Prosecuting a War; Democrats vs. Republicans

Ever noticed how differently the prosecution of a war is treated when a Democratic President is Commander and Chief as opposed to a Republican Commander and Chief. The reaction by the press and outraged protesters is dramatically different and I for one know it’s not just coincidental.

Case in point when George Bush went to war with Iraq; Cindy Sheehan was all over the news protesting, her every move was covered including camping out in the ditch across from Bush’s Crawford Texas Ranch. The anti war mob was marching in the streets, Hillary Clinton openly mocked General David Petraeus as he testified before congress proclaiming to believe him required a willing suspension of disbelief; the New York Times even referred to General Petraeus as General Betray-us. Nancy Pelosi proclaimed the Iraq war a failure and Harry Reid proclaimed on the Senate Floor, "this war is lost"; even the Messiah himself, Barrack Hussein Obama ummhhhh-ummhh-ummh said in 2002, “I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.” A far cry from this same Leader of our present Regime thumping his chest bragging how he personally and single handedly killed Osama Bin Laden.

Now this same crowd of prior conscientious objectors continues the policies of the previous administration, those same policies which led to the location and annihilation of Osama Bin Laden. Gitmo remains open; we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan; predator drones strike at will killing Al-Qaeda targets such as Anwar al Awlaki and not a peep from the usual crowd. Where’s the ACLU; Cindy, where are you camping out these days; where are the protesters, the modern day Jane Fonda’s?

Truth is the Democrats have a dual strategy when it comes to National Defense; while a Republican occupies the White House do whatever they can to sabotage the war effort. They couldn’t have been more demonstrative in waging their anti war campaign during the Bush era; now flash forward to the present Obama Regime and complete support and capitulation; support from those same anti war Senators and Congressmen/women along with total capitulation from the media and anti war left. All politics stop at the shore my ass!

So maybe you’re thinking I am saying we may be better off from a National Defense standpoint with a Democratic Administration; not true! Remember they are only able to successfully prosecute these two wars because of the weaponry built-up during Republican Administrations; remember Reagan and his Star Wars Concept? Well because of his vision and persistence we are reaping the benefits of those systems today. Democrats always want to cut defense and waste more money on social programs which keep people permanently locked in poverty but forever dependent on Big Democratic Government!

The fact is we are not better off in a National Defense sense or any other sense with a Democrat in the White House; we are better off when people exercise Good Sense and vote Democrats out of office all together! And yes Democrats, I am challenging your Patriotism!

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Pamela99 4 years ago from United States

You make some valid points in this hub. Very interesting.


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Thanks Pamela

Your comments are especially appreciated coming froma level 8 commenter!


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breakfastpop 4 years ago

Bravo Patriot. We need to get the kind of "change" we crave in 2012 and Pres. Obama and his administration have to go back to Chicago! Anything else will destroy us.


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Thanks as always Pop


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gmwilliams 4 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

You have delineated the point exactly.


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

I wish more people would speak out regarding this issue; I for one am enraged over it.

By the way thanks for stopping in.


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sheila b. 4 years ago

It seems I've spent my whole adult life as a democrat saying just this sort of thing to friends. Most of them agree with you, but they are so afraid to vote for a republican. On the other hand, Jimmy Carter was a one-term-president...


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Shelia b.

I never had you pegged for a Democrat; guess your comments reflected too much logic. Anyway hope you can influence your pals Obama is even worse than Carter!


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SheriSapp 4 years ago from West Virginia

Patriot,

You know I LOVE this hub!! You have made some valid points here. I have also been wondering where the war protesters have gone since Barry took office. It is another example of THEIR hyper-partisanship to the detriment of our nation.


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Thanks Sheri

The silence from the war protesters is indeed deafening!


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James A Watkins 4 years ago from Chicago

You are spot on, my friend. The Left has a distinct double standard when it comes to everything, defense included. I had a Leftie here on HubPages tell me recently that Vietnam was "Nixon's War." I had to wonder just how dumb some people are. Great Hub! Thanks.


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Thanks James

There is no limit to their hypocrisy or their misunderstanding of history; Vietnam being Nixon's war; guess that best fits their lexicon!


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trimar7 4 years ago from New York

Hey Patisan - I woke up this morning - checking my email and came across this video article. Now this is taking it a bit far but I thought you'd get a chuckle.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/ad-gun-trainin...


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Trimar

Thanks for the article; I for one agree with him; why train people that want to kill you how to use the weapon with which they can committ the crime. As for not training the Obama voters; again just exercising good common sense; why train people who have demonstrated very vividly their inability to choose between Capitalism and Socialism the means to forcefully extort your wealth from you; Smart Man!!!!


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trimar7 4 years ago from New York

Now Partisan - I meant it as a chuckle - I get that we would not want to offer lessons to those who are Muslims and want to hurt Americans BUT -- Democrats who will vote for Obama - that's going way over the top. Even you can't go that far????


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

trimar

At least Muslim Jihadists are out in the open with their intentions; Democrats that vote for Obama are more dangerous because they are covert when it comes to their intentions; in my book they are even more dangerous. But I did get your intended chuckle!!!


