Aborting Down Syndrome Babies

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90% of all babies with Down Syndrome are aborted.

When asked the question, "Would you abort a baby with down syndrome?" Some people posted the following comments on various websites:

"While some people are prepared to take on babies with learning difficulties, not many are -- and I wouldn't condemn a child to a life drifting through the care system."

"In my opinion I think it is cruel to force a living being to live a life destined for pain and loneliness. We shoot horses to put them out of their misery and yet we still cant find it in our heart to relieve or prevent human suffering "

"I would AND would prefer to be myself aborted rather than live with a condition like that."

"I would not have a down syndrome child or one with a disability if I could prevent it I would. I would terminate the pregnancy and try again in the future for another one. I think it is great that we are able to screen for these defects now early and can prevent DS and other Disabilities. Like polio, ds will be a thing of the pass."

"I think that it would be the best thing to do for the child and parent in the long-run, though, it would still be very hard."

What is Down Syndrome?

Down Syndrome is a chromosomal disorder caused by the presence of all or part of an extra 21st chromosome. Usually Down syndrome comes with impaired cognitive ability and physical growth. The disorder can also include a higher risk for congenital heart defects, gastroesophageal reflux disease, ear infections, obstructive sleep apnea and thyroid dysfunctions.

Testing for Down Syndrome

Down Syndrome can be detected in the womb through genetic testing. It used to be that this testing was done on women 35 years and older.

Recently, the the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, have recommended that all pregnant women, regardless of age have their fetus tested for the extra chromosome that causes Down Syndrome.

Amniocentesis is a test performed between weeks 16 and 18 week of a woman's pregnancy. The doctor inserts a hollow needle into the woman's abdomen to remove a small amount of amniotic fluid from around the developing fetus. This fluid can be tested to check for genetic problems. Amniocentesis carries a slight risk of inducing a miscarriage.

Chorionic villus sampling is usually performed between the 10th and 12th weeks of pregnancy. The doctor removes a small piece of the placenta to check for genetic problems in the fetus. This test carries the risk of inducing a miscarriage.

Percutaneous umbilical blood sampling (PUBS) is performed after the 18th week of pregnancy. Blood is taken from a vein in the umbilical cord and examined for chromosomal defects. This test carries a greater risk of miscarriage than does amniocentesis or chorionic villus sampling.

Ultrasound is a test done during pregnancy which uses sound waves to generate a picture or image of the fetus. Symptoms that can be seen via ultrasound include: a decrease in femur length, an increase in the skin behind the neck, cysts in a section of the brain that produces spinal fluid, heart defects and intestinal blockages.

Blood tests can be done along with an ultrasound to measure the levels of pregnancy-associated plasma protein-A (PAPP-A) and a hormone known as human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG). Abnormal levels of PAPP-A and HCG may indicate a problem with the baby.

Sarah Palin and her family became heroes in the pro-life community when Sarah DID NOT abort their baby, Trig, diagnosed with Down Syndrome before he was born.
Sarah Palin and her family became heroes in the pro-life community when Sarah DID NOT abort their baby, Trig, diagnosed with Down Syndrome before he was born. | Source
Not always the case.
Not always the case.

References

1"Prenatal Test Puts Down Syndrome in Hard Focus", The New York Times, May 9, 2007 by Amy Harmon

2"Down Syndrome Support Groups Rise to Counter Physicians’ Poor Diagnostic Practices" CNSNews.com October 16, 2008 by Penny Starr

3"Mothers: Doctors Too Negative When Diagnosing Down Syndrome" ABCNews.com October 13, 2005

The Medical Community's Negative Spin

There are a few problems associated with testing for down syndrome. One is that the tests can be inaccurate. With the ultrasound and blood tests, one in 20 women will have a positive result - far more than those who eventually deliver a baby with a chromosomal abnormality. Most women who have a positive result from a screening test deliver healthy babies. With Amniocentesis, CVS and PUBS, the results are between 98 and 99 percent accurate.

The other problem with this testing is that when it is found that a baby could have down syndrome, doctors often portray a gloom and doom scenario to the parents. When parents are told their baby has Down syndrome, it is often put in such a negative way by medical professionals, that the final result of the process is a Down syndrome abortion. If medical professionals and health care workers had a more positive attitude to Down syndrome pregnancies, then the Down syndrome abortion rate would drop substantially.1

Dr. Brian Skotko, a pediatrician at Boston Children’s Hospital, conducted a survey of more than 1,000 women who had a Down syndrome child, 12.5 percent of which were mothers who had received a pre-natal diagnosis. Those 141 women reported “incomplete, inaccurate or offensive” information about Down syndrome at the time of diagnosis. They also said they weren’t connected to resources that could help them understand their child’s condition.2

In another survey, mothers of children with Down syndrome reported physicians were overwhelmingly negative when diagnosing fetuses and newborns with Down syndrome, often advising the mother to discontinue the pregnancy or to put the child up for adoption. The findings of the survey fueled a complicated debate over termination of fetuses diagnosed with a disability, with abortion opponents citing the survey as proof doctors can influence a woman's decision to keep her baby or not. 3

Members of the group KIDS - Keeping Infants with Down Syndrome - at the 2010 Right to Life March in Washington D.C.
Members of the group KIDS - Keeping Infants with Down Syndrome - at the 2010 Right to Life March in Washington D.C.

Fighting Back

In May 2008, Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington, announced the formation of the Congressional Down Syndrome Caucus. Its mission is to educate members of Congress and their staff about Down syndrome; support legislative activities that would improve Down syndrome research, education and treatment; and promote public policies that would enhance the quality of life for those with Down syndrome.

In the fall of 2008, a bill called the Prenatally and Postnatally Diagnosed Conditions Awareness Act, sponsored by Sen. Sam Brownback and the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

This Act aims to promote programs to give new or expectant parents the latest information about Down syndrome or other disabilities and to give them referrals to support services. The law also authorizes the government to help create a national registry to connect birth parents with people who want to adopt a child with Down syndrome.

There are also groups being formed, such as KIDS - Keep Infants with Down Syndrome, whose objective is to challenge the misinformation that often leads a mother to abort her child diagnosed to have Down Syndrome. KIDS was founded by Eileen Haupt and Leticia Velasquez, who both have daughters with Down syndrome. As Haupt said, "The one thing that prenatal testing cannot tell you is the unspeakable joy that your child with Down syndrome will give you."

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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

Ohhhhhhh what a great hub! Sad to hear people aborting any baby! I am PROLIFE-PRO GOD no matter who in this world deems worthy or not worthy to live! It is just another case of eugenics!

Down syndrome babies are so lovable and adorable and sweet and I could never imagine any one saying the things they have in your hubs. Often medical science and their tests are WRONG and innacurate. Can you imagine the thoughts of those who not only aborted but found out that their was nothing genetically wrong with their baby? (I can bet that those who removed the baby wouldn't even tell them their ooopsies but that it happens more often than one knows!)

Oh I just love these little ones that I have met and they are gentle and so sweet. God loves them so much! I do also! I would never abort, especially a baby with downs syndrome. I would just love that baby the best I could! Great hub!!!

That picture of that cute little girl with pigtails is just so adorable!!!!


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thevoice 6 years ago from carthage ill

god speed great hub


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Specialk3749 6 years ago from Michigan

Great Hub!! We need to start looking at babies in the womb as a life...a life that God has created. If God decides to give us a "special" gift, we should except it and know that God gives "special needs children" to "special" parents.

I have a Down Syndrome nephew. He is now 26 years old and the only thing we would change about him is his health problems with his heart. Other than that, he has been a sweet and loving boy. Since he stays about the same age mentally, all of my kids have had him as a playmate at one point or another.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Ghost Whisperer - I agree it is sad that any baby is aborted. Eugenics is an evil mindset.

The kids and adults I have come across with Down Syndrome are such beautiful people. They have so much love and want to help so much. They are so nonjudgemental.

Thank you so much for your wonderful comment!


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

thevoice - thank you so much for your comment.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

SpecialK - Life is life no matter what! Thank you for sharing about your nephew - it is sad that these kids have to sometimes contend with other health issues. But even after everything they go through they continue to be loving and kind - they are truly a gift!


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Vladimir Uhri 6 years ago from HubPages, FB

Cari Jean, yes, we are for life. Many people are sick, are we going to kill them all?

Materialism and Marxism do not care. But we do.

Great hub. Thanks.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Vladimir - I've wondered that too. Many parents decide to abort their baby when they learn it has down syndrome or some other special needs but would they kill their baby if at three months old it was diagnosed with cancer or something? It just doesn't make sense. If it's murder out of the womb it should be considered murder inside the womb.


coffeesnob 6 years ago

Cari,

I had not planned on doing much reading here as I am planning a hub series, but I could not resist this one. I gave a special place in my heart for DS kids and adults. thanks for writing this

CS


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this hub! I know while we're all trying to write hubs it can be hard to make time to read them as well.


