Peace and Civility

Mario Savio

Freedom Of Speech

"...There comes a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odius makes you so sick at heart that you can't take part,you can't even passively take part and you've got to put your bodies upon the wheels and upon the levers and you've got to tell the people that run it,the people who own it that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all"

That quote above is an excerpt from a speech given by a man named Mario Savio on the Sproul Hall steps at the University of California,Berkeley.The top photograph on the right is of Mario standing on top of a car and giving an impromptu speech to a crowd of students who had gathered to protest the University banning all political activity and fundraising.Fresh off of a trip to Mississippi,on a mission to help African Americans register to vote,Mario returned to the university to find that the very freedoms he was away fighting for had been banned for all students.Mario had returned with the intent of raising money for the Civil Rights movement and was distraught by what he'd found.He would tell his friend Karlyn Barker that he could not forget what he'd done and the people that he'd just met in Mississippi a few weeks before.

Against the will of then U.C. president Clark Kerr,the students set up tables and booths to raise funds subsequently the police were called.One student in particular was chosen by the police because he'd set up a booth.After havingh his set up and table broken down by the police,he was arrested and placed in the rear of a police car.Unable to contain the passion for justice that raged within him,Mario kicked off his shoes and climbed on top of the police car and someone yelled from inside the crowd "Sit Down",everyone in the crowd sat down.Mario proceeded to give a rousing speech and the ensuing peaceful sit-in(stand off) would last 32 hours.

The next time Mario would climb on top of the car again it was to say this to the members of the peaceful protest "I ask you to rise quietly and with dignity and go home"The steps of Sproul Hall would later be renamed the Mario Savio steps a year after his death in 1997.

I have often wondered what else did we lose with the passing of men and women like Mario Savio from the generation before mine.My preliminary conclusion brought me to seeing the obvious first,solidarity.Something that happened recently closer to my home and in this age that we all share now,exemplified this trend and solidified my personal observations,that people are afraid to do what is right today,even if that means putting yourself in a position to go against the wishes of your superiors.For example watch this clip below:


Don't Tase Me Bro

Peace At Any Price

The man who gets tasered in the video is named Andrew Meyer.I've spent much time analysing the rhetoric that he'd been reading to better understand his perceptions and questions he was asking in the extended edition of this video.I read the book he was holding but the rhetoric isn't important here.I spent even longer with the video itself,Is it me or is the majority of the crowd just sitting there?At an institute of higher learning getting arrested for asking a question and barely anyone moved,really disturbs me..When compared to the reaction of the youth from a generation ago,the implications of this societal shift seem ominous to me.In the extended version of the clip Mr.Meyer is told what he is being arrested for and his response to the police officer is "For asking a question?"Mr.Meyer was tasered and arrested for "Inciting A Riot"The question was posed to Senator John Kerry and that was the amplified voice you heard as Senator Kerry casually kept talking as the student was pleading with the police officers not to be tasered.I would've expected a man elected to preserve our fundamental rights,a man who at one point wanted to be our president,would have said something.

I ask you to consider if Mario Savio was to climb on top of a car,as this student was being arrested would that have been considered inciting a riot today?The comparison is stark and you can clearly see the difference between these two events,over the span of 40 years.Mr.Meyer's scream of "Don't tase me bro" gained notoriety,bumper stickers,songs and even made Yale university's list of best quotes for the year.This passive acceptance of his loss of Freedom of Speech should be disheartening to any American with thoughts on their minds and enough passion in their hearts to say something,this includes a passion for peace.Regardless of Mr.Meyers rhetoric I'd expect more to have spoken up because the acceptance of his lost freedom means the acceptance of yours.One day when you need to speak up,for peace for instance, your silence is your accepting this same treatment of you.I consider it a travesty that the apathetic citizenry around you may casually press on as if nothing is happening to you,even if that citizen is one you elected to preserve and defend those very freedoms that we all consider fundamental and inalienable rights.