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trimar7 4 years ago from New York

Partisan - I am glad you appreciated the chuckle but I cannot be on board with you that Democrats are "dangerous." You know my views on this as I feel I am truly Bi-partisan. This view goes against my grain of lumping groups of people together. There are good Republicans and bad Republicans. There are good Democrats and bad Democrats. I get that people are not happy with Obama, but not all Democrats have ill intentions.


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Trimar

First and foremost I would never intentionally write anything that offended you because I consider us cyber friends; having said that let me further explain my position. I do consider all Democrats “dangerous" in this sense. Many may start off with core views similar to my own; love of country, respect for individual freedom and rights and anti- Socialism pro Capitalism bias. However once in Washington they cannot resist the pressure from the far left which has hijacked their party.

To support my position I offer up the name Bart Stupak. He was a good Christian man with supposedly strong convictions yet when put under the final pressure to join Nancy Pelosi’s Light Brigade and acquiesce on Health Care he tossed his anti abortion convictions under the bus, took his 30 pieces of silver and fell into lock step with Pelosi’s Stooges!!!!

I agree there are good Republicans and bad Republicans and there are good Democrats and bad Democrats but once in Washington they lose all individualism and vote the party line. The Republican Party Line happens to mirror my views more closely than the Democratic Class Warfare- Redistribution-Tax the Rich- Something for Nothing Crowd!!!!

I honestly believe Obama is a Socialists and his Party is now being led by that far left group!


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trimar7 4 years ago from New York

Partisan - I too consider us friends and our debate is not about offending one another. Thus, I am considering this a discussion amongst friends. This friendly debate began due to the gentleman who will not train Democrats who are voting for Obama. My perspective is this is going overboard. I do not believe that just because someone votes for Obama would be less a candidate to learn to shoot a gun than anyone else. By the way, do you think that socialism is a bad word? The reason I ask is that I have a few Canadian friends who do not think they have a bad system going with their Socialistic system.


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Trimar

Sorry but my petty side is showing here; if I have a skill then I can choose whom to share it with; you have heard that old adage the friend of my friend is my friend and the enemy of my friend is my enemy; well anyone voting for Obama in my opinion is hurting me because his policies are hurting me; therefore I would not willingly share a skill with someone who is hurting me.

And yes, I do consider socialism a bad word. Your Canadian friends may very well think their system isn’t a bad system but one only has to look at Greece to see what years of Socialism yields. You can only take from the producers and redistribute to the less productive for so long until eventually the producers become less productive (ever read Atlas Shrugged) and then there becomes less and less to redistribute. Margret Thatcher said it best when she said Socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money.

It goes against the human spirit to redistribute what they produce to the less productive. Socialism never creates wealth; it just redistributes what has already been created until there becomes less and less so overall everyone’s standard of living steadily declines.


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trimar7 4 years ago from New York

Partisan - I agree with you to a point. I have mentioned that I have a dear friend whose husband was working as a nurse. My friend was working as a nurse. Now you have two hardworking nurses. He gets cancer and loses his life. She then gets MS and cannot work in her profession. They have two small children - talk about life dumping on you. Now she receives Social Security benefits, which I completely support. This is where I say we help those who are less fortunate. Okay not many people could disagree there. Now we have folks who abuse the system. I cannot abide by such abuse. However, here comes the catch 22. To stop the abuse is to block some people who really need the help as does my friend who can barely walk with a walker. So what do we do as a society. I have a good friend who cannot find work in his field of finance due to some debt that he acquired while he was out of work. Now they will not hire him because he cannot pay his debt. This, quite frankly, is where I go into my internal tennis match in my head. What do we do as a society?


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Trimar

There was a time when the world we are both looking for existed; a time when couples such as your friends were taken care of but not by the government by the community. The Government (the Obama Regime) is now trying to create a Socialist State wherein most of what we make is taxed away to be used as the government sees fit for the betterment of all. The problem with this system is twofold; those in the government charged with taking care of all of us are corrupted by the system itself and most Americans such as you and I resent the fact anyone thinks they should take care of us in the first place. I’m doing very well on my own thank you very much.

There were then and always have been safety nets; Social Security being one of them which your friend deserves. Also community organizations which exist mainly by the generosity of others; that generosity is now being threatened by this Regime. If they insist on taxing me more; the $200 per week I willingly give to my church or the untold amounts of money I place in the Salvation Army Kettles or all the other $10-$20 and $50 dollar checks I frequently write will disappear. If the Regime insists on extorting more money from me that more money will come from that which I now freely give. Plus, my money is presently doing more good because it first does not pass through some Government Bureaucracy where most of it disappears; all of it goes straight into the community organizations it was intended for!

