Open letter to Conspiracy Theorists

Adam Weishaupt

Adam Weishaupt. Bavarian Illuminati founder
Adam Weishaupt. Bavarian Illuminati founder

The Truth, Conspiracy Theory and Disinformation

Conspiracy theorists, such as David Icke, talk and write about some very bizarre ideas as fact. Their followers often accept what they are hearing as the truth, but what if a lot of this sort of material is actually only partially truthful and is really disinformation that deceives those who are exposed to it?

What if the purveyors of conspiracy theory are more concerned with selling books and DVDs than in revealing the truth? Are the leading lights of conspiracy research, the authors, lecturers and radio show hosts, not so much concerned with getting the truth out to the masses but more interested in how much money they can make?

Conspiracy Theory has been very well marketed to the billions of people searching for the truth about the mysteries of life in this universe and many of them believe this stuff. People want answers to why the world is in such a terrible mess. Conspiracy Theory authors and lecturers claim to be revealing hidden mysteries and exposing the evil-doers behind it all. Secret societies, Freemasons, a Shadow Government or sinister cabal, a Babylonian Brotherhood, and even alien Reptilian shape-shifters disguised as humans, all are held to blame.

But how many of the incredible claims being made and promoted as 'truths' by conspiracists are actually disinformation or outright lies? How much of what is being marketed as the truth is anything but? These questions need to be asked I am sure you will agree?

The Illuminati

The Illuminati has become a much-used label applied to a large number of people said to be the secret controllers of the world and members of a very sinister organisation. David Icke has used the term a lot in his books and talks, and members of the royal and elite families, political leaders like the American presidents and British prime ministers, religious leaders like the Pope and heads of global corporations and media, have all been reported to be members of the Illuminati.

The word Illuminati has become associated with evil but does such an organisation really exist? This is very debatable, although it certainly did many years ago.

Adam Weishaupt

Adam Weishaupt founded the original Bavarian Illuminati on 1 May, 1776, and of that there is no doubt. However, whether this order survived and continued until the present day is part of conspiracy theory belief and the evidence is debatable. Nevertheless the term Illuminati is now known to many members of the general public as well as conspiracy theorists.

Go back 20 years or even a decade and many people wouldn't have heard of the Illuminati but mainly due to conspiracy theorists the word is known to the masses. Of course, this neither proves or disproves the existence of such an organisation but rather it shows how popular conspiracy theories have become.

Contrails/chemtrails from the 1940s

Contrails from propeller-driven aircraft engine exhaust, early 1940s
Contrails from propeller-driven aircraft engine exhaust, early 1940s | Source

Chemtrails

Chemtrails are talked about by nearly all the 'movers and shakers' in conspiracy theory circles. For those who don't know what the word means, it refers to persistent contrails, which believers in the chemtrail conspiracy claim are part of an Illuminati plan to cull the human population and dumb us down by adding toxic elements such as barium and aluminium, as well as viruses, harmful bacteria and nano-particles even, into what is claimed is being "sprayed" out of aircraft. It is also said that chemtrails are used to modify weather and in "weather warfare."

What In The World Are They Spraying?

Countless videos exist on YouTube, and even a film now by G. Edward Griffin entitled What In The World Are They Spraying?, are circulated as evidence of the reality of these chemtrails. However, all of the visual images shown are of persistent contrails and cirrus or cirrocumulus cloud formations that can easily be explained by atmospheric science. These trails are nothing new and were in existence and photographed back in the 1940s, as is shown in the accompanying photograph here.

JazzRoc

I used to believe in this conspiracy myself until I was shown the errors in this belief system by my friend Tony Duncan aka JazzRoc three years ago. JazzRoc lost his account at YouTube and has since then been blocked from various Internet forums for arguing against the existence of chemtrails. It seems that if you do not choose to agree with the conspiracy theorists and their beliefs you are not welcomed. Not only that but ludicrous things are said about you, as I have witnessed.

If you claim that chemtrails do not exist but are in fact harmless contrails you can expect to be called a "CIA employee", a "shill" or "paid by the secret government". If, as I have done, you change your mind about this conspiracy theory, it is said that you have been "got at," "hypnotised", and that you have "gone back to sleep."

HAARP

Naturally occurring cloud formations and those created by aircraft contrails are often said to have been caused by HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Programme) and are said to be evidence of "weather modification." The term "boiled sky" has been used for cirrocumulus. This is the sort of nonsense circulated and believed in by chemtrail-believers.