Well maybe I am alone in this but I believe every human being on this planet has the fundamental right to speak freely and without risk of retribution.That we are born with this freedom is a self evident truth,that Thomas Jefferson so eloquently expressed for us to remember.This is true especially if I don't agree with you and I will stand with you in solidarity,for you to be able to have your say and I expect the same from you.Eventually enough of humanity will discontinue being pawns of the oligarch's and the demands for peace will waft through the windows of their Ivory towers,that are the result of your labor and excised by taxation.

As reported by the B.B.C. in February of 2009 the British police are bracing for the summer of rage.From the machinations of Homeland Security and the thoughts from one of the U.S. Army's think tanks,which I frequently visit,America is not far behind maybe in their estimation, It's better to call it (in America) a fall of rage.From what we've all seen taking place around the world,there is little civility in these protests from either side (police/citizenry)and they quickly dissolve into anarchy.

We have been behaving in such an uncivilised manner in our own culture wars here in the States that the voices of reason and screams for peace and revulsion at our collective trajectory will be drowned out by the sounds of our screams for mercy,or silenced,shackled and sentenced for inciting a riot.Perhaps we should look into the mirror at our own contributions to this trend and that maybe,just maybe those who we loathe because of our perceived differences are really not that different from us.This can be evidenced in this very microcosm and playground for those interested in sociology, called hubpages.I spend more time reading these hubs than I do writing them and I am fascinated by the "hubtivity"People from all over the world of different faiths,perspectives,backgrounds and upbringing find common ground and develop friendships through a shared love of art,poetry,humor,music,literature etc...Everything that we miss about each other while we're too busy arguing in the real world or simply too afraid to find out of another outside of our social circles and perceived hierarchies,is learned here.Maybe the world would be a better place if we all walked around with a profile page on our backs,I may not like your views on(insert topic here)but I sure did like that (insert topic here) in your profile,so maybe you're O.K. even if we don't agree on everything.

Our future and the very world that our children inherit depends on our solidarity and respect for each other as individuals,regardless of our personal differences.As I lurk on these pages sampling the thoughts of people of all ethnicities,philosophies and ideologies one thing is clear,the odiousness of the rulers of our "machine"is becoming obvious to most and what is good for Wall St. isn't neccesarily good for Main St.The brutal truth is that we have been contributing to our loss of freedoms by the way we treat each other and allow each other to be treated.The Homeland Security apparatus is growing and remains in the control of whichever side we elect to power.

As I write this there is a 16 year old boy from North Carolina in custody after his mother and siblings were awakened by a team of federal agents.Ten federal agents and 3 state troopers, stormed the boys home and took him away.He is alleged to have made bomb threats and because the Patriot Act was used to justify the raid and arrest his mother can not get him out or get any answers.If any of you have read the Patriot Act the child is now considered an enemy of the state and he is then stripped of all of his rights.I will include the video below,if you're interested in hearing his mother tell the story.

During the 2004 R.N.C.(Republican National Convention) hundreds of protesters were arrested and detained simply for walking peacefully beyond the protest zones(Protest Zones???).Many members of the political right knew about it and remained silent.Let them arrest those pink commies they deserve it and they are a threat to national security.It's been interesting to watch how quickly the focus of the Homeland Security apparatus zoomed in on the right when the political left gained control.Ahhh,but who's paying attention those racist facist deserve it,after all they are the real threat to national security.To the members of the apparatus they means you,it simply depends on the perceptions of whoever is giving the commands.Eventually a continuation on this path will mean that they means us.

And so the people continue to play checkers,linear in thought and limited in vision,distracted by the circus presented by the media with very little truth,mostly propaganda,who cares about the truth when Brittany Spears shaves her head,now that's news you can use.In my personal opinion this is allowed to happen,even encouraged,since it provides the cover for the oligarchs to continue to play chess,filling your minds with doublespeak, while convincing the brutes that they are engaged in a game of checkers.George Orwell summed up the results of this trend beautifully in the novel 1984 "If you want a picture of the future,imagine a boot stomping on a human face---forever"

The avoidance and end to this potential future is also the beginnings of peace in my humble opinion.Peace begins with having the civility to listen,debate,negotiate even argue then defending your ideological opponents right to do the same.In other words peace and the preservation of freedom begins with you and from my perspective very soon we will have realised that while we were arguing,the very freedoms we depend on to speak truth to power in America have slipped away and if we don't stand in solidarity then those brave enough to demand peace,in essence rocking the boat,will be taken away in the name of national security.For my children to live in peace I would pay any price,so I stand with you in solidarity,citizens of this world,so our children can live in peace together.

