Our Secure Borders are a lie.

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To make any sense of this hub you must watch at least part of the following video.

Perhaps some of you remember the speech our President made in El Paso, Texas where he claimed the fence separating Mexico and the United States was complete and next we would want a moat with alligators. The liberals thought that comment was hilarious but they have obviously not been anywhere near the border anytime in their lives.

Well, if you look at this video you will see that what he told us was not quite true. Perhaps he had received some bad intel from the agencies who are in charge of border security, or he could have been lying to us.

I live in Arizona and can show you miles and miles of our border with Mexico that have only a barbed wire fence or no fence at all.

This video will clearly show you exactly how secure the border really is. This knowledge should be somewhat terrifying to you, especially with the current threats from ISIS to fly their flag over the White House.

Our Border Fence

The Truth Sometimes Hurts

Now that you have seen the video I would have to believe that you now know we are being lied to regarding our own border security.

The big question is do any of our members of Congress know this fact and choose to ignore the situation, or are they so blind and stupid they just don't care? If they are aware of this open border situation they should be screaming at everyone they know to get this border sealed immediately.

It is no longer just a few poor people from other countries sneaking across the border to find work. Much of this area is actually controlled by the Drug Cartels running drugs and smuggling humans into the United States.

There are actually areas along the border where the Border Patrol is not allowed to patrol because they are designated as parks. Anyone who would use one of these parks as a place to take their family would have to be insane.

Most of the fence is a joke.

We have been told repeatedly by Obama, Harry Reid, Napolitano, and many others that our border is more secure than it has ever been.

That would make one wonder if that statement were true, what was it like before it was secure?

We are no longer dealing with just migrant workers coming to pick crops to earn some money and then return home. We have drug traffickers and human smugglers to deal with and they bring huge groups of illegals into this country daily.

Much of our Border Patrol is now miles from the border trying to feed and care for the thousands of illegal children we are welcoming into this country with open arms. They are far busier changing diapers than they are patrolling the border.

This is not the fault of the Border Patrol. For the most part they are hard working dedicated people fighting a losing battle over illegal immigration. They risk their lives to apprehend some very bad people, only to have them released almost immediately to return again, and again.

Come one come all went the cry. We will feed you, clothe you, and provide you with a good education. And they came and continue to come.

Millions of dollars worth of fence.

Our secure fence!
Our secure fence! | Source

Who do they think they are kidding?

I'm confused as to whether our politicians think we are stupid enough to believe these lies or perhaps it is that they themselves believe these lies.

A few months ago John McCain visited the border near Nogales, Arizona and the usual TV news crew was on hand to record his visit. Right in the middle of his conversation with the local Border Patrol official, a female climbed over the fence from Mexico and dropped down into Arizona. This was all captured on the video, and she was immediately arrested by the Border Patrol officer who were there with McCain.

McCain at the border

McCain at the border.
McCain at the border.

No, I am not a racist.

Almost everyone who writes anything these days complaining about illegal immigration or our open border is immediately labeled as a racist. Let me tell you right up front that is not the case with me.

I have lived in Arizona for over 70 years, and many of my closest friends are Hispanics. I love their culture and like Mexican food better than most American food.

My big concern as stated earlier is that we are not safe with these wide open borders. The Border Patrol has lately been apprehending people from countries all over the world crossing our borders illegally.

Do not, repeat, do not let anyone tell you that our border is even close to secure because that is an outright lie.

If you still refuse to believe this fact, make a trip to Arizona or Texas and put your own eyes on the non-existent border fence and you will become a believer.

If you write your Congressman about anything, throw in a few words about your concern over our lack of border security.

This is a very serious matter and I appreciate you taking the time to read this hub. Your comments are welcome and appreciated.

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Jayfort 2 years ago

I grew up in Arizona and cry for the sad state my home state is now in due to an invasion by people, many of whom have no desire to assimilate into our culture, learn our language, and become fully productive citizens.


Hxprof 2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

OP - We've watched things go upside down over the last 10 years. Bush knew the border situation and didn't fix it. I have no doubt that Obama knows also; he won't fix it either. If Congress passed a bill that appropriately allocated resources to secure our borders, Obama would veto it.

The question on your mind - and everyone elses - is why do our politicians refuse to step up and do something? I don't have the answer. I do believe that every elected federal official should be held accountable by the American people for even one more death at the hands of a foreign terrorist operative. There's no federal law against murder, so our politicians would have to be brought up on accessory murder charges at the state level.

Truth is, that won't happen. And further, I believe we're living in unparalled times, in times when good is called evil and evil called good.


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

Voted up! I think most of these congressmen are paid off and that's why they do nothing.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Jayfort - I had no idea you grew up in Arizona but am glad you got to see it when it was a great place to live. I have friends that live exactly one mile from the border, and the fence is just 4 strands of barbed wire. At one time, there was no fence at all and as kids we wandered back and forth into Mexico all the time. My how times change.

Just come on back to Arizona anytime you feel like it, we still have room here for plenty of old timers.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Hxprof - Thanks for stopping by and the comment. I know for sure that McCain knows the truth about the border. When I contact his office I get a "canned" response letter that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote him about.

I suspect that all or at least most of them are aware of out situation regarding the border, but right now they are too busy campaigning to do anything else.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Brie - Great to see you as always. I have no idea who would pay them off. I think they are just more concerned with getting reelected than anything else right now. Besides that, all they would do is ask for more money with no plan on how they would spend (steal) it.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

The Interstate 8 warning sign you posted is right at 100 miles north of the US/Mexico border, which means that Mexico's drug gangs literally control thousands of square miles of US territory.

For some reason, Americans are not outraged at what can only be called an invasion of our country by enemy forces. Why we do not respond with our military, and either push them back out of the US or kill them is beyond me.

I have lost all faith in government to protect our borders. Politicians of both parties have willfully failed to protect us, so we may have to do it ourselves.


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

I think that the people who are working towards a one world government..that's who would pay them off. The Council on Foreign Relations, The Bilderberg Group, The Illuminati.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

WillStarr - I really believe the time will come when many are very happy the government was not able to confiscate all of our personal weapons.

