One Progressive’s View: A Message from and to Black America Part II

George Jefferson, as played by Sherman Hemsley

I need to first make a disclaimer; I do not speak for everyone. These are my opinions, but with my approaching my 7th decade of life in this uniform, I think that I can impart something of value to this discussion.

The Age of Jefferson

Well, from the photo that I have provided you have probably surmised that I am not speaking of Thomas Jefferson, but of George Jefferson. Yes, George, the lovable character from the 1970’s CBS situation comedy, The Jeffersons. The age of Jefferson was the period of the late 1960’s and 1970’s when the Black community finally was beginning the reap the benefits of the Civil Rights Movement and favorable Supreme Court decisions that began to open the floodgates to opportunity that whites had always taken for granted. Much of this was to be enjoyed by my parents, aunts and uncles. George was saying that ‘we have arrived’, conspicuous consumption was the rule. But like a blind person who is suddenly given sight, the same can be said about people deprived for so long now being told to ‘go for it’, it can be overwhelming. As I said in the earlier article, being wealthy takes time while one could become rich overnight. Which would you prefer? There is that adage “that a fool and his money are soon parted’. It is more than just having money, but how you use it that will determine whether you will have the ability to have more and pass the wealth down to your progeny, giving them a head start in life. The accumulation of wealth involves patience and deliberation, contrary to instant gratification. Well, I believe that a shortcoming was that the first black generation relatively free to move within American society with some degree of opportunity and equality was not always prepared to make the best use of the resources suddenly made available to them. There were no mentors or role models to emulate as to how things were to be properly done. The ‘old money’ people that I met through my sister’s marriage, never made a ‘big deal’ out of money, they have always had it and spent generations learning how to stay in control of the wealth creating process.

There are three things that I must focus on as to where we as a group must improve.


Education

Many may deny this, but as I grew up in a black community, I always remember the black males as the constant poor academic performers and disciplinary problems at school. This could not be blamed on the ‘system’ but there was anti-intellectual attitude taken by these boys. It was the source of many fist fights in my life, but that was preferable to coming home with bad grades. I just as well not come home at all. As sure as the sun was to rise in the morning, I was well aware of what to expect. The focus for these miscreants was always on sports, football and basketball. We cannot keep an entire people employed in the fields of entertainment and athletics. The economic picture has exponentially shifted from anything of my world almost 50 years ago. I can get on the telephone now and almost have a running conversation with voice recognition software, robots! The days of making it into the middle class short of having higher education or otherwise being highly skilled is already a distant memory. What are the current parents emphasizing with our young? Getting basketball or football scholarships should be treated with the same level of certainty as winning the state lottery. Our young men may believe that their assimilation into traditional occupations is not welcome and involves a price they are not willing to pay. We all have to compromise part of ourselves to ‘play the game’. The desire to remain in control of our lives to the greatest extent is noteworthy, but not a practical solution for the many. Like a laser light our people need to focus on education and become its master if we are to have any chance of prospering in the future. While many of us have not had higher education, we must take a leap of faith, set the example and lead.


Immediate Gratification

Now that we are approaching the 3rd generation since the Age of Jefferson, the novelty of access to consumer goods and the concept of conspicuous consumption needs to wear off. When I think of the combined wealth of the African American community, how are we using the money? Are we using it to get the latest model car or are we investing in so that our children can attend college when they reach the age? We simply do not have the resources that the Anglo has so we have to be smart and ignore the constant messages to consume and instead, invest and save. Since the meltdown, even many whites acknowledge that this is necessary for their families as well.


Circle the Wagons

As I mentioned earlier, we are at a distinct disadvantage because of our lack of net worth in our families. But the problem is never insurmountable. While it may take an Anglo and Uncle Joe to finance a new business, we are going to need 20 people contributing their resources toward the same goal. Twenty people are just that much more contention, but it will be a challenge for us to trust one another more and work together toward a common goal. I grew up in a community where most of the supermarkets were no longer in business, much of that due to theft, but a lot of it due to the fact that the residents of the community were taking their business to Anglo communities in the other parts of town. We need to patronize each other more. While living in California, a few years after the fall of Saigon, I remember the flood of Vietnamese that were showing up at our shores. They worked together to learn the language, consolidate resources for banks and lending to one another. Families would live on top of one another in one house until one of the group had enough to buy their own house. We have been here longer than anybody; we should have this game down pat. People might say that my ideas of economic empowerment are about isolating ourselves, but let face it, what other group faces almost 17 percent unemployment? Dire circumstances call for dire remedies. We too often work against one another and distrust each other and if we are to move forward all this must change.

