Political Chicanery From Citizens United Through Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Michigan

Political Chicanery - Citizens United Through Wisconsin

This is the first time I am writing about a strictly political subject. I have tried to stick to writing about issues and examining them from both sides while attempting to discover sensible solutions. I also tend to stay clear of conspiracy theories from both liberals and conservatives. However there has developed a confluence of events that has been troubling me greatly. It began to pick up steam and show itself more after Barack Obama was sworn in as President of the United States in 2009. He had won a convincing victory in November 2008 with a clear advantage in campaign funding. Naturally President Obama had an agenda that he had campaigned on and his administration immediately began work to fulfill it. The Republicans and the Far Right felt demoralized and began searching for ways to rebound.

Conservative leaders began meeting in private in an effort to develop strategies to stop this perceived Democratic juggernaut. The results of these clandestine meetings are culminating now in Wisconsin and several other states and they are disturbing me greatly. Some of these problems the Democrats have brought on themselves. Most of it involves deceptive, immoral, and very possibly illegal tactics hatched by conservative leaders of government and industry. They are being executed brilliantly.

The following article is my assessment of what they are doing with a chronological description of the steps they have taken to execute their plan along with the consequences resulting from it. Finally I will explain what I feel all American citizens need to do to stave off this assault on both our democracy and on our middle and lower classes.

Corporations and the wealthy class enjoyed a sustained period of very favorable treatment from President George W. Bush and the Republicans in Congress between 2001 and 2008. The massive 2001 tax cuts were the first of many favorable pieces of legislation passed to benefit these constituencies. This ushered in a period of explosive growth in the disparity of wealth between the rich and poor in the United States. The Bush Administration also gutted or allowed to lay dormant most regulatory functions of the federal government. This was accomplished by staffing the regulatory agencies predominantly with former industry executives.

Then came the 2008 Presidential and Congressional elections. Senator Obama was able to raise $748,000,000 due to his overwhelmingly popular support and a very well organized internet fund raising campaign. Millions of ordinary citizens contributed small amounts to his campaign creating a formidable grassroots movement. Granted there were also large contributions from unions and others but the predominance of these funds were from smaller contributors. The Republican candidate, Senator John McCain, raised $353,000,000 through the usual avenues of corporations and rich donors. This was a large amount of money that Senator McCain raised but it paled in comparison to Senator Obama's total. The Republican leadership and their corporate supporters vowed to never let this happen again. They soon began to strategize ways to close this gap and cripple future Democrat election prospects.

President Obama and his administration hit the ground running on inauguration day and began the implementation of the policies he campaigned on. The economy was flat on its back after the stock market and housing market collapses of the previous year. The Democrats and Keynesian economists felt a strong stimulus plan was desperately needed to revive the economy. President Obama asked Congress to put together a stimulus package and they did. On February 17, 2009, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act was signed into law containing $787,000,000,000 worth of stimulus funds. Only three Republican Senators voted for this bill and no Republicans in the House voted for it.

The Republicans felt steamrolled and they were enraged. The Tea Party organizations were created directly after this legislation was passed with the benefit of millions of dollars from the billionaire business tycoons, David and Charles Koch. The Koch brothers have been financing political campaigns and organizations that advocated for their concerns for decades. Their primary issues are government deregulation and extreme tax cutting. The Koch brothers belief in these issues borders on religious zealotry. They are famous for holding political conclaves with numerous Republican and conservative political leaders in attendance. This even included Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. These gatherings primarily involved discussions relating to developing methods that would advance the Koch Brothers issues.

Another person centrally involved with the Tea Party movement is former House of Represenatives Majority Leader Dick Armey. Rep, Armey formed FreedomWorks in 2003 to advance the same issues as the Koch brothers. He became strongly involved with the Tea Party groups after the stimulus bill was passed. Armey went into high gear when the Healthcare Reform bill was being formed and debated. He and FreedomWorks crafted the manual that taught the Tea Partiers the methods to disrupt the Town Hall Meetings that House Representatives were conducting. These meetings were being held to inform their constituents on the progress of the bill and to receive feedback from them regarding it. Virginia Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, formed her conservative organization Liberty Central around this same time. Mrs. Thomas had worked for Rep. Armey in the 1990's as a Policy Analyst. The Koch brothers have helped fund her organization and many more over the years to the tune of many millions of dollars.

They also helped fund another conservative organization called Citizens United in the making of their documentary "Hillary, the Movie". The U.S. District Court of D.C. ruled in January of 2008 that the movie violated provisions prohibiting electioneering for the period of thirty days prior to a primary contained in the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act. The United States Supreme Court overruled that court ruling on January 21, 2010. They ruled that the provisions in the act that restricted independent corporate or organizational spending were unconstitutional. The Koch brothers and other corporate contributors were now free to open up their bottomless coffers to spend whatever amounts they wished to elect their candidates and push hard for their agendas. The Supreme Court effectively gave them the same free speech rights as individuals. Unfortunately ordinary citizens do not have anything close to the resources corporations have to advance their interests.

The 2010 elections were the first great test regarding the implications of the Citizens United decision. The corporate money immediately began flooding into Republican, Conservative, and Tea Party candidates. The disparity in spending between Republican and Democrat candidates was stark. Republican contributors outspent their Democrat counterparts 2 to 1. They now controlled 29 Governorships, 30 State Houses, and the federal House of Representatives. The United States Senate remained in Democrat hands but by a much slimmer margin. Most of these new Republican officeholders were strongly influenced and funded by conservative corporate contributors such as the Koch brothers. The officeholders that they had helped elect were now ready to act on their benefactors issues and priorities.

The most prominent and important of these is to restrict or cut off Government Employees Unions influence by taking away their collective bargaining rights. The newly elected Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels, unilaterally stripped his state's Government Employees Unions of their collective bargaining rights in 2005 days after taking office. Legislation is passing through the state houses in Ohio right now to accomplish the same action. Governor John Kasich has promised to sign the bill as soon as it reaches his desk. Now the same thing has happened in WIsconsin.

Governor Scott Walker and the Republicans have been involved in a showdown with the Democrats and the Government Employees Unions over legislation that would require these workers to pay for a larger part of their healthcare insurance and to pay into their pensions. The unions representing these workers agreed to these terms early on in these proceedings. They are adamantly against another more critical part of this bill. That section authorizes the repeal of most of the Government Employees Unions collective bargaining rights. One would have thought that Governor Walker and the Republicans would have been ecstatic with the union concessions, declared victory and backed off the collective bargaining rights repeal. This is especially true after they gave corporations in Wisconsin tax breaks that caused the budget deficit to get out of hand in the first place. Governor Walker obviously has ulterior motives. All of the Government Employee Unions endorsed Governor Walker's opponent in the 2010 elections except for the police and firefighters unions. The collective bargaining rights repeal will apply to all the Government Employee Unions except for those two. This sounds like political payback to me. Ironically these two unions are showing solidarity with the other unions and many of them were protesting at the Wisconsin capitol with them. They know that Governor Walker could turn on them at any time if they do not acquiesce to his contract demands.