Your right, this sign is about 100 miles from the border and on a well known and direct smuggling route into Arizona.

They smuggle drugs and illegals right in front of everyone. For the one or two that get caught doing this there are hundreds more that don't get caught. Even if they do get caught they just get deported and come right back.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Brie - That is very possible and many are now pushing for a World Government. I'm glad I am old enough I will probably not see that accomplished but it is coming.


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billybuc 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

I can't imagine anyone living anywhere in the United States thinking that border is secure. Those of us who live in the north know damned well that the Canadian border can be breached any day of the week and twice on Sundays. To think otherwise is to be a fool. Keep singing this song my friend. People need to know and writers need to write about it.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Bill - As always it is great to see you. Your right, we also have a huge exposure on our border with Canada. During my telephone lineman career we often worked right at the border with Canada. For lunch we would stroll into Canada for a very nice meal. It was the closest location to where we were working and there was no fence or anything to stop us.

Oh how I long for "the good ole days."

But that was many years ago and times have changed.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

We know that Middle Eastern illegals are also coming across our southern borders. That ought to worry all of us, but Washington apparently doesn't care. We all know another 9-11 is coming, and this time, it will be far worse, but again, Washington doesn't seem to care.

We may have to take back America from the politicians.


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

It's treasonous pure and simple.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Bill - You are 100% correct. I shoot with a bunch of Border Patrol guys at our gun range, and they say the same thing. They will join a group of illegals from Mexico and are difficult to pick out of the crowd. The Border Patrol guys talk to each and every illegal in the group in Spanish and often find someone who can't answer them in Spanish.

They have also apprehended some of the same individuals multiple times. I just can't believe our elected representatives are naïve enough to not know this is happening.

It is going to be an ugly and massive disaster when they pull the pin on what they plan to do to us. Your right, 9-11 will look like a practice run when we see what happens next.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Brie - We need to really clean house in all of the upcoming elections. We could lose a few good one's but my current plan is to never again vote for any incumbents. If they are in, they are out is my new motto. It is too difficult to sort just the rotten apples out of the barrel.

Now if we can just get people to lose their party loyalty and vote with their brains we can get some things done around here.


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maxoxam41 2 years ago from USA

Poolman doesn't sound native indian, does it?


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX

The problem is that low information voters will believe anything these "our borders are secure" idiots lay out there for them to wallow in. Those of us who live on the southern border know damned well it isn't secure.

TFP


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Max - I appreciate you stopping by but I have no idea what "native indian" has to do with this hub.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Jim - I guess there is some comfort in ignorance. It gives them peace of mind to just believe things like this when most know it is just another lie.

This border situation is similar to a parent telling their children that everything is just fine when there is a huge tornado headed toward their house.


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breakfastpop 2 years ago

If there is anyone left on the planet (and there are many) who don't know that our borders are unsafe they deserve to be incarcerated! I just learned this morning that the town right next to me, which shares some of our services is now housing "immigrant children." These "children" are between the ages of 16 and 22. No one in the town was advised that they were being shipped and dumped here. I can't believe this is happening! I am happy you wrote about this, Mike. It's important and you did a masterful job. Voted up, useful, interesting and awesome.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

What's the solution? Everybody talks about (lack of ) border security, but no one is coming up with a workable solution. This is par for the course for politics and law enforcement.

There has to be a way.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Patti - Thanks for the great comment. In truth, we are living a "lie" about many things going on in our own country, let alone the world.

I should have written this back when Obama made that comment in El Paso about the fence being completed and we now wanting a moat with alligators. I often wonder if our President has ever even seen the border other than flying over it on his way to his vacation destination.

Sadly, the low information types do sleep well at night because they believe the lies about border security.

Since when is a 22 year old still considered a child? I was serving in the Army when I was 22. Well, you just thought you were through raising children, now you have a few thousand more children to provide for.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"What's the solution?"

The same solution other counties employ...enforcement of their borders!

The US is inviting the invasion, because both parties want them here for their own reasons and therefore, both parties refuse to enforce the borders. The last American president to enforce the borders and round illegals up for deportation was Eisenhower.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - We can't even develop a workable plan until the huge daily influx of illegals is stopped.

I truly hate to say this, but the only way I see now to plug this hole in the dam is to use the Military and the National Guard. Once the flow is stopped a plan could be developed to properly process those who want to move to this country. The current immigration process is expensive and packed with beauracratic red tape. It can take years for someone to legally immigrate into this country.

They are flooding into this country because of the rumored promise of amnesty for all of those who are already here. Sadly, I think this promised amnesty will be granted in the very near future, perhaps even before Congress returns from their not-earned vacation.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

WillStarr - As usual we are thinking on exactly the same wavelength. The first step would be to actually seal the border while a workable plan was being developed.

We have the means to do this if someone would authorize it. I know of many civilians who would gladly take part in border security, but they would most likely go to jail for doing so.

The off-duty Border Patrol agent who was murdered last week was killed by individuals who have been deported a reported 7 times. Our borders are not just open to children and farm workers. There are some very bad people who have entered our country illegally who are living here now.

And guess what, these very bad people will soon be granted a blanket amnesty and become citizens of this country. There will be no background investigations either. The law will state, "If you are here now you are a citizen of the USA, Welcome to America."


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

@Will and Poolman - You don't mean use our military to protect our borders do you??? Oh my. That would be a problem.

Both the Southern and Northern borders are just way too accessible. Then there are the open coasts. We'll have to engage the navy too.

Who will police the Middle East? Africa? and Europe?

Who will make sure China, Japan and Asia stay put?

We are just going to have to figure out how to live together as a planet too full of humans, don't you think?


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - I truly believe it will take our Military to close the borders on even a temporary basis.

You just can't keep the cattle out of your hay until all the gates are closed.

Off the top of my head I can't think of any other country that doesn't care what non-citizens are wandering around on their soil. Not that it doesn't happen, but in some countries you may find yourself rotting in prison for a long time for this offence.

