,”

Okay so now we're down to the longevity of the people who are law breakers? 86% of them have been soaking up the bennies for how long? My question to Johnson and Obama is, "In that amount of time why haven't they been rounded up and deported as the present law requires?" So instead of doing the job the US Constitution requires one to do along with associated laws on the books you want to change the laws to suit your political needs?

Border Fences Aren't The Answer

Obama suggested moats and alligators facetiously down in El Paso but he might be on to something. Maybe double barrier fencing with land mines might be the ticket. The solution isn't to grant amnesty like Reagan did back in 1986.

According to DHS itself there are 11.5 million illegals here so what kind of revolving door are we operating? I suggest to you that is a low figure. This isn't about a racial issue or racism this is about adhering and enforcing the law. This is about coming to this country LEGALLY and there are long lines of people waiting to do just that. So instead we are proposing to reward those who broke the line, the law and our borders to invade our nation illegally. It needs to now be about justice, securing the borders and deportation so they can make that left turn to the back of the line.

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As Always,

The Frog Prince

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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Little Dickie Durbin, do you mean Dickie Turban Durbin? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/RichardNixo...


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Yep! That's the same idiot.


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

I knew him when he was just a clown http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5EXj-OigQW0/SkhlyyuSvCI/...


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona

Jim, with this hub you again demonstrate the urgent need to replace many of those in office today with some fresh minds. These professional crooks who currently occupy the chairs in Congress only work at one thing and that is keeping their own butts in those chairs. They will do whatever it takes to keep that seat that fattens their own bank accounts regardless of the damage they cause for we lowly citizens.

I would hope that at least a few of the voters have taken notice of these actions, lies, and blatant corruption and vote accordingly in the next elections.


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Ericdierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Why did my wife work so hard and spend so much money and time to become a legal immigrant and was so happy to burn her old passport?

Why did we have a child here named in his native tongue "My San" which means American Saint? Why am I about to pay 30% of my income to my nation?

I love this place but it is getting harder.


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CarolAnnHeadrick 2 years ago

If amnesty passes, every future conservative vote will be in vain. We'll be living in the socialist states of America with more of our income squeezed out in taxes. This has become a mind game and a game of words. Obama will just call conservatives extremists, greedy, mean and the party of no. Libs will turn the debate on freedom to the right of workers to earn $10/hr. Conservatives have to steer the dialog despite a media working against us.


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Mark Lees 2 years ago

Successive studies in America have shown that illegal immigrants are more likely to pay tax than use public services.

Aviva Chomsky states: "Early studies in California and in the Southwest and in the Southeast...have come to the same conclusions. Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. illegal immigrants aren't eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of."

Undocumented immigrants can't claim benefits because nobody knows who they are. The drug dealer before is an illegal immigrant but he is documented - he is in the legal system. Illegal immigrants can only claim when they are inside part of the system - usually while waiting to find out if they are going to be deported.

The argument that Obama is being too soft is also flawed as by 2011 the Obama administration had overseen more illegals being deported than the entire George.W Presidency period.

Getting worked up about immigration is just a way to distract people from other problems.


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mack - So give us some links rather than your wrong headed opinion. We'll trade links as to how much illegals cost the tax payers. They have just about bankrupted California. Try doing some research rather than beat your useless gums in vein.

Which part of ILLEGAL do you fail to understand?

TFP


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breakfastpop 2 years ago

Illegals gaining citizenship in one fell amnesty swoop means the Dems will run the nation forever. Up, interesting, useful and awesome.


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Mark Lees 2 years ago

http://www.cfr.org/immigration/economic-logic-ille...

Full report: www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/ImmigrationCSR26.pdf‎

http://immigrationimpact.com/2009/12/02/new-report...

Even the Cato Institute get in on the act : http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/immigr...

I could get more but I have better things to do with my time than prove points to people who ignore facts in order to take a small minded, ideoligical position.

I had included easily verifiable information in my original post such as: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20...

You came up with an estimate on the number of illegals and then proceeded to say it was bad providing no links at all either, Mr Gum Gnasher.

I understand what illegal means, but seeing as anybody who has ancestors who arrived in America between 1790 and 1924 had ancestors who would be illegal by todays standards it displays that immigration laws are largely arbitrary.


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CarolAnnHeadrick 2 years ago

"... The U.S. Department of Agriculture that manages the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), more commonly known as food stamps, is enlisting the aid of the government of Mexico in its quest to seek out new candidates for this already much abused entitlement."

Obama must feel the need to give away his Obama stash and actually advertise SNAP in another country!


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Mark Lees 2 years ago

An agreement signed in 2004 under the Bush administration. Not something that can be blamed on Obama and it is only for Mexicans already in America who qualify. Immigrants without a Green Card do not qualify for Snap and even those that do have to be in America for five years before they qualify (the exception being asylum seekers and refugees - both of which are documented and legal until their application is rejected).

http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/prog...


