One Progressive’s View: What is the Conservative’s Mindset-Part II (1/24/2012)

My brother and I were speaking about politics the other day and he said that Newt Gingrich is underestimated and will sail on to the GOP nomination and the Presidency, next year. He said all this even though he is not a Republican. I watched the debates both from South Carolina and Florida. I told my brother, that I wish that the GOP would select Newt as its standard bearer in the fall but it was not likely to happen. Although he pointed to Newt’s success in South Carolina, I believed that was an aberration rather than the rule. The model found in New Hampshire and most probably Florida is the better picture of how the GOP electorate would vote nationwide. Romney has too many advantages to be defeated easily, in spite of glaring flaws.

If the GOP wanted a true conservative, Santorum is the more consistent choice. Let’s face it, Romney does not inspire the social conservative evangelical base of the party that is predominant in South Carolinian politics. That is not likely to play well outside of the “South”. I do not consider Florida as part of the Southern voting block. The South Carolina vote was a protest vote and they were looking for a scrap with Barack Obama and wanted someone who would give voice to that frustration. It always bugged me about conservatives that this ‘anyone but Obama’ position would allow them to consider for the nomination someone that would contradict so many of their time honored values.

This guy with the lame excuse as to lack of fidelity to his former spouses says that he was caught up in the job of governing and that he sought and acquired forgiveness from “the Father” in that regard. The rightwing ministers all flock to the Newt saying that “he has seen the light”. There is a reason that the gathering of evangelicals in Texas put their support behind Santorum. I wonder why they cannot give Obama a fraction of the credit for have a solid nuclear family that has remained intact? Since the GOP says that they are the party of family values, I am going to measure them by the standard that they put forth. I think that that is fair.

What about the talk about eliminating capital gains taxes? Even Romney was smart enough not to admit to the entire world that the wealthy should not have to pay any taxes on this, which can well be the predominant source of their income. You know why, because Gingrich says that they are the ‘job creators” and as such should reap a reward for this risk. What jobs? This is a “let them eat cake” sort of bloated plutocrat, trying to sell us all on a bill of goods.

As for all his professed brilliance, removing union labor by having middle school children cleaning bathrooms for example, he is just a legend in his own mind. He reminds me much more of the Steve Martin character in the 1979 comedy, “The Jerk”. Instead of the master debater, he is the master equivocator. A lunar colony and 13K population is sufficient for their applying for statehood after 2020? The man is a lunatic. With the shuttle retired and no launch vehicle currently available, a permanent presence on the moon is ambitious and will take much longer than 8 years to accomplish. Believe me, he is no JFK! From where does he come up with this stuff?

So now the moon is our 51st state? He takes a fact here and there drenching them in the gravy of lie and distortions. This is the equivalent to liberally scenting bull s*** with Chanel No. 5. There isn’t a person more qualified to toss red meat into the anxious crowds. I wish the GOP would bring him to the contest against the President next fall. But alas, even the right-winger is probably smart enough to avoid it.

But on the other hand, Romney is not off of the hook, either. He was rather tepid when asked about his tax returns. We should demand that he provide them on not just over the past year, but a few more. What do you have to hide? If I were the GOP, I would be concern that their nominee be thoroughly vetted prior to being coronated. Romney wants folks to wait until April as a delaying tactic, but it will not work. Let’s see how much of an aristocrat and out of touch he is, while telling people of far more modest means that he can fix the economy. Did he thwart the tax code with his off shore depositories of wealth? That will remain to be seen. Can’t have a president that circumvents the law, doesn’t set a very good example, now does it?

I have traveled across most over 47 of 50 states within my lifetime and I take a little pride in knowing a little about the American people. I expect Romney to win in Florida, while my brother says that Newt will continue to surprise us all. With the exception of the Florida panhandle, the voters are different. Many of the transplants from northern climes are more interested in the economy and don’t need to have newt-tron bombs exploding all about. Well, I told my brother to leave politics and politicians to the experts and expect to have to eat a copious amount of crow without the benefit of any seasoning the very minute of the results of the Florida contest is in. So, what do you think?

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Freeway Flyer 4 years ago

I think that Romney will get the nomination as well, but he will end up losing to Obama in a close election. Romney reminds of a Republican version of John Kerry. He is so intent on saying what will earn him the most political points that it is hard to determine what he actually thinks.

On the other hand, it would make a certain amount of sense if Romney became president. Since so much of our nation's economy is focused on financial speculation, it would be appropriate to have a hedge fund manager as president. Unfortunately, you can't run the government like a hedge fund, or at least I hope not.


HSchneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

The Republicans are a mess. The conservative Far Right base wants someone other than Mitt but all the candidates have been deeply flawed. Santorum would be the logical choice for them but he isn't well known and has little chance. Romney is deeply flawed and changes his policies to suit his audience. He is Jell-o. Newton Leroy Gingrich also has changing policies as well as a penchant for self destructing. The GOP establishment wants Mitt because they want to win the Senate and hold the House. Any other candidate would cause a national landslide loss jeopardizing those goals. Furthermore the Tea Party wing is tearing the party apart. They are moving Far Right and thus unelectable. Yes, I am enjoying the circus. Excellent analysis, Cred2.


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

I tend to view all of this with a sense of irony. Newt was the the original bomb-thrower who figured out how to divide America by inventing the politics of lies and derision and it's come back to destroy his campaign by a ruthless opportunist who learned how to exploit him by using his own tactics.

And if the American people remain ignorant and easily deceived, they'll get another weasal-in-chief who'll continue to sell Americans out for fun and profit.


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Borsia 4 years ago from Currently, Philippines

As I have said before the only republican I could support is Paul.

It is very unlikely that Paul will get there, hopefully he will run as a 3rd party.

I would vote for anyone over Gingrich even Satan himself.

I believe that both Gingrich and Romney will loose against Obama, I don't think the other guy would do any better.

The Democrats surely must be pleased with what is going on.


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Newt-tron Bomb! I am going to steal that for sure. Politicians are too busy running to govern. It is time to move to a real democracy. One person, one vote.

Florida has gone mad, look at our governor. The candidate hardly matters. It is the machine behind the candidate that runs the grist mill.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hello, Freeway Flyer, thanks for reading and commenting.

I cling to the point you made about hedge fund managers, the office of the President is more one of compromise and negotiation than that of a CEO. Romney had a wealth advantage going into the game, can he convince all the economically troubled right now that can provide a solution for them?


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Nice to have you weigh in HS, the GOP has a choice between a molotov coctail and a dishrag. Mitt Romney is just a spoiled dandy with born with a silver spoon in his mouth. We have had affluent people become president before, but these men had the heart and spirit to work for middle class, with the noted exception of Ronald Reagan. Well, I am more than content to sit on the sidelines and let divide and conquer work wonders. Yes, indeed, send in the clowns!


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, Wizard, I don't know where Newt gets this reputation of being a political genius, he is a lot like Wile E Coyote on that score. This Saul linsky(sp) thing, who is he trying to impress throwing the name around? No one has ever heard of this guy, nor cares about his significance. He is a lunatic!


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Borsia, yea we Dems are most pleased watching these guys duke it out for the nomination. There is not enough of the electorate to move Ron Paul forward. I think that his clean break from business as usual would make him suprisingly competitive in the general election. But if he starts a 3rd party candidacy, the GOP is doomed...


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, WD, here is another one for a banner headline. Romney Newt-ralizes Gingrich in Florida contest! Thanks for reading and weighing in...


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

Exploitation of the 1% . . . welcome to the Rabbit Hole . . .

http://youtu.be/8-nEmqvy9Go


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hey, Wizard great video, you're my kind of guy!


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Borsia 4 years ago from Currently, Philippines

Hi Credence; I think the Repubs are doomed regardless of what Paul might do.

But if he goes 3rd party, or if a huge voting block goes 3rd party without Paul, it will illustrate to both main parties that being extremist right or left isn't a good thing.

I still believe that the majority of Americans are moderates. This has been proven numerous times in states like CA where, before Arnold, moderate Republicans got in and got things accomplished. That in one of the most liberal states, home to both Boxer & Fienstein.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thanks, Borsia, California has a high standard, right wing type GOP will go nowhere there, moderation is a necessity if the GOP even think that they can win. Because the the GOP has such a rightwing tilt, they may not be attractive to independents this year.


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michabelle 4 years ago

Hello Cred, there's no chance for a Newtron-Bomb for the White House. Women who aren't far-right Conservatives don't particularly like him. It's difficult to understand how "far-right" women could have an interest in him unless they're obsessed with the "power of forgiveness."

He's an opportunist who uses women for fulfilling his ambitions. The county he is from in Georgia has a record of backward beliefs so the idea about putting kids to work cleaning toilets isn't surprising.

Mitt is a great guy, it's just that he waffles and it's so very unfortunate that his wife is ill. She's tiring now, even during the campaign and it would be a difficult presidency for him should her illness become more severe.

Santorum is the ultra conservative choice, but he's young and inexperienced. I just realized it.... he or Newt would be America's second Roman Catholic President. Right?

Ron Paul is wonderful and filled with fantastic ideas, only should he commit his life the next 8 years he would be pushing 85 towards the end of two terms. The presidency is for graying hair, not for turning it completely white, although Paul is probably the healthiest of all!