I have only a single request and that is by forming this chain you hold the line at any price,you may not live to see the results of your efforts as this is sure to take some time.You may have to venture beyond your comfort zone or even <GASP> the protest zone but I promise, peace is worth it and you never know you may make a new friend of your perceived former enemy.Then when it's over we can all rise up in dignity and go home.

Oh look Brittany Spears is on the tube I gotta go.

Hold the line homelanders.


Mario Savio,Inciting a riot

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Cris A 7 years ago from Manila, Philippines

Mindless (that sounds weird! LOL)

You may want to edit and include the RSS so it goes into the loop of the peace hubs. And the picture, too. Follow Paper Moon's post on the forums.

Now I'm off to read this. :D

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author

Ok thanks Cris I just added the picture and I have no idea what an RSS is I'll go find out

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Cris A 7 years ago from Manila, Philippines


I had to go out and smoke a cig and fight off bitter tears after reading this for chrissake! That Savio was a god and his story should be heard and shared. At times like this, I don't even know how to begin describing peace. But this hub was so powerful it hit me at the core. It's to be able to rise with dignity and go home without fearing what's going on behind our backs and to wake up realizing we don't have to take to the streets ever again. But until then, I will link arms with the likes of you. Damn right I will!

Thanks for this truly great hub!

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author

Cris, I appreciate your thoughts and I am with you my friend.I am so glad to have been invited here and Paper Moon has my deepest respect for doing this.And you have my admiration for your ability to express the passions of peace in your poetry.I would change the name but I get a kick out of being considered a mindless brute in the real world,it gives me cover to gain insights and information...kinda like traveling to a country where you speak the language and fluent english and you never speak anything but english. You learn the truth when people think you aren't capable of understanding them.It's like wearing a cloak of invisibility,I think I've blown my cover on these

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Cris A 7 years ago from Manila, Philippines

I know what you speak of. Sometimes playing dumb or stupid or innocent has its benefits. The hard thing is letting the cat out of the bag, some people don't take being toyed with kindly.

Well, I'm glad you found this place. And so you know, you didn't fool me with the name! Ha! :D

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Shalini Kagal 7 years ago from India

What a hub - thank you!

Yes, we need to stand up and make our voices heard, forming a chain....'so our children can live in peace together;!

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author


Thank you for reading and for your support,you are welcome and I am with you!

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Teresa McGurk 7 years ago from The Other Bangor

Great hub. the video clips are pertinent -- and the ideas are engaging. Solidarity needs (paradoxically) the bravery of one or two people willing to put themselves forward to consolidate the many.

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author


Thank you for reading this hub and for leaving your comment.I agree with your observations and I've decided that I'd rather not wait for someone else to be the one brave enough to step forward,I've never been much of a follower...;-)

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Paper Moon 7 years ago from In the clouds

I have only made it part way through your hub. I have gotten as far as the video of the tasing. It is a travesty of justice and exactly what I fear. America seems to be dying. Dying in the hearts and minds of its complacent citizenry. This is more frightening than the German people’s inactivity to prevent the holocaust in that most of them said nothing out of fear, wherein now, most would say nothing out of complacency. This is especially disturbing after nobles like Mario Savio and William Kunsler, spoke up, led the way by example in our own modern era. It is terrifying to me that this occurred in a center for higher learning. The thought police have almost won. I will have to come back to finish reading. (I am sick with the flu. No, not THE flu..) Thank you for this beautiful piece. It is the perfect additions to our project, Hubs unite for peace.

And if people are not scared, they are not paying attention.

TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago

Paper Moon

There is a story I'm reminded of as I read through your comment.There is an old man in a rocking chair rocking back and forth on his front porch on a lazy afternoon.His friend who has come over to pay him a visit notices,as he's walking up to the porch, that the old mans dog is lying near his master's chair.The dog's tail is extended underneath one of the rockers of the chair and with every sway,the dog's tail is being crushed.The friend then says to the old man"Did you notice that you're crushing your dog's tail" and the old man replies"If it bothered him he'd move"

I wonder if the American people aren't bothered enough to move and like faithful servants to their masters they will continue the accept scraps at the risk of upsetting the hand that feeds them.I wonder if the people can be convinced that our elected officials are servants of the people.Or are they too Lost in the latest television drama to care?Are they too busy exscinding the drama of Grey's anatomy,to dissect the machinations of the aristocracy.

We don't have to look as far back as the rise of the Nazi's to see eerie similarities to our present condition.The expense scandal that threatens the stability of the British government as I type this is affecting both the Tory and the Labour parties.One such M.P. who got caught with their snout in the trough charged the British taxpers to have their MOAT cleaned.(you couldn't make this stuff up)We haven't even cracked open the books on our own leadership but everyone knows our politicians are crooked.

The Paris riots in 2005,that set sections of France on fire for several weeks had an undertone centered around immigration and unemployment.This week Californians have finally had enough of the increases in fees and taxes to pay for their governments expenditures and the end result will be cutbacks in schools,healthcare,welfare etc...regardless of anyone's views on these measures California has the most immigrants(legal or illegal)who depend on suckling at the bosom of the bureaucracy to survive.The rise in unemployment for all Californians,the already red hot issue over illegal immigration and 80% of prisoners to be released because the state can no longer afford it,should make the next year an interesting one for all Californians.

In 2001 the economy of Argentina collapsed as that nation lost 4% of it's G.D.P. causing the people to run on the banks,forcing bank closures as the banks quickly collapsed.The people then turned their attention to their own government and eventually their protests went from banging pots and pans in the street to a massive stand off in the Plaza De Mayo.The government released the hell hounds after declaring a state of seige (on the people).The dogs of war were clad in full riot gear,tear gas,armored vehicles and on horseback and the people stood strong for two days.On the 2nd day president De la Rua resigned and fled by helicopter,as the people chanted "This square belongs to the mothers,not for cowardly others"

Several deaths were reported during this confrontation but the people held the line in solidarity.Anyone's opinion of the resulting government is irrelevant to me however the actions taken by the people are.I am sure this remains fresh in the minds of the aristocrats that filled the vacuum and the true hierarchy is restored.The 34th bank to collapse this year was in Florida 2 days ago,not too far from where I went to high school,the only thing on the news here is rain and flooding,thirty four banks in five months.The American taxpayer will share in the losses on $10,700,000,000.00 through the F.D.I.C but who's paying attention,it's difficult enough just trying to keep a clean moat these days.

"When the people fear their government there is tyranny,when the government fears the people there is liberty."

Thomas Jefferson said that and our government has nothing to fear so they keep rocking back and forth...Democrats...Republicans...Democrats...Republicans... back...forth...back....forth and the people remain curled up at their feet too complacent to move.

I thank you sir for your contribution towards peace and for inspiring others to make their own contributions.We may not see eye to eye on every issue but you have my solidarity as you attempt to stay ahead of the curve.I hope you feel better soon.

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James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

This is an outstanding, penetrating Hub, Brother.  Our citizens are being fattened up like sheep being led to the slaughter.  You are so right in everything you say here.  Amazing work, Brute.  Thank you!

(I will add one dissent: I was at the Republican National Convention in New York in 2004 and the people were not arrested for standing in the wrong place.  They were screaming at the top of their lungs, with faces wrenched in hatred, every foul name in the book at little old ladies who were trying to get from the street to the convention hall.  They were menacing, shaking their fists right in people's faces and spitting on them.  It was scary—and I am 6'3" 215 pounds.  I saw 70 year old 110 pound ladies getting this treatment right in front of me and I am surprised they didn't have heart attacks.  The cops told the intimidators to move back, they refused, they were arrested. It was absolutely not a peaceful assembly.)