Chemtrail-believers argue as avidly as any religious fundamentalist or member of a cult. They insist they are right, whilst at the same time refusing to look at hard evidence from accepted science. Chemtrail-believers prefer pseudo-science and taking the word of gurus of the conspiracy theory movement.

That the air would be poisoned just as much for the Illuminati who are said to be behind this sinister plot is conveniently ignored, as is the fact that it would be impossible for all the airlines of the world with all their trained staff not to have at least some people willing to speak out about this if it was real! That aluminium is one of the most widely distributed naturally occurring elements and is a constituent of clay as Aluminium silicate, is also not understood or accepted by those who believe in the chemtrail conspiracy.

David Icke and Alex Jones

David Icke and Alex Jones are probably the most famous conspiracy theorists of all with the largest numbers of followers and supporters of their work. Both Icke and Jones talk about how the Illuminati seek to control the populations of the world by staging "false flag" terrorism events and using the technique of "divide and rule" as a tool against the masses. They claim that a "climate of fear" is deliberately created and Icke goes as far as suggesting that the Reptilians feed on this fear induced in humans.

However, both are hypocrites because they add to the amount of fear with their alarmist statements, as well as stirring up biased hatred and division by suggesting that the elite families, such as the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, are Illuminati and evil. This creates an 'us and them' scenario with the conspiracy theorist followers of Icke and Jones versus those in the elite, who are often demonised as the Illuminati. Icke refers to the elite as Satanic Reptilian shape-shifters of the "bloodline families."

This is another example of the sort of nonsense that gets believed. Until I became a supporter and friend of adventurer and environmentalist David de Rothschild's I hadn't realised the hatred that is fuelled against members of very wealthy families based on nothing more than their surnames.

David has tried making a joke out of all this by saying maybe he should "get a new moisturiser" with reference to the crazy belief he is a Reptilian. He has to live with knowing that out in the world at large are a lot of people who do not know him but nevertheless hate him simply because of his surname and what they have read in a David Icke book or heard on an Alex Jones show. What a crazy situation that is.

Alex Jones apparently can charge a lot of money if you want to gain a lot of publicity from being on his show. This is something film-maker and author Chris Everard discovered and posted about at Facebook last year. Everard also had problems at the David Icke forums, despite having worked with Icke in the past.

All is not as it appears. David Icke's now former wife, Pamela Leigh Richards, even claimed in their divorce that her then husband had said he thought she was a Reptilan too. The story was reported in the Daily Mail.

Alan Watt debunks the Reptilian theory pt. 1

Arizona Wilder on Government Mind-Controlled Slaves and Reptilians, pt 1

Reptilians

David Icke is the most famous conspiracy theorist author and lecturer who talks about the idea that alien Reptilians known also as the Draco or Alpha-Draconis race of beings are at the top of the pyramid of control of this world and that they actually are behind the Illuminati. These beings are said to live in the fourth dimension as well as in this one where they are in the guise of human beings but can shape-shift into their 'true' identity. Icke explained all this in great detail in his book The Biggest Secret .

Stewart Swerdlow

Amongst those who helped convince him of the reality of these Reptilians were fellow conspiracy theory author and self-proclaimed survivor of mind control experiments at Montauk, Stewart Swerdlow, the ageing Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa and Jennifer Greene aka Arizona Wilder. Wilder claimed to have seen transformations occur in Satanic rituals whereby members of the Royal Family and others changed into giant lizards. She also admitted she was the victim of mind control and had had mental problems.

Alex Collier

What Icke fails to tell us is that many other people had been talking about the Reptilians too. Alex Collier, who claims to have been in contact with beings from Andromeda, talked of the Alpha Draconis alien Reptilians in his talks and in video interviews he gave to Rick Keefe. The problem is that Collier appears to be another fraud. He quoted the words of American writer Ralph Waldo Emerson but attributed them to one of his Andromedan friends. Collier stated that Vissaeus told him "The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry." Are we really supposed to believe they read Emerson in the Andromedan galaxy? More recently Collier has been reported as homeless and appealing for donations.

NEXUS Magazine

A ridiculous online heated argument developed at one point between David Icke and Duncan Roads the editor of NEXUS magazine. Icke had claimed that the late Sir Laurence Gardner was a Satanist and a Reptilian shape-shifter and had been witnessed in his non-human form by Stewart Swerdlow and Arizona Wilder. I have included a link to this in the section at the bottom of this hub.