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Pamela99 6 years ago from United States

This is a wonderfully written hub and you explained all the testing very well. I am pro life and I think it is wrong to assume because a child isn't perfect you just discard it. The attitude of many is ignorant as any gift from God is to be treasured. Good hub.


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itakins 6 years ago from Irl

Impaired cognitive ability , a high risk for heart disease, gastroesophageal reflux disease, ear infections, obstructive sleep apnea and thyroid dysfunctions and on and on.

With the utmost charity-but these are probably conditions many abortionists actually have.I wonder what gives their lives so much value.Of course they have power-to destroy life -and throw a God given gift of preserving life back in His face.


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sheila b. 6 years ago

I've been watching this debate since it began. We never imagined it would be used as birth control! Nor did we know there would be prenatal testing for not only birth defects but the sex of the child. I know of a couple with two daughters who kept on aborting girls, hoping for a boy! As for children with Down Syndrome, I've socialized with young adults with it, and wish I could be as happy as they are!


Leticia Velasquez 6 years ago

Great article, thank you for highlighting the tragic abortion rate of our children and our work with KIDS.

I am sorry to say that the money from the Prenatally Diagnosed Conditions Awareness Act, five million a year, will go to Down syndrome agencies Nation Down syndrome Society and National Down Syndrome Congress.

Sorry because, the month after the Act was passed, they met with Genetic Testing Groups and the American College of Obstetrics and Gynocologists, and worked out a plan of action on how to educate parents called "Towards Concurrance"(available on the KIDS Facebook page). We at KIDS are all for educating the public about the potential of our kids, however the end of "Toward Concurrance" is a section which is called 'Misconceptions'. In this section these groups deny Dr Skotko's established statistic of a 90% abortion rate. They deny that doctors push women into abortion and they deny that amnio and the other pre-natal tests are often used as 'search-and-destroy' missions to as the March of Dimes who developed amnio says 'lower birth defects'. Lowering a non-inherited birth defect by killing unborn babies who have it is nothing short of eugenics.

Please do not contribute to NDSS or NDSC until they repudiate the lie that our children are not targeted for destruction.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Pamela99 - thank you so much for your comment. It is sad that just because a baby isn't "perfect" then it doesn't deserve or have the right to live.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

itakins - wow! well put how many people have their own illnesses or defects who wouldn't think twice about aborting a baby who isn't perfectly healthy. I guess you're right, they do it because they can. Thanks for this thought-provoking comment.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

sheila b. - that is awful about the couple who aborted their babies because they were the wrong sex. That truly makes me sick to my stomach. I think that prenatal testing can be a good thing but of course there are those who will use it in the wrong way. Thanks for your comment.


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Ann Nonymous 6 years ago from Virginia

Hey Cari! A tough yet delicate subject to address and present but you did a good job. Bravo!


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brandyBachmann 6 years ago

I always wonder why people want to play God, is it exciting to have the final say on someone else's life? is it nice to know that you have the power to let another person live or die?

"I would AND would prefer to be myself aborted rather than live with a condition like that."

thats what you prefer but how about the child you're going abort? I think people these days are becoming too selfish, they think that just because their child has down syndrome or a defect that he/she doesn't have the right to live or that down syndrome causes pain and suffering to the one who has it, even though they have not experienced it themselves. I would just like to remind everyone that our rights end where the rights of others begin and that includes the right to live


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swosugrad09 6 years ago from Oklahoma

Great hub! I work with a middle school girl who has Down Syndrome and I love her!! She is such a joy and blessing to everyone in our entire school :)


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ForkArtJunkie 6 years ago from USA

Really nice Hub Page. To be honest, when I first came to this page I thought it would be a preachy, self-righteous lecture about how those that decide to terminate pregnancy with this syndrome are awful people. That's not what this is at all. Instead, you brought in another side of the story that, at least I think, people rarely hear. Extremely well done. I think anyone, regardless of if you are "pro-life" or "pro-choice" could benefit from reading this.


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itakins 6 years ago from Irl

Cari Jean

I have taken the liberty of sending this hub to my blogsite,it will automatically backlink to here.

Great hub.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Leticia - I was pleasantly surprised to get a comment from you. I greatly appreciate it. I'm sorry to hear the news about the money going to the Nation Down syndrome Society and National Down Syndrome Congress. It is terrible what is written in the 'Misconceptions' section and I totally agree with your statement that "Lowering a non-inherited birth defect by killing unborn babies who have it is nothing short of eugenics." It is a true tragedy that people have this kind of mindset.

Thanks again for your comment and for adding the link to this hub on your blog.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Ann Nonymous - thank you so much for your comment, it is very appreciate and encouraging!


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

brandyBachmann - very well-put comment. I think people like to "play God" because it makes them feel like they have power or it makes them feel like they are in control. The reality is that God is in control and I would much rather have it that way than try to control everything myself!


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

swosugrad09 - thanks so much for your comment. I totally commend you for working with special needs kids! It seems that most kids who have Down Syndrome have such a positive effect on people. They are so full of love and joy!


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

ForkArtJunkie - I truly appreciate your comment and how you honeslty felt when you first came to this page. I love that you said, "I think anyone, regardless of if you are 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice' could benefit from reading this."


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

itakins - wow again! Thank you so much for adding this link to your blogsite! can you give me the link to your site - I'd love to check it out!


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HealthyHanna 6 years ago from Utah

Thanks for thinking this through and expressing it in such an objective manner.


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itakins 6 years ago from Irl

http://irishmammy-wheresmy.blogspot.com/

Cari Jean

As requested!

I need to tidy it up a bit:)


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kj8 6 years ago from Australia

Great hub! It is so sad to think that people could make comments like the ones at the top of the article. People like that don't deserve to have any children, what if there child has a speech impediment or hearing problems or isn't beautiful?


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Painted Seahorse 6 years ago from Woodstock, GA

Thanks for the great hub. I agree with what the others have said. A family friend and our nextdoor neighbors have children with DS. I would challenge anyone to look at these beautiful kids and tell them that their life is of less worth than a "normal" person's.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

HealthyHannah - thank you so much for your comment.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

kj8 - Exactly! I agree with you 100%! Some babies are aborted for being the wrong sex or for having a club foot - who are we to think that every baby should be perfect? Thanks so much for your comment.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Painted Seahorse - any special needs child's life is worth just as much as anyone else's. Thanks for your great comment.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

itakins - I checked out your blog - love the live feed widget you have so I decided to add it to my blog as well. Thanks again for adding my link!


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Mamelody 6 years ago

That is sick that someone should abort a baby just because they have DS. Every baby has the right to live and no human has authority over the life of another. I believe that's why one of the ten commandments is "though shall not kill" just shows what a selfish inhuman world this earth has become. Great hub hun xx


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

I agree it's a difficult prospect, and it absolutely takes a very strong person to deal with a situation like this. As cruel as it sounds, no one ever hopes for such a challenge in life. How we deal with it when faced with it is another story. My pro-life leanings cause me to believe that ALL life is precious. And I think we've seen, in the case of Down Syndrome, plenty of examples of very happy folks in this lot...so...


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Mamelody - Totally 100% agree with everything in your comment. I don't get why people can't see that abortion is killing - it is murder.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Springboard - That's the thing - no one knows they are able to handle a challenging situation unless they come face to face with it. Some people say they wouldn't be able to handle a situation like that - but it's amazing how strong we really are! I didn't think I would ever be able to handle having a child who can't walk but I am able to face it and overcome obstacles everyday. Anyway, thanks so much for your comment.


linda lester 6 years ago

Enjoyed reading your article and all the comments. I am grandmother to a ten year old Down Syndrome girl. She is the delight of our lives. She currently is helping her daddy with a Down Syndrome Awareness Project. She helped design this and it's a tribute to all Down's Children. Please go and see what she can do-------read her story and vote for her for the next few days. Just follow the links. www.nikisride.com Please help her, her smile will win your heart!


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

linda lester - I appreciate you reading this hub. I often hear that Down Syndrome children are the light or the joy of our loves from their families. I think that is so wonderful! It's great your granddaughter is working on that project! I will check out the website and put in my vote for her!


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blangrehr 6 years ago from Spartanburg SC

Wonderful and true; you will notice that the hundreds of pro-murder advocates on hubpages have stayed away from this hub. The reason is simple; the truth shines through debate. You are truly wise...thank you.


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prettydarkhorse 6 years ago from US

Abortion is a big NO NO, babies are precious no matter what heppen. Before I used to tell myself that only if the mothers life is in critical danger will I probably abort the beby, I pray that this will not happen, Thank you Cari, and for bringing this to our attention, Maita


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

blangrehr - thank you so much for your comment. I have found it interesting that there have not been any comments from those who are pro-abortion. I did do an article on my thoughts on abortion and I got a ton of negative comments. I really think that those who believe it is ok to abort a baby w/ a disability don't dare view that opinion because it is going to make them look like a not-so-nice person.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

prettydarkhorse - I appreciate your comment so much. Even when my life was in danger I didn't abort my baby but I wouldn't expect others to make that same decision for themselves. It's a tough call but for me I knew God would take care of me and I know others do not have that same faith.