I do know that to visit many countries you must show a round trip ticket to get through immigration and out onto the street.

It just doesn't matter how many laws are passed or how they are written as long as the gates are wide open to anyone who wants to come.

You're right about us having 4 borders and that is a problem. The border with Canada is not all that secure, but not as bad as the border with Mexico.

This is a very complex problem but to just ignore it is not the answer.


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The Frog Prince 2 years ago from Arlington, TX

Mike I used this video once upon a time when I was writing about the southern border and the ease to cross it. Unbelievable footage,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdc-kv7nzaU


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Jim, thanks and I have seen that video before, probably on your hub. If I am not mistaken, building that section of fence was contracted to the Boeing company. I read where they neglected to spot weld the panels to the metal posts but were not made to correct the problem.

It took the bad guys just a few days to find the key to this gate.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Old Poolman - I was writing in my sarcastic font. Our entire military force wouldn't be enough to close all the holes in our borders. That's the f'ing problem here. I wholeheartedly agree that we should bring our entire military fleet home and use them to guard our borders. It's absolutely the only solution. But how are we going to convince everyone?

If the Native Americans had been able to close the country, don't you think they would have done so? Stupid them. And Stupid us.

We need to close the borders now!


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - I know you well enough to know you were being sarcastic, but you also brought up some very valid points.

I think we should at least start with the border with Mexico where hundreds if not thousands of illegals are entering our country every day. We have now had yet another Border Patrol agent murdered by two illegals when he was fishing with his family. We know exactly what locations most of the illegals use to enter our country and we could seal these openings first. The harder it becomes the fewer will try to cross.

I am well aware of what happened to the Native Americans when the immigrants headed West. The illegals are now arriving in such large numbers we too may get to learn the hard lessons the Native Americans learned.

Lesson #1. Don't believe a darn thing this government tells you.

Lesson #2. Life on the reservation is not that great even with the government handouts.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I'm voting for you for tribal chief, Old Poolman! Start running :-)


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - LOL, you made me choke on my daily beer when I read that last comment. I'll take that job and would bet you I could stop most if not all the illegal immigration on our Southern border in a very short time.

But then again I predict we will soon see an amnesty announcement and that will mean we will have zero illegals in the country for at least a day or two. I guess there really is more than one way to solve a problem.


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico

...And then there is the porous, 2000-mile border between the US and Canada! Much of it lakes and mountains with freezing winters and iced-over waterways. We have the same problem in the UK which is about to sink from the masses of humanity looking for a better life from Africa - imagine having Africa on your doorstep, cousins!

Make the most of the last of any decent life on this planet if disease and natural disaster can't stop mankind's population growth and quick!!

Good article and an eye-opener

Bob


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Bob, it is always a pleasure to see you on one of my hubs.

Your correct about our border with Canada. The big difference as I see it is that we at least have cooperation from the Canadian authorities but get little or no help from Mexico.

I have read some articles regarding what is happening with immigration all over Europe. Do you have as many people suggesting the borders just be eliminated as we do?

I often wonder what those who despise borders so much would do if people from other countries just moved into their home with them? They would then be responsible for the welfare of their uninvited house guests whether they wanted them there or not.

The financial burden and risk of disease is very real. Why do so many refuse to understand this?


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I've made two suggestions recently - that we pay refugees to stay in their home countries and the other suggestion is that we have refugee cities on the borders where only illegals and immigrants are allowed to go. Sort of like internment camps. They would have to police themselves.

Neither is going to work, of course. The only solution is to vaporize immigrants if they won't stay home. Arnold Schwartzenegger could advise along with Sly Stallone. Oh wait, at least one of them is an immigrant. Catch-22 again!


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

LOL - There is always a catch no matter how good the plan.


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OhMe 2 years ago from Pendleton, SC

The sad thing is that this situation continues to get worse rather than better. I am glad you are bringing about more awareness to this problem with this article. It amazes me that so many people continue to believe the lies told by our President.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

OhMe - I love the name. Thanks for the comment. Most of us know that secure borders is a lie but some prefer to just believe what the government is telling them. I guess they sleep better at night thinking they are secure.


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Mel Carriere 2 years ago from San Diego California

If people want to call you a racist let them go live where you do for a few months first. I think you know how I feel about this issue. The danger that you and good people like you (My Dad is in rural Arizona too) are subjected to is a consequence of decades of bad US policy south of the border. Because we had to feed the corporate beast by destroying Latin American economies now you can't sleep at night. Great hub, my friend.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Thanks Mel. The most puzzling thing to me is why does our government refuse to protect our border but lie to us by saying it is secure?

Obama's refusal to visit the border when he was fund raising in Texas pretty well tells the story. Had he actually seen what was going on at the border he could no longer believe the lies he is being told? Or is he being told the truth about our open border and he is telling the lies?

We will never know and this will remain a mystery.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I think the President is aware of the lax security at the borders. Maybe the secret service won't even allow a president to 'visit' there. What's to see anyway? They have video cameras all up and down the border and at all border crossings. So, I'm sure that all presidents are briefed on how wide open our borders are.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - I agree with everything you said, but here is my view.

He spent at least 1 Million taxpayer dollars to get to the fund raiser in Texas. At that moment in time the flood of illegals crossing our border was big news in most of the Media outlets. Many citizens are very upset and concerned over this human tidal wave pouring into our country.

As our leader and Commander In Chief, I feel he could have at least pretended to share these concerns by a brief visit to the border. For him to refuse this visit to the border makes it appear that he either doesn't care or he actually supports the huge influx of illegals into our country.

His leadership qualities leave much to be desired. All of the briefings he receives from his staff could not possibly match seeing the situation first hand with his own eyes. Seeing exactly what is happening beats the heck out of heavily edited written reports.