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author


Thank you for your first hand perspective on the 2004 R.N.C. convention and I think that it makes an extremely valid observation and the point I tried to get across in this hub.How can anyone carry on a conversation with someone trying to spit on you!This lack of civility is taking us in the wrong direction!I appreciate you reading and commenting to this hub and I'll try to get one out on H.G. soon.

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Jewels 7 years ago from Australia

Right in front of our faces we are being conned to the eyeballs.  And it's a serious problem that people don't give a shit.  Being silenced not only comes from an officer of the law seen to be doing what he thinks is right, but from what we are fed top down.  We don't have liberty but are convinced we are at peace.

Lambs to the slaughter because we want to be cattle chewing on the fat of the land.

Again I scoff at those who say we have freewill.  Ignorant people don't have freewill, except to stay ignorant.  Choices are therefore made within the confines of what we are fed.

From the mouth of Dr Russell Blaylock in relation to our toxic drip medication aspartame.  This could be seen as an aside to this topic, but it is not. Join the dots and it's all linked.

"We're seeing a society that not only has allot more people of lower IQ but a lot fewer people of higher IQ.  In other words a chemical dumbing down on society.  So everyone is sort of mediocre.  That leaves them dependant on Goverrnment because they can't excel..  We have these people of lower IQ who are totally dependant, then we have this mass of people who are going to believe anything they are told because they can't really think clearly.  And very few people of very high IQ who have good cognetive function who can figure all this out  And that's what they want.  So you can kind of piece it together as to why they are so insistent on spending hundreds of millions of dollars in propoganda money to dumb down society."

They?  Who is they?  Not sure if it's Government or those who own the Government.  Sorry for sounding so cynical, but I'm not sure who's running this outfit.

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author


I appreciate your views and they do not seem very cynical to me in the least.I'm glad you mentioned Aspartame,the story behind the approval of that addiditive is one that all Americans should know.It illuminates a clearer view of the power structure in this country in a asense that there is a revolving door between political office and private industry.Perhaps it is worth a hub in itself.I love your observation of choices being made within the confines of what we are fed,that sums it all up,precisely.Thank you for your comments as they are always concise and full of truth,you are a Jewel.

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James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

I just had to chime in and say that the comment above by Jewels is a brilliant analysis.

And you, Brute, you are the best and the brightest Hubber I know. I still want to hear about HG, though.

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Jewels 7 years ago from Australia

I really understand why people NEED a sense of humor. The truth is abhorrent. So much so that to reverse trends requires will beyond what is normally mustered. But as Emerson said "All that is needed for the absolute triumph of evil is for the good men to do nothing."

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author

@ James thank you for your kind compliment and I'm working on that hub right now.It may take two hubs to capture those thoughts!

@Jewels I love that quote and I hope that evil doesn't prevail!

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James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

Edmund Burke. I wouldn't mention it if there weren't a big difference in what the quote would mean between these two writers.

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author


I'm knee deep in the French revolution right now and I just read Burke's take on it the other day!I didn't know that he'd said that too,thank you.It's on the list right after 1508-Italy-Giorgione(haunted)...what I wrote down about his painting :-)

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Tom Cornett 7 years ago from Ohio

A very wise and moving hub. I many of us in the future or even possibly now, will be secretly labeled as insurgents. Will we peek out of our windows and watch our neighbors be arrested and driven away? Will we all come together and shout,"Enough!" I hope so.

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author

Tom Cornett,

I hope so too my friend and thank you for your kind words.And I'll be the first one on my street doing the shouting.In fact I'm ready to open my window and start shouting it right now...:-)

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Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

I live in Spain and people take to the streets in huge numbers when provoked by some event.  Hundreds of thousands went to the streets on our 9-11 day, which was March 11th when the terrorists bombed our trains at Atocha.