It is clear to me that conservative Republicans and their corporate benefactors cannot bear the idea of Democrats assuming power anywhere in the United States. They reacted vehemently against President Bill Clinton in 1993 and President Barack Obama in 2009. Why is this? Neither has far left liberal leanings. The rhetoric against these Democrat presidents made them out to be just that. I believe this all comes down to the fact that most executives in Corporate America as well as many in our wealthy class feel that determing the economic and governing policy of the United States should rightly belong in their hands. This is best illustrated by the behind the scenes machinations of the incredibly wealthy David and Charles Koch. Their bi-annual conclaves have been the incubator of their free enterprise and low tax dogmas. Political strategies to achieve these goals were also concocted here.

First they needed to get the level of Republican campaign funding to surpass President Obama and the Democrats. The Koch brothers were the major funders for the Citizens United movie about Hillary Clinton. They knew the lower courts would rule against this film being shown during the 2008 election season. They also knew there was an excellent chance that the U.S. Supreme Court would eventually take the case when it was appealed. After all, Justices Scalia and Thomas had attended the Koch brothers conclaves in the past. Justice Thomas' wife Virginia received major funding from the Koch brothers. These Justices knew the plan and would take the case. They also knew that there was a 5-4 conservative advantage on the court and therefore victory was probable. Of course they won by 5-4.

The next move is the other side of the coin and is being executed now in Wisconsin and other states. This is depriving Government Employee Unions of their collective bargaining rights and passing "Right to Work" laws. Right to work laws state that an employee could opt out of union membership even when that union negotiated the employee's contract. These new laws were intended to emasculate the unions' source of funding. This will certainly happen and it will then dry up a key source of Democrat campaign funding. Now the Koch brothers have engineered nearly unlimited Republican campaign funding and dried up a major source for the Democrats. I hope you are seeing clearly this scheme that was conceived and executed by them. It is the foundation of their assault on our democracy. But there is more.

The Wisconsin Republican Senate has passed their Collective Bargaining Rights Repeal on 3/9/2011 just as I have been writing this Hub. They did so without the 24 hour notice required and without the quorum of Senators their rules dictate. This action was taken as Governor Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans saw their public support drop precipitously. Clearly the Governor and these Statehouse Republicans had their agenda to follow. They had no interest in addressing their citizens' wishes. Unfortunately this scheme to strip collective bargaining rights is not the only arrow in their quiver.

The Republican New Hampshire Speaker of the House is Bill O'Brien. He is pushing legislation to strip out of state New Hampshire college students of their voting rights. O'Brien argues that they are too young and foolish so they vote liberal. Other states are also considering legislation such as this. Many are requiring proof of residency and photo ID's.

The Republican Michigan Governor Rick Snyder is proposing legislation to replace local town governments in Michigan if they are deemed to be in financial distress. What are the odds that he will only replace Democrat governments? Quite high I believe. The Republican Treasurer will have the power to judge which towns are in financial distress and which must be replaced. These town governments would then be replaced with private corporations. Undoubtedly these corporations will be campaign supporters of Governor Snyder and his fellow Republicans.

Furthermore several Republican controlled states are proposing that new and more difficult to obtain ID's be used for the privilege of voting in that state. This smacks of southern laws during the Jim Crow era that were in place to prevent Blacks from voting in any significant numbers. Do you see a pattern in all of this?

The Republicans now have an unlimited pool of money coming in from Corporate America types such as the Koch brothers. At the same time the Republicans are strangling Government Employee Unions to starve Democratic campaign coffers. Also voters who tend to vote Democrat are being discouraged to vote by various methods previously outlined here in Michigan, New Hampshire, and all around our country. This entire plot is not only anti-Democrat as in the party of Democrats, but anti-Democratic. They are attempting to take away our right to a choice as to whom we elect to be our government leaders. Make no mistake, this is originating with the Koch brothers and their money. They feel they know best. They finance their Republican and Tea Party puppets to do their bidding.

We the people must stand up now and take action. Our voices must be heard now condemning such clandestine machinations. They will strip away all government regulations leaving corporations to do as they wish. Only the bottom line will dictate their actions. Environmental destruction will accelerate. Product safety will disappear. Economic meltdowns will worsen and become more prevalent. Taxes will be even more drastically cut leaving only the very rich and the poor. Good bye middle class. The 2012 elections are approaching fast. Please get involved in these elections if you believe as I do. Make your voices, your pocketbooks, and your votes heard. The Democrats are far from perfect but they do listen and serve the entire populace not just the wealthy and corporations. The changes that the Koch brothers have wrought will become solidified and permanent if we do not vote their Republican hacks out in 2012. Wisconsin has awakened America to some of what is happening here. Please examine this entire picture and take action with me. Nothing less than our Democratic way of life is at stake.

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Fay Paxton 5 years ago

Kudos to you for this excellent article.

I agree with your analysis completely. The thing that blows me away is how ordinary Americans presume corporations have an interest in serving their cause. While I have no doubt that there are individuals in the Tea Party who genuinely believe in the tenets they espouse, it is clear to anyone with half a brain that they have been used to further the corporate agenda. Already they are beginning to see the fruits of their labor.

I hope the recent events galvanize Americans to rise up and defend themselves. If not...we are doomed.

Voted way up/ useful and awesome.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Thanks for this in-depth, and extremely relevant hub. Send it out--let people know--the death of the unions in America is tragic.

Money is talking, and the middle-class...what middle-class?

America is no longer the land of the free, but rather the home of the naive. Be brave and stand up to the barons of brokerages, captains of industry and all who would climb on their fellow American's back to further their own greedy intention of domination.

What I really don't understand? The rich want tax breaks, when indeed the very country that allowed them to accrue such incredible wealth should receive some sort of tax. What is that? Just pure greed.

America has always bragged about its altruistic heart--but it would appear that many of the key mover-shaker millionaires have only hearts of darkness.

SAD. Great hub, and I hope the right-wing starts listening to some truth--instead of the almighty dollar. Time to sober up, folks.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you very much for your kudos Fay. The events that have developed over the past several weeks have set me on fire. The Koch brothers have the Republicans and the Tea Party in their deep pockets. I agree with you that the rank and file Tea Partiers have no idea about any of this. Ordinary U.S. citizens must be made to see this intricate plot to galvanize them into action. The events I have listed in this Hub alarm me beyond any description I can give. I would not be so passionate about this if it were a simple matter of political campaign contributions. It goes much deeper. It is insidious and reaches every level of our government. They must be stopped.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

I totally agree with you Randslam. The greed of our wealthy and our corporate titans in the U.S. is appalling. The broad majority of Americans must have their eyes opened up to this plot against our democracy and economy. The 2012 elections are coming soon and we must awaken the populace. There is a lot to be said for your much more fair and egalitarian democracy in Canada. I trust you Canadians would never stand for any of this nonsense. Thanks for your gracious comments.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Hear, Hear! You are so right. The Koch brothers influence of the "tea baggers," as some left-wing pundits love to call them, is ridiculous. I have many colleagues from the past who have jumped onto the Partiers ship and don't realize that liberty is not on board--but financial slavery is.

