Politics and the great debate techniques of politicians and policy makers

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I should of went to Law School - Darn!

Becoming a politician, and powerful force of leadership today requires some great debating skills, or maybe a great deal of money and Washington lobbyists.

Corporate demands on society have always been the key premise, and utter purpose for such a reality, they truly have a commanding influence on us all today, as the U.S. policy makers enforce more laws, regulate them and deregulate them to maintain order, control & justice.

This is all done to keep the balance of our U.S. democracy's Government, State and Localities maintained. So in effect It's always been up to us, the people of the public, to go to the voting poles and vote for a more sound minded President, and this must be where the saying goes, "A Government that's run by the people, and for the people." come's from, and besides it being stated from off of the lips of a politicians mouth, as they read it off of the teleprompter in front of them.


Definition :


Politician - is someone who is involved in influencing public policy and decision making. (Wikipedia reference)


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Career Debate


Whether your career began as a lawyer, or public official who is well known for helping people in the community where you lived all your life, none of that matters unless your debating skills are up to par.

You could of been a judge, a actor like the 40th President Ronald Regan, or a political stunt man, no matter what being armed to the teeth with political debating skills is an imperative. As for winning that great debate, well its been proven to be the aim, and overall goal to reach in any political campaign, which can potentially catapult any candidate running for government office a sure fire position.

A political candidate being put into the top spot position and front running position with voters is a dream for most politicians with potential popularity. Now, getting people to the voting poles is another obstacle to tackle entirely, but in recent times its become as easy as making the right cyber connections on the internet, and with enough of a push could even carry them over into becoming the commander and chief, as was done with our current president Barrack Obama.

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Political Influence


This article even though it began as a sort of intro to politics will steer more towards a moment in time in my life, when I had returned from college. My uncle and I tended to have discussions all the time about life, but for some reason it would always somewhat end in a debate of sorts with much contention.

One moment in particular had occurred to me above all others as a significant one to remember, and happened after returning home, and feeling fully knowledgeable from learning of the college level chemistry engineering courses I had taken, and I'll never forget the organic chemistry debate we had. It tended to get so heated in our discussions, I thought one of us was going to blow a gasket, because me and my uncle would go at it for over 5 hours on end debating back and fourth, as if we were running for political office.



He loved lecturing me

That's me and my grandfather, the late "Archie Senior", he was one great debater for sure, and taught me the ropes without knowing, and also taught me to play a great game of chess
That's me and my grandfather, the late "Archie Senior", he was one great debater for sure, and taught me the ropes without knowing, and also taught me to play a great game of chess | Source

The Great Debaters

My becoming a debating lunatic may have also come from the fact that my granddad, and my mom were also great debater's, like U.S. senators. My entire family, on both my mom's side and fathers side enjoyed debating on various subjects, but mostly about politics, history, the economy, life in general and social issues a great deal.

My grandmother was like a congress woman, leading the families discussion table with argumentative suggestions, most democratic in nature, at times she would go much further, and as far as writing to her congress person at the time, and also to the U.S. President, letters about things she had felt needed fixing up in society, and in New York City itself. Over time she actually ran for a local government office, for the City of New York, seeking to become a counsel woman and she made it to the voting polls as well.

I learned a great deal from helping my grandmother in her campaign about how tough it really is to run one, and to get the word out about it all, by rallying the public's opinion on major pertinent, as well as relevant issues at stake.



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"The great, confident roar of American progress and growth and optimism." 40th President Ronald Regan

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Congressional Decision's

Grandma had a beautiful way of trying to win the debates lead by my grand father, my dad, and my Uncle Archie, and they always was arguing with each others on differing topics about U.S. politics of their time period, many battles ragged on and on for hours, yelling was the fun parts I do remember most. My grand father used to always watch politics on television all the time, he even went to sleep to it while the TV screen remained on, and he had also watched war documentaries all the time.

I guess this is where he got much of his researched information as fuel to feed his heated debates, my grandmother however had always watched the news a great deal on television, read news papers, and magazines all the time for the latest political stories, and I do remember President Ronald Reagan was in office way back then in the 80's. What a time it was of emotional outbursts (Dealing with Reaganomics), and I was always standing tall 6 or 7 years old, about knee high right next to my dad just listening in on everything, and learning how to debate myself the entire time like a U.S. spy on foreign territory, seeking to sniff out some much needed global intelligence on silent mode (Stealth mode).

