Open Letter to Mr. Jose Vargas

Fraud by any other name is still Fraud

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Jose Vargas: "Undocumented Immigrant"

**Most of you will recall this week that Mr. Jose Vargas, a Pulitzer winning journalist with the Washington Post, revealed he is an "undocumented immigrant." You can read about his coming out party HERE. You can read his remarkable journey to this country and his trials and tribulations HERE. It is a triumphant of sorts that he won a Pulitzer for his reporting on the Virginia Tech shootings in 2008, but for all the wrong reasons.


Dear Mr. Jose Vargas,

You stated on your site, Define American, it is time for an honest debate in this country about immigration. Further, you stated there are approximately 11 million illegal aliens (well, you used "undocumented immigrants....I'll deal with that later). That estimate was used back in the early 80s when Ronald Reagan was President. It was later revealed that it was actually 3 million at that time. All 3 million were eventually granted amnesty by President Reagan by what he thought would be a one time deal and an end to illegal immigration to this nation. He later regretted that decision. Let's not quibble over estimates. I feel it is closer to 30 million illegal aliens in this country. But, let's meet in the middle at 20 million, shall we?

Let me also congratulate you on winning the Pulitzer. That is a great achievement for a journalist. However, let's examine the road you took to get there, Mr. Vargas. First, you were brought here by a man you thought was your uncle. As it turns out, he was a "coyote" from the Philippines. You were all of 12 years old at the time. From that time onward, you lied, you cheated, your grandparents obtained false documents for you to remain in this country illegally. These are words straight from your site, Mr. Vargas. You did not obtain a college education at taxpayer expense, according to your story on your site. I'll take your word at that. I still find it difficult to believe you did not have some sort of federal grant. But, we'll let that go for now. You stated you had obtained a scholarship to go to college to study journalism. You used false documents to obtain a drivers license, to obtain employment in this country, Mr. Vargas. Now, by coming out that you are an illegal alien, you want to make it your mission in life to help all illegals in this country.

You stated time and time again that you had great remorse by lying about and obtaining false documents in order to stay in this country, Mr. Vargas. You will have to excuse me if I tend to disbelieve your remorse. This country which enabled you to obtain an education, to obtain employment opportunities that you otherwise would never have had, you now show this country your gratitude by helping others like you? You now want to help the children of illegal aliens in this country obtain citizenship so they can now compete with 15-18 million unemployed Americans? Yes, let's discuss those unemployed Americans, Mr. Vargas. Let's discuss people who have paid taxes all their lives so illegals, such as you, who are able to have free access to medical, education and employment opportunities. Where is your "remorse" for these people, Mr. Vargas? Where is your "remorse" for the legal residents, the people who got in line and did things the right way? Does your infinite compassion extend to these people or is it just those who are illegally in the United States of America? A difficult question for you, Mr. Vargas. I don't expect you to answer. That would reveal the fallacy of your position on helping those illegally in this country.

Mr. Vargas, what American or legal resident did you deny a job during your life? What American student did you deny that scholarship which enabled you to start your journey of lies and deceit? Have you thought about those people at all, Mr. Vargas? How can you and other illegals like you expect Americans to have a honest debate on illegal immigration until you come to grips with the fact you break our laws? Every day you are here, you are breaking federal law. If Barack Obama wasn't President, you would have been arrested this week. As it stands, you are in good company with President Obama. He has no regard for laws in this country, just as he has no regard for the United States Constitution. So, it appears you are birds of a feather with our esteemed President. You may say you have not even had a speeding ticket since you illegally entered this country. But, if you got a speeding ticket, would you even acknowledge it? It appears that illegals only obey the laws that they deem necessary to keep them in this country. How about if I decided not to pay federal income taxes? I don't like that law. But, you know what would happen to me if I didn't pay, Mr,. Vargas? I would go straight to a federal penitentiary. I would be an illegal taxpaying American. In fact, put "illegal" in front of any word except "immigrant" and people on both sides of the political spectrum would probably be in agreement. Put illegal in front of "immigrant" or "alien" and people faint dead away in grief.