I've said it once and will say it again. If it weren't for gay marriage and anti abortion, the Republicans wouldn't have a dog in the fight. At some point perhaps they will realize this country was designed for equality, equal rights, and freedom for all religions, and there's more ways than one of believing in goodness and a Divine Creator.

Good read, nice hub.


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JT Walters 4 years ago from Florida

Hi Cred2,

I expect Romney to win tonight in Florida especially since almost 70% of Florida is not born again. We also have a large defense industry in this state so again that would be more in line with voting for Mitt. Florida is a sample of the entire country and Europe as well.

In read you as well Cred2. I just don't always commment.

Your pal!!

JT


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

I am beginning to think that Newt will be dismissed as a serious contender over the next few weeks, even though he says that he will last the distance. Newt is playing a game, his is almost as good at lying as he is at philandering.

I had no idea

that Georgia is still barefoot and pregnant country! The guy spouts off intellectual technobabble with an eye to impress, but he confuses much more.

Mitt will have problems on his own with credibility with the base of the party. Many of the things he criticizes Obama about, he himself advocated or practiced in the not too distant past. Is he a 'conservative born again"?

He attract a tepid response because of it, and it may not be enough to defeat a sitting president this fall.

At least Santorum is true to his beliefs and walks the talk, that is more than I can say about either Gingrich or Romney.

By catering to the far right of the political electorate, most certainly a minority, they insure their own defeat.

America is not ready for the ideas that Ron Paul presents, and he too speaks without fork tongue most of the time. He will probably have to go third party.

Thanks for taking the time to read the article and comment.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hello, JT, I have no doubt about the results to be had in Florida. I am sure that this is the beginning of the end for Newt, but that does not mean the Romney is home free. This contest is going to be lively for some time.

I always appreciate your reading and commenting on my articles as the opportunity presents itself.

Regards, Cred2


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JT Walters 4 years ago from Florida

Hi Cred2,

I doubt it. I think the Tea Party has been a complete failure. There is no third party for which the Tea Party claims its fame. The Tea Party has spent the majority of its money and time redistricting Florida for a Tea Party Candidate to win. After Florida and the Tea Party failing to have a vaible winner in Florida who would fund them. It is head to head Obama and Romney. The only difference is the power Romney will yield in his VP pick.

Of course I read you my friend especially since I quite doing political pieces about the failing Tea Party. They are dust and dead. It is all up to you now my friend.

JT


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Credence2

HATE TO TELL YOU ALL that President Obama can't run on his record.TOO MUCH SPENDING AND NO JOBS.

Obama has provided no jobs as promised and the economy barely moving along.

The Democrat majority controlled Senate has yet to present a 2012 budget as yet. It's been 1,005 days and counting that the Senate has yet to pass a budget. In the first 3 years of the Obama administration, the President has yet to present a budget that Congress can approve. In Dec., President ’’I’’ Obama requested Congress for the 2nd time to increase the National Debt limits another $1.2 trillion on top of last years $1.25 trillion. If Congress approves the President's request, the National Debt will be over $16 trillion. In November 2012, it is evident that the country desperately needs new leadership when the citizens go to the polls this year..


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Borsia 4 years ago from Currently, Philippines

The tea Party started out as a good thing. It was mostly moderates from both parties along with a majority of independents and 3rd party members hoping to find a voice of solidarity. But the Tea Party just like the Republican party has been hijacked by the ultra conservative religious right and has fallen into ruin as the original core has left and only the wackos remain.

Of course the equal but opposite has happened to the Democrats leaving them with extreme leftist running the show.

None of them represent the majority of Americans but the equally corrupt media has everyone convinced that there are only 2 parties and anything else is a waste and somehow a cop-out on citizen's duty to vote.

IMO Obama has been a very bad president for a lot of reasons. What did anyone really expect from a mediocre junior senator from the most corrupt political machine in the country?

But I see the newt or the mitt as being worse and a greater danger to the country. Both are just aching to get us into another un-winnable war with Iran for another 15-50 years and both want to continue the military empire that is breaking the US just as the same broke the USSR.

If there isn't someone responsible coming into power soon I think we will see the US break apart into a number of smaller countries just as happened to the USSR.

The American people think that the US is too big and too important to fail but it just isn't so.

History has proven the "too big to fail" ideology wrong time after time over thousands of years. It is just as true for America today as it was for the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Japanese Empire, the Soviet Empire and just about every other major player throughout time.

The bottom line is that if the US doesn't get its own house in order the powers of reality will step in and do it for us. The US isn't really in any better position than Greece, Spain, Italy or any of the other failing states.

Asia will most likely rise from the ashes to become the dominant power in the world both financially and militarily. Not because the US hasn't supported our military but because no nation can outspend the rest of the world 100/1 and keep it up. While America spends itself into ruin they just watch and wait.