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Frog, tell me if I'm wrong but I didn't find anything in all those links about studies that have shown "illegal immigrants are more likely to pay tax than use public services." Were you asking for details about "Successive studies in America"? You should know better. Libs need not back up anything they say with evidence, usually because if the sources can be identified it would be obvious the studies are not objective but just left wing propaganda put out there for lefties to have something to glum onto besides just talking points. Interesting too to see a pro amnesty shill trying to support Obama by belittling Bush, gee that's new.


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someonewhoknows 2 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

There have been times in American history when certain groups of people have been given entry into the united states for private political reasons rather than the best interests of the nation.

Operation "paperclip" at the end of world war two where thousands of German military personal consisting of scientists who performed experiments on human subjects even after they came here on American citizens who had no say in the matter and former S.S. officers and others who should never have been given immigrant status.


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Mark Lees 2 years ago

I have not belittled Bush, I pointed out a policy attributed to Obama was initiated in 2004.

I will provide some more links, but the first post mentioned from a quote several of the studies.

http://www.urban.org/publications/305184.html#V

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration...

So far one person has provided any evidence (me).

And one of the links I provided was from the Koch brothers propaganda machine - nothing even slightly left wing about that.


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tsadjatko - Mark seems to have a collection of egghead, like himself obviously, studies there that don't prove what he said at all. Here are some links he nees to read that contain actual FACTS and not egghead studies. He does a good job at flailing his gums though. No one, including Mark, knows the true number of illegals here. He doesn't seem to understand, and uses a ridiculous analogy of people who settled this nation, that like illegals they had broken the law to be here. He's a nutjob evidently.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/the_costs_of_illega...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-c...

http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-...

I could go on and on for Lil Mark the Gum Wagger's benefit but he can Google the "cost of illegal immigration" and start reading. The second thing The Lil Gum Beater did was change the subject to Bush. I reckon all this is his fault too?

Mark the Snark hasn't offered anything more than people's opinions and like him they are a dime a dozen. Studies? By whom? Just "study" the situation in California Markie boy then come back and humbly apologize to the more educated above you.

The facts are presented by this Hub relate to a heroin drug king pen drawing welfare benefits. You make up some details that aren't there to support your disclaimer. He was out on bond, a known illegal and was still here in this country. That's FACT son. Jeh Johnson said what he said. Those are FACTS son. There are millions of people waiting LEGALLY to come here as they should and anywhere from 11.5 million people up, depending on which "study" one uses, who are here ILLEGALLY and ILLEGAL means our laws were broken to be here. Get it Mark the Gum Gnasher?

CYA

The Frog


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

More links for Lil Markie.

http://www.fairus.org/action/cost-of-illegal-immig...

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/USCostStudy_2010.p...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/amnesty-for...

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory...

He might want to actually READ the links HE IS POSTING AS factual.

He probably still believes that if you like your health insurance policy you can keep it. LMAO.

The Frog


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Shhhh, Frog there are 30 some percent of the public who still must think they can keep their plan if you believe Obama's popularity polls, just like 50+% of millennials don't know they have til March to sign up for Obamacare. Ya think it will work?


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FitnezzJim 2 years ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

Silly me, I still like to go to *.gov sites to get data. The interpretations they offer in their summary reports vary from one administration to the next, but the data is usually good. Are there any government sites that share data regarding number of people receiving money illegally?

News sites of both the left and right tend to be biased in their presentations.


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Mark Lees 2 years ago

One study there Mr Gum Meister. One, from a right wing think tank which distorts the facts. A collection of OPINION pieces. Well done for disproving me. I sent you a link to a study, plus opinion pieces, but rather than links purely from journalists I sent you links to academics and used quotes from people who study the issues.

I also recognise the difference between documented immigrants and undocumented immigrants. The later cannot claim anything and they pay into the system using false social security numbers (so they can pay in, but try taking out with false number).

The point about legal/illegal immigration was that the rules are arbitrary and don't change the nature of the immigration very much in real terms.

The point about the heroin dealer is that he is documented because he is in the legal system, whether he ultimately gets booted out of America or not. But most hispanic immigrants, even those that enter illegally, actually end up with a green card and are allowed in.

I mentioned Bush because of a direct quote against Obama which related to a policy Bush bought in. Of course, when I present the evidence of that I am then changing the subject.

All of your sources are right wing propaganda and fail to differentiate between different types of immigrant. The immigrants who take the majority of the benefits are refugees and asylum seekers who are in the US legally. Illegal immigrants take almost no benefits because they don't qualify for any.

The problems in California are largely caused by legal immigrants which account for around 80% of the immigrants there. And even the one study you have posted admits that the actual cost of the illegal immigrants is mainly made up in the cost of their American children - the money is spent on legal citizens of America.

And here is an article about the CIS, an organistation created by rascists to push their agenda, which highlights why their "research" is not to be trusted. But even their biased research suggests that illegal immigrants have very low usage of benefits.