Do you feel, as La Raza apparently does, that the USA should be a borderless territory that anyone can come into and reap the benefits of living here? That is what this country is on the verge of becoming due to the huge influx of illegals in this country, Mr. Vargas. The starting point, of course, is the much beloved and defeated Dream Act that is like a curse upon this nation. It's not enough that the 15-18 million unemployed Americans have to contend with a dwindling pool of jobs. Now, people like you want to introduce about 3 million children of illegal aliens into that competition that so many unemployed Americans face daily. The Dream Act. Yes, that action that would give illegals a discount on instate tuition, a chance to keep their illegal parents in this country without fear of deportation and, of course, making them instantly eligible for social benefits that are in the process of going bankrupt. My question to the illegals in this country; once you have drained us dry of everything we have, where will you go? Now, that sounds like hyperbole to you, Mr. Vargas. But, if you keep up with the news, you know Medicare and Social Security are going broke, thanks in no small part to illegals taking advantage due to anchor babies.

So, now, you still want to help those 11 million or 20 million or even 30 million illegals on a path to citizenship, Mr. Vargas? You had a rough path to where you are now, Mr. Vargas. I give you that. But, your mother made that decision for you when she put you on that flight to this country. I have no sympathy for you. None sir. You could have done like so many legal residents have done countless times in this country. You could have done the right thing by going back to the Philippines and trying again as the lawyer advised. But, now you come out and wear your status of an illegal alien as if it were a badge of courage. You expect people to honor you as a result. Yes, I have seen the narcissistic dolts on Twitter and on other social sites praising you. But, like so many mindless liberals, they think with their emotions, not with their pea-sized brains. They see only one side of the story of illegal immigration in this country. I have not even touched on the environmental impact in the southwest or the "jobs that Americans won't do"fallacy that the open borders crowd likes to perpetuate. In fact, nothing I say here will make any difference to you, sir. You say it is time for honest debate on immigration. Honest debate to you and others like you is when someone agrees with your open borders positions. Until you can see both sides of the coin, your request for honest debate will be as dishonest as your using false social security cards and a drivers license in this country. In short, your request for honest debate on immigration is disingenuous at best.

If you are truly remorseful, Mr. Vargas, why not turn yourself in for using false documents at the state and federal level. That would prove you truly are trying to redeem yourself. But, let's take it a step further. If you are truly remorseful, you could go around the country and meet with the many unemployed Americans at state unemployment offices and apologize to them for your actions. If you are truly remorseful, go to campuses at universities and tell them what you did was wrong, deceitful and filled with lies. Go to your employer, who you obviously lied to on your job application and resign immediately. Finally, reject any rights to the Pulitzer you illegally won, Mr. Vargas. There is precedent for this happening before (seems it was at the Washington Post also). If you are truly remorseful, then and only then can there be honest debate on the immigration issue, Mr. Vargas. But, for now, your words for honest debate ring hollow.

I'm sure the lemmings on the Left will quickly rise to the occasion to defend you as vociferously and as crudely as they are so noted for doing. You made the comment on Twitter you did nothing heroic or brave. You stated you did what was right. I agree with you on the first part, Mr. Vargas. But, on the second part, you simply did nothing right. What difference is there between you and other illegals in this country? The difference is that you made the most of your illegal immigration status. The fact you stated you did what was "right" tells me that you are not a man with the integrity that others are so foolishly applauding. There can never be honest debate on immigration while you and others like you believe you did what was "right." You took advantage of this country. Define American, Mr. Vargas? The majority of Americans don't go out of their way to break the law every day of their lives in the USA. Your mere presence, along with 11, 20 or 30 million illegal aliens, is proof you have no respect for the law of this nation. You are not a hero. You are not brave. You are an opportunist. If you can live with that, then you should have no remorse when you go to help others (as you have already stated you will) like you in the future. But, you are not an American, Mr. Vargas. Not by any stretch of the definition you wish to use.