The Culture

Why are black cultural norms so often associated with negative concepts? It is bad enough that the Anglos and the media play it up; do we have to be on the same stage?

The black church was once a vital part of our cultural and a shaper of mores, now it has become more of a social club. The values that are needed and that will allow us to endure are not emphasized here the way they once were. The pressure of the media and negative messages going out to the youth of all colors is not helping much. But blacks are so much more vulnerable because we simply cannot afford to make mistakes. I look to the Asians, particularly the Japanese for an example of what it means to be insular and hold to certain social values and mores within the group. I have never seen Japanese people on skid row. They have become successful in American life, and I am most certain that they too faced substantial discrimination. How did they prevail? Maybe, we can learn a thing or two from them. The need to adhere to certain mores must be more than just a Sunday sermon; it needs to be ingrained almost akin to programming. Out of wedlock births, which was once a mark of shame is now a rite of passage. We have to learn to respect each other, our women, promote self-reliance. When I was young, I was given “Mohammed Speaks” newspapers to read, it spoke of the Black Muslims. They were all about self control and discipline. They did not smoke, drink and were devout about their worship without hypocrisy. The discipline of the organization is the kind of discipline that is needed. The “establishment” had a death warrant on these groups as they organized blacks to address the challenges confronting them in an effective way. Being disciplined does not have to mean being violent or militant. Or adversaries do not want you to be enlightened in this way as it is a threat to their continued control. No one has ever taken Amos and Andy seriously, nor even George Jefferson


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

Well said Credence. It seems today this same paper could apply to anyone in the country, I think we all need to step back get a better look. Archie was Georges neighbor and he's still around in a different form but still there. Thanks for the lesson my friend,

Peter


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junko 5 years ago

A people with no known history of themselves will not come together and plan their future. All other Americans know where they are coming from. The African-American is a unique and long suffering lost group on this earth.


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Dee aka Nonna 5 years ago

Credence2,

I've sat staring at the computer screen for a good 5 or 6 minutes after reading part 2. I did read part one first. I even had to get up from the computer and walk around a bit to compose myself.... your article is spectacular in both the message and the delivery of that message. I remember well struggles of my generation and listened with interest the struggles of the generations before me--my family passed down many stories. It breaks my heart to hear the comments being made about our President and I mean the people of American....not just one race...he is the American President. I know that racism and its attitudes still lurk in places where it should not and it is really not OK.

I do believe that far more people than we realize would rather die and go straight to hell rather than work with the President to help us all.

Well done, Well, well done!


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hafeezrm 5 years ago from Pakistan

I am impressed by your candid views. The prejudice would certainly fade away with the passage of time. One can already see a light at the end of the tunnel.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

No lesson for you, Peter, I think that the enlightened ones basically already understand. In bad times, many more are going to be in survival mode that were not before. Your imput is always appreciated, thanks Cred2


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, Junko, thanks for reading and providing your comment. I guess that we can always hope that there is a silver lining around the dark clouds. We are our worst enemy and the tragedy is that it need not be so. Thanks, Cred2


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Dee, thanks for a most insightful observation regarding this article. Believe me, I have spent many hours scratching my head wondering where the impediments were and where they still remain. Racism is still a vital problem within American life and I may have to accept the possibility that hostility toward those not like you may be part of being human for many. When it reaches the point that racism makes people work against their own best interests, you have to wonder. The ideas of how we can compensate for our disadvantages as a group are there if we decide to act upon them. Thanks, Cred2


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hello, hafeezrm, thank you for your poignant comment. I have to be more pessimistic about the nature of American racism. I would like to think that progress is being made and in certain areas it is has been true, but there are the reality checks that seem to indicate that under pressure opposing sides revert to their respective fortresses. Best Regards, Cred2


Justsilvie 5 years ago

Cred2; I have read your 2 hubs 3 times now and I find it one of the most interesting and on target things I have read in a long time.