But the only one about of all those running who understands and recognizes what history has taught us is Paul. Sadly I don't see him winning. I just see America loosing.


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

I love the convenient amnesia of Jon Ewall. He ignores the improvements of the mess Obama was given when he took office and notice his evasion of a Republican-controlled House of Representatives that has blocked every non-partisan attempt to stop the very fire all of the Republicans helped the Bush pyromaniacs to set.

Any vote other than Obama is a vote for the very same arsonists who brought us this debt and economy.


Sooner28 4 years ago

I think Romney will win the nomination, but Gingrich will give him a fight. Then when the general election comes, Obama will take a page from the Bush playbook and portray Romney as a flip flopper the same way Bush did Kerry. But this is just my subjective opinion at the moment. I am going to be watching closely to see what happens.


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Borsia 4 years ago from Currently, Philippines

WOW; are you overlooking the 2 years Obama had with the Dems in control of both houses?


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Wizard Of Whimsy

The mess you refer to was when the Democrats took majority control of the House and the Senate in 2007 and 2008.In Dec of 2006, when the so called ''do nothing '' Republicans had control of Congress, unemployment was 4.6% and a barrel of oil was $45.00.

You need to get off the '' fantasy express'', get beyond the Obama propaganda machine and get the true facts.


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Bludwiczak 4 years ago from Western New York

Good article. I strongly agree with something Freeway Flyer said early in his comment, in that Romney is the 2012 version of John Kerry. To me, the 2012 election is going to be very similar to 2004 with the party roles reversed. We have a relatively unpopular president, (approval rating has hovered in the mid 40s range most of his term) a weak but slowly growing economy, and a great deal of domestic and foreign policy issues yet to be solved. So I see the main similarity here as being that Kerry was a Democratic nominee that never carried too much enthusiasm with the liberal base, and Romney will likely be a Republican nominee who doesn't bring enough enthusiasm to the conservative base. They are both relatively moderate politicians, without a whole lot of charisma. Kerry couldn't beat Bush despite most people thinking the country was doing badly in '04 and I'm predicting that Romney won't beat Obama despite many people thinking the country is doing badly today. And or course, all of this is based on Romney winning the GOP nomination, but again like Kerry in '04 I see the republicans voting for him as the best of the bad options.


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

I'm not overlooking anything and it's no fantasy.

I'm not saying Obama didn't make mistakes, but they don't come remotely close to the the cost of eight years of deregulation, unnecessary war, war profiteering, unregulated greed, speculation and cronyism, allowing our infrastructure to decline, sending our jobs overseas while fat cats engorged their offshore bank accounts and given the Bush tax cuts as a reward.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thanks, again JT, yes the Tea Party, as a front for corporate interests have been found out and, yes stick a fork into them, they are done. We just have to ram in the stake in the heart to prevent it from reanimating!!

Cred2


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Well, John, you're back. I still believe that you are baiting the Democrats and Obama without a valid reason. Do you think the GOP is clear as wind driven snow regarding this crisis? Good to see you again, regardless.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hello, Borgia, the Tea Party besides the regious wacks are the corporate pawns, being willing to advocate for those that coould care less about Tea Party goals for the society in genersl.

I still believe that Obama far from being a Marxist is leading from just left of center. It is funny that when you look at health insurance, Romney proposed the same program in Mass. Was he a marxist or socialist? So now he is the front runner for the party that represents the vaunted ideal of free-enterprise. Hillary Clinton attempted such a proposal back in the mid 90's/ It did not get far.

Being a libertarian, there is not going to be a president present or past that you could have any affinity with, perhaps Calvin Coolidge, hands off the economy and no miliary adventurism? Which modern president would the libertarian be least offended by?

Mitt doesn't have the cojones to really stand up for anything, he will be manipulated by the martial forces within our government to saber rattle and escalate conflicts right to disaster. Ever tried nailing jello to the wall? The political right seems in such a hurry to engage in conflicts worldwide when the limits of our power have been evident to the experts for over half a century.

Your point is well taken, it is just when you think that you are invinsible that you are primed for the fall. It is naive to think that all conditions would remain the same into perpetuity. Short of a revolution, those that are in power (beyond the politicians, the people and interests that pull their strings) are not going to be easily dislodged. That have the media, celebrity circuses to keep the people captivated while they pick your pocket.

Yes, you speak the truth about the rising status of Asia, our power brokers are more concerned about making as much as they can where they can. All other stretegic considerations are irrelevant. The lack of discipline in our society, which can be easily seen with lazy kid down the block represents a people cock-sure and dangerously complacent. The Trojan Horse is being constructed and will soon be sent to us as a gift. People are not prepared to acknowledge Ron Paul as we would rather continue in this delusion. I am still a Democrat, but a rip-off is a rip off. I don't think that the so called Free-market really works, when there are powers that will always control the right and ability of most of us to really access the marketplace in a competitive way. But I am all for reining in the military adventurism and its obscene costs, that unlike social programs does not benefit anyone. It is time that we called in our so called allies to help with troublesome spots particularely if the spots are in their region of influence.