Sincerely,

David

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wba108@yahoo.com 4 years ago from upstate, NY

One of the main reasons for the success of the American experiment is that we are a country of the "rule of law and not the rule of man". When someone is exalted and even encouraged to break the law because of some fuzzy idea of justice or any other reason, the foundation on which America rests is threatened!

As you stated in Mr. Jose Vargas is sincere in his regret for breaking our nations laws and disrespecting this country he sure isn't showing it!


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

Matt,

To begin with, there are very few anti-immigration Americans. What there are, are anti- illegal immigration Americans. We have laws in America, just as I'm sure you do in Europe. When those laws are broken and ignored, you have a breakdown in society. Explain to me why America should not enforce its own immigration laws, and to protect our borders. Every country in the world does this. If the USA does it, then it is racist according to the holier-than-thou Europeans. Yes, there is a large Latin vote. But, eventually, they are going to have to respect all our laws, not just the ones they feel benefit them. I for one disagree with the generational theory that Latins will be the dominate population. To many variables to consider this far in advance.

Show me a developed country that automatically grants citizenship to those who come illegally across its borders. I'll give you the answer...the USA. But, the 14th amendment to the Constitution was not intended for this. It was intended for slaves at the time, not illegals steaming across our borders to take advantage of social services and the few jobs left in this country. You might want to read up a bit on our history before condemning us all as anti-immigration. We are anti-against those breaking our laws.


matt 5 years ago

The great thing about this all is you anti-immigration Americans are fighting a losing battle. Both sides of politics in America are beholden to a large Latin vote and within a generation or so these concerns will be irrelevant. Probably like the US.

The use of anchor baby was probably going a bit far. Birthright citizenship is one of the things that makes America great, and makes immigrants adopt their new nation as their children are American. Compare with 3rd generation Turks in France or Germany who are still marginalised and feel entirely detached from their place of reidence.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

I realize Carter was not President material but I loved that man and I still do. He was as honest as the day was long and I think none going in really know what is what exactly and he had a congress fighting him too I believe didn't he? Presidents surely have advisers and apparently he didn't and how was it his fault we had a bunch of crappy helicopters, planes, whatever it was. I always really hated that for him because I am sure he cared and still does, for this country.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

Polly,

Inasmuch as I disliked W, I disliked John McCain even more. Therefore, I guess you could say my vote was a throwaway vote because I voted for the Constitutional Party candidate (I can't even remember his name now). But, voting for Obama was not an option. I personally thought he would be a liberal in the same mode of Jimmy Carter. Carter was a right-wing radical compared to Obama.

We have had two cases of TB in Alabama since January. TB was supposedly stamped out. Contrary to what mikelong says, our illegal immigration problem in Alabama is approaching the level of that of Georgia which has even more illegals than Arizona now. I don't know that those two TB cases were illegals. But, it wouldn't surprise me if it were. We have a right to enforce our borders, just as Mexico enforces their borders. You sneak into Mexico illegally, you spend two years in prison. I wish we had their immigration policy in place.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

I guess I never said it here but yes, I ran out as fast as I could to vote for Obama because of Bush and Cheney, and I felt Cheney was running that show. Obama seemed so nice, so quiet, and I didn't realize until it was too late it was his only chance to get elected and I could not stand Palin!

This Mr Vargas, CAIRS, drug runners, Americans being killed, states not allowed to protect themselves, a woman from Texas told me they have a clinic set up just for illegal with TB and keeping it low key, and then all the other diseases from them and Asia illegals too, how can anyone possible bring us out of this?