Ordinary US Citizens are being duped and until they start seeing the insidious nature of these "captains of industry" the US is in serious trouble.

The first act of politicians should be to eliminate the need for fundraising...ALL of those millions going to media outlets for advertising? What is that? Spend that money on education for a brighter America...for the kids' sakes.

Give anyone who wants to run for office...$10,000...from the coffers of gov't--you can spend your own money if you want--but this office that YOU want to serve in is FOR THE PEOPLE. Not for yourself.

There, gets rid of all lobbyists, major contributors and corruption.

Next topic.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Your campaign financing proposal is excellent. The U.S. Supreme Court would strike it down. They most definitely would call it a restriction of freedom of speech. I would also prefer a system where money is raised the way President Obama did it. In small contributions through the internet. Totally disclosed and a wide swath of the citizenry. The candidates who could appeal to the widest group of ordinary Americans would win. Unfortunately at this time it is only but a dream. I will continue to hope, dream, and write. They will not deprive me of that.


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amillar 5 years ago from Scotland, UK

I can't help you as far as voting is concerned, but I recognise the difficulties and dangers you're trying to warn your compatriots of and - my thoughts are with you.

Up, useful and awesome.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you Amillar. I believe my fellow citizens are waking up after the Wisconsin union breaking fiasco I wrote about. People are beginning to see the threat from the Far Right in this country and the votes will show it in 2012.


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GNelson 5 years ago from Florida

The wealthy don't need a middle class. The make their money overseas and in financial transactions that don't require making anything. Many American corporations make most of their money overseas. Because politicians will not tax the people who have the money government workers are just a cost that needs cutting. We, the middle class, have the votes to control this country but right now we don't have the will or the voice. Maybe that is about too change!


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

You are right GNelson. The Republicans are the tool of the wealthy and Corporate America so they are the ones cutting this cost of doing business. I hope that you right that the middle class is waking up. It appears to be the case but 2012 is still a ways away. The Democrats better not mess this up and let the Republicans off the hook. Thanks for commenting.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA

Dear HSchneider,

Bravo! Bravo! I have been waiting for this and it did not disappoint!

Once again, you manage to speak so eloquently and so persuasively! I do hope that you submit this to the NY Times for their editorial page! Everyone must read this!

If I am ever able to get back to Staten Island(hopefully within the next year) to visit my family, you and your mom will be invited as 'Guests of Honor' to an Italian feast! That is the least I can do to show you how much I appreciate and respect your ability to illuminate the issues that I find so important! Bravo!


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you Jillian. Your Hub was awesome also and we all have to continue the drumbeat to expose these corporate and political manipulators. I truly mean our democracy is at stake here. We have to vote them all out in 2012. Thank you also for the future S.I. invite. I'd be very happy to attend.


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William F. Torpey 5 years ago from South Valley Stream, N.Y.

Well said, HSchneider. Thinking people must take action to stop this assault on our democracy by the far right. The courageous senators in Wisconsin have offered a good example of the kind of commitment it will take. But we can't falter. Regarding campaign financing, I believe we must find a way to take all money out of political campaigns, although I recognize that involves serious Constitutional problems. But the middle class can't win a financial battle with the giant corporations combined with the right wing billionaires. The 2012 elections will be upon us quickly. Time is of the essence. A loss in 2012 would be cataclysmic.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

H.s. thanks for weighing in on this, I am not unreasonably guilty of liberal bias. Why, when there are more of us "the people" then there are of them, are so many people taking the side of those advocating policies against their interests? The misinformation campaign from the right has to be brilliantly conceived. That is the real reason Rush Limbaugh gets paid so much, convincing people on the street that their interests are ultimately the same as those of the Koch brothers... It seems to take a crowbar to open the eyes of so many that are "wide shut". I may have to do another hub touching on this, even though it may be disturbing and troubling for some.


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robie2 5 years ago from Central New Jersey

I am absolutely on the same page with you-- what is happening in Wisconsin is part of a right wing takeover orchestrated by Koch Brothers Inc. I'm not usually into conspiracy theories either, but this is truly something dangerous-- Truth and logic has been thrown out the window and people have been manipulated shamefully in the most cynical way. I am not only concerned, I am furious.

I am only hoping that in Wisconsin at least, Walker has overplayed his hand and that the American people have had a wake-up call. I'm still an Obama mama and think we all have to get behind him and get him re-elected in 2012.

Keep the faith :-) and thanks for writing this.


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Mimi721wis 5 years ago

You're absolutely right . It makes you wonder why others don't get it. I agree with Fay. I don't understand why so many working class people go along with the GOP and then again I do. The Koch brothers have purchased a lot of republicans with those billions of dollars the two of them share. If more people would wake up, some of this damage could be repaired. At least Scott Walker and Boehner have revealed what their party's about. That should help. I hope many many people read this hub. I shared it with a few friends


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

I agree with you William in regards to campaign financing. It would be the most fair way of campaigning if it was entirely publicly financed. But you are also correct that the Supreme Court would swat that down fast on freedom of speech grounds. I just do not understand the Citizens United ruling except that it was politically motivated. Scalia, Thomas and their fellow conservative brethren have handed the GOP unlimited campaign funding and turned corporations into individuals. It's disgusting. We all need to get involved with the 2012 elections. Thanks for commenting.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you for commenting Credence2. The only explanation for why so many people buy this conservative nonsense that is against their interest is that they have the preponderance of money to drill their message into the people's minds endlessly. It is exactly like a corporate product campaign. Just keep hammering the message away with their continual lies. Soon the people think it is truth. Keep Hubbing about this. 2012 is so very important. We the people cannot for our sakes let the Republicans win next year.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Robie2, I believe that Governor Walker of Wisconsin has overplayed his hand. The Wisconsin Government Employee Unions have been heroes in this fight and brought this naked power takeover to light. I do believe with you that this has awakened the Progressive Left in this country for sure and I think it has awakened the entire country. I hope we are right for our country's sake. The GOP must be soundly beaten in 2012. Thank you for your praise and comments and I also am still a big President Obama backer.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you for your comments Mimi and I totally agree. Walker and Boehner have revealed the Republicans true colors. Boehner in response to his budget cut proposals said, "So be it", in response to the bill's effects on government jobs. They seem to not see the people who occupy these positions as real people. They came to power claiming their one big focus was jobs. Everything they have proposed is either irrelevant to job creation or job destroying. They are total political phonies and have been exposed for it. Hopefully the Democrats play it smart and capitalize. The Republicans must be defeated in 2012 so the Koch bothers are stopped or at least slowed down.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado

Hi HS, this is such a high priority for the people of America. I have become very frustrated trying to get the word out myself, however. I have been posting my ariticles on facebook and also some of the other articles such as this one that have appeared on Hubpages. The response from many of my republican friends is that they don't believe it. They think we are just making this up.

America is at the greatest risk of falling that it has been in its entire past and the electorate is asleep at the wheel about to careen off the cliff of total destruction.