In the seventies I got my first management job, I worked for a discount retailer. The company was new and had a chain of 13 stores. The owner was a young Jewish man. In a small store being a manger meant you wore many of the hats and sometimes it meant helping unload the truck that brought us our products. Our regular driver was a middle aged black man and he and I would have coffee and a chat after the work was finished.

One day we discussed our owner and got on the subject of Jews verses Black Americans and why one group was so much more successful than the other.

His explanation:

Jewish people, work, hard, build up something, than pass on the opportunity to a family member or close friend and the chain of success is maintained, black People work hard, build up something, move out of the neighborhood and never look back. I have always remembered his words.

I did not think it was a totally fair assessment at the time but maybe he was more on track than I realized and I think your explanation on net worth and experience has given his explanation credence (I just had to use this word. *grin*).

Have you considered Politics? *smile*


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, Justsilvie, thanks for taking the time and reading and providing so appropriate a comment. Your associate with whom you had worked was right, we do 'take the money and run'. As a result, each new generation never really benifits from the efforts of the one before. For AA as a group it is akin to taking cyanide. The Jewish people operate on just opposite idea, and everybody knows how successful they have been.

Believe me, I have thought of politics, the task of reorienting people is like trying to herd cats. So many of us have been resistant to the message and caught up in the lure of consumerism, it has been hard to get a sympathetic ear. Plus, the political environment here, of course, is much different. Thanks for the sympathetic ear, we do have some work to do... Cred2


vperry 5 years ago

Great hub! Thanks for sharing this!


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

V, thanks for reading and taking the time to comment, Cred2


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Xenonlit 5 years ago

I find your writing to be stunning and truthful. Who else would see George Jefferson as the flawed exemplar of the second era of prosperity for Black people. (I call it the second era, because my ancestors and many others ended up in California and did very well.)


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Xenolit, thanks for reading the article. i am pleased that it was on target. You might elaborate if you have time on when you considered the "first era" of prosperity for blacks actually was and how wide spread it was. Thanks Cred2


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

Credence - This essay brought tears to my eyes...would that all disadvantaged families, black, latino, white .... would take your words to heart. There is a huge difference in riches and wealth.

There are lessons to be learned there, lessons of discipline, hard work, restraint, delayed gratification, commitment to the extended family and the community. These things work and many Americans of all colors must embrace them consistently and faithfully.

Your comments about the VietNamese immigrants are so telling. Historically, that was the path for each new wave of immigrants who had to start at the bottom, who crammed large families into tiny apartments, where everyone sacrificed so the next generation could get an education.

African Americans have had the additional burden of slavery and a decidedly stubborn and pernicious racism, but the way out is the same. You have outlined the steps necessary to success, necessary to moving one;s family, therefore one's people forward. This hub, your words need readers. I will do my part. Sharing.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

PHD, I am touched that anything that I write could have a profound effect on anyone.

My folks would go up in arms at the prospect of living with so many inlaws, but in reality that is a way many newcomers get ahead of the curve.

Because of the added burden place upon the African American, we must be more resourceful. This for nothing else than to compensate for the structural disadvantages. Our group simply do not have the luxury of making mistakes. You may well only have one shot at the brass ring and the opportunity may well not be available again. If only a few listen, it may well be worth the effort.

Your kind words of support are, as always, appreciated. See you around the Hubs!

RIP - Sherman Hemsley


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Jeff Berndt 3 years ago from Southeast Michigan

Hi, Credence2. I'm not sure I can contribute much to your observations here. I don't know what it's like to be a Black guy, so I don't know how the Black community will feel about what you've said here. But maybe I can help some White folks to see your point?

You've mentioned that some folks might think your ideas in the "Circle the Wagons" section mean that Black folks should isolate themselves. I know that a lot of White folks will see those ideas and think, "AAAAAH! Reverse Racism! BAD!"