Robert Morning Sky

None of these people who have been talking about the Reptilians ever mentioned that it was actually Robert Morning Sky who was first on about these reptile beings. He is reported to have said that in the late 1960s 'I submitted to my Religious Studies professor a thesis that summed up my three years of research. It was entitled "Terra Papers - Hidden History of Planet Earth." Within days, he had labelled it "a work of blasphemy and outrage!" It nearly got me thrown out of school.' Morning Sky has been found out to be neither a Hopi or an Apache that he has claimed to be, and once described himself as follows in LEADING EDGE 95:

"I am nobody. I am not a shaman, a medicine man, a guru, a channeler,
or a psychic. I am not an ex-intelligence officer from the CIA, the
NSA, the secret services or any other branch of any service. I am not
the reincarnation of an ancient being, an ancient deity or a heavenly
visitor. I have nothing to offer you in the way of credibility. I am
a nobody... and I like it that way."

Morning Sky states in his Terra Papers - The Hidden History of Planet Earth : "One of the oldest Star Races in this sector of the universe is the reptilian Ari-An which descended from dinosaur ancestors in the star system of Orion. Ruled by Queens, they created the most powerful empire in this galaxy. Ari-An warriors were unmatched for ferocity and bravery, and the Ari-An Empire was unmatched in power and size."

Note the similarity between "Ari-An" and Aryan!

Alan Watt

Controversial conspiracy theorist, Alan Watt has debunked David Icke's and others' idea that there are Reptilians. But in turn, Watt has run into problems himself with former followers who were not happy to find out about where his material came from.

Infighting and debunking

I remember a David Icke newsletter in which Icke was complaining about Watt who had suggested that Icke was a Freemason. This is an example of infighting which sadly casts a poor reflection on the fields of conspiracy theory, ufology and the leading authors and researchers in these circles.

Andre Anglin

In the meantime Andre Anglin who was running the Outlaw Journalism forums, and others who were using the site at the time, became aware that Watt had actually plagiarised the works of Glen Kealey. Confronted about this Watt became not just angry but threatening. The confrontation was preserved on the Internet.

Since this was written, Anglin has become an outspoken fascist and Nazi supporter in recent years.

Chris White and others who were regulars at Outlaw Journalism at the time were not happy with Michael Tsarion either and again, on being questioned about his material, the author also became belligerent and threatening. Simply Google these names and you will find the evidence.

Jane Burgermeister

Then in 2009, when there was all the fuss about Swine Flu, a woman called Jane Burgermeister came to fame very quickly because of her statements and actions regarding this. It was reported that she had filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and some of the highest ranking government and corporate officials over bio-terrorism. It was alleged they were attempting to commit mass murder in a human population cull using the Swine Flu vaccinations.

Project Camelot

Burgermeister was interviewed by Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan for Project Camelot, a site and organisation that was presenting 'whistle-blowers.' Just as rapidly she fell foul of a number of fellow conspiracy theorists though and there was talk of legal action. For some strange reason Burgermeister claimed that Christian Apostle JoAnne Cremer was running a Nazi cult and was a Satanist, even though the two had just been working together on getting info out about the Swine Flu vaccines. I witnessed some of what she had said posted on her blog. Cremer naturally wanted nothing more to do with Burgermeister.

Dr Bill Deagle, who was another Camelot interviewee, claimed that Burgermeister was a fraud and she responded by threatening to sue Jeff Rense, True Ott, Arthur Evangelista and Devvy Kidd for defamation of character. Rense made a public apology. As far as I know eventually it all blew over but it was very bad publicity for all involved.

Chris Everard

Film-maker Chris Everard, of the Enigma Channel and Feed Your Brain magazine, has accused Ian R. Crane of pirating his materials in order to sell them on. This appears to be a very fair criticism because how can Everard make money for his efforts if others steal what he has created?

Sadly, not everyone is happy with Everard's claims either though as can be seen if you research his name. Everard's films usually have footage he has copied from elsewhere.

Conspiracy theory is full of plagiarism, infighting and battles between rivals and their egos. Google most names who are famous as conspiracy theorists and you will soon find videos and websites debunking them and questioning the reality of their claims. It is a sorry state of affairs and enough to put any newcomer to these ideas off.

Matthew Williams Crop Circle Expose Pt1 of 5

Crop Circles and Matthew Williams

Even Crop Circles have been claimed to be nothing more than an elaborate hoax. I actually know Matthew Williams who has admitted that he is a crop circle-maker. In the year 2000, he was even arrested for doing this.

He has admitted too that he is not the best of the crop-circle-maker because there are others out there that produce more complex work and that he has done so too when he has been part of a team.

Matthew used to run a Truthseeker magazine and stage events with guest speakers in the ufology community many years ago and that is how I first came upon him .