Obama is just one in a long line of Presidents who have pretty much ignored border security. He could be a hero by turning that around.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"Obama is just one in a long line of Presidents who have pretty much ignored border security. "

True. The last president to close the border and deport illegals was Eisenhower. All that followed him have ignored it for political reasons.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

WillStarr - Then you agree that Obama could score some big points by sealing the border? Perhaps they are waiting for the perfect time to do this such as days before the next election. Timing really is everything especially in politics.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

You know that trips and appearances have to be scheduled way ahead of time for any presidential visit. Side trips are discouraged by the security teams.

At any rate, this begging Obama to visit the border by Perry was just a political ploy to make our President look bad. Why haven't the California, New Mexico, Arizona governors berated Obama into visiting their borders? Because it's all politics. Perry just looks like a fool.

A recent poll in Mexico and Texas released last night showed that 65% of Mexicans don't even want to come to America and they ones that are here wish they could go home. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion.

It's just scare tactics. There is no real "crisis", other than the one that has always existed since this country began.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

"Sealing" the border? Are you high? How do you think we could even do that?


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Presidents make unscheduled visits to lots of places following natural diasters so it can be done. They go for the photo op if for no other reason. Of course it is Political because every decision coming out of Washington is pure politics.

It is now reported that ISIS is working with the Cartel in Juarez, Mexico. I personally find this to be more than a scare tactic but hope I am wrong.

Your comments would indicate that you are perfectly OK with our border with Mexico not being sealed. The recent murder of the Border Patrol Agent on a family outing proves it is not just innocent persons looking for work who cross this vitrually wide open border. I would also have to assume you live a little further from the border than I do.

If those who are here illegally really want to go home I suggest we buy them a ticket and send them on their way.

Times and the world are changing. I firmly believe that sealing our borders is more than a manufactured "crisis." Again, I hope I am wrong but only time will tell.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

First off, we could quit pretending that the border was sealed or are you one of those who believe this lie?

The President has the entire Miltary and the National Guard at his disposal. That would be a great start.

I would guess that if a plea went out for civilian volunteers to assist in sealing the border there would be thousands of volunteers.

Start prosecuting and deporting those who are captured while illegally crossing the border.

There are many ways to seal the border as proven by many other countries who are able to do this quite successfully. Why should we be any different?


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"Then you agree that Obama could score some big points by sealing the border?"

Absolutely. In fact, if he did that soon, the Democrats would retain the Senate.

Why is it that other nations have their borders sealed, but we are told it's impossible to seal ours?

What we need to do is what other nations do, and that is to offer illegals nothing. Zero. Nada.

No jobs, no freebies, no citizenship for their babies, and no reason to come here in the first place.

And we need to put the drug lords on notice that we will shoot drug mules on sight. The world doesn't need them anyway.

You know why Americans don't sneak across the Mexican border? Because Mexico offers them nothing but prison and misery. We should take a cue from Mexico.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

WillStarr - Sealing the border would require some temporary but drastic changes in the way we do things. Word would spread quickly that the door is no longer standing wide open and much of the problem would go away.


Jose Lopez 2 years ago

We need a Korean style DMZ. Large fences, land mines, and armed troops are the only things that will seal the border.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Jose - You may be joking but your comment is not way off base. When the pendulum has swung too far in one direction it sometimes take drastic action to move it back to the middle.


Jimmy 2 years ago

As a long time ninja, I take security seriously. I am not scared for myself of course, but I do care about the non-ninjas out there who might not be able to deal with a terrorist group.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Jimmy the ninja, I suggest you come back after you reach puberty if you want to have a conversation with the adults.

Any further comments from you will be deleted immediately.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I wonder how you intend to 'seal' the Gulf coast, the Atlantic coast, the Canadian border, the Pacific coast and the entire southern border. Are you also planning to kick the Japanese out of Hawaii and the Carribes out of the U.S. Virgin Islands?

I guess we might as well all move to the border nearest ourselves, so we can form this line you speak of.

Will Starr - many of the drug mules are forced into it. The cartels threaten their families to get them to mule drugs across. You want to shoot these people on sight?

I'm all for militarizing the border, but I don't think we have that big of a military force, especially since we "keep the peace" in Korea, Europe, the Middle East, Afghanistan and so on and on.

So how is this going to work?


Jose Lopez 2 years ago

Old Poolman, I'm being serious. I realize landmines are unpopular, but they are effective. Of course I would want large fences on both sides and make it clear to everyone that they are there. I don't want people to get blown up, but there needs to be serious barrier.

Austin, you lost me with the kicking the Japanese out of Hawaii and that stuff. I can tell be your post that you have never been there. There are no border problems in Hawaii. Also, the military could secure the southern border. They would just need to be allowed to do the job.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - Very few problems of this magnitude can be solved in a single move and without a plan. When a ship is leaking and sinking logic would tell us to plug the largest holes first. Our border with Mexico is currently the largest hole in our sinking ship and that should be our starting point for securing our borders.

Where you got that bit about Hawaii and the Virgin Islands escapes me. This entire hub was about our border with Mexico which is practically wide open at this time.

I would guess you didn't bother to watch any of the video at the top of the hub. If you had you would realize why myself and many others are very concerned about this matter.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Jose - As you can see in the comments some feel it would be impossible to seal the border with Mexico so they would not even try. We already know the major drug and human smuggling routes and a relatively small force could seal these off quickly.

We have drones and sophisticated surveillance systems that can track every move that is made on the border. Our military has the nohow and the training to handle missions like this with no problem.

Anyone caught trying to enter the country illegally would have to be dealt with by methods other than buying them a first class ticket back to where they came from.

The word would spread quickly that it is no longer just a stroll in the park to enter the USA illegally.

Will this ever happen? I doubt it seriously because people in high places don't want this border closed for reasons unknown.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I lived in Hawaii, It's not a secure border. A lot of illegal Asian immigrants do enter there. I would assume that the Caribbean is the same way.

Yes, I did watch the video. Yes, I do realize that you think the Mexican border is the big sucking hole in our border defense.

I'm just trying to figure out why, if we do 'seal' the southern border, won't these people find another way to get in?

They will do so. Look at Florida, they have a bigger drug mule problem than we do in Texas. How do those people get in?