Getting My uncle to admit that he was wrong on any instance of a single argument he put up for debate was like pulling the teeth of a hippopotamus, it just won't work out. So many years later when I myself had returned from college as a young adult we went to war with words and it was super fun, especially now that I was armed with some verbal artillery of my own, and from all the college research I had done in those 4 grueling years.


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Me and Uncle Arch going at it in hot debates

As I stated up above, our debates (Me & Uncle) grew increasingly intense over the years, and even if I was dead right about any given subject, there was no way to convince him that he was wrong. The moment I arrived from college he must of knew I was armed with some good juicy info, and much of which he had learned himself many years back, so he was ready to bring on the questions stemming to further debate, and like two lawyers going at each others throats in court, we would go at it for hours on end, but instead of debating about politics we switched channels more toward the scientific side of things. Arguing about the universe, black holes, the theory of everything, and even till today debating about the point of rest theory.

Recently though back in the year 2008 we had some major debates dealing with politics, and it reminded me of when I was a child watching my grandparents. We had a pretty radical debate over the whole fact of Barrack Obama even becoming our president of the United States, and long before he was elected. We were in agreement with certain hot subjects dealing with social issues, but divided when it came to stuff like the economy, and the state of big business.


Great debates begin with great public speaking for many politicians, and a great smile can also win the crowd as well

U.S. Politic's Today

Now, fast forwarding all the way to the present time of today September 4th 2012 (When I published the article), and judging by the political climate, the current events, elections and voting for the next president of the United States is up for grabs once again, its safe to say that things are way to chaotic to tell anything.

Well, lets see what's going to happen, only the lord knows it seems, the undeniable fact that President Obama was handed a very tough clean up job with the on going Iraq War he recently ended, and the filthy economy that utterly collapsed like a dump in the toilet bowl, upon exchange of U.S. leadership and overall authority back in 2008. I'm pretty sure that George Bush was pretty happy, to of dropped that unbearable sack of a mess onto Obama's lap, like it was a huge gigantic sack of human feces, thus freeing Bush of any and all responsibilities as it seems today to many people.

What a heavy weighted political ball to handle indeed, but he wanted the responsibility right! and whether or not he will be able to shoot another three pointer at the buzzer, to score yet another grueling 4 years as President is all up in the air as well today. "Just think though, who can do better then he didn't do, and with all the mess he has left to pass down" Yikes!!!!! we're all in for some more excruciatingly tough times, and this is my rough guess, lets just hope I'm not politically correct on that.


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billybuc 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

I'll tell you what buddy; it takes a certain kind of person to even want to go into politics. This boy ain't that type of person. I'm sure some of these people are good people, but right now I'm so soured on politicians that I can't formulate a good comment about any of them.

Loved your recollections about your relatives; thanks for sharing more about you as a person and the influences in your life.

Have a great one my good friend!

bill


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midget38 4 years ago from Singapore

Neither am I, Cloud Explorer, but your family sounds like a whole lot of fun to be around. I always love a healthy argument!! Have a great day!


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

I seriously like this hub. Very honest and thoughtful......You've done an excellent job and made this enjoyable to read....even for someone who would like very much to give her own personal definition of "Politician," but KNOW I would be banned from HP forever!! Thanks Cloud!! ...UP +++


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

@billybuc, Yeah bro I feel your pain when it come to politics, I never really wanted to debate on such subjects.

That's the main reason why I chose to lean towards the more technical and scientific side of things with my Uncle, but never lost the technique to formulate a strong argument though.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

Thanks @midget38, for your cool comment up there, we're headed for unknown territory for sure dealing with all the issues we have today, and worldwide, so lets hope things improve, and more people try to make changes in the future.


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cclitgirl 4 years ago from Western NC

So, you and your uncle debated chemical engineering!?! I want to come to your house! That's *awesome.* I love your take here, your refreshing attitude and your zest of debating. I am not a great debater myself, but I can respect those who can hold their own in an argument. Fabulous hub, CE. You're really rockin!