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

Polly,

I never would have guessed in a million years you were a Democrat! Actually, I was a Democrat as a young man. But, then I matured, I grew up and got smarter. I didn't care for either Bush. But, as bad as they were, they weren't in the same league with Obama. Obama has an agenda. Some say he is determined to have the USA economy default so the American people COMPLETELY become dependent upon their federal government. That is what happened in the Soviet Union. Socialism has never worked. Obama has not figured that out yet.

Back to topic...I notice on Twitter that Jose Vargas answers everyone who praises him as "brave, and heroic." I was among the few (maybe the only one) who told him he was a criminal for what he did. He lied, cheated and provided false documents to stay in this country. Yet, he considers himself as much an American as you and I. He is American as those Mexicans cheering for Mexico in the soccer match against the USA Saturday. I'm tired of these people who reap the benefits of living here. But, diss our culture and our way of life. MR VARGAS, be a man and speak to someone who is criticizing you!!! Anyone that wants to get his attention, just praise him on Twitter at @joseiswriting, his twitter username. He will quickly respond to that. He is a COWARD, not a hero.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

Yes I do know that and why can't everyone see what he is. I have for the most part been a Democrat but I am not a blind one! I don't want to see my country destroyed and die for the sake of political idolatry. I really liked the first Bush but not his son but then I read they all are a part of something that has to do with the One World Government thing and voting for a third party is like giving a vote to Obama so I can only hope and pray there is a Republican out there they can round up who is not a crook or has a part in some secret agenda.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

Polly, you know the IRS informed CAIR that they had lost their tax exempt status, right? CAIR spokesmen now are screaming discriminatuion despite other organizations losing their tax exempt status also.

Obama is the most dangerous president in American history. Not even Nixon, in his most insane moment, cast as long a shadow of danger to this country. I'll say this...if The Anointed One is reelected, turn out the lights. He will be unrestricted because he will not have to worry about a reelection. The real Obama will come shining through...the Obama that the socialists have been waiting for.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

Well it may be getting off the subject somewhat but if you can I would like to know how Obama is getting by with rubbing elbows with terrorists such as this CAIRS guy, who got Franklin Graham disinvited on the prayer thing? Just every day I can't believe my eyes or ears, and if it was humanly or financially possible I would leave this country and I am quite sure most politicians will for sure, or to those glamorous underground mansions, like the one they had in WV years back. There are terrible times coming to us and so many just laugh it off, it astounds me they are such idiots. What more has to happen to open peoples eyes? Obama laughs in our face as we try to warn the idiots or try to get them to think about it!


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

Polly,

The funny thing about this whole "heroic, brave" coming out party by Jose Vargas; if Barack Obama isn't president, he would not dare acknowledge he is illegal. He is saying that he felt the it is "the right thing to do" now. BS on that. He came out now because he knows he has a friend in the White House. In fact, in the lead up to another vote on the Dream Act, I expect Obama to invite Jose Vargas to the White House for another photo op for passing an amnesty aka Dream Act.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

mkielong,

Please tell me what the hell does it matter if illegal immigration is a problem in Mobile, Alabama or not? What does that have to do with the problem of illegal immigration in this country? The last time I checked, Alabama and Florida were both in the United States of America, not colonies of the Northern Republic of Mexico...last time, I checked that is. It is only a matter of time before illegal aliens come to Mobile to "bless us" with their presence. The largest steel mill (Thyssenkrupp) in the world is just now operating at 50% capacity. They are on the way...

You really need to do a little research on Jefferson. He was an anti-Federalist (later the Democratic Party). As such, he was a big believer in states rights. Jefferson would have supported Arizona's (and now Alabama) illegal immigrant enforcement bill.

I realize you will consider this anecdotal evidence (illegals taking American jobs), but do you recall what happened in George Bush's last year in office? ICE raided the Hormel Meat Packing Plant in Nebraska. I forget the exact number of illegals arrested. But, it was in the dozens for sure. You know what happened after that, Mike? The next day, job applicants were wrapped around the plant waiting for a chance at a job. I wonder how many would do the same today if only given a chance.