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Lady_E 6 years ago from London, UK

To me, this is a very thought provoking Hub. My feelings run deep about it.

Its good you shared your opinions though.

Best Wishes.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Lady_E - Thanks for your comment - I'm curious about your feelings on the matter. If you would rather not share, I understand. Be Blessed!


ROSE 6 years ago

i HAVE A 1 YEAR OLD SWEETY HONEY PIE WHO HAPPENS TO HAVE DS AND SHE IS THE JOY OF OUR ( MY HUSBAND AND HER 7 BROTHERS AND SISTERS ) LIFE! WHEN I FOUND OUT, AFTER SHE WAS BORN, THAT SHE HAD DS, A FLOOD OF JOY CAME OVER MY WHOLE BEING!

i ALSO HAVE A FRIEND WHO WOULD LOVE TO ADOPT A BABY WHO HAS DS. SHE SAID THERE IS A WAITING LIST FOR ADOPTING THESE SPECIAL PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN SUCH HIGH ESTEEM AND DEMAND. I DON'T DOUBT IT!


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

ROSE - thank you for reading and for your comment. I hear it over and over again that children with DS are the joy of their family's lives. It is a shame that there are so many people willing to adopt these precious little children - if the mothers would at least give them a chance at life before aborting them, there would be a lot of happy adoptive parents!


rose 6 years ago

the world view of evolution is a huge reason many people are confused about the value of ALL life and life itself. Thy miss so much. It's sad and the perverted view is DANGEROUS!


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

rose - that is a good point about evolution - when we are taught that we derived from monkeys it's really hard to truly value human life which comes from God.


Wanderer 6 years ago

I'm pro choice and I respect the anti choice side. If you feel in your heart that keeping your child is the best for you emotionally and spiritually then I am happy for you and wish you the best in your lives.

Though I would have a child with DS aborted, as I would get an abortion if there were any other huge negative problems with my child, I understand that the choice would offend many people. I would keep it to myself in my personal life.


Rose 6 years ago

Wanderer-I commend you for the respect you have for those who choose life for all humans. It's not always about feelings and mothers emotional health. Sometimes it's a hard choice for a mother to let her baby live. Isn't there a lot of choices we make in life that are HARD but the noble thing to do? It's not always about ME!

Just because US laws says something is legal doesn't make it right or just. If our laws do not coincide with Gods laws then you are still breaking God's laws even though it's "legal." I wouldn't be too concerned about offending people. I'd be concerned about taking someones life because their blood will be on your hands.


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jamexican 6 years ago from oceanside,ca

yeah i never thought about things like this until it happened to me.when i got a call that would change my life...and the decision i would have to make. being pregnant and what i didn't expect

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Wanderer 6 years ago

Rose-

Thank you.

I don't enjoy the idea of offending people because I anticipate their negative reactions and/or actions in general against me. I can make very sound choices and there is a very good chance that some percentage of the population is going to shake a fist at me. By being a woman and working I offend some portion of the world who will tell me that their God commands different.

I do have friends who are very supportive of my decisions and others who would not be.

What it comes down to for me is what I believe is right. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right, no. (Though if something is illegal there tends to be a reason for it.)

Looking inside, weighing my feelings and considering my options are the three things I do. Fortunately, in this country, women are given a choice. That choice lays in their hearts, not in the hands of others. Many factors have to go into certain choices and while many of them may be selfish it wouldn't be right to deny a human being their free will.

I am not religious. I go by my head, my heart and what the combination of both tell me.

I do not believe in the use of abortion as a method of birth control multiple times. At some point we need to get contraceptives to these people.

I understand your point about blood being on someone's hands, but it still wouldn't be right to force a woman to give birth when she didn't want to. If she makes the choice to abort she has to deal with that herself. Take away her choice and she will find an illegal, less safe way to do it.

If someone doesn't want to give birth to a child that they cannot take care of no one can force them to go against their wishes. The idea of choice being taken away scares me because it's the first domino in a chain taking women back to being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and that isn't where I see myself.

On the same token, I have a lot of respect for any family who is strong enough to take care of a special needs child. I respect their strength and their decision.

Unfortunately, abortion is just one of those subjects that will always exist no matter who makes the rules. There will always be those who oppose it and those who support it.

It's just nice to see an actual talk rather than people shrieking at each other. I've been shrieked at a lot for my opinion.


Rose 6 years ago

Wanderer, you are pleasant to dialogue with.

I have time to comment on one point you made.

We have laws against murder, theft, kidnapping, child porn, ect... Some people want to do these wicked acts, but in your logic ( " it wouldn't be right to deny a human being their free will " ), these prople are being legally denied to exercise their free will.

A baby, in any of its stages

of cell development, is a living being ( that is scientific ). Why is it "ok" to kill this life if it is growing inside a womans body? It's not really hers anyway ( remember, we are not allowed to own people, slavery is illegal ). She didn't create it. She just did what was necessary , with the "tools" given to a man and a woman to procreate. A baby ultimately belongs to the one who created life and that is the creator of life, God Himself. We are intrusted with a baby for a short time while on this earth, but a baby has a soul and will live forever.

catch you later. Rose


Rose 6 years ago

P.S. Wanderer YOU have value because you were made in the image of God and He has given you great value.


Wanderer 6 years ago

Thank you, Rose, that means a lot.

I do see your points and I can see where you're coming from.

There are indeed many laws that stand for a good reason. Rape, Child Pornography and Murder are all heinous crimes against others.

I think the main issue may be the definition of where mother and child begin. I am not religious so I do not really tap into the God creating us vein.

I more so see it as a choice of a woman.

There is value in all life, and I will not deny that. I am an animal lover and a vegetarian.

There will never be a way to justify abortion to those who are against it, just as those who are pro-choice probably will continue to be.

Arguments pro or con fall short when it comes to the other side because the arguments may be based in different realms the other is not familiar with or using as their basis for judgment. I hope it doesn't come off as an insult, because I do not mean it to, but because I am not religious I don't see it from that point of view.

I see it from a "This is my body" point of view, not "This is God's Body and His Creation" point of view.

It's all very murky in the end however, and in many ways I do agree with many of you. I spent a good portion of my youth being very pro-life until a friend of mine was raped when she was 15.

Her parents made her have the baby and it was a terrible labor for her, and traumatized her. She tore during the labor since she wasn't quite at a good age to be birthing a child, and had to be sewn up. She was never able to look at the child so they had to adopt him out. She never wanted to even think about having any other children from the shame of it. She'd begged for an abortion and was denied it.

Many would say, "Good. Her parents made the right choice for her. The baby should not be punished because the mother was raped." But should the mother be punished further for being raped? Even 12 years later she has not moved on or even dated.

Murder is wrong any way you show it.. And nothing can make abortion truly "right". But for some people it is what they choose.

And yes, denying a human being their free will can be taken many different ways. The usual logic was "if it harms none, let it be" until abortion came up. It does harm someone. It kills the child. But in the opinion of many pro-choice activists the child is a fetus within the mother and she has the ultimate call on part of her own body.

I do differ from many pro-choicers when I say this: I only condone early abortion. Very early. It may still seem atrocious to many, but I do have a boundary.


rose 6 years ago

wanderer- your speech is full of deception and lies and I don't think I can say anything to change your thinking. I will be praying for you. Love you, Rose


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Wanderer - it breaks my heart to hear that you would abort a baby with any significant special need. Would you consider having the baby and putting it up for adoption?

I think if you did have the abortion and kept it to yourself you would have emotional distress as a result. Even those who think having an abortion at the time was the right decision, they end of regretting it years later. I would hate for you to be in that position.

Thank you for your comment.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Rose - thank you for your response to Wanderer.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

jamexican - I hope everything turns out okay for you and your situation. I will keep you in my prayers.


Wanderer 6 years ago

Thank you all for taking the time to read and reply.

It's comforting to have a conversation rather than an angry free for all.

Rose, sorry you feel that way.

No, I am pretty sure in my feelings.

But thank you for your kind words.


Wanderer 6 years ago

Cari Jean,

No, I would not have the baby.

I do really appreciate the comments back. I suppose I just wanted to offer the opposite standpoint since no one else had.

We can never really see the others' point of view, but it's nice to know that we can still talk like people.


Rose 6 years ago

Cari Jean

Great hub. Thanks. Bless you. Rose


Rose 6 years ago

Wanderer

I did not express any feelings in my last comment other than some wrapped up in the " Love you "


Eileen 6 years ago

Cari,

Thank you for highlighting KIDS (Keep Infants with Down Syndrome) in your informative article. If mothers only knew the joy their child with DS will bring them! They would never abort. And these kids and adults with DS can accomplish so much. They soften the hearts of people whose lives they touch. We are becoming a less compassionate world as we snuff out these bright lights. Thank you for your article.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Eileen - thank you so much for your comment. Yes, I agree we are becoming less compassionate. Some people think any child with special needs are burdens but they are indeed blessings.