As always nice to hear from you, be safe in your travels

Vaya Con Dios?


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Any vote other than Obama is a vote for the very same arsonists who brought us this debt and economy.

WOW, Amen to that, whatever shortcoming in addressing curent problems the Dems may have be magnified exponentially with a GOP senate and white house.

Thanks for your comment.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Sooner, thanks for your comment. Your assessment is probably the correct one. The question remains will hatred of Obama by the obsessive right be enough to move independents and the RINOs to vote for someone, who only seems radically different from Obama on the surface. This born again rightwinger (Romney) will have a difficult time passing muster with the true believers and if Romney wins, it will be a platonic love, one of necessity. Particularly,if the economic numbers continue to improve for the president, he will be difficult to dislodge by the lukewarm next fall.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thanks, Bludwiczak for your reading and insightful comment.

It could well be that Romney well be even weaker in 2012 than Kerry was in 2004. For the Dems, It is much like Flounder in Animal House when he said "Boy, this is great". The classic RINO running against an incumbent rising in popularity. Romney, A Thurston Howell dishrag, dandy sort against a man with solid accomplishment with every possible disadvantage comfronted and met head on. Regardless of his unpopularity, I, like you, think that Obama will pull through,

I don't know if I think that Kerry was the source of disaffection by the dems more than it is difficult to dislodge an incumbent in relatively good times. The election was close and Kerry lacked a certain charisma leaving him open to GOP swiftboating and the assortment of lies. All in the backdrop of the American fear of another terrorist attack that everyone was so sure that Bush prevented, the outcome of that contest was not surprising.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Credence2

I thought you would be interested in who the man is.

Caught a glimpse of a news clip on Fox News today, 2/2/12, of President Obama signing a document with Congresswoman Waters and other Democrats standing behind Obama.What caught my eye was just after the President signed the document, he raised his hand high with a drawn fist. I thought who is this President and what does he represent? Check out this site to get an idea who Obama apparently represents.

http://www.docspopuli.org/articles/Fist.html

Excerpts:

It showed up almost immediately within the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS, which used it in flier for the 1968 Chicago National Democratic Convention protest)[5].

One of the groups involved in the 2011 popular uprisings that toppled the Egyptian government recycled OTPOR's fist (see #13) [15].

The Occupy Wall Street movement of 2011 that spread throughout the US proved fertile ground for more street graphics - some new [22][23], some recycling the iconic "hand" of Frank Cieciorka [24, 25].

The President supports radical groups and other activist groups. Visitors to the white house includes Andy Stern (president of SEIU), Trumpka ( president of CIO-AFL) and George Soros, They All represent special interest ,who apparently have advised the President at one time or another. Really, how can Obama be trusted to govern our country in these troubled times? The President has shown NO leadership, Obama is an obstructionist and a major part of the nation’s problems.


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

Mr. Ewall, with all due respect, your post is utter nonsense and its sole purpose is to encourage resentment and hatred—a significant reason America is so divided and stagnant now.

Your own party should take responsibility for this; it has nothing to do with Obama, because the fat-cats, who are funding these lying agitators, want to continue their economic strangle-hold on our democracy. Shame on you.


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JT Walters 4 years ago from Florida

Cred2,

What I fear most is that neither candidate will offer substantial change to this country which is so far fractured that it reminds me of Caesar's civil war. There is not white elephant candidate so to speak (no pun intended) with prosperity on the horizon for this country. It is as if RND is dead in the USA and our government is content to sell all the patents to China for low cost manufacturing.

No one is inspiring!!

Have a good weekend!!

JT


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JT Walters 4 years ago from Florida

Cred2,

What I fear most is that neither candidate will offer substantial change to this country which is so far fractured that it reminds me of Caesar's civil war. There is not white elephant candidate so to speak (no pun intended) with prosperity on the horizon for this country. It is as if RND is dead in the USA and our government is content to sell all the patents to China for low cost manufacturing.

No one is inspiring!!

Have a good weekend!!

JT


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Wizard Of Whimsy

I witnessed Van Jones, a recent czar appointed by President Obama on C-Span giving a speech on how the radicals are planning to occupy wall street. Van Jones is a Marxist and a revolutionary. I experienced the Chicago protest first hand. President Obama raised his fist as a sign of solidarity to what's going on today.

The people supporting the rioting unions and activist is Obama and many of the progressives in our government. Please try to get by the propaganda machine now in progress during the 2012 presidential campaign. For your information, I am neither a Republican or a Democrat. My posts are NOT INTENTED TO SWAY ANY ideology. What the president is selling the American people are HALF TRUTHS and by far his actions are not near what he states.