I am not going to address each one of your points in support of illegals being good for the economy. They have taken over construction, landscaping, and the service industries. At one time, Americans did those jobs. It is nonsensical to think illegals are not hurting Americans job-wise and social services as well. How many illegals do you think are in prison today due to crimes committed? How many have killed Americans, only to sneak back into Mexico to avoid capture? You want to see the true cost of illegals in this country? Let's just go back 15 years. http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&... Imagine what that cost is 15 years later. As if last year, the cost was $113 billion http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-c...

No, American immigration ENFORCEMENT is a joke. We have an immigration policy on the books after the Reagan Amnesty in the early 80s (that worked so well, didn't it?). Again, it is called the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. We don't have a "broken immigration system." We have a broken immigration enforcement system perpetuated by both Bush presidents, Clinton and, of course, The Anointed One.

You come up with the same sad solutions as most liberals. In your subjective world, if you believe it strongly enough, then it must be true. If you believe illegals are hard working, contributors to society, obeying the law, outstanding non-citizens, then it must be true. If you would do just a cursory check of the facts, you would discover the complete fallacy of your argument.

I simply don't understand the logic of the open borders crowd. Every single country in the world considers it their sovereign right to enforce their borders...except one. At some point, logic dictates we can't take care of all the indigent in Latin America, China, The Philippines, and on and so on. We simply can't do it. I see you spend little time talking about border enforcement. That speaks volumes about not only your mindset, but the mindset of the one-world philosophy of progressives. At some point, the wrong people are going to come into this country (if they have not already). The people not supporting border enforcement are going to pay for this thoughtlessness, including the likes of the Hispanic Caucus in Congress. They want no border enforcement. We live in a world where people want to destroy this country. I thought 911 was our wakeup call. I can see, not only from your thoughts on illegal immigration, but the thoughts of "heroes" such as Jose Vargas, believe that border enforcement is discriminatory. Free for all of immigrants to come here for jobs and the benefits of living in this country.

Mike, take a few moments and speak to the 15-18 million unemployed Americans who you, along with Mr. Vargas, seem to ignore. Tell them how allowing MORE immigrants into the country will create more jobs. Tell them these immigrants will not take jobs intended for them. Tell them that a mass amnesty for 30 million illegals will not affect Social Security, Medicare or the education of their children. Tell them illegals are good for the economy. Tell them that a mass amnesty for illegals is also good for national security.

Take your time...I'm sure the American people, who have been searching for a good job for YEARS, are waiting on you.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

One place they work I applied for at less than half what they are being paid a couple years back. And they get plenty of overtime.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

The facts are no matter what anyone says, illegal is illegal and that is the way it has always been, now it is only true for the ones who have held this country together and supported illegals until there is no hope for tomorrow, OUR money is no more that WE put there for US. This government is suppose to be by and for the people, meaning citizens only, yet it is an ignorant joke..just like you.


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mikelong 5 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

I am sure that you all here can easily identify the "illegals" around you...

Having lived in Pensacola, and having spent a lot of time in Mobile, I know very well that your "problems" in Alabama are farcical..

Jefferson has been done no disservice....in fact, I think he would agree with me...

As opposed to coming and taking "American jobs"....for a large percentage, they have enabled the creation of jobs that otherwise would not have existed...

I reiterate, American immigration policy is a joke...

As long as you have money to grease the corrupted levers of power, one is not welcome.. Of course...that is the official line used by "conservatives"...and then we find that they are themselves exploiting these men, women, and children..

Knowing the adversity that the United States is facing, especially with the Baby Boom generation retiring and dying out, I realize that we need as many young men and women as we can get... As I say this I am thinking of the undocumented student from UCLA studying aerospace engineering... How few of them we have studying in our schools for use domestically, as opposed to gaining an education and returning to another nation...

Another friend of mine who was undocumented (she now has status) is finishing her nursing credential...