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Cari Jean-Thank you for writing this hub!

First let me tell you, I am a nurse, and you are right, doctors are not always right ...in fact they are very often wrong. (Medicine is not a science it is an art). Like when they say abortion is painless for the baby and the mother...what a load of crap that statement is!

If God has given you a disabled child, you should thank him that you have a child at all, since many couples in America are infertile.

I think the best thing would be to talk to other parents of disabled children. Unless you live with something like this, you probably do not know what it is like.

I have so much respect for Sarah Palin! She unknowingly has helped countless other couples who are faced with having a Downs Syndrome baby. She shows off her little guy, just like any other proud mother would a normal child. And in many, many ways these children are normal!

Wonderful hub Cari...I wish I could give it more than a thumbs up!


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Dear Wanderer

I think what you need to know is that your choice to have an abortion may not be as informed as you think it is!

That's what this hub is trying to get across, that doctors are only human, and they make mistakes.

And, actually...you have many choices!

You had the choice to engage in sex while using a good form of birth control, you have the choice not to engage in sex at all if you don't want to get pregnant, you have the choice to get a second opinion that a baby really does have DS, you have the choice to give your child up for adoption...and the list goes on.

The only one who does NOT have a choice is the unborn child inside of you. That baby is depending upon YOU to make the right choices for its survival and future.

Many, many women who have had an abortion regret it in the future. Once you have an abortion, your choices end.

Think about it.

Abortion is never the answer, life is. Plus, if you have an abortion your chances of getting breast cancer increase almost 100%!


dreamreachout 6 years ago

Wonderful hub and magnoliazz is as insightful as ever!!


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

magnoliazz - thank you so much for your wonderful and insighful comments. I agree it would be good that when parents find out they are going to have a baby with a disability, they should try to find other parents that have a child with the same disability and talk to them. I think it would give them a different perspective and more understanding.

Sarah Palin totally rocks when it comes to how she handled her situation. She has helped in an amazing way to educate those who may end of having a child with down syndrome.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

dreamreachout - thanks for your comment and yes, magnoliazz is very insightful.


Wanderer 6 years ago

magnoliazz,

Those are some really good choices. And depending on certain circumstances in life some of them may be an option.

I make sure to know my options in life. I do my research and make informed decisions.

Being on the pill is a definite plus when it comes to being safe about pregnancy. If and when I want to get married and have a child, which may be further down the road since I am still in the middle of getting back on my feet, I do plan on getting the test to check for DS. Mistakes are made, and I realize that, but I would prefer to know my chances.

I am not entirely sure of the accuracy rate of amniocentesis, and it is late so I will check at another time, but I would take a high risk seriously and abort.

I would never push my opinions on another woman when it came to her own decision. I respect any woman who chooses to have a child over aborting it. But I also respect choice in general. I respect that many people feel like the fetus should have a choice. I can grasp what you're saying. It delves into a whole, much uglier can of worms though wherein we dig into the whole concept of a fetus' rights trumping those of the mother.

I don't look at the spiritual aspect as much, and it doesn't seem like an ethical or moral problem to me. Abortion is a painful, traumatic procedure and often leaves women scarred and at risk for cancer later on. But if they are educated they can use that information to make their decision later on, if they consider abortion. I know the risks and I'd only get one if I deemed it necessary.

If I became pregnant right now and my child didn't test positive for DS I would adopt it out as I am not in a position to take care of a child. However, considering all of the precautions I take I have a slim chance of that.

The real problem is that the issue is religious/ethical. It's good when someone brings up some physical and scientific points. It's much better to show those to a pro-choicer because we don't often click with the religious opinions and moral quandaries.

Very good insight on this board.


Kelly 6 years ago

There are many highly qualified families who are hoping to adopt special needs babies. If you don't feel able to parent there are alternatives! Check out: specialneedsinfantadoption.blogspot.com


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Kelly - thanks so much for this site! I am going to check it out and I hope others do as well.


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electricsky 6 years ago from North Georgia

Thank you for the hub and all of the information.

Life is a challenge for people that must deal with having a child with DS. We should pray for them and their child.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

electricsky - thanks so much for your comment. You're so right - we do need to pray for these parents along with their children. It is a challenge but it can be so rewarding as well.


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CYBERSUPE 6 years ago from MALVERN, PENNSYLVANIA, U.S.A.

Cari Jean, I somehow happen upon this absolutly awesome Hub and I am so happy that I did. Thanks for sharing this wonderful Hub that is filled with love and understanding for children with DS. I am the father of Five and the Grandfather of twelve and a PRO-LIFER. Thanks Cari Jean


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

cybersupe - thanks so much for your encouraging comment. Sounds like you have an amazing family and that you are very blessed!


gbggirls 5 years ago

Cari, I love your hub. I will never forget the day my Daughter in law got the final word from the test results at age 22 she was pregnant with a Down Syndrome Baby. I think it is important to Educate people better. The He-- she went through from ignorance including the Genetic Doctors way of handling them was nearly unbearable for her. The (Education)??? we got from the specialist was UNCLEAR, CONFUSING, AND MISLEADING. If my daughter in law would have put stock in anything they said she would have aborted. Thank God she had a mind of her own and decided to keep the baby. The biggest and most frustrating part was a lot of extended family members opinions about what she should do. Today 4 years later all of those people have to look at my Grandson who is the Light of everyones life and know that they tried to talk his mom into aborting. It is really hard for some of them to live with now. HE is the most awesome soul and I know he was sent as a special gift. He lights up the room the minute he walks in. It is heart wrenching to know that so many women abort children that other people want. I would rather give away something I didn't want to deal with rather than kill it. Unfortunately these women do not have enough information.


Kali 5 years ago

I think that all of you people who think you should terminate a human life just because the baby has DS are sick! I think unless you are not financially stable you should let the baby be born. Even if your not stable you should let the baby be born and give the baby up for adoption. It isn't fair to end a persons life when it hasn't even begun!!! They have feelings too if you would just let them be born! All of you who disagree can shove all you got up your butts cuz your wrong!


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Kali - thank you for your very passionate response to this article. It is unbelievable to me that people are capable of killing any child inside the womb - unhealthy or even perfectly healthy. And you're so right - give the baby up for adoption, at least let them have a chance at life. There are so many people wanting to adopt - even children with special needs.


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Karen Wilton 5 years ago from Australia

Thank you Cari for bringing this delicate subject to the attention of so many by writing on the web about it. I was advised to terminate a pregnancy because they suspected the baby would be born with Down Syndrome. She was born but had Edward Syndrome which was a much worse condition and while she only lived for 8 1/2 months at least she had her chance at life. I don't regret my decision for one moment even though I now struggle daily with the grief of having to say good bye.


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Karen - thank you so much for sharing a part of your very touching story. It is so wonderful you had your baby despite what the doctors predicted. It takes way more courage to have the baby than to abort it. I'm so sorry to hear her life was so short and I cannot imagine losing a baby. I will be praying for you.


lori  5 years ago

Why would you want to bring something into society that would not be able to contribute to anything. Other mammals let the sick and weak die and that keeps impaired useless creatures from roaming about. If I had a ds child I wouldn't think twice about aborting it. It would be for the well being of the child to do so. I think being able to function normally is one of the things I cherish most in life.


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

lori - So what would you do if you did have a healthy baby but then she/he had a stroke and ended up with cerebral palsy and couldn't "contribute to anything"? Would you, as other mammals would, just let her die?


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Jeremey 5 years ago from Arizona

Glad I came across this hub. My uncle has down syndrome and he is one of the happiest people I have ever known. He works a full 40hrs a week through Opportunities Unlimited,seperating recyclable materials. He always smiles, rarely gets upset and loves everyone without prejudices. My grandmother used to tell me People born like him have been protected by God from having the faults of normal men. She said he doesn't suffer the emotional confusions and short-coming most men do. We should all be as loving and caring and free as your Uncle. He has his problems but truly is an amazing man. Why anyone would abort, let alone for an issue such as DS is beyond my understanding. I say to anyone thinking of aborting a down syndrome baby just go and spend one day with someone who has the disorder, I honestly believe they would change their mind after seeing the love and acceptance and caring attitudes they live their lives with. Wonderful hub, Thankyou!


Bethany 5 years ago

That's my baby in that picture up there ... :)


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Jeremy - your comment is great, thank you so much for sharing about your uncle. It is a shame that some people don't understand just what a blessing any child or person with any type of disability can be.


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Bethany - I'm going to take the photo of your daughter down. If I get your permission to repost it, then I will.


Bethany 5 years ago

Go ahead :)


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Thank you so much, Bethany!


Caitlin 5 years ago

After watching my mother's struggle with raising a child with severe developmental and cognitive delays, I can say without a doubt that I would abort any baby that tested positive for down's syndrome. My mother loves and embraces my brother, who is a wonderful person, but at the expense of her own life and freedom. She now has to commit her entire existence to raising him, and I hardly think that it is fair for her or anyone else in my family, and certainly not the kind of life I want for myself when I'm ready to have children.