Of course, many people in conspiracy theory and ufology believe that these mysterious circles are made by aliens or other-dimensional beings and that they convey messages to us in symbolism. Many other explanations have been put forward but the idea that they are made by humans has not gone down very well at all. People prefer to believe in aliens and paranormal forces as being behind their creation. What do you think is the truth?

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In conclusion

It is really a very great shame that so many people desperately searching for the truth have authors and public speakers to listen to who work in all sorts of sensationalist and alarmist material, not because it is true, but because it gets more attention. It is a sorry state of affairs indeed when leading lights in conspiracy theory research accuse the mainstream of being underhanded and in not dealing in the truth when they themselves are no better.

It appears to me, after many years of research and believing at times in much that is put forward, that conspiracy theory is no more trustworthy than the mainstream media it claims is controlled and corrupt.

Jordan Maxwell and other conspiracy theorists often suggest that we should do our "homework." I have certainly done mine and am finding I am losing interest in a lot of material I was once very interested in.

I know a lot about these subjects but cannot get on radio shows as a guest or to be interviewed for videos. I tried Coast to Coast AM many years ago and have tried Project Camelot too to see if they were interested in me with no response at all. Am I too truthful and not sensational enough in my claims?

I have moved onward. I think we need practical solutions to the world's problems and what we as individuals can do. I really don't think it helps any one to be worried about getting poisoned by chemtrails when you go outside or in believing that their political leaders are actually giant alien lizards disguised as humans!

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DavidParkes 4 years ago from Tenerife

Probably your best hub ever Steve. Great common sense approach!


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, David!


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PaulGoodman67 4 years ago from Florida USA

You clearly know your stuff, Bard. I tend to see the conspiracy theorists as preying on the gullible and vulnerable. Although, having seen the famous Wogan interview and the Jon Ronson documentary, I do suspect that Icke is more mad than bad.


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Illumind 4 years ago from Infinity

Beware of those claiming to have the truth.


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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Of course you need to do your homework, but these people open our minds to do so!

We all know something is wrong in this world...and it goes beyond "just bad people doing bad things".

We need new ideas to counter the "normal" ideas we are handed every day. And most people will just dismiss them anyway, and call you a fool.---but they have no problem believing a woman got pregnant by a spirit, or that a man, with help of spirit, parted the Sea....

People will find their own way--and usually when people are conning you----they eventually slip up.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your comments, Paul, Illumind and lovemychris!

lovemychris, for me very much of conspiracy theory has been caught out!


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wabond 4 years ago from England

The trouble is that there is genuine conspiracies out there, it is obvious what governments plan behind closed door, is not what is told to the public.

But the likes of David Icke give conspiracy theories a bad name, and undermine any attempt by people to highlight the devious behaviour of governments a big business.


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sparkster 4 years ago from United Kingdom

Excellent write-up bard, although I write a lot about conspiracy theories I always reiterate that many conspiracy theories of the past have turned out to have at least some truth to them.

I am currently working on exposing the UK's black projects which I have had the misfortune to experience 1st hand.

As for reptilians being in control of earth I personally believe this is just an attempt at creating a new one world religion in order to implement a one world government.

The new world is very real and has been discussed openly by politicians and government officials though truths seem to have become intertwined with conspiracy theories. I think the word illuminati has been applied to the people that are urging a new world order and one which they honestly believe would bring justice to the world - they plan to outlaw war if such a thing is even possible.

Crop circles I'm unsure about. Allegedly some of them show high levels of radiation and genetic tampering to the crops. I remember many cases of crop circles that happened well before the dates that hoaxers have admitted. Seems to also have been linked with cattle mutilation, ufos and cattle mutilation.

The lack of evidence to prove or disprove these theories is what strikes me as being so odd.

I believe in aliens and ufos because of my own experiences, not because of anything I have read.

But at the end of the day, greed will always be present and will always lead to deceit.

Are we being deceived? Who knows? But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your feedback, William and Sparkster!


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Davesworld 4 years ago from Cottage Grove, MN 55016

Promoting conspiracy theories can be very lucrative. People are gullible and for the most part scientific illiterates. With the right pitch and the right personality you can make a fortune selling this nonsense.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I agree with you, Dave!


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AdeleCosgroveBray 4 years ago from Wirral, Cheshire, England.