So in fact your own argument is undermined by your own research. Fairus is another anti-immigration right wing group.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration...

Here is another link for you which shows the benefits and how exactly the amnesty will work- a ten year wait is not exactly letting them all in right away, is it?

Insult me all you want Frog Prince (apt, as frogs don't have teeth so you can gum on whatever you want) but the facts speak for themselves and the only way to get the information that suits your agenda (and the agenda of groups like Fairus and the CIS) is to distort the information or apply heavy rhetoric to the interpretations.


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mark - If facts speak for themselves try using them and then stay on topic when you do. Get it now?


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Mark Lees 2 years ago

Hahahaha, your funny.

I have used facts and statistics and a reasoned argument. And the topic is illegal immigration which you have barely touched on. Get it now?

Another article from the Republican backing Cato institute (neo-liberal, but then so are the "conservative" Republican party).

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serial...

http://3.innermostparts.org/tag/steven-camarota/

And the link about the CIS which I meant to include in the comment above:

http://www.splcenter.org/publications/the-nativist...

and others showing racially motivated policy advice:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/center-immig...

http://www.hispanicvista.com/hvc/Columnist/posiojr...

I know these are not the highest quality proofs but they do suggest that a crazy racist set up your only actual source of evidence (and even that doesn't fully support your argument).


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

This article isn't about what you seem to be wanting to make it into Mark. Now understand something very clearly son. Stay on topic. If you desire to refute anything I presented then do that and nothing more. This isn't about what illegals are, or are not, costing the tax payers of this nation, one of them you probably are not one of. This is about illegal aliens receiving welfare benefits and it is a known fact that is happening. I suggest you WATCH and LISTEN to the video I posted and what the Polk County sheriff said - word for word son. Then if you want to dispute his FACTS we will listen. Then you can find the speech Jeh Johnson made to the mayors and listen to that - word for word.

All the events I depicted here are FACTUAL Mark and not left wing fantasy. I present facts and you have a problem evidently accepting them. You are the typical liberal progressive who wants instead to do the smoke and mirrors routine of look over here. I will only tolerate your conduct for so long and you are right at my tolerance point.

Your "reasoned argument" has not one thing to do with the subject here.

If you want to write nonsense and spout fairy tale studies then do so elsewhere and not here. Do you understand that now son?

The Frog


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

You are done Mark. I don't care what the vast majority of illegals do or do not get. They are here illegally and according to little Dickie Durbin they are not allowed to get one dime. They do son. You are now arguing with yourself so save your key strokes. You went all around the actual subject here and are either blind to doing that or are dumber than a box of rocks in Omaha.


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

So Mark, I guess you figure the messiah riding a unicorn while bringing rainbows of glad tidings isn't a parody but is a real depiction? lol Seems like that's what you'd have us believe.


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tsadjatko - I'm not sure Mark understands after all his nonsensical writing that he is talking to himself.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Why do we need 11,000,000 more uneducated, unskilled, illiterate, dependent citizens in the US?

There's only one reason...they will note for Democrats.


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Will - And at the same time continue to be a drain on society.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Exactly. It's to please Latinos at the expense of the taxpayers.


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

All I can say is some people still believe that Obama rides white unicorns and came on the scene to right wrongs and help the oppressed. That's the rose colored glasses view while we have illegals here who authorities know are illegals and the laws are unenforced. Raid Pelosi's vineyards and see what you find.


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FitnezzJim 2 years ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

Sour grapes?


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poetryman6969 2 years ago

Washington DC commits treason against legal citizens every day. There should either be 20 million criminal aliens deported right now or every politician and elected official in Washington DC should be impeached and sent to Guantanamo tomorrow.


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

You know the first thing politicians will say to that is "how can we deport 20 million illegals? It's not doable." Of course almost anything is doable but the politicians are predisposed to claiming impossible when it is something they just don't want to do.

If we enforced our present laws and really made it illegal to hire illegals or for them to live off the government dole here all 20 million would self deport, and it wouldn't take long as they need to make a living. If they came over the border to get here they'll go back the way they came and we can make it easy for them to do that at the border. We don't have to find them and collect them all up and pay to send them home.

Once again you just can't trust anything politicians say.


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wba108@yahoo.com 2 years ago from upstate, NY

I don't think the law means much to these liberal politicians. The law is only useful to a liberal if they can use it to buy votes or raid the treasury instead of working for a living.

Granting amnesty to 11 million illegal immigrants is like allowing a foreign army to camp behind our lines. What good are laws if they're not enforced?

Granting an illegal alien, welfare as a reward for breaking our laws, this constitutes treason in my book. But why should this surprise us when we have an entire party in America that routinely breaks our laws and speaks out against our own country.


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

I like you :-)


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wba108@yahoo.com 2 years ago from upstate, NY

Aw shucks : -)

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