Polly, your statements are ludicrous... Please, point out some documentation to back up your claims...

Unless you have checked the immigration status of the people you are creating out of thin air, you have no clue who they are or where they come from...

Your birther tripe emphasizes the obviously ignorant world that you live in... How sad...

As for American Romance,

http://aad.english.ucsb.edu/services.html

http://gopallawgroup.com/immigration-blog/explodin...

"MYTH #1. ILLEGAL ALIENS TAKE AMERICAN JOBS.

Not so. For the most part, illegal aliens work jobs Americans simply do not want. Those jobs include farm workers, janitors, chambermaids, busboys, dishwashers, gardeners, nannies and household domestics. Those are not the careers Americans seek. The jobs Mexicans perform in the U.S. are usually minimum wage with no benefits. They do the lousy, back-breaking work Americans can but refuse to do.

MYTH #4. ILLEGAL ALIENS DON’T CONTRIBUTE TO THE U.S. ECONOMY; THEY JUST COME HERE TO GET ON WELFARE.

Not even close. Illegal aliens contribute immensely to the U.S. economy. They work hard and perform the essential jobs that are vital to keeping the U.S. economy moving forward. They pay taxes and consume goods-from cars and gas to groceries and houses – and buy services which, in turn, benefits those U.S. citizens selling those goods and services.

As for illegal aliens signing up for welfare, U.S. law strictly prohibits those here illegally from obtaining welfare, food stamps or any other type of public assistance.

MYTH #6. ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR A DISPROPORTIONATE PERCENTAGE OF CRIME.

Not true. Numerous reputable studies have shown that the problem of crime in the United States is not caused or even aggravated by immigrants, regardless of their legal status. Over the past few years, when someone is arrested the first question they are asked by the police after their name and address is, “Where were you born?” If the answer to that question is not “U.S.A.” the Border Patrol is automatically contacted and the person, if undocumented, is immediately placed into the deportation process. As a result, undocumented individuals have a very high incentive to not break the law."

http://blog.chron.com/immigration/2008/01/illegal-...

"MYTH #3: The nation spends billions of dollars on welfare for undocumented immigrants.

FACTS: To the contrary, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive any “welfare” benefits and even legal immigrants are severely restricted in the benefits they can receive.

As the Congressional Research Service points out in a 2007 report, undocumented immigrants, who comprise nearly one-third of all immigrants in the country, are not eligible to receive public “welfare” benefits — ever.

Legal permanent residents (LPRs) must pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems for approximately 10 years

before they are eligible to receive benefits when they retire. In most cases, LPRs can not receive SSI, which is available only to U.S. citizens, and are not eligible for means-tested public benefits until 5 years after receiving their green cards.

A 2007 analysis of welfare data by researchers at the Urban Institute reveals that less than 1 percent of households headed by undocumented immigrants receive cash assistance for needy families, compared to 5 percent of households headed by native-born U.S. citizens.

A 2007 analysis of U.S. Census data by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities makes clear that it is the U.S.-born, U.S.-citizen children of undocumented immigrants who are eligible for programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program

(SCHIP). The analysis found that, between 1995 and 2005, the share of low-income, non- citizen immigrant children (either undocumented or legally present) who received Medicaid or SCHIP dropped from 36 percent to 30 percent."

There is much more to be said...and I probably will be saying it here in the near future...


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

It didn't make it in for some reason but I also asked has anyone noticed the clothing styles at Wal-mart? They know who has the money to spend so need to please.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

Well I think if anyone would someone from Social Services could tell you illegals are getting medicaid, food stamps, medical and a check. I know it for a fact and I also know where they work while getting it and where they live in free housing. I can tell you citizens are having to cut back while illegals fill their buggies so high it take 2 or 3 to get it to their new Vehicles, dressed to kill with jewelery dangling. My small bag watching what I spend always cost $30, it boggles my mind to even guess what their purchase price was! Now I notice the children shopping and buying like there is no tomorrow. I also know there is much about their drug stuff the cops just turn away from. I don't know the whys and hows but I know it is happening and David is right it won't just be us to go down pretty soon...when it is all gone it is gone. Uncle Obama will just move back to Kenya when it is all over.