I believe this quote is from Alexander Tytler and I think it pretty much tells us our next stop is in bondage to the mega corporations:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you for your comments CreatePerfection. Thank you also for getting the word out and exposing this attempt by Corporate America to takeover our government and democracy. It is a great threat as you stated but I am hopeful that the word is getting out now. The Republicans have greatly overplayed their hand in the states I've written about and more. It's been all over the news and the progressive Left is energized. Unfortunately it is always the far wings of each party that get active. The middle of the body politic must be informed the most about this to get them angry and active over this outrage. It is happening now just like the Tea Party funded by the Koch brothers got the Far Right active. You and I and others need to keep up the hard work and keep this critical issue on the front burner.


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Jeremey 5 years ago from Arizona

Well done!!!!


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you Jeremey.


NursePam 5 years ago

HSchneider - excellent post!


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you NursePam.


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Warren Curtis 5 years ago from Buffalo, New York

Clapping....Great Post Sharing this on my Page if you don't mind http://www.facebook.com/CUACA.US we are fighting to stop the madness. Check out my hubs. From my research in this matter this Corporate Take over has been going on for a long time and can be traced back as far as 1600 with the East India company. Oh, and a Tidbit of history for you. Capitalism was birthed in Europe and was a prime reason our forefathers to come here. History and money trails tell a great deal about what is really going on. “They” are just bored with waiting and are going in for the final blow but I think they struck to soon. We still have strength and can fight back. I wish this was a conspiracy.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

No problem sharing my Hub Warren. Thank you for your kind comments. I agree the Republicans have struck too soon with their takeover methods and the backlash is massive now. Hopefully this lasts through the 2012 election and keeps everyone energized. The Republicans need to be defeated so we can curtail this outrageous corporate influence.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Absolutely, but with enemies like Sarah Palin fronting the battle--is there really a battle?

I just visited her Facebook page and the rhetoric of the right is so completely disconnected from the truth that I find it hard to believe America would be so foolish as to vote that far into the abyss of lunacy.

Let's cross our fingers--George Dubya got in twice...ugh.

The right has thrown itself into the ring too early and hopefully with telegraphed punches like this, the center of the political spectrum will bring sensibility, responsibility and accountability back to America.

The real problems of our modern era began with Reagan when he fired all of the Air Controllers--that was the end of balanced, socialized capitalism.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Hopefully the Republicans will keep trotting out these Far Right people who keep spewing this nonsense. These actions the Governors are taking are galvanizing both Democrats and common sense centrists. But I do agree with you that stranger things have happened like Bush being elected twice.


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junko 5 years ago

Outstanding Hub. I'm so glad you wrote. Do it again.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you Junko. I had to write it because of all the GOP nonsense going on. I will be writing on other more narrow issues as i normally do but I will revisit when the Republicans become even more outrageous. We both know they probably will.


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toknowinfo 5 years ago

Well done hub. Your clear thinking and excellent points make this a very valuable article. As always, your intellect prevails in your writing.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you Toknowinfo. I hope the Democrats prevail in 2012 in a big way. I fear for the people of the United States otherwise.


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Terry.Hirneisen 5 years ago from Shenandoah Valley

The others said it ----Well Done ! Up an awesome I think our country will never recover if the Democrats do not prevail.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

You are absolutely right Terry. The Democrats must win in 2012 or the middle and lower classes of this country are doomed. Corporate America will be running us. Thank you for your kind comments.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

This hub is extremely inaccurate, both in conclusions, facts, and promotes a lot of wholly fictional nonsense.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Weholdthesetruths, Interesting moniker. You may claim to hold truths but you obviously cannot or will not see them. My article is absolutely accurate and I guess you are one of the Tea Party purveyors of fiction. Fortunately your party's cards of lies are beginning to crumble. The obvious powerplays in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, New Hampshire and many other temporarily Republican states have exposed these tactics originated by the Koch brothers and the majority of Americans are waking up to them. The party is over. The Ohio collective bargaining rights repeal will go on the ballot for November and will lose resoundingly. Then all Republicans will be defeated in 2012. About time.


junko 5 years ago

I hope to see the american people Republican Democrats and Independents use the power of recall now, and vote revolt later. Wehold will needs some other truths.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

No amount of blather from you changes truth. You're a slave to the democrat party and it's blackmail artist arm, the unions.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

Instead of accusations Wehold, why don'tyou enlighten us as to why the rightwing way of reasoning is so consistent with the intent of the Constitution as you understand it and all the rest of us are mere dupes. I have plenty of reasons to support the Dems outside of the Labor issues.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

Credence2... read my hubs. i discuss politics, the Constitution, it's application, why limited government is not optional, and many other things.

I don't have to call people perverts, I don't have to type out endless adhominem rants, filled iwth hate and lies. I know what I believe and I know it's true and right.

If you want to disagree, then do so after reading what I've said.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Good Morning to all. I just woke up and I see there was a continuing debate on this while I slumbered. Junko and Credence, thank you for commenting. I hope also that there is a recall in Wisconsin as well as the referendum in Ohio. It will make for a significant November election concerning workers rights. Also a great prelude to 2012. Weholdthesetruths, The Progressive Left is now awake. No more 2010. The Constitution was never meant to be as strictly construed as you believe. I wrote another Hub concerning Conservative Judicial Restraint. Take a gander and we can debate on it. I will read more of yours also. But please open your mind some. Don't blindly follow your political ideology. The Founding Fathers knew there was much more to include than they ever could imagine. Read the 9th amendment. Remember slavery was left intact in the original document. Thank you all for the lively debate. I love it. This is what our Founding Fathers envisioned and wanted. Keep debating.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

HSchneider; This:"The Constitution was never meant to be as strictly construed as you believe."

Is most idiotic comment ever. So, tell me, if I have a contract with you, to do X for Y compensation, I'm then free come back and cut your pay in half.... "Because I never intended for the contract to be strictly interpreted"? The Constitution is VERY plain, VERY clear, and it is MY protection from government and from YOU. Thus, I have not only the right, but the INTENTION OF THE WRITERS to protect me and my rights, from both runamock government and runamock tyrants - you know, the kind that believe that public employees can and should organize themselves to extort the taxpayers.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Why do you insist on spewing insults whenever you write something, Weholdthesetruths? It seems to me you cannot have an honest debate because you feel you hold all the truth in the world. The 9th amendment states, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people". Thus writing into the Constitution its elasticity. They knew that they had only written the most basic rights and there were others they may have missed or might become possible in the years that would follow. You only want to read the parts that you want. The rights they have written in the Constitution are protected. No doubt. But the document goes further than that.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

The document is a living one--the Founding Fathers knew this, even in their descriptions of the Constitution. They hurried to get this thing done to create a "beacon on a hill." A beacon that could brighten and dim as the people continued to find freedom and rights that would be required as technology, populations, ideologies and life changed.

It is a work of genius that has been changed often through the plus two hundreds years of the united states.

It is a work in progress, of genius, of freedom and of change.