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - Your one up on me. I have never even visited Hawaii.

I guess I am more sensitive to the border with Mexico because I live so close. Unless we put a bubble over the entire country where nobody can get in or our, like that goofy TV show, there will always be some illegal entry.

But for our own safety we have to start somewhere and I believe the border with Mexico is that place. It is obvious the billions we have spent on fences that don't even slow the illegals down is not the answer.

A large part of the problem begins with not dealing harshly with those who enter illegally like other countries do. Try getting caught in Mexico without proper paperwork and see what happens to you.

Our borders are wide open and our immigration polices are a nightmare. We created this problem and now it needs to be fixed.

Difficult? Yes. Impossible? No.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I agree. The border with Mexico is our biggest problem because it is so big and so accessible.

Fences don't work because they are minor barriers. Tunnels are dug and ladders are built.

Drones might help, but will eventually be shot down.

A line of guards is inviting a war. But we are eventually going to have to have a Zone along the border that is guarded somehow.

Precedent was set when this country was invaded in the first place and once the door was opened it is nearly impossible to close.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - Perhaps my views are slanted because my entire working career involved trouble shooting and problem solving. Rarely if ever did a problem ever just go away if we ignored it long enough.

Therein lies my frustration. We have been lied to for a long time regarding our border security with Mexico and now the truth is starting to come out. Yet to my knowledge nothing at all is being done to correct this problem. Or should I say there is no planned effort to solve this problem other than throwing more money at it.

Could we put some heat on Mexico to do their part of sealing this border? I seriously doubt it because for the most part the drug cartels now control this part of Mexico. Many Mexican officials are in fear of their lives, or have been paid off to turn a blind eye to what is going on.

These same cartel members now cross the border frequently with their drugs and human smuggling operations. Our government has pretty much rendered the Border Patrol ineffective with all their rules and regulations regarding illegal entry.

There are areas of the border where Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to go. Is this a safety measure over concern for our agents or is there some other reason why this would be?

We have spent billions on a partially completed fence that doesn't work anyhow. There is no reason to spend even another dime on more fence now that we know it doesn't even help.

The point of this is that what we are doing now is not working and we know that. Because we know that it is time to try something different and we have the technology, resources, and money to do that.

When Janet Napolitano, once the governor of Arizona, announced as the head of Homeland Security that the border was more secure than it has ever been I knew we were in trouble.

The time to at least try to better secure our borders has come and we need proof, not more lies, that this is happening. Other countries are far more advanced in border security than we are, and that is a real shame.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

The way to stop illegal entry into this country is to remove the carrots:

1)Pass a Constitutional Amendment that stops the practice of having an anchor baby born here. If the parents are not citizens, then neither is the baby.

2) If non-citizens come here for free medical care or other free stuff, deduct the costs from the foreign aid their country gets from the US. That will make those countries guard their own borders.

3) Fine illegal alien employers $10,000.00 for each illegal found working for them (that fine is already available!). That makes hiring cheap illegal labor far too expensive, and will put thousands of Americans back to work.

4) Create a foreign worker program, and enforce the rules.

If there's no incentive to come here, the invasion will stop, and those here already will have to go home.

5) Announce that in view of the ongoing terrorist threat, our borders will be patrolled by heavily armed National Guard troops with orders to view all illegal border crossings as acts of war. Those who do not surrender or immediately turn back will be shot.

Problem solved.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

@Will Starr - I love your first three suggestions and I think we all should send them in a letter to our congressmen. Maybe even in petition form.

But the other two (4 and 5) suggestions are untenable. It's like Old Poolman says, you can throw all the money at it in the world, but it still won't solve the problem.

On #4 - We should train our own workforce to fill jobs that foreigners are likely to fill.

On #5 - Unless we really do want to start a war with our neighbors, we just need to be enforcing the laws that are already in effect.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Bill, this sounds like a reasonable and workable plan to me, thus it will never be used.

Those companies the receive the sweetheart contracts to build more of the border fence that doesn't work would lose way too much money.

Follow the money on just these fence contracts and you will see what I mean. Even the Boeing Corporation got a piece of this pie. They should have stuck with building airplanes as they forget to weld the panels in place on the part of the fence they built. It has been reported that we even paid companies for sections of this fence they never completed, but I don't know that to be a fact.

Your points are all great and would work. It is time for this administration to admit that what they are doing, or not doing, is not solving the problem. It would be great to see a plan for improved border security that involved something besides just handing out more money.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - Regarding Bill's #4. Ask any farmer, rancher, or orchard person how many applicants they get when they put an ad in the paper for seasonal help. Most of this is just plain hard, hot and dirty work and our youth will not do it. In fact for many, they can now live better off entitlements than they can working a minimum wage job.

You nailed it with your comment about enforcing the laws that are already in effect. Had we done that we might not even be having this discussion.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"On #5 - Unless we really do want to start a war with our neighbors, we just need to be enforcing the laws that are already in effect."

Neither Mexico nor Canada have 'open' orders. Both strictly control their borders, and have no reason to resent it if we do the same. Besides, neither one would dare go to war with us.

And we would not be shooting anyone unless we have good reason to believe they have criminal intent.


Jayfort 2 years ago

My God, our borders are as leaky as a sieve; we have illegals of all types (to potentially include terrorists) passing through our borders; and someone is worried about offending a neighboring country and having a war with them???

Austinstar, if we don't do something soon, there won't be a United States of America left to defend!!!


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Jayfort - I fear it will take a direct attack on US soil before most will realize just how dangerous these open borders really are.

In fact, some will still argue the point that the fence is now complete in spite of video evidence to the contrary.

The American people have been sleeping for several generations now and it is time for them to wake up.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

WillStarr - it is odd how our border with Mexico apparently has a one-way door. The Mexican government even issues pamphlets to illegals on what they need to carry while crossing the desert into Arizona.