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American Romance 5 years ago from America

Mikelong,

You are wrong about the "no way to get financial aid bit" Illegals come here and use others social security numbers on a frightning level to obtain jobs, welfare etc. They also sneak accross the border by the thousands to have their babies for free "or tax payer expense" because our laws forbid us from turning them away! Call any hospital in DelRio or Elpaso Texas to confirm this! Citizens have rights , non citizens have should have NO rights untill they come here to become legal contribution Americans! The immigrants of today are far different than those who came here years ago! Those from years past kissed the ground and vowed to be Americans! ..........today they have no desire to better themselves but to HELP themselves to taxpayer funded entitlements!


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

mikelong,

Somehow, I don't think Thomas Jefferson was speaking directly to the question of what to do with 20-30 million illegal aliens "...moving from one place to another without limitation and molestation is considered an inalienable right...." I sincerely doubt Thomas Jefferson was referring to people who willfully broke federal law (of which he was a big advocate) by "moving" from one country to another country (the USA) illegally as an "inalienable right." Illegals have no more right to be in this country illegally than I do in Australia, Mexico, Russia or any other country that protects its borders. Here is another quote from a U.S. President:

"In the first place we should insist that the immigrant who comes here in 'good faith' becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equity with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming an American and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt in a letter to the American Defense Society in 1919.

Two key words in that quote are "good faith." I think you can figure out why President Roosevelt put that disclaimer in there. He foresaw the day when illegal immigration would be a problem for America, something that Thomas Jefferson did not when making the quote above.

My feelings about illegal immigration are most definitely relevant since I am the one who created this hub.

There is no way someone illegally in this country can LEGALLY get financial aid. All one really needs is a social security number, as Mr. Vargas is acutely aware.

The American dream does not consist of cheating, lying, providing false documents to achieve your goals in life. If that is your idea of the American dream, than we have different definitions.

Mr. Vargas took jobs that other Americans, just as quailified, could have certainly have done. Could they have done it as well as Mr. Vargas? I suppose we will never know the answer to that question.

Your continued quotes from Jefferson make a mockery of the entire issue of illegal immigration. Jefferson had no idea that illegal immigration would be the enigmatic problem it is in the 21st century. You are living in the era of Ellis Island when unrestricted immigration was not a problem. Today, with our economy in shambles, jobs as scarce as ever before since the Great Depression, illegal immigration is a problem that affects every facet of American society. To continue to welcome those who illegally drain social services, who take jobs from Americans is beyond incredulous. It is absurd, sir.

American immigration policy is broken, I agree. But, the problem lies with not enforcing the immigration policy we have on the books (Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_an... We are not in need of more workers in this country. We are in need of more jobs for American citizens and legal residents. That is what we need.

The DREAM Act benefits who? It gives instate tuition to children of people who broke the law, it gives them the right to hold their parents in this country without fear of deportation and the right to apply for social services on their own. Explain how the Dream Act is beneficial to Americans as a whole? I don't want an emotional response, but one based on fact, please. And, we finally agree on something....the illegal employers who exploit the illegal alien issue to their benefit. There should be MASSIVE penalties laid down for these companies. But, guess what? Your position is at odds with many of the open borders crowd.

Americans who buy drugs imported from Mexico are contributing to the destabilization of that country. I understand that. However, because of what a few do, should we then allow millions and millions of illegals into this country because of what some fools are doing? Why should we, as a nation, be made to suffer for the illegal drug dealings of some Americans? Do not fool yourself that illegal aliens are contributing to the drug problem as well. Bringing the illegal immigration issue up as a whole is not demonizing those that illegally cross our borders. I realize there are many facets of this issue. But, it is illegal aliens who are the face of the problem. Illegal immigration has to be stopped. It won't be stopped by the current resident in the Oval Office. He has his reasons for that, I'm sure.