No insults need be flung when discussing important issues like freedom and rights of humankind. Let's not be children.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you Randslam. I could not have said it better myself. The document is one of genius but also an imperfect compromise. Slavery was allowed to stand in the original document with slaves counted as 3/5 representation for southern whites. It took a war to settle that one. The Bill of Rights was not in the original document. It was a fulfilled promise that was passed later. They included the 9th amendment because they knew they had simply scratched the surface. It is proper and right to debate these issues and study and interpret this marvelous document. It is not an immovable stone.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

You said: "The 9th amendment states, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people". Thus writing into the Constitution its elasticity. "

Again, what utter stupidity.

Our rights do NOT come from the government. They are NOT enumerated by the Constitution. The Constitution DELEGATES very specific powers, AND ONLY THOSE to the federal government.

That's why there's a 10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The 9th Amendment is to make it absolutely CLEAR that the Constitution does not enumerate the rights of the people, that the people retain ALL rights and powers, EXCEPT those delegated to the people. The 9th amendment was written specifically to rebuke fools like you, who fail to grasp that the Constitution does not empower you, nor do your rights extend from it. And the 10th Amendment exists, to remind fools like you, that the Constitution is SPECIFIC, RIGID, and UNCHANGING in that it delegates only specific, detailed authority, for only specific and detailed purposes to the federal government. All other rights, powers, authority is retained by the states or the people themselves.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

Randslam : There is one, specific, and only ONE way to alter the constitution, that is by amendment.

Other than that, the Constitution empowers the federal government to do ONLY what it says it must do. And, none of the liberal dreams and nightmares that have been forced upon us, are constitutional.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Weholdthesetruths, Again the name calling. You are totally misconstruing the 9th amendment. You are correct that the 10th amendment gives all Powers, not rights, to the states which are not enumerated in the Constitution. The 10th amendment discusses governmental powers not rights. The 9th amendment discusses Rights. The Supreme Court interprets laws and actions to determine if they are constitutional. This is how it evolves. Yes, also by constitutional amendment. Please be clear between the 2 amendments. They are not the same. 9th - Rights. 10th - Governmental Powers.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

And while you're at it, tell me what RIGHT have public employees to take adverse action against the taxpayers who fund their paychecks?

Isn't that government blackmailing the citizens into supporting the cushy lifestyle public employees want to have at the expense of the public?

In this case, the public employee unions are donating money to democrats, who take more taxpayer money for public employees and laws favorable to unions, who then funnel mmore taxpayers money to same. It's the wolf and the fox, deciding how many chickens to eat. It is immoral, on top of all the other measures of stupid.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

Geeze, stop listening to stupidity and pretending it's wise. The 9th amendment is there to prevent ANYONE FROM BELIEVING THAT RIGHTS COME FROM THE CONSTITUTION. There is no "flexibility" in the 9th amendment, it is simply re-statement, for clarity's sake, that the people's rights are and remain, theirs. That mention of rights of the people ARE NOT A LIMITATION TO THOSE RIGHTS.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Weholdthesetruths, Government employees ARE TAXPAYERS and deserve to unionize and negotiate fairly just like everyone else. I suppose because that is not in the Constitution, then it should not be allowed. You are against this because you have the limited view that business owners, corporations, and government are the only ones who should be able to negotiate. Also, I thought you were for limited government. In this case, you are for expanded government. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

BTW, the supreme court DOES NOT CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.

The Constitution does not delegate it's meaning, its intention, it's purpose, nor its authority to the Supreme Court. The Supreme court HAS NO POWER TO "EVOLVE" the Constitution. It is clear, unambiguous, and needs no "interpretation", as it is not written in legalese, and there are no "emanations" or "penumbras" or any other such raw stupidity in it, either. It is what it is, says what it says, and it's not actually debateable, it is that clear and that straightforward.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Wow! wehold, what are you doing? Have you ever seen the "extravagant" life of a teacher? Those poor bastards don't make any money.

I am astonished by your lack of understanding regarding the corporate takeover of America by capitalists. The money is gone, dude--the wealthy two percent have taken it all! They've done it through manipulation of government, wall street and de-regulation.

The Constitution has been amended several times--which again, makes it a living document.

Pull your head out of Palin's butt--and WAKE UP! You're losing America--and it isn't to communism, socialism or teachers. It's to wealthy corporations like GE, who used Reagan, until he got to big for his own britches.

Enron, Bank Scandals, Oil Companies, News corporations, and the list goes on and on--are creating a whole new class of American--the middle-class BROKE!


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

"Weholdthesetruths, Government employees ARE TAXPAYERS and deserve to unionize and negotiate fairly just like everyone else."

No, they are not. Just exactly WHOM do they "negotiate" with? They cannot negotiate with the taxpayers, you idiot. Organizing against the citizens is simply tyranny and immorality. No rational or moral person would think otherwise.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Weholdthesemyths, That is your new HubPages name. The Supreme Court changed the law with CitizensUnited, Brown vs Board of Ed, Roe v Wade, etc. Why do you call everything and everyone stupid that does not agree with your viewpoint. You spew these names at me because you have no satisfactory explanation to my previous comment explaining the difference between the 9th and 10th amendments. The Constitution is not simple and straightforward. It is complex, nuanced, and a wonderful document.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

The surpreme court DID NOT CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.

Get that through your thick, stone filled skull already.

And, no, there is nothing "complex" or "nuanced" about the Constitution. Why are you so willingly gullible?


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

randslam: Who told you these lies, and why are you so determined to be a mindless, gullible sheep for them?


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Weholdthesemyths, You have proven that I am right because all you can do is revert to namecalling. There is obviously nothing complex or nuanced about your thought processes.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Randslam, You are right. Teachers and other public servants are making very low salaries for what they do. The pensions have gotten out of hand and there had to be givebacks. The unions have done so but still these reactionary Republicans have stripped them of collective bargaining rights. It is all part of the Koch brothers corporate takeover scheme.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

LOL, pointing out the sheer insanity of your commentary is "proof you're right"? LOL!!!!

Oh, wait, that's as close as you can get, because you could NEVER make your argument from the Constitution itself, so you let your smug, ignorant arrogance substitute for intelligence. You can't make the case for ANY of this from the Constitution itself, but I dare you to try. Write me a hub, quoting the Constitution, to show me where it delegates itself to SCOTUS and where it intends that future meaning be twisted, distorted, and "infinitely flexible" so as to allow power and money mad politicians in DC to control our lives...


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

HSchneider: Public employes BY A LARGE MARGIN earn more than their counterparts in the private sector. They have outrageous benefits and excessive pay. Not all, of course, just a lot of them. And, the public has EVERY right to dictate to their servants EXACTLY what they get paid, and if you dont' want to be a public servant, then get the hell out. The taxpayers will pay what they want, and if that's a pittance, then so be it.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

What? You gave up? Can't actually defend your insanity? I gotta go work... I'll check back to see if you've tried to defend your nonsense from the clear, unambiguous and very specific Constitution.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

There...living document...you name-calling Reprobatublican. I separate myself from weholdthesemyths to be truth.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Weholdthesemyths, I hope you don't think I spend my whole day at the computer correcting your misconceptions. I already corrected you on the 9th amendment and agreed with you on the 10th. You simply choose to listen only to your own opinion. Otherwise you resort to namecalling if anyone disagrees. Read my Conservative Judicial Restraint Hub for more edification on my Constitutional views. Try to keep an open mind if you are capable of that. Enjoy your work day and please treat your employees better than the new Republican Governors are doing.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Very well stated Randslam. His mind is closed off to all opinions that differ than his.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Yep, and I could keep quoting the declaration showing the socialistic nature of the Founding Fathers.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

It is the way of the rightwinger to revert to violence either verbal or physical as soon as they run out of ideas, and that is often. Wehold: this behavior is why the political right is held in contempt by those that want to actually discuss the merit of an issue, and not merely march to a cadence of a drum beat. You are proving to be both a bully and a boor, why not find another sandbox to play in?