Hundreds of thousands went out when right-wing fanatics tried to usurp the government almost three decades ago.

The U.S. used to protest injustice but Viet Nam ended that since protestors were considered unpatriotic.  Yet wasn't it in the 1770's that Boston set the example that first saw large protests there?  How can protesting for liberty and justice be unpatriotic?

Only when the powers that be make it seem like it is so.  And both your major parties have decided that protesting is not a good thing.  Too bad for you.

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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author

Ivan the Terrible,

Thank you for reading and the history lesson on protesting in Spain.I remember reading about the protests after the March bombing on the train.If I remember correctly the involvement of Spain in the Iraq war was extremely unpopular with most Spainards.However do not feel bad for Americans we are a young country full strong people and we will get it together again.

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tonymac04 7 years ago from South Africa

Thanks for a great Hub. We need to be reminded of the importance of civilty, the importance of treating everyone with respect and dignity.

Thanks for also for bringing to my consciousness Mario Savio - I had not heard of him before. Great man!

Love and peace


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TheMindlessBrute 7 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author


You are welcome and you are right he truly was a great man.One of my personal favorite historical figures,he brought out the best in the people around him by his actions and his rhetoric,we need more people like him in this world.Thank you for reading and leaving your comments.Peace and love,it's such a simple,yet effective formula and I wish the same for you.

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Maraiya Storm 6 years ago from Prescott, Arizona

Excellent, insightful hub!

That story about what happened to that student simply because he asked a question...that's really really serious and very chilling. I wouldn't have thought that this could happen in America, even though I know it's getting worse and worse in America. There is also a lot of brainwashing and lies being taught in many of America's universities nowadays. The propaganda and lies are just the schools, in the medical profession, the government, the media, the entertainment industry, books...everywhere.

If those other students at the University of Florida had stood up to protest what was being done to Andrew Myer, then they could have been attacked and arrested, too. The question is, were they just afraid and being self-protective? Or, were they numbed, dumbed down and blinded? Were they just zombies, like Hitler's armies? I am really not sure which it was, without knowing those students and without having been there to sense and see what their reactions really were. I think that both can happen. Sometimes it's fear and being self-protective, and sometimes it's some kind of dreamlike stupor and blind acceptance. The latter is really scary, I must say.

Back in the sixties, I was just horrified that the police were beating up, teargassing and arresting peaceful, loving young demonstrators in America. I still sometimes think back on this and wonder why our police were/are so very blind, abusive and unjust. Was it the government that was ordering them to do this? They were acting absolutely insane, like Hitler's armies, brainwashed and mind-controlled. Were/are they just misguided, or are they just very dark and evil souls? We don't hear too much about this sort of thing anymore in America, as there are few protests in the streets anymore....why is this? Is it because everyone remembers the sixties and how the police were so cruel and brutal to the protesters? Or, are people not protesting much anymore because it never seems to really change the government or the brainwashed society? Are people no longer protesting and speaking out about the injustices because they are afraid to for fear of harm coming to them? Or, are they not speaking out because they are just sort of "asleep" or mind-controlled or complacent?

Back in the sixties, I was afraid to chime in with those protesters for fear of getting beaten up, teargassed and arrested. Then, later on, I also decided I didn't want to participate because I believed that protesting doesn't change the government or the society. Those in power just stay in power, usually; however, although some things did change for a while, it didn't last, and then new laws turned around the other new laws, taking this country back to where it was before some of the good changes happened. So, even if we progress two steps forward, it's always two steps back again. It goes nowhere, it seems.

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TheMindlessBrute 6 years ago from Orlando,Florida Author


It does feel as if we are taking steps backwards.My hope is that we don't devolve into tribal warfare but it seems inevitable.I read a story yesterday where a woman ran over another human being...because she supported an opposing baseball team.We are trained to seperate ourselves into groups,it is a self evident truth as soon as you get into junior high.

The escalation of violence in our culture worries me more than anything else and I am convinced that we will begin to see violence in our streets before there is a an uprising from the people like you and me who just want to live in peace,today,tomorrow and forever.

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