CRED2 ENJOYING THE HUB, THANKS


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

Sorry, Jon, your comments are exaggerated and besides, I'll take "half-truths" over the total lies and calumny of the right-wing reactionaries whom you seem to parrot.


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mandymoreno81 4 years ago

I think it'll be a match between either Romney or Newt against Obama. I think people see Newt's character as too right wing and tied with the same corporate system he is/was a part of. The only real different candidate of the bunch is Ron Paul but there's a lot of issues with him too. If he could somehow mobilize beyond college students and libertarians, I think he'd stand a fair chance against Obama.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Wizard Of Whimsy

''over the total lies and calumny of the right-wing reactionaries''

Who are you referring too,how about some names.

Have a good day


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

Yeah right, you are independent-minded and I'm the tooth fairy!

Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and all the other hate-filled demagogues of the right you seem to believe . . .

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909080014

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hannity-van-jones-...


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, Jon, Obama's gesture does not have any dire implications for me. If anything Obama has been far too timid with the those on the right in regards to negotiation and compromise. I rejoice that he found his mojo last September and will take a combating stance toward the GOP right up to the election, as he needs to.You know that I don't trust rightwingers and anything that he does that makes them nervous is going to make me smile. Of course, being the wrong color, he is going to be a point of contention anyway, so Obama just as well go into the street with guns blazing (figuratively). I stand with the President who has proved himself to be a responsible and prudent moderate, just left of center.

Your comment is appreciated, Cred2


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

JT, thanks for reading and providing a comment. So, what else is new? The gridlock is Washington is so great that even those having good intentions when elected find that the system snarls their every move. As you would, I would have to go with the lesser of two evils as a stark departure from business as usual is not likely to occur.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Mandy, thanks for dropping by and providing insightful comment. I don't know if I can agree about Ron Paul, his proposals are so far outside the mainstream that people are not ready for him yet. He represents in many ways the castor oil that America needs to take to get well. But, again who could coax you to take it?


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

I apologize, if my posts interrupted or discouraged any posts, Credence2.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

WOW, On the contrary, I wish you would read other articles and stir up the pot, discussions, even more. What do you think, am I any good? Thanks for being here!


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

Thanks. " What do you think, am I any good?"

In what sense? I'm not sure what you mean.

We're all Sorcerers' Apprentices when it comes to opinions and communication.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Just a presumption that you liked the article...


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

Oh yes and I voted up, btw.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Credence2

There is an explanation of why Obama's actions have been so radical.

Barak Obama A Muslim , Watch The Videos And See What You Think?

From the mouth of candidate Barack Obama 2008

http://crazyhorsesghost.hubpages.com/hub/Obama-Adm...


Sooner28 4 years ago

Wow Credence, looks like the delusional right-wing has found your page. Apparently Obama is a Muslim now!


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Sorry John, I do not consider Obama radical but on the contrary when dealing with the rabid right he has not been assertive enough, but now his mojo is back!


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Well, Sooner, I invite all comers. I will stack of the principles and approach of the progressive against that of the conservative, even the rightwinger, anytime. You want a good laugh, check out my Conservative Mindset 1, where I get into it with a rightwing dogfood sales lady over the tiresome bromide of Obama being a Muslim.

Thanks for visiting.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Credence2

HATE TO TELL YOU ALL that President Obama can't run on his record.TOO MUCH SPENDING AND NO JOBS

The Senator Coburn report '' WASTE IN GOVERNMENT'' http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/rightnow...

WASTE IN GOVERNMENT ALL IN THE RED

‘’ Back In Black’’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs

Since Obama took office in 2009, the country has lost 1.7 million jobs. Obama says he saved ( a joke)JOBS and created 2.7 jobs,he's 1.

7 short of breaking EVEN.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Sooner28

Barak Obama , I Am A Muslim!

The PRESIDENT , who does he represent?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw&feature...

WHO CAN WE BELIEVE TODAY?


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

Mr. Ewall, you have just moved the needle on my "Fanatical Zealot Meter" from "WingNut" to "Aluminum-Hat-Wearing & Certifiably Crazy."


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

I am not a member of the Tea Party, but looking at their stats they seem to be growing, funny how the left WANTS the dead and dust! The only movement dieing a quick and painful death are those idiot OWstreeters! Obama wont even talk about them now!


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Wizard Of Whimsy

DON'T BE SO HARD ON YOURSELF,and try to be nice once in a while.LOOK at the facts and the last 3 years of Obama and the Democrat's control of the government and the economy. Check it out,a post I just added to one of my hub's.