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Caitlin - as a mother of a special needs child, I can attest to the fact that it can be a challenge and there are days I do wonder if I am going to be taking care of her for the rest of my life. BUT because I am a Christian, I can look to God who gives me strength and helps me to realize the joys my daughter brings to me and everyone else around her. Despite her disability, her life has value and I am honored and blessed to be her mother.


rebecca 5 years ago

I couldn't even finish thje rest of ur alls comments....but I will say this....I felt the same way u did. Stop judging. A parents true duty is to do wht they feel is best for that child. Renewing their life for a chance of a better life is what id want 4 my child. Do u have a ds child byw?


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

rebecca - I'm not trying to be judgemental, I'm simply trying to be a voice for one of the most innocent of lives that cannot speak up for her/himself - the unborn child. And I'm trying to convey the message that the medical community always points out the negatives of having a ds baby and none of the positives - of which there are many. And no, I don't have a ds baby but I know parents who do and they couldn't be more proud of their child. I do have a child with other special needs and if I would have known she wouldn't be able to sit up on her own or walk, I would have had her anyway.


lexi 5 years ago

i agreed wit every comment. i dnt want kids, but if i was going to have one and the doc told me it had down syndrome, id abort it. enough retards in the world if u ask me.


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

lexi - All I can say in response to you is I'm sorry you feel that way. Nothing I say can make your change your mind all I can do is pray that someday you have a change of heart.


M. Noe 5 years ago

Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. These are OUR angles!


M. Noe 5 years ago

Lexi,

You ARE ignorant!

Get a life and thank you (G)god.

You ingnorant idiot!


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

M. Noe - thank you for your comments, although even though I totally disagree with Lexi, I don't like to resort to namecalling. Hopefully Lexi will someday have a change of heart.


Amber 5 years ago

You are all clinging to "Gods word"...god does not exist. The hardships every person has to face in this world however are. The fact of the matter is that down syndrome is a disability not a blessing. And actually as a species,humans are becoming more compassionate,for hundreds of thousands of years,until very recently,the weak,disabled and deformed were abandoned to die or left to rot in sanatoriums. If a woman,or indeed a couple do not want to being a disabled child in to the world then that is their choice. No amount of telling them "it's a blessing" will change their minds. We all have our own opinions,it is interesting that you pro-life types are so convinced you are right. Oh and don't bless me/pray for me either. I'm an atheist.


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Amber - there is obviously nothing I can say that will change your opinion. What I do know is this - I have a daughter with cerebral palsy and she IS a true blessing. No one can possibly understand this unless they themselves experience it.


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prairieprincess 5 years ago from Canada

Well, Cari, you certainly do stir up a lot of opinions by not being afraid to speak out courageously. Bravo! You of all people have earned the right to speak on this issue. Taking care of a special needs child is a lot of work and like you say, only someone who has gone through it could understand.

It is very dangerous for our societies to dictate who is "worthy" of living and who is not. There are many who are less than perfect, and where do we draw the line if the line is not firmly drawn in the sand with the words, "life is precious, period."

Thank you for writing on such difficult subjects. God bless you.


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

prairieprincess - I always enjoying hearing from you! Yes, this is a topic close to my heart.

My heart breaks that a baby's life is ended just because he or she has a defect - whether it's a simple one or complex one the baby does not deserve to die. All life is precious.


Rob 5 years ago

Hey, I've really enjoyed reading the hub and comments. I myself have a Ds brother and personally would not Change a hair on his head. He is by far the most loving, kind, considerate person I've ever met. I find it awful that 90% of Ds babies are aborted, what gives us the right to to make a decision on a human life.


Rob 5 years ago

Hey Lexi.

That's just a moronic comment.


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Rob - thank you so much for your comment. I agree with your statement about what gives us the right to make a decision on human life - esp. whether that human lives or dies. Thanks so much also for sharing about your brother and I totally agree with you on Lexi's comment. It is hard to believe some people actually think that way.


Melissa White-McMillan 5 years ago

It saddens me that people (as the one who wrote in this article) think that way about children with disabilities. My son is a my joy, he's 9 mos and has DS and he is the happiest baby! Your in trouble when you focus happiness on health & appearance. You can be healthy, rich, & have lots of so called friends and be miserable & suicidal. Some people you like to call normal grow up to be unhappy & depend on drugs & alcohol & take their own lives overdosing and mixing, so should they have been killed in the womb, because you knew what they would do in the future so why let them suffer? No because your not God and you don't know what anyone future holds. Kids don't need all the material mess to be happy, we couldn't afford it, i had alot of cousins and we made up games, and i appreciate that quality time we had, that is what you remember in the long run, not all the friends you had, who says lots of friends make you happy, if you evaluate some of your friends, how many are really real? Lastly, I dislike it when people that have no personal relationship with God, tell us that do how he works through our kids and in our lives, because if they knew him, they'd know that he has a purpose for everything/person he creates and whatever he creates is good, (read Genesis). Newsflash, there will be children with DS, cerebral palsy, trisomy 18, HIV and ect. in heaven (but restored to full health according the Gods word) but since you feel they don't belong in the same space as you, I guess you won't make it in!


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Melissa - I'm a little confused by your comment - I think the same as you about kids with DS and other disabilities. In fact I have a daughter with CP. I am totally pro-life and in this article I was focusing on what others think and why they think the way they do about aborting such precious babies and a lot has to do with how the medical community puts a negative spin on DS and often encourage the mother to abort - which I think is wrong. I just wanted to make this clarification.


Alexis 5 years ago

Hi Cari,

I came to your site after googling 'why are downs babies aborted' ? I never had any opinions pro-choice or pro-life before until recently when I heard a friend had aborted a DS child a long time ago. She is one of the most caring, compassionate people I know and loves her children. To say I was shocked when I heard about the abortion is an understatement. She told me about the abortion with tears, but still thinks it is a good decision for her family. Among the many reasons she gave me was both her husband and she were scared that having a DS would not allow them to be a good parents to the rest of their children as that child would need a lot of care. Most of all they were scared about what would happen to their DS child after her and her husband were dead.

I did not want to probe too deeply as it evidently was something that upset her even after all these years, but her reasons made me google as to why people abort DS babies as I was not sure what exactly it was.


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Alexis - first of all, thanks so much for your comment. As to why a person aborts a child with DS or any type of special need for that matter - there are a whole bunch of reasons that sound quite logical. In the end though, I believe it is a decision that can cause pain, suffering and depression and people who make that decision - and who are really honest with themselves - will wonder down the road if they had made the right decision.

I have a daughter with special needs - she is an only child and yes I do wonder what will happen to her after me and my husband pass away but that's where our faith in Jesus comes in and we believe she will have all that she needs in that time. Also it can be hard to balance having a special needs child and other children but more often than not, the child with special needs can teach a family about unconditional love and true acceptance.


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Encouragement 5 years ago

Thank you for a great hub. Very passionate, and informative.

Michael

www.passion-4-life.org


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Cari Jean 5 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Encouragement - thanks for your comment - I'll be sure to check out the website.


anonymous 4 years ago

Of course, all fetuses are considered as living. but don't you think if YOU had down syndrome, were ridiculed, bullied and stared at on a regular basis, people said absolutely horribl =e things behind your back and you never got that many oppertunities because you ould be dependant on someone your whole entire lives, you would want to be brought into the world? Not saying DS babies aren't gifts just like every other child, but really


anonymous 4 years ago

Not to mention that along with DS comes medical issues, some may even be severe

What kind of life is going through hospitals constantly, being bullied all the time and not getting every opportunity possible for a child? In my opinion, it would suck and if I had down syndrome, and knew how my life would be, I would not want to be brought into this world.


Susan abruzzi 4 years ago

WOW How negative the comments can be. Down Syndrome children are a gift. They are our humanity, they let us see our flaws through Love. They are not bullied or stared at.They love being who they are. From a mother of a Downs adult and a nurse in dayprogram dealing with Downs adults, you dont know what you are missing they are the best. They change your life for the better always always.We could and should learn from them. Look at any family out in public with a Down Syndrome family member do they look unhappy/ No! Thay are blessed.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Anonymous - but don't kids without disabilities get ridiculed and bullied as well? I know a girl my school who was teased horrendously just because she wore thick glasses - does this mean she does not have the right to live? Kids can be mean - it's fact and you just have to teach your child - disabled or not to help them have high self esteem regardless. My daughter has cerebral palsy - she gets stared at all the time because she is in a wheelchair but because of how she is raised she does have high self esteem and believes she can do anything she sets her mind to. I myself was born with a congenital heart condition where I was constantly in the hospital and missed lots of school due to surgeries. Any time I overexerted myself I got horrible migraines. Sure as a child none of this was very fun but I sure am glad my parents decided to have me anyway!


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Susan - I couldn't have said it better myself. THANK YOU so much for your wonderful comment. If only everyone would have your attitude!