Yet an American citizen caught illegally in Mexico will be facing prison for a long time.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

@Jayfort - It may not matter to you that we start a war with Mexico, but it does to me living here in Texas. There's no reason for it. All we need to do is enforce the laws that are already in place. War is an ugly word to me and it should be to the whole world. People don't need to be dying over immigration. We need to get along with our neighbors, not shoot them.

Old Poolman, I have lived in Mexico and I have friends that live there now. Mexicans don't automatically throw immigrants into jail or even try to deport them. They have very loose immigration standards and I amd many of my friends are even considering moving back to Mexico. It's a beautiful country, low crime (except in certain areas), low cost of living, great, healthy food and lots of things to do. I can live in a resort area for half the cost of what I pay to live in Texas.

Maybe we should be trying to develop the infrastructure of our own country instead of fighting wars all over the globe.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - I can't argue that Mexico is a beautiful place but I find Costa Rica to be a safer alternative.

I completely agree with your suggestion regarding developing our own infrastructure instead of fighting wars. I was stationed in Germany over 50 years ago and darned if we aren't still there.

But please don't tell ISIS that we are sick of fighting wars and don't want to do it anymore. They might take that as a sign of weakness on our part.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Austinstar

"@Jayfort - It may not matter to you that we start a war with Mexico, but it does to me living here in Texas."

You seem to be the only one talking about starting a war by merely enforcing our borders, so where did that come from? I've never heard of that before.

In any case, if enforcing our borders would start a war, then Mexico would be the one to start it, not the US.


Jimmy 2 years ago

We need to finish the border fence and put high-tech monitoring devices in place. Then there needs to be a quick reaction force of military personnel tasked to respond to any incursions.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Jimmy - It seems that the extremely expensive border fence has been a dismal failure. To spend another dime on the fence would be a huge waste of money in my opinion.

It just may come down to the quick reaction military force to even begin to seal our border with Mexico. If anyone is illegally entering our country they should be captured, prosecuted, and put in jail.

Once the word gets out that it is not that easy anymore and there is a price to pay for illegal entry it would at least slow down.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

WillStarr - I believe when the cartels were firing .50 caliber weapons at our Border Patrol recently, the war has already begun. Of course our Border Patrol Agents are under orders not to shoot back and are armed with rubber bullets and bean bag rounds for their shotguns. The first battles if any will be with members of the drug cartels, not the Mexican Army.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Mike,

The Mexican Army has violated US sovereignty many times in the last few years, sometimes coming miles inside our border. The area south of Interstate 8, and west of Casa Grande is a no-go zone for American citizens, even though it's over 100 miles north of the border. But the Mexican Army has been spotted there.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

I had heard about that Bill. Almost every one of our public parks and recreation areas are now no-go or enter at your own risk zones. And this is on US soil.

Did someone forget to tell Homeland Security about this issue or is it just not important enough for them to bother with? Oh I forgot, this is vacation, fund raising, and golf time for our government.


Jayfort 2 years ago

@austinstar - I have lived in Texas and have many friends there. I'm not that far away in Oklahoma. As a former military member, I wish the USA never had to fight ANY wars, but sometimes you just don't get that choice.

The cartels in Mexico (particularly in the north) are growing more and more powerful all the time just like ISIS in the Middle East. And there is growing evidence that ISIS is working with the cartels and vice versa! If that doesn't chill your blood, I don't know what will.

If Mexico was truly a good and friendly neighbor, then it would eradicate the cartels, get its military units in the north under control, and work WITH us to enforce our immigration laws and theirs!

There is an old expression...good fences make good neighbors. I've found this to be quite wise.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Wars are fought by choice. It may seem necessary to go to war sometimes, but what does it accomplish? Just the death of good and decent people. It never solves the original issue. Ever. In our entire history, has there ever been peace in the world? No. Maybe temporarily, but not lasting at all. So, unless we want to continue to make costly wars against our fellow humans, we need to find another way to solve issues. I hope we find those solutions before we destroy the world.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Jayfort - I like that saying about fences making good neighbors. I believe that to be true.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - Most often the decision to go to war is made by one side, and the other side is forced to defend itself.

There will never be true peace in this world as long as humans occupy the planet. That is just the nature of the beast with the beasts being we humans.

It is always about power, greed, and control, sometimes in the name of religion. As long as there are two humans on the planet the chance of war will exist.

I too wish we could find a way to end these senseless wars but don't see that happening until we finally destroy everyone on earth.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

And that is just the saddest thing we can say about ourselves.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Sometimes the truth is very sad indeed.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"Wars are fought by choice. It may seem necessary to go to war sometimes, but what does it accomplish? Just the death of good and decent people. It never solves the original issue"

Well, I haven't seen Hitler and the Nazis lately, have you? I'd say that 'issue' (the new word for 'problem') has been solved quite well.

The way to avoid war is to be so powerful and resolute that no one with common sense dares start a war with you. 9-11 was the first attack on Americans since WW2, and they were fanatics willing to die for Allah. Radical Muslims have no common sense

All the rest were other nation's wars that we fought for them, like Korea and Vietnam, which brings up another axiom...if you decide to fight a war, your goal should always be total victory. Otherwise, stay home.

But again, who's talking about a war with Mexico? If we simply enforce our borders, do you really think Mexico will declare war on us?

Really?


Hxprof 2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

It's sad, but IMO the only chance that Americans will wake up to the fact that weak border security equals death for many is to actually experience death for many. And another issue related to the security of our physical borders is the lack of enforcement of immigration laws - simple things like kicking someone out who's overstayed a visa. We have laws in place to deal with most current issues, but presidents Bush and Obummer have both insisted on something called "immigration reform" - yet it's a no-brainer that if we enforce current laws and secure our borders, both land and maritime, that we live more securely.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

WillStarr - I believe the drug cartels have already started a war with us but unfortunately our Border Patrol is forbidden to respond in kind. I have to wonder if these rules will change now that it is reported that ISIS is in Mexico and working with the cartels?

When they talk about a lack of manpower to secure the border, do you happen to remember the "Minutemen" from a few years back? The volunteered to help guard the border and were threatened with arrest if they didn't leave the area.