A sensible Hub about increasingly silly topics; besides, surely a "reptilian" would have turned up on an autopsy table by now. Oh, hang on, maybe they have but it's an world-wide conspiracy to hide away all the evidence... ;)


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

That's right, Adele, and the same reason goes for why no pilots or airline staff speak out about chemtrails because they are all afraid to because of their Illuminati masters who control it all in a massive operation worldwide! lol


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Illumind 4 years ago from Infinity

Are chemtrails and HAARP in the bible? Check out Genesis 9, 11-16 in particular. It is written that a "bow" and "cloud" replace the global flood as "punishment" for the human tendency toward violence. Perhaps such phenomenon are not necessarily man made, and caretakers of earth are just doing their job. If true, we should probably stop being so violent so we don't all choke to death on God's cloud. :)


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I fail to see how you can put chemtrails and HAARP in the Bible. It is obvious that the trails today are created by planes.


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Illumind 4 years ago from Infinity

I won't argue with your opinion. I wish you and beachcomber the best. :)


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you!


sean 4 years ago

good stuff...


Darrow 4 years ago

Very well balanced and informative, thank you. I would question Chris White as he has his own bible fear mongering agenda using equally manipulative tactics of his own he is equally a nasty in his responses to people who question him so I would say he is a hypocrit. Bergemeister was offered the usual Camelot bribe of money and publicity if she would endorse their own marketing ideas as her opinions and "insider knowledge", that is how they have so many people give the "appearance" of telling the same story independently but the truth is altogether more contrived. This is also why they will show no interest in your good self because there is nothing for them to make a profit selling books and DVD's from.

I should also say that I know Pamela very well and the news article was fabricated without her knowledge or agreement so perhaps a footnote clarifing this?

I have always said that the worth of what a person is saying can be judged by the reactions it produces in those who hear it. With these "Truth" gurus and "Love and light" it is abundently evident that all they achive is to make people bitter, divided and abusive just the same as any Cult out there and as always follow the money trail.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your feedback, Darrow! I am no fan of Chris White's Christian work but I included him here because he did have a go at exposing some well known names in conspiracy theory. Yes, it is another form of infighting but this time Christianity and the Cross versus the occult so to speak!


Infinite712 4 years ago

Very good, well said. Conspiracy theory is definitely a money making business.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your comments!


becca 4 years ago

I was feeling good about this article until they quoted the Daily Fail !!!


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Are you saying the story isn't true?


11-11 4 years ago

Sorry my friend, I really couldn't even read your article because whether icke or jones hate the rich doesn't change the fact that we are under control of the evil ones.

I pray for you and anyone that believes that there is no truth to conspiracy theories.

please watch the move Thrive on you tube to know the truth.


11-11 4 years ago

please stop posting articles like this, you only hurt and hide the truth...do you really believe everything is ok and we should take everything at face value?

Do you really believe 9-11 was done by Islam?

Do you really believe the federal reserve are honest bankers?


11-11 4 years ago

Do you really believe big pharma is trying to help?

Do you really believe that free energy technology has never existed? Do you really believe that the US gov is at war with the middle east because of terrorism? Do you really believe that there isn't a plan by the cabal to kill off many people and control us like sheep?


11-11 4 years ago

whether or not there are people trying to make money of conspiracy theories, doesn't mean that we are not under control by satanic governments. If you do not believe this please look past those unseemly ones that propagate conspiracy. don't be fooled by the Satan worshiping thieves of this world. They want you to believe that its not possible.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I have seen Thrive and it is more typical conspiracy theory and I was unimpressed. I see that its site promotes chemtrails as a reality and they simply do not exist. Thrive is another version of it all. The conspiracy is conspiracy theory!


11-11 4 years ago

You choose one thing you don't like and throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you are not moved by Thrive and disregard all that its saying because of something as insignificant as chemtrails, then you are as guilty as the rogue conspiracy theorists for feeding your ego by writing articles to have followers of your beliefs which frankly are not true. Most people nowadays care more about sports and reality shows then all the innocent people dying of starvation simply because of the evil ruling class.


11-11 4 years ago

If you look into your heart you will realize your ego is driving you to ignore what is going on so you have something to write about for your 2000+ readers, notice how you only addressed chemtrails, but ignored my questions about 9-11, corrupt banking, corrupt medicine, illegal and immoral wars, the suppression of free energy technology. I would urge any of your fans to watch thrive and then decide, who cares about lizard people and chemtrails...please


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

You know nothing about me or why I have grown so sick of the subject matter, although I have explained some of it in this hub! I will say this that the study of conspiracy theories does nothing to improve world conditions but just makes more people fearful or makes them egotistical and hateful! I have better things to get on with in my life than arguing about all this crap! As for 9/11 I do not know, as for free energy likewise, and of course, corrupt bankers, war and corrupt drugs companies are no good but I don't need a conspiracy theorist to tell me that!