Today is Feb12, 2012 and the President and the Senate have yet to pass a 2012 budget. The last 3 years of the Obama administration, the Democrat controlled Senate under the leadership of Senator Reid (2007- today) has yet to pass a budget. A 2012 budget ,‘’cut, cap and balance’’ was passed by the newly elected (2010 election ) Republican House of Representatives in Feb 2011. The Democrat controlled Senate did not allow Senators to debate, amend or pass the House budget.

Recently a CBO REPORT projected that the budget year 2012 will again, as in the previous Obama Presidency years , have a $1 trillion plus deficit. Do we the people have a dysfunctional government?

Take note that the Democrats have had 2/3’s control of our government since Jan. 2007.

Credence2

Thanks for being so understanding.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

Jon, not to mention he just losts the Catholic vote, the same vote that pushed him over the edge last election! The leading faction of the Catholic church will in no way urge their congregation to vote this radical dictator back in office!


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

American Romance

My recent post regarding the ....''THE DIFFERENCES ''

Try to understand the difference between the government and the liberties of the people that we have under our Constitution. A law, when passed by Congress covers all of the people. For the President to select who the law covers is not his prerogative after the law is passed. It’s Congress’s power to amend the law if Congress so chooses. The President in our country is not a king or a dictator as yet to command the insurance companies to pay for the cost of the service at no co-pay. The private sector is capable of managing healthcare without government intrusion into the private market.

The Affordable Care Act ( Obamacare ) was passed using unconventional tactics, reconciliation. The act was passed by a super majority political party even when 64% of the people polled were not in favor. The bill is flawed and the public are not being told what is in the bill. Remember when Speaker Pelosi said, ‘’ we must pass the bill so that we can find out what’s in it ‘’. Congressional members voted on the bill without reading the bill, were not allowed to debate the bill or allow the bill to go to committees. That’s what Obama calls transparency in his administration. The private sector needs to find out more about how their government is being run!


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

John, I wasn't referring to myself on the meter, it was you whom I was referring — YOU seem ready for an aluminum hat and a certificate of delusional behavior.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

I don't know Jon, seems like your basic dislike of Obama as a radical colors any view that you might express regarding how the administration is running things. After you brought out the Fox stuff about his being a confessed Muslim and the balled up fist, reminiscent of the 1960's. You remind me of Newt and his Kenya colonialism psycho-talk in regards to the president. You lack credibility, you can twist information around any way you wish. But bar an explosive of a nuclear device, I am a democrat and unless the earth decides to reverse direction as to how it orbits the sun, such I shall remain.

You will have to do much better.


Sooner28 4 years ago

We gotta keep fighting for Obama Credence. The GOP looks weak right now, but as the election gears up, it's going to get tighter. Glad to have you on my side!


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Well, AR, not so fast, Obama has outmanuvered the Right once again. So let the issue become whether women have the right to contraceptives period. That is what you rightwingers are heading for in this discussion and in that mode, you will lose. Let the American people see the Political right its rightful role as part and parcel of the Spanish Inquisition, the 17th century witch hunts and all of that. We progressive welcome the opportunity to discredit you once again with your new heir apperant, Fred Flintstone (Rick Santorum). We have an easy fight licking the right for its 19th century view of womans rights. We are ready for the fight so, bring it on!!


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Well, Sooner, I am with you on that, the forces of reaction continue to be on the march to lie, distort information in the interest of retaining a status quo that does and continue to benifit the chosen few over the many.

The enemy is well funded, diabolical and ruthless in doing what ever is necessary to attain their goal. We have to remember that rightwingers always hit under the belt as a matter of course, leaving the progressive stunned that the other side can dismiss the rules of decorum so easily.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Credence2

the mainstream media is silent about the economy, have you noticed?

The Senator Coburn report '' WASTE IN GOVERNMENT'' http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/rightnow...

WASTE IN GOVERNMENT ALL IN THE RED

‘’ Back In Black’’ The obama’s stash, do not touch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

Cred, Not one Republican has said they want to take away birth contro from women, They simply do not want it forced down religious factions throats, As usual the Dems use scare tactics to misconstrue the truth!


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

Hi Credence - Excellent Hub, well written as usual. Funny, there were so many supportive and like-minded comments at first, I thought the right wing folks had disappeared, but apparently not. :)

I know it is way past the Florida election now, but I was sure you were right and your brother had miscalled it in terms of Newt and Romney. I wonder why Newt hangs on, unless its to position himself fro some other position (not the president) or cement his reputation as one of the "older wiser republicans" who get paid small fortunes to go on the lecture rounds.

Or maybe he is still in the race to enhance his prestige as a lobbyist. Oh, I forgot. Newt explained that he was not a lobbyist - he was a consultant. Talk about a man who plays with words and the truth. I have never understood his appeal.