But let me point out to anyone who might be thinking "reverse racism" that most White Americans don't have a problem with places like Chinatown or Little Italy. In Detroit, there's a neighborhood called Corktown, which was where Irish immigrants grouped together back in the day. Hamtramck (a small city completely surrounded by Detroit) was once a Polish-American enclave. Nobody freaks out about those, do they? Heck, no-- a lot of White people go there on purpose as tourists. So why should anybody be scared of a deliberate effort to create a community of Black folks? If you feel uncomfortable about the idea of going to such a place (would it be called "Little Africa?") as a tourist, think about why. Really think about it honestly.

Finally, you're right that nobody takes George Jefferson (or Fred Sanford, or Erkel) seriously. If you want to see a really stark satire on how networks treat TV shows with Black casts, check out Spike Lee's movie, "Bamboozled." It's the story of a Black TV writer who, to make a point, deliberately writes a script for what can only be called a modern minstrel show. Rather than get the point, his White boss loves the idea and green-lights the show, which becomes astonishingly popular among both Black and White folks. Makes you think--or it made me think, anyway.

Good stuff, Credence2.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

Credence - This is still an incredibly well-written, honest, and maningful hub. It still deserves a wider readership.

I have been busy with school. I hope all is well with you. Theresa


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS

What an enlightening and wise look at what is surely a long-term, life-long view of it for you.

It's 2AM, I'm an octogenarian and ought to get some sleep. I just came upon your hub - and you, for that matter! I've read most of it, enough to be genuinely impressed & interested. I plan to return & give it the read it deserves. But I don't want to lose track so am writing this comment to express my appreciation for your insight as well as to put it on my highly visible list of activities which helps keep me on track. :-)

Bravo!


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Credence2 3 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Jeff, your desire to honest discuss and weigh in is more than enough ‘contribution’

When I refer to ‘circle the wagons”, I might be referring to some of the cohesion found in “Little China”, Little Saigon, etc. We are not into isolation, but may need to refer to the tools that all successful immigrant groups use to get ahead in a new land. And for Black folks, unfortunately in many ways, that is where we are. One might more comfortably consider it as an extended family. While I consider only two main ethnic groups who have been devastated as part of the American experience, Native Americans and Black Americans, that does not mean we should not avail ourselves of the tools of immigrants to compensate for so many structural disadvantages. Your point that in the city of Detroit there are many ethnic enclaves, but no one considers their enclaves as fortresses for all outside. As you say, why is it a problem with Blacks doing similar things? I am not even advocating segregation as much as more cohesiveness and cooperation among us within the economic sphere. To be honest with you, there really isn’t a natural consciousness of Africa as our point of origin. We said much of this during the Sixties to rally a downtrodden people to rise; it was trendy and fashionable at the time but does not really reflect the reality of where we are. It was important that we could have something common with which to identify, like a point of origin. The African continent is so diverse and most of us have been here so long, that the only real history most of us have is a uniquely American one. There are not many of us that could tell “Kunta Kinte” Roots story.

Spike Lee’s “Bamboozled”, it will put it on our movie list. As always thanks for reading and commenting…..

RJ


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Credence2 3 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, Professor! I am happy to see you drop by. When I think of you, somehow the 1970-80’s TV Drama “The Paper Chase”, involving a series of students trying to get through law school under the tutelage of a demanding professor played by the late John Houseman, comes to mind. You are surrounded with all the excitement that is associated with a place of learning with your eager students hanging on to your every word during your lectures. You have quite a challenging life, indeed, one to be envied.

In spite of your full docket, I am humbled to have one of my articles praised by the very best. I was careful not to cast emotionally based blame and wanted to present a matter of fact approach to this topic. I would surely like to get my ideas out to the market place for evaluation. All the best to you for a successful school year.


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Credence2 3 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Dearest, Nelieanna, I am most humbled that you take the time to read one of my articles in the wee hours of the morning. I am thrilled that we see eye to eye on the issue particularly as someone who has had so much experience observing, including a lifetime of refining the art of sifting the wheat from the chaff. I would very much value your critique on other articles that I have written in the same genre. Do I get it right, at least most of the time?