11-11 4 years ago

Furthermore Thrive is far from a typical conspiracy theory as it very thoughtful, truthful and spiritual, and I actually don't remember them speaking of chemtrails and I am starting to believe that you never even watched it in its entirety, because chemtrails is not the message. The fact that we are all connected in a profound way, and as a society it is unnatural that we are not thriving , and it shows the reasons why that is not happening and simple real world things we can do to help fight oppression of the elite class.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

As I said, look at the website! It is riddled with conspiracy stuff and not surprisingly has Icke and Jones involved. I was following briefly someone who was getting into trouble for daring to argue with those running the site. He was being too negative. It's the same old story: agree or go away! In my opinion Thrive is as useful as Zeitgeist, What In The World Are They Spraying? or any of these other conspiracy related movies - of no use to me and of no interest!


11-11 4 years ago

You have grown sick of the subject matter, yet you write article after article to prove it doesn't exist. Your anger proves I have hit a nerve, please don't be angry. It is not the study of conspiracy theories that interest me, it is that we are all very connected and very significant and that we should be thriving as a species and why we are not, just because some people want to make money on conspiracy doesn't mean that there is no significant truths that are being hidden from us. By the way you speak I find it hard to believe you have watched Thrive...be honest. Its very touching and has nothing to do with fear mongering for the sake of profit.


11-11 4 years ago

I guess we have to agree to disagree, I believe you are a very good person.... but I would once again urge your readers to watch Thrive and decide for themselves, it is a beautiful uplifting movie, by people who are nor looking to profit, but to help the world realize its potential, and simple things we can do to help.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I really wish we were thriving and so much that once was! I do not write "article after article" - this is one of my last! You have no idea of what I get told or have to listen to and deal with! There ARE far too many liars in conspiracy and ufology and I personally would rather write about stuff I know for sure like wild flowers!


Dale Jay 4 years ago

Thrive was certainly made for profit that's why they were not giving it away free & pulling it of everyone's youtube channel that uploaded it plus making threats against them.

Im also suspicious of the creator as he has family ties to "Proctor & Gamble" you may want to check their history out.

I have also felt down & fed up with the "truth movement" from time to time, seeing the same old cycles & people jumping on the latest hype bandwagons then nothing coming of it all, it's a good way to waste a lot of time & energy which could easily be better spent.

There is defo an ego issue & people are infighting, tearing other "truther leader" towers down in order to build up their own & this is always sad to see.

I see on a daily basis "Icket's" who go round calling people "sheeple" & "repeaters" yet they themselves are doing just that David himself say not to do (great independent thought ).

At the end of the day it is what the individual does with the info he or she receives/finds that really counts, there as you know are many educated idiots in this world, intelligence without wisdom can be fatal, what becomes of all this harvesting & investing copious amounts of time & energy in this person or that person ,this theory & or that will be ultimately revealed in the fullness of time, good things can blossom even from "bad" conspiracies.

Whatever you path remember importantly to be good to one another.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, Dale, for your well reasoned feedback!

11:11, have a look at this: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/


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CJStone 4 years ago from Whitstable, UK

Adam Weishaupt's Bavarian Illuminati certainly existed, but it was a fairly short term phenomenon. The idea of "Illuminists", meaning children of the Enlightenment, was current at the time and the French Revolutionaries also called themselves Illuminists. Because of this certain authors suggested that the Illuminati were behind the French Revolution. The myth has snowballed from there: a coincidence of name at a certain point in history being considered "proof" that a secret cabal is manipulating history. It was the same when I spoke with Icke. He said that Marx was an Illuminati agent. His "proof"? That Marx belonged to an organisation called the Communist Brotherhood. See, "brotherhood".... Just like the Freemasons. That was really his logic. That particular view comes from an anti-semitic strand of Conspiracy Theory known as the Jewish Communist conspiracy. That one was subscribed to by Hitler, hence the attacks upon Icke for his Fascist leanings. He's not a Fascist, but he really ought to check his sources.


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CJStone 4 years ago from Whitstable, UK

wabond, I always say that the only genuine conspiracy is the age-old conspiracy of the very rich to get even richer, and that Icke is a disinformation agent whose job it is to undermine conspiracy theory. Well, at least it keeps me amused.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Chris, thanks for your feedback! I am well caught up in all of this again even though I don't want to be. It is impossible to escape it seems!


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CJStone 4 years ago from Whitstable, UK

Well if you will write Hubs such as these. But it's very interesting Steve, and there's a book in this, as well as your Dropouts book. Have you heard that Shadesbreath is doing very well with his book, The Galactic Mage? Kindle books is the future, it seems. Good luck with taking this on, but it's worth it. Someone has to expose the disinformation.