Brittany Logsdon 4 years ago

I have a brother who has down syndrome and it's absolutely nothing like the world perceives it to be. sure there can be medical complications and there are times that people stare or bully but it's that the same way it is with everyone. EVERY child deserves a chance to live! disability or not!! anyone who disagrees is just ignorant.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Hi Brittany - thanks so much for your comment. You are right - that is the way it is with EVERYONE - people are made fun of whether they have a disability or are perfectly healthy. People just need to have a heart change in realizing how amazing kids and others with special needs are.


joe 4 years ago

Who are these people whp say disgusting things like i would prefer to be aborted then live a life with that condition. they are sad and ignorant people who do not appreciate or understand the joys of life. superficial, foul people. they disgust me, right down to the bone.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

joe - i really appreciate your comment. I guess it is just a part of the sad culture in which we live - a culture where there is no respect for life. WE must continue to pray and believe that one day these people will have a change of heart.


Peter 4 years ago

We would have an abortion if we found out our child had down syndrome at 10 weeks. It was a hard decision, but people in my family have done this, and I can understand their perspective.


Anonymous 4 years ago

I have recently been told after having an ultrasound that there is a possibility that my baby may have DS. After working for many years with kids that suffer with physical and mental disabilities, I can see why parents choose to abort babies with DS. It is not an easy life for this children and their families. Other siblings, grandparents and other family members are also affected by having a child with disabilities. For anyone you negatively comments either way about the decision parents make and have not been put in this position, maybe you should keep your comments to your self. You might just find yourself in the same position one day and having someone judge your for the decision either way doesn't help. It is the choice of the parents and no one else.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Peter - So just because other people in your family have made the decision to abort their baby just because he/she had Down Syndrome, that makes it ok for you to make the same decision? Why don't you be the strong one - have the baby anyway and just see what your other family members missed out on?


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Anonymous - I appreciate your comment but to me it seems that in this day and age even having a perfectly healthy child can be a challenge.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Anonymous - I appreciate your comment but to me it seems that in this day and age even having a perfectly healthy child can be a challenge.


Susan 4 years ago

Disabilites vary from child to child, just as a person's ability to raise a child with a disability varies. Choices should be personal. Expectant mothers should obtain all the facts before making a decision. I know with Down Syndrome pregnancies most of the time the facts are one sided the whole story is not told. I am in the process of telling that story in a manuscript both from a Mothers point of view and from a nurses perspective. It is a story of pain,love loss and of thankfulness for sharing a life well lived.I think it is a story that needs to be told.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Susan - thank you so much for your comment. Your manuscript sounds very interesting. I do agree that expectant mothers should get all the facts and do not just listen to the negative regarding having a baby with DS.


Levertis Steele 4 years ago

Doctors advised my friend and her husband to abort their baby due to a birth defect. They decided against it, and their baby is a medical doctor today and is in perfect health.

If a person with a birth defect should be aborted, I wonder why Jesus did not feel that way? He healed many people with mental and physical disabilities. These people are valuable to Him, yet many think that they have the right to ban God's creation from life. Not so.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Levertis - thank you so much for your comment. I totally agree with everything you have to say. God can heal a baby in utero and outside the womb as well. Many people consider those with disabilities to be among "the least of these" and Jesus desires the world to love such people just as much as He does.


Johannavaan 4 years ago

You people are SO saccaharine. "Unspeakable joy"? you're not talking of every parent's experience. I have worked with down-kids and even befriended one in my teens. (She almost choked my friend to death for disagreeing with her.)

My experiences have comfirmed I will abort if I know I will have one. And give away if I will give birth to one for the sake of other kids and my hubby.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Johannavann - thank you for your comment. I understand that there are some parents and other caretakers who struggle with their disabled or mentally handicapped child. It can certainly be challenging. However, many things in life are challenging and with the right attitude, these challenges will only make us stronger. We have to learn to embrace difficulties rather than just escape from them or in this case, abort them.


BRENDA 4 years ago

A big problem with that attitide. Yes its ur choice BUT if i would have listed I would of aborted my 10 lb son because the dr said it could have dows. I didn't listen to anyone and made a decision to keep MY BABY. They were wrong. He was a bigboy and he is still hugh

Point is they think they are always right on this but THEY CAN BE WRONG so always do what u want and block out those people who want what they want. Also get several opinions. Some people they mess it up and THINK theres something wrong buthere isn't


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Brenda - thank you so much for sharing part of your story. You are absolutely right - mistakes can be made. I'm so glad you made the decision that you did!


Let em go 4 years ago

7 billion people on the planet....


Christine 4 years ago

I feel it is important to address the issue. I found out I had a 1 of 24 percent chance of having a child with Down syndrome while I was pregnant. I chose that it did not make one bit of difference to me. And I am in the special education field, so I was well aware of children with disabilities. My daughter was born and the diagnosis was confirmed. As I learned about the differences she will have I was so very surprised about how barbaric the doctors and nurses outdated information and opinions were. Please do not just take the advice or information the doctors give you. My daughter does and will have differences but it is amazing how much like my older 2 daughters she really is. My daughter really brings so much love and life into my home. I worry about her just as much as I worried about my other two. A lot of the data is so outdated due to early intervention and the new idea that if we educate any child they will learn, Remember long ago children with ds were not educated just sent off to institutions.. There is no test for blind or deaf or autism - would all of those children be aborted as well. What a boring world we would live in then. A perfectly healthy child could have a terrible accident and have a life of therapy would we change our mind about our child then? The point is in our country we do have choices but please remember to do all of your homework before making one of the biggest decision of your life.


Proud mother of downs baby 4 years ago

Being a mother of a child with downs I can not believe the harsh statements from people saying they would abort. Children with downs are truly a gift from God. My child is not being pushed through the system she is well educated and smart because her family believes in her. I actually feel sorry for the closed minded people who don't understand these children. My daughter doesn't have a disability she has an ability, to not pass judgment on physical characteristics, to love like no other, and to see the world for the simple things we often look over. She is my angel and my blessing. It hurts my heart to see how many downs babies are aborted because people are misinformed and live in what they consider their "perfect world"


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Let em go - all I can say about your comment is that I pray God changes your heart.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Christine - thank you so much for your comment. It is very disheartening that some medical providers put such a negative spin on certain disabilities and that their information can be so outdated. I agree with you - what if there could be tests done in utero for deafness, blindness, autism or other disabilities - I'm sure some mothers would choose to abort those babies too.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Proud Mother of Downs baby - thank you so much for sharing about your daughter - I think it would be a much better world if everyone could see the joy and happiness that can come from a child w/ downs syndrome or any other type of special needs. Blessings to you!


Nancy 4 years ago

It's sad to think that if my mother,who had Downs,had aborted...then I wouldn't be here today.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Nancy - thank you so very much for your very powerful comment.


slovadan 4 years ago

Where are you getting the "90%" figure from, I have been trying to find it and I am not having much success but I would like to know the source


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

slovadan - here is a link with that information. There are many other articles on the internet that is concurrent with the 90% figure. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/us/09down.html?p...


NP 4 years ago

I was just given a 1:20 chance that the baby I'm carrying has Down Syndrome. I am 32, married and have two kids ages 5 and 6. The doctors came to this conclusion after a nuchal translucency screening which showed a 3.8mm nuchal measurement and no other obvious abnormalities. I am scheduled for an amnio in 1 week. I have to say, we have been steered towards abortion from the medical community. Well, they've told us over and over that lots of women do this and that it's ok if that's the choice we make. I am not Pro-Life per say. I'm not real religious. I'm scared and nervous and I cannot fathom being the person to end the life of this baby. However, I wonder how we can parent a child with special needs? How do we pay for a child with special needs? We are middle class and have awful insurance. We don't qualify for heath assistance but I doubt we can foot the bill for all the things that might come our way with a baby that may need surgeries, therapy and so on. We feel like we've been given lots of resources on how not to go through with this pregnancy but not on how to live with a prenatal diagnosis of Downs. We live in Minnesota, so if anyone has any advice (given that we get a Downs diagnosis next week) or resources or anyone we can contact, it would be appreciated.


anony 4 years ago

u can abort yourself and not have to worry about any babies suffering with down syndrome to, don't pretend like u care the only person really given the chance or choice to suffer here is you.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

NP - I apologize for the delay in responding to your comment. IT is so sad that the medical community does not offer more support. I am so sorry for what you are going through. By now your probably have found out if the baby has Down Syndrome or not. It is expensive to raise a child w/ special needs, as I can attest to but I also believe that if you make the decision for life, God will honor that decision and will help you in your journey.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

anony - I must admit I am a little confused by your comment. I don't think we really do have the choice to abort yourself. I think one can cause others to suffer but it is up to us to determine how we are going to handle that suffering - are we going to forgive or be bitter?


Joshua 4 years ago

The question isn't whether to abort or not. The question is do you want to have a healthy child or child with the down syndrome (DS)?