RJ


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Jeff Berndt 3 years ago from Southeast Michigan

"The African continent is so diverse and most of us have been here so long, that the only real history most of us have is a uniquely American one."

That's true; good point.


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Credence2 3 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Acknowledged, Jeff, thanks again!


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bradmasterOCcal 8 months ago from Orange County California

Credence2

I should have read this part first, You nailed here.

I did like listening to Dr Fred Price from Los Angeles on the TV, and I even met him in person once.

BTW, contrast The Jeffersons versus Good Times.

Then throw in the Cosby Show.

I think that Obama is a bad president, but he worked the white system, and he raised more funds than the old white lady.

We have had two black Attorney Generals, and a black Supreme Court justice. So there are the new Jeffersons.

BTW, when I would go back to where I grew up in Manhattan, even when I lived in Long Island, I wondered what are these people still doing here? I couldn't understand why they didn't move, like my family did, and we didn't have much money, but my father worked two jobs to get us out.

As for me, the reason that Trump is not a politician should be his single biggest asset. We didn't get to this declining nation because of the Trumps, we got here through the tireless efforts of the profession party politicians.

Thanks for reading.


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Credence2 8 months ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Again, thanks for your comments.

While Obama is not the ideal, who is? Was Bush better? I certaintly think that Clinton was politically sophisticated and more effective than Obama, but the nineties and the political landscape today is different. While, I found Reagan very affable, I did not care for his policies. So, it is all a matter of opinion. But I say that Obama is a better president than either McCain or Romney would have been.

The 'Age of Jefferson' refers to the opening of a new era for Black opportunity that did not exist before. Your father was fortunate to be able to get the jobs needed to get out of that circumstance. Discrimination in employment may have made that more difficult for non-whites, particularly if you are speaking of a time, well past.


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bradmasterOCcal 8 months ago from Orange County California

Read my question on that includes both Bush and Obama for that answer.

Clinton was a great personality but a mediocre president, certainly better than Jimmy Carter. It was during the Clinton administration that we had the first departure from conservative financial investing. The dot com broke all the rule of conservative finances. It created a bubble that like the sub prime bubble broke.

Both parties did nothing after the dot com bubble burst to ensure that yet another bubble would be created by breaking traditional investing rules and protections. Yet, we had the sub prime bubble.

My father had to leave school in the 9th grade, when both of his parents died. He had to hit the streets of Manhattan and started at the lowest rung. As I said he worked two full time jobs to keep us out of the city.

I see more work ethics in the Hispanics than in either the blacks or whites. They work the lowest jobs, and get the lowest pay.

If you look back at US history when all the immigrants came from Europe, the government gave them nothing except admission into the US. They had the language barrier, and they were discriminated against by everyone.

They finally made it, but what about the Blacks, where are they, and why?

Could it be that the democrats want them to be subservient to them on voting days, and in return they keep the welfare and benefits coming into them. This is not a flippant statement as it appears to be the case.

Why else would Blacks prefer the democrats?

Thanks


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Credence2 8 months ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

No, Brad, this whole deregulating thing begins with Ronald Reagan and his statements as 'government being the problem'.

People have this perception that poor people don't work, on the contrary most have to work harder than the more affluent just to stay alive.

There is no comparison with experiences of immigrants to the experiences of Blacks and Native Americans in the United States.

Immigrants were not subject to theft of their land and resources, not subjected to slavery, segregation, discrimination on a much more reliable and consistent basis over so long. White people, are able to assimilate into the general population those that are obviously physically different, not so much so.

While the Democrats are not perfect, what do the GOP offer except disenfranchisement, insults of communities and people. And why do you assume that all blacks are all about welfare and benefits, more of those are going to whites. Why are you not being told about that?

Blacks prefer the democrats because over the last 50 years over the period of Civil Rights Struggles it was they that were on our side, from FDR to Obama, while the other side either their feet or were openly hostile to our aspirations. Here is another plug where I explain the support the blacks give the Democrats more eloquently than I do here.