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CJStone 4 years ago from Whitstable, UK

Just read the Thrive debunking site, which I agree with. It was conspiracy thinking such as this that lead to the rise of Nazism in the 30s - The Jewish Communist Conspiracy - by which not only Jewish bankers, but all Jews were expropriated of their wealth, and Communists put into concentration camps. The problem with Conspiracy theory is that it dehumanises the people supposedly involved in the conspiracy, leading, eventually to those concentration camps. They are wholly bad while we are wholly good. That's how Nazism, which also had a spiritual element, ended up murdering so many people. We need to pay attention to that.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Chris, this is only a bit of a rant from me! I have been trying to move on from it all but cannot! At Chris Everard's facebook wall there is now loads of posts being made by people who cannot handle what I have said. It's almost like I am not allowed to think or have my own beliefs! There is also really heavy duty and depressing stuff that I am not making public but I have to deal with/consider. I am really sick of all of it though. It is madness! My Kindle book hardly sells at all but what is in there is my truth! People don't want truth!


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CR Rookwood 4 years ago from Moonlight Maine

Steve it's so good to see you taking a critical approach to this stuff and speaking out so frankly. Every time I mention the anti-Semitic roots of some of this conspiracy stuff I get a barrage of rotten tomatoes and I know you've tried harder than most would to earnestly sort through it. It's so tempting to believe in overarching evil, but really, evil is stupid, brutish, and banal. It's all mixed in with regular life. In general, I'm with Chris. It's all about the Benjamins and keeping them away from the unwashed masses, but beyond that, nothing incredibly supernatural or intelligent about it. Thanks. Great hub.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your feedback too, CR!


11-11 4 years ago

Hey gents, i read thru that thrive debunking and you know it comes to the same thing, most everyone thinks they are 100% right. I think there is a lot of truth out there and info that is up to the individual to decide. The author mentions how vaccines can be dangerous but never meant to hurt people, and what does he quote but some smallpox vaccine developed 100 years ago , I mean come on, how can you compare developers of vaccines created back then to the crap(swine flu vaccine) they created today. Do you all believe that the swine flu was anything other than a man made


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

The point being is that the smallpox vaccine eradicated the disease but conspiracy theorists try to say that all vaccines are bad. This is another example of the black and white way of thinking or the us versus them mentality which the blog also commented on and which is a problem I have with conspiracy theorists!


11-11 4 years ago

CR you say there is nothing supernatural...then I guess you do not believe in the subtle realm...and that is the difference between us. The evil doers in power are Satan worshiping psychos. You all want to believe, oh no that stuff isn't real, and thinking that distracts us from things we can really do... then I guess you do not believe in the bible, as it states Satan and evil are very real, its more than about greed to them. They are trying to destroy the world through domination, starvation, collapsing economies and its so obvious to me. Some talk of earth quake machines, do they exist, I don't know, but do I know that the world is controlled by Satanists...absolutely, and that is why we can't agree. What can we do...pray and trust in God to deliver us from this Evil as there is nothing we can truly do, they have the Police, military and all the money. You can be arrested and held indefinitely without due justice almost anywhere in the world now. Maybe I should right a letter to the Government complaining about it...When did we vote for that?


11-11 4 years ago

Even though we do not agree, I truly love you all as fellow human beings and wish you the best in your spiritual journey, I just don't think there is anything left to do but agree to disagree. The bottom line is you can't discredit everything someone says because you don't believe somethings they say...no one is 100% right or 100% wrong. Good luck to you all this year and may Jesus Christ save us from this Satanic kingdom...peace


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CR Rookwood 4 years ago from Moonlight Maine

11-11, lol! All I write about lately is the supernatural.

I guess you're not a fan.


11-11 4 years ago

Cr :-) I guess I took what you said out of context, and no I have never read anything of yours...do you agree that the world is controlled by satanists and that we are playing out end-times scripture as we speak? And when I say end-times I mean we are nearing the end of satanic control over the world and will be delivered from this to a 1000 years of peace on Earth as promised by Jesus Christ?


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

11-11, I don't agree with your Biblical version of events, no! I also have a big problem with the label 'Satanists' and 'Satanic' that is used frequently by David Icke and others to demonise people. It gives an image of people who are very different to what actual practising Satanists of the Church of Satan are like and all it does is create further division and problems between people. Satanists do not believe in your God any other version of God, nor do they sacrifice animals. I refer you to their site: http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html


Jim Baker 4 years ago

Thanks for a very well written and clearly argued blog.