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rcrumple 4 years ago from Kentucky

Mike - Another strong look into your "make-up" as an individual. When debate is done properly, it can definitely be beneficial to all involved. Your Uncle, though strong in his viewpoints, obviously recognized that and presented enough "open mindedness" to listen to what you had to say. A valuable lesson taught in the ability to agree to disagree. I had been involved in school politics all during my younger years and loved them. My aspirations were to continue as a career path. Unfortunately, some of my experiences along life's path brought contempt for the participants and their actions. I made the decision that if that was what it took to succeed, I wanted no part of it. Another great career choice tossed by the wayside. lol Great hub, as always! Up & Interesting!


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

Thanks @fpherj48, it was a tough one to throw up, but I managed to pull this one off, even though it was mainly a key memory of my own life, from time to time I enjoy writing about moments that inspired me to learn stuff, and those who made it happen for me one way or another, you know.

Your secret is safe with me on that political thing, I hate politics, and that's why I took so long to even write about it on hubpages Haha!


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

Thanks @cclitgirl, it wasn't really quite chemical engineering but close to it though Hehe.

My family is full of politicians it seem, and my mother was huge on debating, as well as lecturing discussions about history, wait until I wrirte a hub about that it will be a heavy one indeed. You're to cool!


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

Thanks @rcrumple, yeah I love a good hot debate, and worded argument, I've done it a few time even on hubpages with folks, but it isn't my style here though.

I prefer to argue my point in person rather then online which is virtually futile to me, and pointless if you cannot see the persons facial expressions and all, you know.

That's the best part for me to see their face crack up into differing shapes maybe because of frustration, in anger at times, or when they seem quite perplexed by any info they have yet to learn of that you can muster up as a sort of powerful verbal & intellectual weapon of sorts, oh yeah its a fun time indeed.


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healthylife2 4 years ago from Connecticut, USA

Sounds like you got much more of an education than I did during my three years of law school. I don't miss the practice of law but do miss the fun debates. Debating keeps life exciting! I think money has more to do with the success of politicians than debating skills but just my opinion. Voted up!


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Lord De Cross 4 years ago

Mike, you make the law, we find its flaws. Politics had turbulent origins, since power meant conquering, defeating and sharing the ransom. Power is not handed down free. Is like a Saint Andreas fault, either you are on one side or the other side of the events. Your views are thought provoking, and, I'm just saying, The winner will have to endure another four years of devastating changes. Thanks Mike~


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

Thanks @healthylife2, Oh yes I enjoy arguing a point to the death of it lol, its so fun to do for sure, and especially with my great Uncle Arch, he's a wild dude to argue with.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

@Lord De Cross, I only call it how I see it bro, no speculation on my part, just what I can tell that is actually going on in reality today, and in the government, one thing I know is I love a good argument.


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Gypsy Rose Lee 4 years ago from Riga, Latvia

Great thought provoking hub. Hey, Mike I can cast a vote at the US Embassy in Riga on Election Day. Who do I vote for???? Passing this on.


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ImKarn23 4 years ago

'sound-minded president'? lol..isn't that a contradiction in terms? Your uncle taught you some valuable lessons - not the least of which is just how to...listen objectively and put your thoughts forward clearly! Political debate is in the toilet...it is a sham that i cannot tolerate to watch - as watching puts me in the toilet right along with them!

Great hub and insight into your life, sir!


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

Hey @Gypsy, yeah I know its my first attempt at writing a political hub, and the lord knows I hate politics, but I've always enjoyed arguments, and debates.

The funny thing is I watch U.S. political debates on television during the elections to learn how to speak a bit better, but for many years it wasn't pretty with some folks not having their thoughts clear and all, so I quit for a while, and recently been watching Obama's speeches a great deal to see where his mind is at pretty much.

I never favor any side though, that's just senseless to me though, but I do know it is important to vote.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

@ImKarn23, Yup you got it, none of them are sound minded LOL

All jokes aside thanks for your awesome insight here, I definitely appreciate it, and yup politics is leaning more towards the dumpsters, but on the web it gains tremendous traffic, and so lets hope this hub scores a Million, Haha! (I'm a big Dreamer, Right!)

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