"Why do Blacks support Democrats"

Thank you


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bradmasterOCcal 8 months ago from Orange County California

Democrats keep Blacks and Hispanics (legal or not) on welfare period.

Neither party has done anything good for the middle class.

The democrats keep the poor below the middle class, and the republicans have slide the average middle class wage earner into the poor class. While both parties support the 10% rich with the Income Tax and its Internal Revenue Code.

The poor don't pay taxes, and the rich can use all of the loopholes in the Internal Revenue Code. The Middle Class is a wage earner that has to pay the taxes that the poor, and the 10% don't pay.

We hear that the 10% pay 90% of the income tax revenue, which is true. But that is only a fraction of what they would pay if both parties didn't protect their wealth with the Internal Revenue Code.

My solution is to get an amendment to totally replace the income tax system with a National Sales Tax similar to those in most states. If you have any objections to that tax, than you have to make those same arguments about the state sales tax.

The NST would be about 10 to 12%, as it wouldn't include FICA. The FICA tax would still be taken out by your employer.

Don't forget that the democrats were the ones that kept Blacks in slavery, and the republicans were the ones that the blood of many Union soldiers. It was also the democrats that were the reason why the 13,14, and 15th amendments were needed.

It was also the democrats that were the reason for the necessity of the Civil Rights Acts.

The fact is that party loyalty is not the best for the country. Both parties are screwing the middle class, and what is left of it.

Where do whites get more welfare than blacks or Hispanics? Start with California which has almost double the population of any of the rest of the states, and it has been democrat controlled since the 60s, how many of each race are on the welfare rolls?

We have had the worst 16 years of this century and both parties had their turn at the wheel. The result was a circle, that is no forward movement.

Sticking with either party will not bear any improvement. Look from the 70s till today, and you will see both parties neutralize each other, and the result is a continuing decline, even today.

How with keeping the party line and the party vote make any improvement in 2017?

Thanks


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Credence2 8 months ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

I keep with the party line, knowing that any Democrat nominee is better than Trump or Cruz.

Yes, I recognize the general decline, but I stick with lesser of the two ideological and political evils and that for me are the Democrats.

Proportionately, blacks and hispanics receive more, but they are poorer, is that not expected? But the way whites complain about it, you would think that none of them use it.

I am loyal to those that promote the ideology that I find the most acceptable, and that may come down to a party line.

Don't tell me I have to tell you the same thing I have to tell all conservatives? 1865 is not 2016, Abraham Lincoln is not Ted Cruz. Geez, things and alliances have changed over 150 years. The GOP are no longer our friends, when in a distant past they were. I am talking about now. Everybody knows that the Dem party began to change its national politics in the thirties with the changes reaching even into the deep South state and local politics by the late 1960's. This corresponded very closely with the South moving to the Republican column by the 1970's.

Are you black, can you really say that the Dems are keeping Blacks on welfare, the Rush Limbaugh stuff. The Republicans are only interested in the wealthy and keeping their 'burden' or share of tax to a minimum, fair or not. Obama tried a stimulus program designed to get work on national infrastructure projects that would benefit middle class workers and the GOP fought it tooth and nail, as socialism.

The poor do not pay taxes or very little as they have no disposable income to tax. The rich need to pay more and have even fewer loopholes than they have now. Their power over the government and how it operates needs to be curbed.

I will agree with you that the middle class taxpayer needs more relief.


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bradmasterOCcal 8 months ago from Orange County California

Credence2

You don't have to be a chicken to judge an egg.

I live in S California with over 15 million people, and I can see with my own eyes, as well as look at the statistics.

You don't have to take my word, just look it up.

You tell me that 2016 is not 1865, but your grievances are based on the last 400 years.

What are the black grievances during the last 8 years? Remember, in his first two years as president, Obama could have tackled any of those grievances, but he didn't.

When Obama comes out to CA, he doesn't visit the poor black neighborhoods, he comes begging at the homes of the mostly white 10% people. Think about how better spent those hundreds of millions of dollars that he puts in his campaign bank, on something to help the poor. Not give them a hand out but a hand up.