Following that, a small group of National Guardsmen were sent to the border, but were forbidden from displaying any weapons out in public view. They were also not allowed to stop and detain any illegals they might observe crossing the border.

I have to believe that if our open borders problem is strictly due to a lack of manpower that a call for volunteers would bring hundreds if not thousands of ex-military types to assist. They have the dicipline and training to be highly effective and a controlled force rather than a mob.

Before anyone brings it up, I know there are hundreds of miles of border to protect, but we know the most used routes at this time. I also know we have a border with Canada and two coastlines that are vulnerable, but right now our main problem is with our border with Mexico. Particularly with ISIS involvement this border needs to be sealed.

Between our own National Guard forces and qualified civilian volunteers we could almost immediately cut off access to the known drug and human smuggling routes forcing them to find new locations to cross. With our surveliance capabilty we could easily locate and seal off their alternate routes.

Keep in mind this is all being done on US soil so it makes it a defensive operation.

Your thoughts on this?


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Hxprof - I would hope that we are smart enough to do something before innocent people have to die, but doubt that will happen.

This administration is far more worried about the next election than anything else right now. Just delaying the planned Amnesty Bill could cost them some votes and they are sweating bullets over that.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"I have to believe that if our open borders problem is strictly due to a lack of manpower that a call for volunteers would bring hundreds if not thousands of ex-military types to assist. They have the discipline and training to be highly effective and a controlled force rather than a mob."

True, but why are they coming here in the first place? If we remove all the incentives, not only will they no longer have any reason to come, those who are already here would have no reason to stay and would have to either go home or starve.

After that, the only ones attempting to sneak across our borders would be drug smugglers and terrorists, both of whom should be considered armed and dangerous, so they should be treated like any other criminal.

We have drones with IR equipment that can detect movement for miles each way, and alert us to where the invaders are going to cross, day or night. That means that just a few BP officers can cover many miles of border.

We can stop the criminals easily, but first it takes the will to stop encouraging ordinary illegals to come to the US for political purposes. The real culprits are in Washington DC, and they are in both parties.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

@Will - "Well, I haven't seen Hitler and the Nazis lately, have you?" I guess you haven't noticed that 'skin heads' are still around, the KKK is still operational, and many other groups don't like the Jews also, including ISIL.

Like we have seen in Iraq - Bush claims that "mission accomplished" meant that the Islamist militants were put squarely in their place, but, of course that isn't true. All he accomplished was to make a whole new generation of radicals madder at us and give them more reasons to hate us.

Mexico doesn't hate us and won't declare war on us, true. All they want are jobs and a better life, just like every immigrant that ever came to the U.S.A.

Do you know what their motto is? - Pobre Mexico, tan lejos de Dios, tan cerca de los Estados Unidos del Norte - which means, Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the U.S.A.

Ending the war on drugs in this country would go a long way toward ending the drug cartels (just like prohibition ended the gangsters of alcohol). Legitimate business would step in and the cartels would lose their customers. Just like what happened to the illicit alcohol peddlers.

As far as ISIL being in Mexico, it's because they see that opportunity and they grab it. Again, I suggest that if we get our noses out of the Middle East that they will also leave us alone. It's THEIR country and THEIR war. Let them have it! Quit stirring up those hornet nests!


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"@Will - "Well, I haven't seen Hitler and the Nazis lately, have you?" I guess you haven't noticed that 'skin heads' are still around, the KKK is still operational, and many other groups don't like the Jews also, including ISIL."

I never said that new enemies would not spring up. I was pointing out that war sometimes does solve problems, like Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and fascist Italy.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"Mexico doesn't hate us and won't declare war on us, true. All they want are jobs and a better life, just like every immigrant that ever came to the U.S.A.

Do you know what their motto is? - Pobre Mexico, tan lejos de Dios, tan cerca de los Estados Unidos del Norte - which means, Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the U.S.A."

The reason Mexicans suffer is because Mexico is one of the most corrupt nations on Earth. That's what needs to change.

When we won the Mexican-American war, we actually conquered all of Mexico. In hindsight, we should have turned the whole nation into part of the US, and we would not be having these problems. The only border we would have to guard is Mexico's much smaller southern border.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

WillStarr - we can't even do anything about the corruption in our own government let alone that of Mexico.

Our own government is getting closer and closer to operating just like they do in Mexico. Politicians for sale to the highest bidder. Huge and profitable government contracts awarded to large campaign contributors. No-bid contracts handed to unqualified companies due to favors owed or possible financial kick backs.

Our government is all about themselves, their money, keeping their jobs, and they could really care less about the citizens of this country.

Sounds a little like Mexico doesn't it?


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Old Poolman - I see it the same way. I doubt there is one politician in the entire world that is not a slimy self centered bastard. Who else would want the job?

I'm afraid everything is just going to get worse and worse and never get better. Too many people on the planet.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Nonetheless, Mexico is a terrible place to live because it is run by corrupt politicians lining their own pockets at the expense of their citizens. Every facet of Mexican life is ruled by corruption, including the police, military, courts, and government.

After WW2, my father-in-law was in charge of bringing the first Sears-Roebuck stores to Mexico, and several times, they had to pay the 'mordida'...the bite...the bribe in order to proceed. It was either that or go to prison. He was once held at gunpoint until the money was paid.

Capitalism does not flourish under corruption and its tight controls, which is why the average Mexican citizen is so poor. However, crime does flourish under corruption which again, is why the average Mexican citizen is so poor.

If we want to fix immigration, first we have to deal with Mexican corruption, and we can do that by applying enough political and economic pressure on Mexico to force it to clean up its act.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona Author

Bill, I could be very mistaken but I believe we owe Mexico money we have borrowed from them.

Now that the drug cartels really control Mexico, all the politicians, the Army, and the Police. Those they couldn't buy they either kill or threaten to kill them and their families.

The drug cartels now own Mexico. Many think we caused this problem by people buying the illegal drugs they sell, and that is partially true. But their drug distribution is not limited to just the US, the peddle drugs worldwide.