Speaking of Georgia where I live. A lot of our population is concentrated in a few large cities and their large surrounding suburbs(Atlanta primarily). But large sections of middle and south Georgia are fairly rural, sparsely populated, and to some extent backwards.

Again, thanks for a great Hub.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Jon, are you one of those people that believe the only credible media is from Faux news?


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

I hear you AR, No GOP would dare say it as it is political suicide. But when you listen to Santorum you can clearly see that that is what he wishes even though he cannot impose it. What about the GOP candidates pledge to support a constitutional amendment banning abortion even for women who have been the victims of rape and incest. That the real GOP, they have been covering this up, but I will bring it out. Constitutional protections for religion does not extend to their doing business in the public square. As for the this issue, it too will pass and Obama will win next fall because the GOP have no credible candidates to oppose him and of course, I am delighted Thanks Cred2


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, phdast7, Newt is counting on rising again in the South during the contests there next month. But I think Santorum will cut into that expectation substantially. Santorum is now non-Romney candidate of choice that will attract the conservative electorate there. Santorum is the true conservative without all of Newt's baggage. Newt is staying on now based on pure ego-power.

Hey, when you refer to backwards, what does that mean in your region? Is it the lack of education? I am just curious what do they do or support that shows them in that light. From other parts of the country, being rural does not necessarily mean being backwards, why is it true there? Just curious.... Thanks for reading and providing your insightful comment, Cred2


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Credence2

CHECK THIS DEBATE !12/04/11

Key Lawmakers on Extending Payroll Tax Cut

Sens. Coburn, Conrad on 'Fox News Sunday'

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/inde.../v/1309416477001/key-lawmakers-on-extending-payroll-tax-cut/?playlist_id=86913

ON 'MEET THE PRESS'' SUNDAY VAN HOLLEN VS RYAN

should be a good bebate (both sides of the coin )

Pay-Go Law OBAMA SOMEHOW FORGOT THE MEANING

2/13/10

President Barack Obama is hailing PAYGO legislation PAYGO compels new spending not add to the federal deficit. http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&...

Barak and the Dems

PROMISE BENEFIT and pay for later $830 billion increase THAT’S NOT HOW PAY-GO WORKS


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

Hi Credence - I certainly hope Santorum cuts into the anticipated vote for Gingrich. Newt definitely has too much baggage and too much ego. We do not need either of them.

When I say backwards, referring to rural Georgia, I mean uneducated and perhaps more parochial. I have taught hundreds and hundreds of city kids and country kids, and I do see a difference, although of course there are exceptions to every generalization.

High Schools in rural counties do not seem to be very rigorous, which I think is usually the result of inadequate funding (and maybe also because there is less emphasis on academics and college prep courses if you expect most of your young people will stay to work on the farm.

My definition of backwards is about a lack of education. I do not believe that farmers or rural people are any less smart or capable; its a matter of access and of what is presented to them in their school systems.

Parochial of course means parochial. Less exposure to diverse and different people, religions, politics, social groups, work environments, and so forth. Lack of exposure to the broader world seems to limit many young people.

Hope that made sense. I would be interested in how you see all this.


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feenix 4 years ago

Hey, Cred,

It is no secret around here that I have a very low opinion of both Santorum and Gingrich.

Furthermore, I believe that those two have already stripped away any chance that the Republicans had so far as unseating Obama.

And even though I am the "most conservative black man in America," I could never bring myself to support either one of those individuals for President of the United States.

That is because if I ever supported Gingrich, that would be the same as my supporting the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan for president -- and if I ever supported Santorum, that would be the same as my supporting Howdy Doody for president.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thanks Jon, if I have a minute, I will tune in.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hey, thanks for your reply phdast7, I have visions of Little Abner, or the pulp ficiton of the Eskine Caldwell novels. I have to come down that way sometime and take a look around...


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thanks for dropping by, Feenix. You know, Santorum does look a bit like the 'Howdy Doody' character. Many of our younger audiences may be unaware of who it was. But if Mitt screws up in Michigan, you can very well expect that Santorum will have a leg up toward the nomination.

I guess that it will be "howdy doody" time and time for any credible threat to Obama's reelection to come to an end.


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feenix 4 years ago

Hey, Cred,

If Santorum does win the Republican nomination, I will not be writing any hubs about the presidential campaign.

I will start publishing recipes for such dishes as hot-water corn bread, shrimp gumbo, New Orleans-style red beans and rice, and stuff like that. ;-)


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

That ok Feenix, I am partial to the art of fine food in the city where it all started. It reminds me of my visit to the "Big Easy". You have got my mouth watering just thinking about it.


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feenix 4 years ago

Cred,

As a matter of fact, I am having gumbo for supper tonight. Late yesterday, I prepared a great-big pot of that "N'Awlin" dish.

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