My entire hub was not to "deride" Mr. Vargas. I saw the many people praising him on Twitter and he was eating it up. What was not said is what I stated in this hub. There are two sides to a coin, just as there are to illegal immigration. I presented the side that Mr. Vargas chose to ignore. The damage that illegal immigration is doing to this nation can not be understated. Mr. Vargas chose not to address this side of the debate. Therefore, I decided to write about it for him. He wanted honest debate on immigration, I gave it.

Since you are fond of quotes, I leave you with this one from a most respected African-American citizen:

"Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave." "...for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process."--The late Barbara Jordan, Chair U.S. Commission on Immigration. Reform & Rep. D-TX.


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mikelong 5 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Prior to composing the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote the Rights of British America...

"Our ancestors... possessed a right, which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice, has placed them, of going in quest of new habitations, and of there establishing new societies, under such laws and regulations as, to them, shall seem most likely to promote public happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:185, Papers 1:121

The right to move from one state to another, from one place to another without limitation and molestation is considered an inalienable right....

While not mentioned directly in the Declaration of Independence....Jefferson did write "Man is endowed by his Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"...

"Among these"...

Your "feelings" about the number of undocumented immigrants are irrelevant...

There is no way for someone who is undocumented to get financial aid...

Mr. Vargas is a demonstration of the American Dream... He has found more success for himself than most legal Americans....

He didn't take an American's job...he earned his place...and a Pulitzer Prize...

"Shall we refuse the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall oppressed humanity find no asylum on this globe? The Constitution, indeed, has wisely provided that for admission to certain offices of important trust a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to every one manifesting a bona fide purpose of embarking his life and fortunes permanently with us?" --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:338

"It [has] been the wise policy of these states to extend the protection of their laws to all those who should settle among them of whatever nation or religion they might be and to admit them to a participation of the benefits of civil and religious freedom, and... the benevolence of this practice as well as its salutary effects [has] rendered it worthy of being continued in future times." --Thomas Jefferson: Proclamation, 1781. Papers 4:505

"America is now, I think, the only country of tranquility and should be the asylum of all those who wish to avoid the scenes which have crushed our friends in [other lands]." --Thomas Jefferson to Mrs. Church, 1793. FE 6:289

"[We wish] but to consecrate a sanctuary for those whom the misrule of Europe may compel to seek happiness in other climes. This refuge, once known, will produce reaction on the happiness even of those who remain there by warning their task-masters that when the evils of Egyptian oppression become heavier than those of the abandonment of country, another Canaan is open where their subjects will be received as brothers and secured against like oppressions by a participation in the right of self-government." --Thomas Jefferson to George Flower, 1817. ME 15:141

There is far more to the immigration debate than the isolated issue that this Hub focuses on...

American immigration policy is broken, and is biased towards those with wealth over those who actually need assistance...

The DREAM Act needs to be revived and passed...and a realistic immigration policy needs to be created..

If businesses are required by law to pay employees (regardless of legal status) the same rates and to provide the same benefits under penalty of legal punishment, then the undocumented immigrant demand will wain...

As long as companies can hide their willful actions....as long as they can use immigration status to keep their employees locked in fear, then there will be no change...

Demonizing the undocumented is something else entirely....

I consider those who do this to be political cowards....for they only prey on the weak, as opposed to facing the companies and their paid politicians who have created and exacerbated the imbalances that drive the immigration to begin with...

Don't turn a blind eye to what your American bretheren are doing outside of your borders to drive people here...

Why do you ignore the "pull"/"push" dynamic that is taking place?

Instead of analyzing the problem, why do you choose to deride someone who, against all odds, has found success?

If only you showed the motivation to address the larger systemic problems that are transpiring right before your eyes...

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