You don't like Cruz but you dissed my by saying I was like your conservatives that you have to lecture.

I have mentioned several times that I am not with either party. That doesn't mean that my opinions about the democrats are not true, or factual.

The democrats are the pied piper of the poor, and the illegals. If they didn't get their vote, they wouldn't do anything for them. And what they have done for them is tantamount to slavery without the physical chains.

Why is it that the democrats don't want to check the eligibility of those people that vote in our elections? Who are they, and how many of the voters can't get a valid photo ID?

I can't get a Costco card without them taking a copy of my driver's license. I can't get a library card, at my local library without a valid photo id.

Anyone on welfare should also have to produce a valid photo id.

Read my hubs when you think about labeling me.

The lesser of two evils, is still evil, and that won't change as long as people are loyal to a party that takes their votes, and then pushes the country further down the slope.

If the economy is so good, then why does Obamacare allow parents to put the adult children up to the AGE of 26 on their medical insurance. It doesn't bode well for either the economy or any improvement for the people.

Adding 10 of millions of new people to healthcare insurance doesn't improve the quality of that healthcare which is pretty pathetic even before that happened.

I don't see any improvement coming from the 2016 election, and mainly because of the loyal party voter giving their proxy to the party. The party then listens to the third party that actually controls them.

The poor people will vote for whatever party gives them the most benefit. The middle class is once again overlooked,or actually continued to be preyed on to help pay for those benefits given to the poor.

The poor are given hand outs, when the better solution is to give them a hand up.

Not happening from either party.


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Credence2 8 months ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Brad,

True about the chicken and the egg, but I am going to say that the chicken is going to know more about what it created then say, a ferret...

I lived in Southern California for 4 years, the Inland Empire. I study statistics and see with my own eyes as well, but I am probably older than you and behind these eyes lie more experience. But, being black, I can tell you things first hand that you,otherwise, can never really know or understand.

Yes, the experience of slavery and segregation, discrimination and general oppression is part of the dialogue over 4 centuries. But, I cannot hold people responsible for things that are out of my hands now. But, I can certainly see which side is perpetuating the problems associated race, now and today, and it is not the side that I am on.

We did not expect Obama to solve all the economic problems of the black community, who is saying that we were expecting that? But, at least he, like Clinton before him, would try to tackle the general problem while not offering race specific solutions. Would I have received even that effort from a McCain or Romney? I don't care about how many people visit us, it is your policies that I am interested in.

Sorry, I had to get after you about the constant talk from the conservatives about Republican freeing the slaves. It so irrelevant to what they have become today. What are our choices today, you say that the Democrats are maintaining a minority plantation, what do the GOP offer outside of racism and insults?

On the voter-id, why is this coming up within the last 4 years, when there has been little evidence of voter fraud? The GOP in Texas know that poorer people are less likely to have the needed credentials, much of this is composed of the Black and Hispanic people that they desire to disenfranchise. So who is crying about absentee ballots? Seems to me that is an area ripe for voter fraud, I don't hear anybody talking about that. Besides, it is more than just the ID, it is resisting motor-voter, reducing the amount of days people can cast their ballots, which hurt poorer people that can't spend inordinate amounts of time not working or taking care of families. The GOP legislatures in Ohio tried to stop the practice of allowing Sunday as a day to cast ballots, that was targeted on African American voters that traditionally went to the polls after church. The GOP knows that with the rise of population groups that are going vote against them, they fight dirty by using every trick to deny these people the right to vote.

Well in regard to the lesser of two evils, what are my choices? I certainly not going to support those that would clearly exacerbate an existing problem. Better to be with someone who occasionally disappoints than ally with an outright enemy.

I am not ignoring you in regards to your expressed despair regarding the two party system, but my natural inclination is not to trust the conservatives, based on their track record. That is all the GOP is dishing out, these days.

Everybody votes for the party that gives them the greatest benefit, who doesn't? So it shouldn't surprise you that conservatives, the wealthy, the christian fundamentalist are going to do it. What do you think black folks are going to do? Programs that put middle class people back to work is part of the 'hand up'. I don't hear any of that from 'the other side'.

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