I actually see no way to stop this now because there would be little or no help from the Mexican government. Perhaps John Kerry can come up with a solution.


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Rhonda Lytle 22 months ago from Deep in the heart of Dixie

Well, let's see, here we are five months later and the situation is worse, proving your points. There is now a Measles epidemic in America blamed by the President on parents who don't vaccinate. This lie is an easy one to bust when one looks at the timing. It came from the illegals he brought knowing they were infected when he did it. Further evidence can be found in the fact that all American children are required to provide written proof of vaccination from a doctor or licensed clinic to be in school.

To make matters worse, prayer rugs, copies of the Qur'an and other such Muslim paraphernalia is being increasingly found all along the Texas border. Having lived in Texas for over 20 years, I can honestly tell you it's much worse than anyone is reporting. The schools have become gang land war zones as have many parts of just about every town.

The saddest thing about this to me is that it is a clear cut act of treason on behalf of the President. At any time in the history of the world this would have been called exactly what it is, an invasion of a sovereign nation. His allowing, aiding and funding of the situation only proves it's part of his agenda, one that purposefully hurts every American. How can this be called anything but what it is, an act of preparation for takeover? I so wish folks would wake up and smell the Trojan horse. Sadly, I don't see elected officials on the other side doing anything to stop it but flapping their lips. It's become a crazed soap opera on news feeds daily where one side screams at the other but no one does anything, just like paid wrestlers who duke it out til the bell rings then go out together for beers after the show. God love you for speaking out on behalf of what was once a great nation and is rapidly becoming a third world cesspool, just like the ones all those illegals are fleeing.


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Austinstar 22 months ago from Somewhere in the universe

RL - Hey, I'm against immigration, but do you SERIOUSLY think Obama carried measles infected kids over the border and took them to Disneyland? Parents may sign a waiver if they don't want their kids to be vaccinated. No one is forcing them to get vaccinated (Rick Perry tried it and he almost got shot for it.).

Where are these copies of the Koran and "muslim" paraphernalia at? I live in Texas and I'm not seeing it.

The schools are not "gang land war zones". That's something you see on Fox news maybe, but it's false. Our schools are safer than ever. There is just better reporting on the incidents that happen in our over crowded, overpopulated society

Treason? Treason is what you are doing to our country yourself. Instead of whining about your perceived hatred of Obama, why don't you get off your ass and volunteer to help in a positive way?


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Old Poolman 22 months ago from Rural Arizona Author

Rhonda Lytle - Thanks for you comment. It will be a long time before we see the total impact of what ignoring border security has caused this country.


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Old Poolman 22 months ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - Thanks for stopping by and sharing your side of the story.


Hxprof 22 months ago from Clearwater, Florida

Rhonda and Austinstar: This whole border debacle IS treasonous, but it's a betrayal that's been going on for quite some time.

The federal government has the job of securing our borders. Clinton didn't do it, Bush II didn't do it and Obama isn't doing it. Congress hasn't lifted a finger to force the hand of any of these presidents - few politicians are without guilt in this.

Austinstar: There are folks that have volunteered to help address our border situation. You've heard of the Minutemen, right? Our goal was to shame an apparently shameless government into fulfilling its duty. We failed. Sadly, that leaves us with little alternative but to whine and to wait for the inevitable attacks that will take out one or more of our cities while killing thousands of Americans.


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Old Poolman 22 months ago from Rural Arizona Author

Hxprof - It has become very obvious that our Politicians and our entire Government can't be shamed into doing anything that would be good for our country.


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Venkatachari M 22 months ago from Hyderabad, India

I am new to these things. I live India and know about our tensions with China, Pakistan, etc. But, this is a very interesting hub to know about problems being faced by other people. You have presented it very well which needs serious solution from governments of both sides. Thanks for sharing your views on it.


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Old Poolman 22 months ago from Rural Arizona Author

Venkatachari M - Thank you very much for stopping by and for the interesting comment. I would guess that open or poorly controlled borders and a problem not unique to the USA. Most of us now realize that our government is not interested in controlling our border, and will take action against any civil groups who try to do so.

The world is indeed a strange place that is constantly changing.


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Austinstar 22 months ago from Somewhere in the universe

Hxprof - There has NEVER been a president, congress, or military that has "controlled" our borders. Even other countries have extreme difficulties in controlling their borders as evidenced by Venkatachari's response.

Maybe it's because it's an IMPOSSIBLE job! I rather think that it is rather impossible to shut down a border of any country.

Therefore, our money, time, and efforts should be put into more useful opportunities.

We need to convince everyone to quit MOVING around! There is no reason to move to another country. If you don't like the country you are living in, then you need to organize a better government, better community, or better improvements to your OWN country.

The grass is not greener on the other side of the fence! Instead, people should water their own land so to speak.

I'm not saying that tourism shouldn't be allowed. Tourism can be a vital boost to a country's economy.

What I am saying is that we should get our own houses in order. Grow up and learn to live side by side. Greed, war, and envy aren't working. It's time to try something else.

Think Global and act local!


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Old Poolman 22 months ago from Rural Arizona Author

Austinstar - Excellent points. I have to agree that a truly secure border is probably an impossibility. The huge amounts of money spent in the failed efforts to control our borders could really do some good in other problem areas.


Hxprof 22 months ago from Clearwater, Florida

Austinstar - I agree with you that if people would just change we wouldn't have the problems we have, and therefore, we wouldn't have to be concerned with what/who is coming into our country.

But, people aren't going to change, not on the whole anyway. Greed and war don't "work", yet humans have continued to use them for thousands of years....something called human nature. The condition of our border security has become a mote point. At one time I think we could have done the job using not just greater security but by investing in Mexico, helping the country help itself before things went bad; we missed that opportunity.

As for me, I've accepted as fact that evil reigns, world wide. I expect no solution until this age is wrapped up and in the bucket.


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Old Poolman 22 months ago from Rural Arizona Author

Hxprof - I agree with you. I truly believe the world is now in a downward spiral that will only end when the last human being is gone from the planet.

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