I'm PRO-LIFE so I chose to give life to healthy child over disabled child. Keeping DS child will take the place of one or more healthy children you could have otherwise. So chose life instead of dead end.

I also agree with religious people in the sense of god's love, he made sure they can't reproduce themselves which pretty much speaks volumes for itself.


CJ 4 years ago

I am Pro Choice!!!


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Joshua - What if the question was - do you want to have a healthy child or do you want to have a child that will be diagnosed with autism at age 3? Then what? Do people like you, who call yourselves "Pro-life" decide not to have a child at all in case the child is one day diagnosed with some special need or a disease? Your argument that says you are pro-life because you desire a healthy child is a dead end.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

CJ - your input has been noted.


Joshua 4 years ago

Wow, you really don't have a better argument than that? Your comment about "PRO-life" people is as ridiculous as asking whether you should breath air if there a chance of getting lung cancer.

Are you seriously comparing possibilities with facts?

If the fetus skin cells are diagnosed (amniocentesis) with extra chromosome it is not a possibility of DS it is a fact that once born child will have DS.

There is a reason you've been given an option of choice.

Termination doesn't have to be the end, it can be the begging of something better (than life with DS).


Covie 4 years ago

Good article with useful information. Can defiantly help a woman learn a few simple options to discuss with her doctor. Personally I am pro choice, and could careless if you are or not. I couldn't bring myself to have a baby with DS and don't ever plan to.


Jess 4 years ago

I have always thought of myself as a pro choice girl. If you are pregnant and do not want to be a parent of any child I thought abortion would be best.

I have a four year old son and I am four months pregnant with my second. We were told the chance of DS are high and flags were made on ultra sound.

We have no plans on doing the amnio because simply it doesn't matter a bit! the thought of turning my back on my helpless baby because of it being different I cant even imagine it!

I love my four year old more then life I can't imagine loving him less if he's not perfect.

Who are we kidding none of us are! This baby is the baby I wanted nothing will stop me from mothering this little girl she is already perfect she's mine.


Jess 4 years ago

I guess it really bothers me that someone would decide to have a baby and become a PARENT and then give up on life's first hurdle. The people who abort just because of a little thing like ds should not be the parent of any child. Don't they know there's no garintee that the "normal" baby they bring home will always act perfect or never become disabled. I thought a parents love was unconditional. Not I will love my baby and he can only continue to live and grow if he meets my standards. What cruel people I will have to protect my baby girl from regardless if she has ds or not. My son will grow up knowing how to treat people in this world with love regardless of if they look the same as everyone else


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Oh my goodness, Jess. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Your comment! You are so right that when one decides to become a parent they should not abort the baby due to some disability. No one knows what the future of the baby is, at 3 he or she could be diagnosed w/ autism or leukemia or something - what then? Does the parent then give up on the child?? A parent's love truly is unconditional and that unconditional love begins when the baby is the womb so to get rid of the baby just because of a diagnosis while still in the womb is something that I cannot comprehend. Thanks so much for sharing and I truly wish you the best with your son and that sweet little girl growing inside your womb!


Jess 4 years ago

Thank you for your response and thank you Cari for taking your time to defend the innocent. Your time and energy has not gone unnoticed you have many fans. I'm one of them.


Bre 4 years ago

I guess I'll be the Devil's advocate and say I would definitely abort. And that doesn't mean I would kill my child if they were diagnosed with cancer at three months. That is just stupid to say.

I don't know how most people are but when I was pregnant I did not feel like it was a baby growing in me at all, but when I held him he became a person.

I also wouldn't want to be a parent forever. I realize that may sound selfish but I wouldn't want to be the parent of an 8-10 year old my whole life and I think that is what many people think of when they find out about the diagnosis.

Furthermore if I suddenly hit my head and became mentally disabled I would definitely want someone to kill me. Can you imagine being a burden to everyone around you for your entire life and giving literally nothing to society?

In conclusion I would abort without ANY guilt.


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lstCitizen 4 years ago from California

Thank you Cari Jean.

I have some experience with this. 11 years ago, my wife who was 39 and pregnant with our 5th child, was prescribed an amnio test at a clinic run by the State of California. The test was negative. Nevertheless, we were ushered into a counselors office who advised that because of our age, we had a statistically high risk of having a DS baby, and we should abort. We were horrified because abortion would never have been an option. That was my wife's last good day and she is still recovering from the terror of that incident. Can you imagine what it's like knowing the state wants to kill one of your children? I can.

We do have a beautiful, perfectly healthy 10 year old daughter!

Planned Parenthood and anyone that supports them are terrorists.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Bre - thank for your comment. I'm just curious if when you were pregnant if you had an ultrasound? Sometimes even though a woman doesn't feel like it is a baby growing inside their womb, seeing the baby while in the womb can make a difference. Also, the problem I have with the doctor making a diagnosis while the baby is still in the womb is that doctors can be wrong.

As a Christian, I believe that every life has value - one doesn't have to contribute to society in order to have value. It's through God we have true value, not through society.


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Cari Jean 4 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

1st Citizen - thank you so much for your comment. Although I can't imagine what it's like knowing the state you reside in wanted to kill your child, I do know what it's like when a doctor recommends an abortion because of a high risk pregnancy.

It is wonderful that you have a perfectly healthy child but it seems to me that you and your wife would have made great special needs parents!!


Em 3 years ago

My aunt had a son with down syndrome, and he died when he was 19, when I was about 3. I didn't really know him, but I do know this: I will not ever bring a child into the world with a condition like that. Its not because I'm selfish or because I want a "perfect" baby, its because I wouldn't be able to go through watching them grow up with so many issues. My late cousin had a lot of anxieties, his mother had to sleep on a cot in his room and he couldn't be left alone. he had heart problems and eventually they killed him :( No way will I ever make myself, a child or my family go through that. Everyone above me here will disagree, but I think its cruel to bring a child into the world who will be forever impaired. Its not fair.

If I ever found out I was pregnant with a down syndrome baby, I would have an abortion. But it would be out of compassion, which is something many people commenting seem to miss.


Prochoice 3 years ago

Im sorry but not everyone has the patience to raise a kid with DS. Abortion is noones business but the mothers, how many people here would support the government giving money to these mother and fathers.probably none. Prochoice.


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Cari Jean 3 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

@Em - I am so sorry for what your aunt had to endure with your late cousin. But I do know that not every experience is the same so I don't think it is fair to base your decision on just one person or one experience. If you ended up being the mother of a child with down syndrome, who knows it could be a great experience and something completely different than what your aunt endured. Grace and peace to you.


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Cari Jean 3 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Why wouldn't adoption also be a choice? Why does the choice instantly go to aborting the child why not give the child a shot at life by giving them to someone who does have the patience?


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martinez65 3 years ago from Washington

There's nothing wrong with aborting a defective fetus. We don't need more humans and we certainly don't need more humans with subpar intelligence.


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Cari Jean 3 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

martinez65 - yes, maybe you are right. Maybe society would be better if no one respected life. Murder should be completely legal because then we could get rid of even more humans. It should be okay for mothers to kill their children if they are born with some sort of deformity - and anyone alive today who has subpar intelligence should be done away with. Sounds a little like Hitler to me.


Jess 3 years ago

Hi Cari Jean, it's Jess from 12 months ago. I can report my baby girl, Daisy, is healthy and beautiful! Like a little angel flower. I switched doc. shortly after reading your page because the office was rude and really pushing for amniocentesis. They wanted to confirm the Ds diagnosis even though we didn't care either way. There is chance of miscarrige so why do that? The new doc did go on to induce premature labor because there was problems with the pregnancy but due to placenta issues. She spent five weeks in the nicu to grow strong but no problems at all she's totally right on develop mentally.. To think of how many people get a wrong diagnosis!

I know in my heart like I said before ..she was mine before she arrived and to think of loving her less for any reason is unimaginable.

I also want to say for the people who want to "play god" so to speak ( like hitler) what makes u think that a short life or different life is better then NO life... There is suffering sometime in most lives .. Maybe none of us should be here...?


Jess 3 years ago

I also have a comment regarding bre's post if you already have such strong feeling about not being a parent forever maybe don't be one at all! I'm pretty sure there's not an exact year when the child goes away and never needs support, nurture, love, or guidance ever again.. A child like mind forever doesn't sound to bad to me! (Adult children can cause grief too)


Jess 3 years ago

On my first post I meant having a shorter life or "impaired" life is still living and better then NO life at all


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Cari Jean 3 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Jess - I am in AWE over your comment. I am so glad you made the decision to switch doctors! You are so right in that so many people get a wrong diagnosis and then they go and abort their baby based on that "fact." Sadly, there are people who think that living a life with an impairment is somehow worse than living no life at all. Some parents actually say it is their "parental responsibility" to abort their baby in the womb with known defects. How sick is that?

