President's Obama and the US Citizenship\Foreign Student Loan Myths

The Soetero Family
The Soetero Family
Indonesian school record
Indonesian school record

The far right conservatives continue the most silly attempts to discredit President Obama and the sad fact is many believe the BS because they are naive enough to believe it. Being an election year, I am most certain they will get worse. Granted, many of the items they cite are either totally untrue, partially true, or true, depending on what you elect to believe based upon your own perception and biases.

Lets look at two of them:

1. Barack Obama got Foreign Student Aid while attending Occidental College in LA from 1979-81, getting the Fulbright loan. They cite that he used his stepfather's name, Soetero, an Indonesian, whom his American mother married. The truth is that he attended the college as a Freshman using Barry Obama, and was known by this, according to the college's director. As to the Fulbright scholarship, this is does not provide funds to Indonesian Undergrad students. Since Obama is a US citizen, he would not qualify him for the loan.

2. In 1967, Obama's mother, remarried to Indonesian student in Hawaii, Lolo Soetero. Obama was in grade school and the family moved to Jakarta where he attended school. In 2007, the school Obama went released enrollment records showing his DOB and place, Honolulu, Hawaii. Since he was born in America, he is a US citizen, end of story. It is no different than a illegal crossing into Arizona and giving birth to a child in the US, even if the child spends most of their lives outside the US. Lolo Soetero, did however, falsely claim that Barack was Indonesian on the school records, probably out of fear that he would not get enrolled. Yes, the records contradict one another. In one place, it states he is Indonesian, yet in the Place of Birth section, it is Honolulu, Hawaii.

By 1971, Barack and his mom returned to Hawaii where he lived with his grand parents until leaving for college and the mom returned to Indonesia. Obviously, going to Jr. High and High School support this showing where he was born. Parents cannot renounce their children's citizenship. Obama is American as any one else born in the USA.

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TheManWithNoPants profile image

TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

I thought this issue was dead my friend. If I found out that he was born on Mars, it would be the least of my concerns with this administration. America is extremely divided when it comes to this president and his policies. This will be decided in November and no matter who wins, once the elections over, we have to get busy putting some fire under this dysfunctional Congress of ours. Both Democrats and Republicans are failing us here.

Thank you for the work you put into putting this together!

Jim


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perrya 4 years ago Author

It is a non-issue with me, but not the far right.


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vrajavala 4 years ago from Port St. Lucie

They're are diferent types of citizens. The Founding Fathers wore that only "natural born" citizens" and those who were citizens at thanking of the signing if the Costitution, were eligible to be Commander-in-Chief. Many unfortuNate people, like yourself, who are unaware that the Supreme Court gave a definition, a legally binding definition of "natural born citizen: it is one who is born of two American citizens, born on American soil. Minor v. Happersett (1875)

Obama's father was a British subject, and accordingly, Obama was born British. When he was in

Indonesia, be had to be an Indonesian citizen to attend the schools he did. Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship. That document you posted lists his citizenship as Indonesian, and his religion as Muslim.


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vrajavala 4 years ago from Port St. Lucie

BTW Here is the link for the translation of the document you posted

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/obama...


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American View 4 years ago from Plano, Texas

Perry,

To me this is a non issue, but the issue is not on Occidental College in LA, it is about the full scholarship he was given to Columbia University. This was suppose to be based on grades, which they say are poor while attending Occidental College in LA, and on the fact it was only for a foreign born student. Hence why they claim Obama used his Indonesian passport to gain entry. And of course to get an Indonesian passport, you have to be a citizen of that country. apparently one exists for Obama using a different last name.

Is all this true, who knows and at this point who cares. Let's concentrate on the issues in front of us now.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

Well, as silly as it really is, and how moot it really is at this stage, you just know the republicans and far right will raise it again.


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vrajavala 4 years ago from Port St. Lucie

This is not a moot point. If The usurper is removed by "quo warranto", which is the proper method to remove one who does not have qualifications, every bit if legislation he has signed becomes null and void. There are now four or five states that are now challenging Ibama's right to be on the ballot.. Qui warranto has been used in American history.

Judge Michael Malihi subpoenas him for an appearance in Georgia for tomorrow. I'm sorry you don't understand the ramifications of usurpation.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

I get it, but I simply do not buy into the right's assertion that Obama is not American. Many agree with both of us.


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vrajavala 4 years ago from Port St. Lucie

As I said before, there are different types if American citizens.article II section 5 states that only a natural born citizen can be Commander in Chief. As I pointed out, he is not, and never was Costitutionally qualified, because he was born British. Just Google British Nationality Act if 1948, it will fill you in.


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poetvix 4 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

In my opinion, in this technological age documents can and are tampered with. It's a non issue until such time as the courts come into play. I have to look at what his policies and practices have done since he has been elected. I think they speak for themselves, sadly, not to our, the American people's, benefit.

I do appreciate any attempt by any hubber to hub honestly and even more so appreciate one who takes the time to post supportive links.


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

I am a conservative, but I'm also the founder of the political nonprofit that is about as bipartisan as anything you can find out there. We're about busting dirty politicians, and changing that corrupt Washington game that's been going on for too long. Now that I've given my cheap plug ..

You are right, or should I say you're correct.(sorry) There IS a small percentage of people on the right who won't let this thing go. Citizen or no citizen, if something could be proved, the Republican national committee with it's power and its money would be waist deep into this. What I'm saying is this; the easiest way to beat Obama is to prove that he's not legally eligible to be president. You can bet that the Republican committee has turned this thing upside down and inside out looking for something, and the fact that they haven't made an issue out of this shows that it's a dead end road. I wish my conservative brothers and sisters would spend less time chasing this wild goose, and more time recruiting people to join them at the voting booth in November. These things are intriguing and a lot of fun to chase I guess, but we can't waste too much time and energy on it. Hey, that's just my opinion folks! At least I got my cheap plug-in. I can't drop a link and pimp our website here, but if you can get into making life tough on the creeps that are ripping us off up in Washington, drop me a Hub mail, and I'll get you a link.

"saving a nation is a very cool thing to do"

Jim


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perrya 4 years ago Author

The manwithnoppants is spot on. if obama is not American, prove it.


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vrajavala 4 years ago from Port St. Lucie

Unfortunately, the media and the politically correct elite are in control of this country. As far as "proving" that he is not American, that has already been done.

What's more, the proof is in the pudding. If he had America's interests at heart, we would not be in this mess.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

javala, are you serious? the economic bubble that burst in 08 and continues to this day were the result of policies of the republican Bush admin to some extent. These bubbles developed during the previous years to 08. Obama inherited the mess, tried to correct it, which may be no better. I do think that if Obama was truly not American, the Republican party would have proven it by now.


Craig 4 years ago

Add President Clinton to the long list of people who deserve a share of the blame for the housing bubble and bust. A recently re-exposed document shows that his administration went to ridiculous lengths to increase the national home ownership rate. It promoted paper-thin down payments and pushed for ways to get lenders to give mortgage loans to first-time buyers with shaky financing and incomes. It’s clear that the erosion of lending standards pushed prices up by increasing demand, and later it led to waves of defaults by people who never should have bought a home in the first place. However I agree President Bush continued the practices ,because they dovetailed with his Ownership Society goals, and of course Congress was strongly behind the push. But Clinton and his administration must shoulder some of the blame.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

No doubt!


Jayfort 4 years ago

Add Chris Dodd and Barney Frank to the list for the housing bubble as it was their legislation that forced lenders to loan to those who ultimately could not repay the loans. The Bush Administration tried in 2004 to investigate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and were blocked by the Democrats in Congress led by, you guessed it, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.

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