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

It is a shame that we cannot have a civil debate with Weholdthesetruths. It actually could be both interesting and enlightening for both sides. There are points that can be debated honestly and both he and I could learn things. Unfortunately he refuses to even listen and simply calls everyone names. Thanks for your comments Credence2.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

Randslam... quoting the declaration of independence in no way makes the constitution "a living document".


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

credence2. Just like in Wisconsin, the only violence is on the LEFT, not the right. It always is. The right does not believe in violence, it is the left that does, which is why left leaning demonstrations often result in a riot. It is why the TEA Party demonstrations are peaceful, don't litter, don't break the law, and are orderly and calm.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

Hschneider... IT is YOU who is uncivil. Your attacks on the people of Wisconsin, your totally uncivil devotion to the lies and violence of the unions, and your hate for the Constitution... All is uncivil. I'm merely calling you out, and telling you for once, stop being a gullible goon, and start lookign for truth. YOu have yet to speak a single civil and true word.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

Wehold: the protests in Wisconsin were peaceful, we are not the "take the country back" lock and load people. When you check sources outside the Fox news their signs that they carry during their rallies are anything but peaceful. The radical left had spent its activist days back in the sixties, who is stirring up the pot now? Wake up and smell the coffee! Your comments about how public servants are basically relegated to slave labor is pure Koch Brothers, absolutely pure. Your agenda and your political bent is on the way the way out as you aggrevate the unions, intimidate racial minorities and present half-witted candidates for higher office. I have hubbed often as to why so many of you hate progressive thinking to the point that you would be willing to enslave yourselves to people who would delight in such an outcome. I tell the right to "keep it up" and soon that GOP icon will change from an elephant to a wooly mammoth.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

The protests in wisconsin were peaceful? What kind of brainwashing have you been in on? Don't try lying to me anymore. I demand truth, and that bit of outrageous nonsense does NOT qualify.

And, about "progressive thinking"... It's an oxymoron. There's nothing progressive about it. It's neanderthal powermongering and nothing else.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

As for violence, once you allied yourself with union thugs, you are now the ideology of murder, thuggery, violence, and corruption, as are all unions. You willingly made your bed in it, and NOW YOU OWN IT. Unions should be illegal, and every one of their leadership and members should be prosecuted under RICO statutes and all the thugs, murderers, election corrupters, and so on, jailed. YOU chose that den of hoodlums and criminals to get in bed with, and NOW YOU OWN IT. You're no better than them.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Okay...I haven't read the last three comments...but can I now strangle weholdthesemyths...please.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

Yup, the left's first resort is violence.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Obviously Credence is drunk, because of the ridiculous diatribes of wethemythologicaltruth speaks.

The protests in Wisconsin were peaceful...but hardly resolved.

Okay reset...all of you...wehold, you are DEFINITELY, a follower of Glenn Beck, I get that.

But, I would like it if you listened to the BBC, or the CBC, to get a different opinion about your country. I appreciate your patriotism, but I once too, was a patriot. Both to Canada and the USA--I don't believe in either anymore, because of their politicians--I have become a citizen of the PLANET. I am here to save people and the planet--screw your patriotism. So, I don't really care what your constitution has to say...I have to say--STOP WASTING YOUR RESOURCES--QUIT WORSHIPPING FALSE RELIGIONS--AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT LITTLE YOU HAVE LEFT, YOU STUPID WANKERS!!!!!


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Weholdthesemyths, You are a deeply disturbed individual. I was hoping to have an honest and civil debate with you but your ears and mind are closed. You spout this hateful nonsense which actually make no sense. I honestly believe you need psychiatric help. I have had good debates with some very conservative people here on Hub in the past but your mind is absolutely closed. Enjoy your delusions and have a wonderful life.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Credence2, I agree with all you have said to Wehold but his mind is totally shut to anything but his own FAR Right philosophy. Argue with him if you wish but it is useless. I also agree, especially after hearing his diatribes, that the GOP is going down in 2012. Wooly mammoth indeed. I liked that line a lot.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Randslam, Don't let Wehold get to you. No violence is necessary. He is beyond reasoning with. You are right that nothing has been settled yet in Wisconsin but a few GOP State Senators are possibly going to be recalled so there is hope. Ohio passed a similar collective bargaining rights repeal and will probably have to be passed in a public referendum to become law. It will lose badly and the progressive Left will be energized for 2012. I guess i have more faith in the system than you. I do not trust politicians a lot either but I still hold out hope. keep the faith Randslam. You're a good man.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

LOL, "follower of Glen Beck". Not in the slightest. See, the problem here, is that you live and think solely by artificially created stereotypes, created by manipulative people, who have managed to totally brainwash you guys.

You see, my comments about your all being absurd... Is based on some very revealing comments. "How Scott Walker treats his employees". YOu know, Walker has only a handful, and I'm sure he treats them well. But none of the people in question, the public employees of Wisconsin... WORK FOR THE GOVERNOR. They don't. They work for THE PEOPLE. And when the people are harmed by public employee unions... then they must go. Period. End of debate.

The public employees HAVE NO RIGHT to anything. Not even a job. They serve solely at and by the generosity of the taxpayers... Of which they are not. I don't care if we do stupid accounting tricks, public employees produce nothing, and pay nothing. It is the producers of the state that pay theier wages, and pay the taxes witheld from their wages. They DID NOTHING FOR IT.

When you grasp this, then you begin to understand why public employees cannot morally, rationally, or properly unionized at all. Organizing against the interests of the people of the country... Is treason. And that is the ONLY purpose of a public employee union, to use thuggery, violence, threats, and intimidation against the interests of the taxpayers.

"need psychiatric help". Ohh, now there's a gem for ya. Only the most closed minded and fanatical - like the communists in the USSR believed that disagreement with them was a mental disorder that required forceful adjustment.

The only "disturbed" I am, is the irritation that disturbs my peace of mind when I read the puerile nonsense you post on certain things. You know, the "good is evil, evil is good" stuff you promote.

And no, my mind is NOT closed... YOURS IS. You're the one who has such a closed mind, and cannot grasp truth in plain sight. Cannot see reason when it is in front of him, and chooses wrong, illusion, and delusion rather than simple straightforward truth.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

LOL, no, it's DEMOCRAT senators going down... Not GOP. The TEA Party vastly outnumbers your union thugs ,and all the people they can threaten.. .so, no, you WILL LOSE.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

here, copied from an article, is an example of the thuggery of the left... The union goons and hit squads, out to hurt, threaten, intimidate, and harm as many as they can...