We also always arrive back at the abuse when we discuss this issue. You say we have folks who abuse the system. I believe we most likely disagree on the extent of the abuse. I wrote several hubs wherein I pointed out Government Program Duplication; I believe we may have first met debating the School Lunch, After School and over the Weekend feed the Children Programs. If we just cut out the duplication we would eliminate 2/3 of the waste so the logical question is why don’t we cut out the waste? Well I’m glad you asked that question; we don’t eliminate the waste because the 2/3 waste/duplication is comprised of the same government Bureaucracies as the 1/3 non waste programs. You see my dear friend; Social Programs equate into Democratic supporters; to the Democrats there is no waste because all duplication equates exponentially into bureaucracies comprised of Democratic voters!!!!!

You struggle with the ultimate question; how to stop the abuse without blocking the programs that really helps those in need. The programs are not the problem; the people that abuse them and support the abuse are the problem. Wow that was so profound I amazed myself; never know what will come out of me next. But having said all that what I mean is the people not the programs are the problem; those recipients that abuse the programs should be prosecuted and those Politicians that support the abuse for votes should be voted out of office. The answer for me is plain and simple; vote Republican. Despite Obama’s claim that Republicans want to poison the air and water and throw granny over the cliff is just more Democratic BS to fool and scare the voters. I might add an alarmingly ill informed dumbed down voter! We Republicans just want our country back; the same country we discussed in the beginning of this diatrod. A country where hard work is rewarded; people that need help are given help but people that refuse to work are left to fend for themselves; also a country wherein families are responsible for their kids not government. That includes feeding, clothing and imparting their values to the next generation.

See how simple the answer is; just Vote Republican!


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trimar7 4 years ago from New York

Partisan - you do make me chuckle. I fear the Republicans as much as I fear the Democrats. While a teacher's salary is much better than it used to be, we are still not wealthy and will never be wealthy - at least not the material kind of wealth. I do contend that the Republicans favor the very wealthy.

I also fear the Democrats because you are correct in what you say about them in the respect that they run for office based on giving and helping at the expense of those who work hard for their money. I think you know by now the level of compassion I have for people but I too resent the abuse of the duplicity of the system.

Many years ago I helped my friends out and took phone calls from their tennants while they went out of town for a time. I was doing my best to help one of the tennants out with a plumbing issue. This woman started berating me and telling me she was going to call her "case worker." I thought to myself, now that is what I have needed all my life when I have encountered issues --I needed a case worker. This woman also lived with her mother in the back of the house and I knew they practically lived in the same house as they kept both doors open but by renting both apartments received double benefits. I shouldn't admit what I responded, as she really irritated me with her nasty tone and demands. But -- I will share. I replied to her, "you may call your case worker, you may call the president, you may call the calvary, but just don't call me again," and I hung up.

I swore after that I would NEVER get into real estate that involved tennants who were protected by "the system." I could share story after story that he related to me over the years about the abuse of the landlords in the city. There was such a sense of entitlement from those who lived off of working individuals. Trust me I resent the abuse as much as anyone.

I just worry about what the solution is and the people who always get it socked to them is the middle class - no matter who is in office!


Partisan Patriot 4 years ago Author

Trimar

Glad I gave you a chuckle; looking at your picture makes me smile so we’re even!

I’ll have to concede your point Republicans seem to favor the wealthy. But have you ever thought of it in this light; they do so but not in an exclusive way. By that I mean they favor but encourage all those that can to join them. You see the Republicans realize the middle class in this country was created by upward mobility not stagnation or downward mobility. As the poor move from poor to middle class some of them are able to keep going and continue to move upward. I cite Herman Cain as an example and even myself.

Not that I’m wealthy but I started as one of four sons from a Railroad family wherein the mother stayed home and took care of the children as most did in those days. As I grew and learned I took advantage of all the opportunities this wonderful country gave me; not the government. My family like so many others in those days would have rather perished than take government handouts. Long story short I went to college on an athletic scholarship; graduated; progressed through the ranks of my company and retired one of 293 out of 30,000 employees on the incentive level. That afforded me a certain standard of living which I would classify as upper middle class!

Your story regarding helping friends out by taking phone calls from their tenants is so true to life. It encapsulates what is happening on a grand scale in this country today and is presently on center stage in Greece for the entire world to see in . You give people something for nothing for so long and they come to take it for granted as AN ENTITLEMENT; you suddenly owe them something for nothing! I know you hate this about me but that my dear is the Modern Democratic Party; they bet each and every election on those entitled citizens showing up and voting them back into office. Therefore a vote for a Republican sends your message to this group of antagonists; "you may call your case worker, you may call the president, you may call the calvary, but just don't call me again"! It is time we hung up on the Democrats..

Finally and I’m sorry for being so long winded and perhaps a bit redundant; the very existence of the middle class is what’s at stake here and sorry my sweet and beautiful friend it matters greatly who’s in office. Barrack Hussein Obama Muuum-Muum-Muum has done more in less than 3 years to move millions back out of the middle class onto the poverty rolls than any other president in the history of this country. You see Republican policies create jobs and open the pathway from middle class to wealth; Democratic policies close down the pathway and force those that had escaped poverty back into poverty. They don’t call Obama the Food Stamp President for nothing!!!


BamaRabbit 4 years ago

It is so unfortunate your eloquent and lengthy post is lost at the bottom of this thread.

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