You, more than most, are well qualified to write this, after many years of research and I think your words should be heeded, particularly by those living in fear of non-existent dangers.

It is sad that so many people seem to welcome delusion as an escape from the real world and believe that they are 'chosen' or 'special' or just more intelligent than the rest of us. Thank you for taking the time to try to help such people see the truth which is so obvious to the vast majority of people.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, Jim!


Motown2Chitown 4 years ago

Steve - very well done! I find myself in agreement on every single point you put forward. Regarding chemtrails in the bible? Illumind referenced Gen 9:11-16 to support his belief...that is very clearly about RAINBOWS and clouds in the sky - and it was not God's REPLACEMENT for the flood as a means of destruction, rather God's promise that the flood will never again be His weapon of choice.

Just wanted to clear that up. This hub (and the walk through the comments) was a fine morning read.

:)


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your great feedback and explaining what Illumind meant!


I AM ALL I AM 3 years ago

This is a new stance on Icke ... well done for moving forward.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you!


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lone77star 2 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

Some very good points. It's not easy to separate the "conspiracy theory" label from legitimate questions (also called "conspiracy theories"), and hard facts (also called "conspiracy theories" if those facts call into question the official narrative).

If I were trying to take over the world, I would certainly want as many different kinds of "conspiracy theorists" out there churning the water -- money makers, disinformation junkies, crazies and more.

But I have to ask, what is wrong with making money if you're providing a valid and worthwhile service? What if some questioners are presenting nothing but fact. For instance, the group at http://AE911Truth.org seems to be hitting pretty close to a perfect score on factual evidence on the topic of the World Trade Center collapses of 9/11 -- all 3 of them. If a person wants to devote their life to investigation, then they need money in order to live (food, shelter, etc).

Icke certainly is one of the more "strange" of the lot. Much of what he says makes a great deal of sense, but some may be too far out there to take whole cloth. We have to use our own critical thinking to decide for ourselves. I try not to close the door on everything a person is saying just because I don't agree with or believe some of what they say. I merely hold such data as unresolved. Some people are uncomfortable if they cannot reach closure. They like things to be static and stable. I like being different, here. I thrive on change and on the unresolved. Any theory of current worldview is never set in stone.

For more than a decade, I accepted the official narrative of 9/11. Something about it didn't feel right, but I didn't feel compelled to investigate further. That all changed a couple of years ago.

Consider these facts:

* WTC7 fell at perfect free fall for the first 8 floors of collapse.

* Free fall means Zero resistance.

* Solid steel Never offers Zero resistance.

How could free fall have been possible? Controlled demolition (or magic fairy dust). I've never seen magic fairy dust, so I opt for controlled demolition. Since it takes months to prepare a building of that size, and since there were several highly secure government agencies in WTC7 (including the CIA), 9/11 was an inside job.

Giuliani committed a felony by starting the destruction of crime scene evidence on 9/11 (more than a year before the official investigation was to start).

The top military officers who were responsible for the massive security failures on 9/11 all received promotions instead of courts martial. Hmmm! Rewarding incompetence? Or payoff for complicity?

When NIST scientists started their timing of the WTC7 collapse artificially early in order to assess the average rate of collapse, they were committing scientific fraud (drylabbing). Accident? Incompetence? Cover-up?

As always, your thoughts and questions help open the dialog on important topics. I don't doubt there's far more to learn about these things.


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Bard of Ely 2 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your thoughts on this and yes, all sorts of views get labeled as conspiracy theory because famous conspiracy theorists like Icke talk and write about them but does that matter? Only if you are worried about the term conspiracy theorist which has been blackened in the media to a large degree. I am not worried about that, my concerns are with the nonsense peddled as truths, the willingness for followers to accept whatever they are told whilst thinking themselves superior to the sheeple, and the actual character of many in the truth and conspiracy theory movements. Get involved on the inside and watch your beliefs and faith in leading names crumble and get called some silly names for speaking out. Recently I was called a "brainwashed NWO puppet" on Twitter and why? Because I agreed with what David de Rothschild was saying!


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jainismus 2 years ago from Pune, India

Very well written information, forces to think.


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Sgt Prepper 8 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

I call it "Conspiracy Science" and the ONLY conspiracy theories I dismiss entirely are the Reports of the 9/11 Commission and the Warren Commission. Oswald WAS a patsy. 9/11, Pearl Harbor, the OKC-bombing, Lusitania-sinking and so many more false-flag events were inside-jobs. Obama really was born in Kenya. Global-warming is the biggest lie since evolution & pink-slime is people.

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