"Dated March 28, 2011, the letter is addressed to "DEAR UNION GROVE AREA BUSINESS OWNER/MANAGER," in Racine County. And it begins with this warm greeting: "It is unfortunate that you have chosen 'not' to support public workers rights in Wisconsin. In recent past weeks you have been offered a sign(s) by a public employee(s) who works in one of the state facilities in the Union Grove area. These signs simply said 'This Business Supports Workers Rights,' a simple, subtle and we feel non-controversial statement given the facts at this time."

We doubt "subtle" is the word a business owner would use to describe this offer he is being told he can't refuse.

The letter is signed by Jim Parrett, the "Field Rep." for Council 24 of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, which is the most powerful union in the AFL-CIO. The letter presents a litany of objections to Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's changes to benefits and public union collective bargaining power, describing them as "things that make life working in a 24-7 facility tolerable."

The missive concludes by noting that, "With that we'd ask that you reconsider taking a sign and stance to support public employees in this community. Failure to do so will leave us no choice but do [sic] a public boycott of your business. And sorry, neutral means 'no' to those who work for the largest employer in the area and are union members."

This crass thuggery and criminal conspiracy to harm people should be shut down, and EVERY ONE OF YOU ARRESTED AND TRIED.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

I really don't give a shit...I live in Canada, after having spent two decades in the US...You Mother fu c k ers are nuts.

I went back to the country that I grew up in...even after being seduced by America...I realized after seventeen years....that being Canadian, was WAAYYYY better than being American. So, have a nice life...but, I wouldn't want to be american in this century...thank god, I'm not.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

randslam... LOL! Some things about you have become quite clear...


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Yes, living in America is a nightmare...enjoy the American dream...because it doesn't exist. In Canada, we ski, go to the beach and enjoy coffee. Is that so bad?


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

Yes, randslam, it is so bad. You have no rights, and why any man would defend that, I don't know. I know why sheep and brainwashed drones would, but not men.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

And more name-calling, I have more rights than you do right now. You can stay in jail by presidential order--even if found innocent. What is that for rights?

I've always found it interesting when people start name-calling--usually has something to say about their own brainwashed existence. Do some reading, myth man.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Hey Randslam, He refuses to listen to anyone else so it is not worth answering him. He only will agree with his own kind. His views are that government should walk hand in hand with the corporate world and put down the workers so they have to be totally obedient to them. Sound familiar. It's called Fascism. I will not respond to his name calling or his Dictating his views. If he wants to civily discuss our different views, I will be happy to do so. Take care Rand.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

HSchneider... So, your only tool of argument is to lie about me? How utterly pathetic.


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N.E. Wright 5 years ago from Bronx, NY

Hi HSchneider,

I read this a week ago, and I realized I never made a comment. Sorry.

I must say I agree with you completely ....

You are correct in all that you had written, and that is not because I am a liberal, but because I heard this all on MSNBC.

Sure they are liberal leaning, but they also pride themselves on telling the truth. They are not Fox. LOL.

We the People need to wake the Hell up. Thanks to Scott Walker -- and his bucket of ice water. LOL. -- we are alert. About damn time.

I am sharing this on my Face-Book page, and with my other followers.

Thank you so much for sharing.

Take Care,

N.E.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you Ms. Wright. I appreciate your comments. Thank you also for sharing my Hub. This conspiracy is a serious threat to our democratic country and the more people know about it, the quicker it can be stopped. FOX is a part of it. Roger Ailes runs that organization and he is a long time Republican media man.


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N.E. Wright 5 years ago from Bronx, NY

HSchneider, please just call me N.E.. LOL.

I agree with you completely.

We need to stay alert. They want to take away Social Security, Medicare, and our rights to bargain? How is that good for the country?

Again, thank you for this insightful posting.

Take Care,

N.E.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Your welcome N.E. There is nothing that the current GOP is doing that is good for the country. It's only good for the wealthy and Corporate America.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

The GOP is lost anyway...thank you Mr. Ryan. Nice Budget...you idiot. Barack Obama gets a second term on the GOP's stupid accounting skills. Oh wait, they've always been stupid accountants...must be that voodoo that you do economics--yes, voodoo economics don't work. Duh!

YAY! for the second term of Obama care...he might help America--if he's given enough time.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

They certainly are lost Randslam. Between this hideous Ryan budget plan which will destroy Medicare and Medicaid while lowering taxes for the rich, the GOP has Donald Trump and Michelle Bachmann acting like clowns with this birther nonsense. I wish the election was this November. The Democrats would clean up.


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sn53Anon 5 years ago from Huntsville, AL

Hi HSC,

Before I spend time working through your piece I am interested to know if you intent to shut me down in the same way as Jillian Barclay and Ralph Deeds. If you are uncomfortable answering questions with those who do not agree with you just say the word and I shall move on to enrich and enliven the conversations elsewhere. But if you are up to the challenge of lively and spirited debate over what the facts are and the proper way to interpret them I shall return.

I must ask because it is clear you have the same belief system as Jillian and Ralph.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Hello sn53Anon, I have never yet deleted any comments posted to any of my Hubs. I will answer and debate you fairly on any points if you do the same. I stopped answering Weholdthesetruths in the comments on this Hub because he simply spewed names at myself and others who defended me. There was no debating him because he became hysterical at my points. I had a lengthy debate with Jon Ewall on my Healthcare Reform Hub that was fruitful though we both were in severe disagreement. Avoid namecalling and simply state your points and disagreement with mine and we will be fine. I will advise we move on to other points when we have exhausted a point and simply disagree. Constant back and forth becomes monotonous. Just a heads up, I will be leaving to go to my Mother's house for Easter in 2 hours and will be back later on Sunday. Therefore if I have not answered, just give me some time to return and settle in and I will surely answer your comments.


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James A Watkins 5 years ago from Chicago

You correctly noted that President Obama had a clear advantage in campaign funding but you neglected to point out that the very corporations you lambast gave Democrats nearly twice as much money as they did Republicans—$160M to $100M. Computer and internet corporate giants gave 66 percent of their contributions to Democrats and they are the fastest growing corporations in the country. But you claim that McCain was the puppet of corporate America. McCain's support came solidly from average middle class Americans. Admittedly, he was a very weak candidate.

The unions supplied most of the rest and where did the money for public employee union campaign contributions come from? 50 percent taken from Republican taxpayers. American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) is the single biggest outside donor in all of American politics, and it is funded 50 percent by Republican taxpayers, yes?

And as for all the rhetoric about the GOP being an arm of the rich, that is so 1960s. The richest people in America, those with net worth over $30 million, voted for Obama by 67 percent. People who earn more than $250,000 a year voted for Obama by 52 to 46 percent.

If you look at the wealth data on the state level, the most wealthy states vote for the Democratic Party every election.

You mention the GOP uses immoral and illegal tactics. Such as what, pray tell?

The Stimulus Act was spent 87 percent in districts that voted for Obama. What is really was was the most outrageous patronage in the history of the United States.