Recently the state I live became the first state to make it illegal to abort a baby based on a defect or abnormality because it would be considered discrimination. I truly hope and pray that other states will follow our lead! Blessings to you and your family!


patty b. 2 years ago

I fear that soon, science will be able to detect all kinds of "undesirable babies." Babies with the wrong colored eyes, babies that will be short adults, babies that are not above average intelligence, babies with autism, etc. People can terminate unborn babies for any reason and try again for their "perfect baby". Everything is truly becoming dispensable and easily replaced. When will people start killing off people that become undesirable because of an accident, etc. Why should their families have to take care of such burdens? They would hate to have to worry about what home they would be placed in. They do not have the time or money to take care of them. Maybe, They should be eliminated or sterilized for producing substandard products.

Personally, I would not have my dog killed if I could no longer take care of her. Why would I consider terminating someone that is a part of me. "MY CHILD"


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Cari Jean 2 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

patty b - I so agree with your comment! People would get totally riled up if a mom wanted to kill her 1-month old because a heart defect was just detected or their 3-year old diagnosed w/ autism - how is it an different when the child is in your womb - a place that should be of the utmost protection!


john smith 2 years ago

Life should be preserved ideally, but dont bring God / beliefs into the equation. A belief is only a belief & i wish people spoke intelligently without talking about God / some imaginary person.


jorge alberto nuñez cuevas 2 years ago

I will not say the same thing that everybody does, disabilities should be prevented and treated as well as tolerated, for the sake of the families in the first place


Willowbel 2 years ago

When my husband and I were trying for our first baby we discussed the possibilities of what would happen if we received some sort of bad news. We both came to the conclusion that we could not go thru with watching our child struggle thru life we felt it wouldn't be fair on them or us. As a parent all you want is for your child to have a normal life. Thankfully our first born had nothing wrong she was born healthy and a healthy relationship formed for us as well. Sadly for a close friend of ours who just so happened to be a very strict catholic who was heavily into her church was expecting sadly her baby's results came back negative her child had a two holes in her heart and slight brain abnormalities. Of course she would never abort so she had the baby with a huge uphill road ahead. 7 years on that same woman suffered pnd and her bond with her daughter is severely frayed. Her daughter has the higher end of autism she does not communicate very well and is very hard to handle as she is frequently violent . She has no social skills and sadly may never due to spher severity she will live stuck in a body and brain that will never function properly. My friend sadly turned to me during her pregnancy at one point and openly admitted she actually understood why woman abort their children and she would never judge another woman on that decision. Now her relationship with her daughter has become a sad one. No mother should ever be made to feel forced into brining a life into the world if they Honestly feel it's not right. If my friend wasn't made to feel guilty about abortion her daughter would have been given the choice not to live with her bad heart and extreme autism. Is this really a happy life for mother and child


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wmhoward4 2 years ago from Baltimore Maryland (USA)

Anyone who has ever been around these children would be aware that their love is unconditional. Could our Lord have sent them to Earth for us to see what angels are really like?


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savvydating 2 years ago

90%? I had no idea. How horrible. I have to say, this is a very well written piece. I hope more people will research this matter properly before making any rash decisions. I am glad the some progress is being made in the way of enacting laws to prevent killing down syndrome children unnecessarily.

Voting up.


apad6869 2 years ago

I had t with brother with downs Ican describe it in ONE WORD TORTURE. It ruined my life and my familes' my parents hovered around him spoiled him did not ever discipline himand abused me he had an unfriendly attitude would not learn could not dial atelephone stayed in the toilet half the day would not speak to anyone was demanding Downs syndrome completely bruined my life my marriage and without them noing it my parents life and their marriagedo not try and impose this plague on families these children should be put up for adoptian placed in a institutian or not be broght in to this world unless these childre are disciplined they can destroy the people around the he consumed almost all of my parents time I am against abortion but Downes gives me reason to reevaluate my thinking


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JYOTI KOTHARI 2 years ago from Jaipur

You are doing a great job and I am with you in this noble cause. Thanks rated u and useful.


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Fifthmoon 2 years ago from Here~There~No Where

The doctor told my nephew's parents there was no hope for him and that they should put him in an institution and not take him home. They took him home Mom loved him and wanted to keep him, but Dad couldn't stand to look at him or show him to other people. They finally gave him up and that's how he ended up being my nephew. He has been nothing but a joy to our family. Great hub.


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Cari Jean 2 years ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Fifthmoon - thank you so much for sharing part of your nephew's story. So sad that his parents had to go through what they did, especially for his Dad's attitude toward him. Praise God that he found a loving family!!


Ross 15 months ago

Raising a DS child is a lifelong commitment... I know... people will say... raising any child is a lifelong commitment... but that's comparing apple to oranges... as most children do not need 24/7 care the rest of their life.

Others will make the argument it's a selfish decision to abort a child with DS. I am sure in some cases that is true, but it is not universal as some will claim. Some do not have the financial resources, others are older and fear for their child after their death while other's do not wish for their child to suffer through medical issues.... Again, you could argue... we'll these are concerns of all parents... but with DS... those concerns are extrapolated exponentially.

DS is a spectrum disorder... the avg IQ is 50 (equivalent to a 9 year old)... with the spectrum stretching from 20-70.... now i have never valued a person's worth based on their IQ so I will not try to refute the argument that peoples worth should not be based on their IQ... however, raising a child with an IQ of 50... is completely different than raising a 40 year old with a 50 IQ... I have worked with people with DS... and have seen the entire spectrum... from one child who ate out of a straw and could not walk... to children who could function in society...

Now... my favorite... we hear about how cute and loving DS children are... I never understood this statement....is this to say that other children are not cute and loving... or is there some universal bias where people believe DS children are not loving or cute... if so I guess i'm in the dark as i have not heard that one.

Finally, people claim that all Drs are pushing Amnio and abortion... This is not universally true... why I don't doubt there are some out there who have agendas (both ways)... I can attest as I have been through this process. We had a NIPS test which confirmed DS with 99.4% accuracy and re-affirmed the NIPS test with an Amnio. We subsequently aborted at 15 weeks. Do I have regrets on my decision... NO... do I regret having to make the decision... every day...

We all must make our own choices in the world... and we must live with them... some will argue it was a gift for good... to them... i say i wish you and your child a happy life... to those who have made the choice my wife and I made... i say... you are not alone...


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Cari Jean 15 months ago from Bismarck, ND Author

Ross, thank you for your heartfelt comment and for sharing part of your story.

Although I have never had to make the same kind of decision that you did, it was suggested by a doctor to abort my baby due to it being a high risk pregnancy for me. I didn't. My baby was born 11 weeks early and was diagnosed with cerebral palsy as a result. She is 11 years old and although there are many challenging days, she is a blessing to us and everyone who knows her. Of course we have some of the struggles you mention, like who will care for her after we're gone, and how hard it is for her to struggle with some of her medical issues.

But for me and many others, these types of decisions are based on a Biblical worldview and that we can either choose life or choose death. Also as a Christian, I know I can trust God to look after her no matter what and that I can also look to Him to heal her. For those who do not hold this type of worldview, I can see how these types of decisions can be much more difficult to make.

My heart goes out to you and I can only pray that the Lord would cause something good to come from the regrets you have in needing to make this kind of decision.


mrsmjw 13 months ago

For those who said they would murder a baby with a disability in utero but not murder an older child with a disability let me say that this very much follows Hitler's reason for creating gas chambers and cremation houses. The SS were daily murdering people point blank by shooting them, etc. Hitler became concerned for his people that this obvious murdering and such close proximity to committing these terrible atrocities would turn them into "monsters" by desensitizing them and demoralizing them. Thus, the concept of committing the same murders in relative secrecy was concocted. Think about it.


mrsmjw 13 months ago

To those who say they have\would abort(ed) because they wouldn't want their child to be a burden on society.

Should people over 20? 30? 40? 50? be exterminated because science proves their health will be declining so that the older\elderly won't be a burden on society? After all, obstetric medical science considers YOU elderly over the age of 30.

A logic is not a logic unless you can apply it all around.


mrsmjw 13 months ago

The "choice" some speak of as their right to murder their unwanted child is not a legitimate, unbiased, indiscriminate choice. It is yet another example of genocide inflicted on a weaker individual(s). Otherwise the choice would be defended for all parties involved including the unwanted child. We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men (women) are created equal...


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Cari Jean 9 months ago from Bismarck, ND Author

mrsmjw - thank you so much for your insightful comments. Just the other day I saw something online that rang so true - that Abortion doesn't empower women, instead it does quite the contrary. It gives the illusion they are not strong enough to handle having a child under difficult circumstances. It is an easy way out and there is nothing empowering about that. People are mortified that ISIS is targeting children with DS and other disabilities. I'm not understanding why. In a society that thinks it's okay to abort a baby w/ a disability why should ISIS doing it make it any worse than a woman killing her own child?


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RTalloni 9 months ago from the short journey

Thank you for addressing this difficult topic and opening an important discussion. There are many facets to it, but the societal ramifications of aborting should be enough for anyone. Ignorance is part of the problem, and thankfully, there are many who are trying to educate the public, including some great doctors.

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