The Supreme Court got the decision right in regard to film documentaries. If Micahel Moore can make his film attacks on the Right, why can't the Right return the favor? Surely you know that film documentaries are 90 percent from the liberal point of view, in following its backing in Hollywood, including those made by PBS with taxpayer money. What upset the Left about any conservative documentaries being made is that it contravenes their belief in the words of the father of the New Left, Herbert Marcuse: "Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left."

Your article implies that public employee labor unions are set up against the power of corporations when in reality they are set up as a worker monopoly against taxpayers.

In Wisconsin, duly elected officials put forth a legal bill to voted on by the legislature—that is how representative democracy works—and the Democrats fled the state—illegally—and refused to vote. Now just imagine if every time a bill came before Congress the side that thought it would lose just left the country and refused to vote. That is not democracy. That is a tyranny of the minority.

You overstretched when you wrote that President Obama has "no far left liberal leanings." Has there ever been an American President farther to the Left?

The largest single contributor to American politics is George Soros, who has given over one billion dollars to his ultra-liberal causes. What he wants is the destruction of America to be replaced by a worldwide government that is Communist. Yet Liberals seek his funding and welcome it gladly. And you fret over the Koch Brothers giving $30K to Governor Walker's campaign as if THAT is the threat to democracy.

Right to Work laws mean that if you refuse to work for $20 an hour and another man who can do the job as well as you is willing, he has a "Right to Work" just as you do.

Why is proof of residency to vote a bad thing? You can't cash a check without proof of who you are. The Democrats are only against this because they know they cheat, and always have cheating in elections. The Chicago Machine Motto was "Vote early and vote often." This was said publicly.

I have seen the brouhaha about the Michigan town taken over by the state. Guess what? That is MY home town—Benton Harbor, Michigan. Forty years of progressive governments there have recieved millions and millions in federal and state funds and most of it went missing. That's right: missing. Gone with no trail of where it went. The corruption and fraud there stinks to high heaven.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you for commenting James. Firstly, my Hub basically addresses events after the 2008 election so I will speak to that. I would limit campaign contributions of both unions and corporations. But the Scalia-Thomas controlled court destroyed that. Any sensible campaign finance reform is now dead for awhile. The Republicans, Tea Party, and Far Right are controlled by the Koch Brothers and their corporate brethren. I wish it was the 1960's but it is 2011 and it is all too real. Scalia and Thomas are part of it. The new GOP majorities are restricting voter registration of likely Democrat leaning groups with unfair overly strict conditions. This is 1950's and 60's all over again. Proof of identity is fine but they go overboard. Right to work states are fine but eliminating collective bargaining rights are unnecessary and a power play move to drain Democratic campaign funds. The states that have no collective bargaining rights have a higher average deficit than the others. Still the unions agreed to givebacks and rightfully so but Gov. Walker and others still repealed these rights. It's all election strategies going back to the Koch Brothers conclaves. They are backfiring. The Democrat Governors in new York and Connecticut are getting concessions without these tactics. The same with GOP Governor Christie in my state of New Jersey. Their popularity is still high. The so-called tyranny of the minority is now actually a majority winning elections and gaining recalls. As for Soros who is a natural Conservative boogeyman. Yes, he gives tons of money to Democrats and Liberal causes. But he does not dictate or organize Democrats in election strategies. He gives above board to support his issues while the Koch weasels work behind the scenes without disclosure. Finally Governor Snyder is taking over control of certain cities because they are Democrat bastions. He is also giving them over to companies that give him campaign donations. Can you say quid pro quo? This is un-American and should be struck down by the courts. This is Fascist governing. He has decided to be the dictator of Michigan. Congratulations James, you now have a conservative Republican dictator in your home state. What's next? The United States. The only good thing about all of this is that it is all being exposed. Bring on 2012.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

James, while you worry about rich democrats you ignore rich Republican strategies.

This all started with Reagan, and the reason that main street America doesn't exist is because of Republican corporations outsourcing their working staff--predicated by "voodoo economics," to quote Vice President Bush, who claims he never said that--even tho' it's recorded on video.

So much of this argument should be addressed from the center--the reason that it isn't is because the center got burned out...almost literally.

The Bill Mahers and Glenn Becks of the world need to tone down their diatribes, along with the Sarah Palins, Rush Limbaughs and Joy Behars, I mention both left and right wing pundits to indicate the middle needs a pundit.

The bipolar fight in America is too dramatic...a centrist would understand that unions are good for the little guy and wealth is good for the country.

However, captains of industry and managers of the media keep ramping up the fury factor, the fear factor and the foreclosure factor.

It's time to set the ship up front and center and worry about real issues...food, jobs, home ownership and regulation that allowa justice, and income, for all--not just the mouthy minority.

Obama is more centrist than most would realize, or admit, because along with being decisive in global politics--he has a real concern for middle America.

George Bush Jr...never did...he spent 3 trillion dollars plus trying to find a terrorist. Obama has had to foot the bill.

Aim for the middle...


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

I agree with you Randslam. The center seems to have no voice in these matters or it just gets missed in the screaming from both sides. I truly wish that both sides would sit down and have an honest give and take on the issues especially the budget deficit. Everything needs to be on the table including the sacred cows. The GOP needs to consider raising taxes and cutting the military. The Dems need to be looking at serious cuts in entitlements.


randslam 5 years ago

I fully agree...until all of this fear factor stuff goes away...no stability for trust. Sad...once again the middle has been denied.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Maybe it will return after the 2012 election. I doubt it but hope springs eternal.


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Wil C 5 years ago from United States of America

As usual your articles are thorough and extremely informative. The sad thing is the media chose to take up the cause in Wisconsin but has since lost interest. America is being distracted by everything else in the world and our economy as the republicans seek to consolidate their power. Can anyone say Stars Wars.


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

That's true Wil C. The media flies from one big time story to another. Before the Bin-Laden killing, the only thing we heard about was Donald Trump and the Birthers. Thankfully that has completely disappeared. These things are going on in many states. Hopefully the news agencies in those states are keeping the stories alive. They are trampling over our democracy and must be stopped. We cannot allow ourselves to be beholden to these corporate titans. Thanks for commenting.


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Xenonlit 4 years ago

Wow! You wrote a magnum opus that every voter needs to read before the primary elections in January. The media is colluding on this and even liberals are colluding in a way by being vague, unspecific and therefore useless to fight the powers that be.

Voted up and awesome.


HSchneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Thank you Xenonlit. The Koch Brothers are evil and have been doing this for a long time. They kicked it up after President Obama was elected. Our liberty and democracy is on the line.


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

While I was not as well versed in the history and details of what you discuss here, it has been obvious to me for some time that the rich and powerful simply want to have it all and leave the rest of us begging for their scraps. As I write this, President Obama has just been re elected, so I'm not the only one who saw what you see. We are standing up for what is right, and we are winning. Fantastic hub!


HSchneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey Author

Absolutely, Timetraveler2. It was a great victory for the country. Otherwise there would have been a corporate takever. Thank you for your comments and kind compliment.

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