Rationalizing A Lie

A few things about rationalization and lying

Some lies are more blatant than others. Some lies are more easily discarded than others dependent on who is spinning the tale. Never-the-less a lie is still a lie no matter who is telling it. There was something I read here recently that struck me as rather odd and it had to do with a line of thinking that it's okay to tell a lie if it going to be told to insure someone's feelings aren't going to be hurt. That's definitely a form of rationalization for avoiding the truth. That form may also be easily dismissed as harmless. Whether it is or isn't we don't need to discuss here.

But I take extreme offense when the President of the United States tells a blatant lie. I also have problems with his political party perpetuating lies This Hub has illegal immigration and border security as its focus. Whether past Presidents have lied to the American public isn't a matter to be discussed here. They are all now history and we have a very consummate liar to deal with at the present. I believe that Obama is a pathological liar, and I know I'm not alone. He either actually believes his own lies or he is a master of deceit. It could be a combination of both. Maybe it has to do with if one repeats a lie often enough people will believe it?

First thing I'd like to touch on is illegal immigration and the Dream Act, which Obama is continuing to push in the form of Dick Durbin, the Progressive senior Senator from Illinois. This was shot down once before when the Democrats had the total majority but these are persistent people. This piece of legislation is bleeding over into spending reduction negotiations. If you weren't paying attention, you may have missed what was said. Durbin was the mouth piece in the saying and he said it during a debate segment with Arizona Senator John Kyl. He was bold enough to say that if the Republicans would help pass the Dream Act, which he just recently reintroduced, then the Democrats would consider agreeing to spending cuts.

The Dream Act is a lie in and of itself. That wolf in sheep's clothing is being sold as a way to grant amnesty to those "innocent" children of people brought here illegally by their parents to absorb the goodies that aren't afforded them in their parent country. Maybe those parents should have thought about the consequences of bringing them here illegally before making the move. They, like their illegal parents, are now part of the problem, not part of the solution. The act itself is as loose as a goose and allows people up to the age of 35 to just basically apply under its provisions. There is talk about registration at a community college but no requirement that one attend after registration. It also opens up the floodgate of allowing these new American citizens to bring all their extended, non-nuclear relatives across the border with a free pass. It fails to address that issue. It's a lie dressed in fancy political, compassion laced language.

So lets take it a step further since the issue of "dreaming" and the reductions necessary for our economic survival by decreasing present spending levels have nothing to do with each other unless some form of extreme rationalization is used to link the two together. There is a bill presently in the Senate to make E-Verify the law of the land. That bill isn't based in a series of lies and smoke and mirrors. E-Verify will require that employers use the system already in place that has a 97% accuracy rate of verifying anyone's status to obtain employment. So along come Obama and Durbin again and guess what they want to introduce as an amendment to this piece of legislation? If you guessed the Dream Act, then you answered the 64K dollar question. Again they want to attach the lie to anything they can possibly tie it to.

What I see going on, especially in the first case, is that Obama and his Democratic minions contention that they are going to focus on spending reductions are a bundle of lies. The US Senate, supposedly the greatest deliberative body in the world, has proposed nothing of substance in this whole debate. Obama has proposed nothing of substance either except to propose further "investment" which is Democrat speak for more spending. The GAO and CBO both sliced and diced Obama's campaign budget speech up and fed it back to him. Then to try to tie that and the Dream Act together I find abhorrent.

The next issue has to be pathological lying at its best, or maybe its worst. It has to do with border security and his speech in El Paso,. His lie about the fence tells me that he isn't at all serious about border security in the least. His parrot, Napilitano, is hard at work at perpetuating these lies too. What he is serious about is attempting to grant amnesty to illegal aliens to expand his adoring voter base. He contended that the border fence was just about a done deal. What?

The GAO just recently reported only 129 miles of approximately 2,000 miles are considered secure. The real story is that about a meager 5% of our southern border is adequately protected by a barrier/fence. Then Obama wants to turn comedian and crack funny about moats and alligators? For those stupid enough to buy his lies about the border, maybe you should take in some illegals and house and feed them. We, US taxpayers, already are figuratively speaking in many cases. What has been done by Obama and his administration is to attempt to stymie border security at any, and every, turn that it can. It wants to prosecute the state of Arizona for doing what it has failed to do - enforce the existing laws on the books. It tries to deny that it had no knowledge of Operation Gun Runner that I previously reported on. I have to actually believe that one of two things are happening. Either this administration is packed full of pathological liars or they think the American people are stupid as a box of rocks in Omaha. Again, it may be the case of both things occurring at the same time.

An examination of the Rasmussen poll recently conducted reveals that many Democrats are believing every word that spills from Obama's mouth. But never-the-less, 64% of the respondents disagree with Obama's assessment of our southern border. The guy seems to be a super Snake Oil Salesman-in-Chief to many of his adorers or either they just flat out aren't paying attention and the denial of their mistake is continuing to cloud reality.

When he told us during his second SOTUA that he wasn't going to focus on his health care fiasco any longer but rather on jobs, I knew that was a lie. He turned right around and did the opposite of what he said once again. When he told us that under his stimulus plan unemployment wouldn't rise above 8%, I knew that was a lie because government interference in the marketplace never has the effect of stimulating anything but the pocket books of special interests. When he told us that the money was going to be focused on "shovel ready" projects again I detected his lips moving. Later he sly admits that there isn't any such thing. Of course there isn't.

What is ironic, especially on blogging forums, is the repeated support I see by his Obamazoids in rationalizing his not telling the truth. They want to revisit the Bush years and blame GWB for Obama's ability to glibly tell his continuing string of lies about anything, or anyone, who opposes his ridiculous notions. What they fail to realize is that if push ever came to shove, Obama would throw them under the bus faster than he just tried to throw Israel under the bus. You can keep rationalizing all you want to as the train heads over the cliff. Then what?

Have a nice day.

As Always,

The Frog Prince


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Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Frog,

Why wouldn't Obama lie? He violates the law, breaches duty, wrecks our currency, destroys our relationships with allies, etc. All crooks lie, and they do it often.

Stu


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

FP - Very well said as always. Being a proud resident of Arizona, I took particular offense to Obama's remark about the border fence being nearly completed. But, he did have a good idea about the moat and the alligators.

However, now, because of his lies and his jokes, many think that we Arizona people are just whining, cry babies, who keep poking at Obama over nothing. After all, he said the fence was finished so it must be finished. Surely our President would not lie about such an important issue.

With this in mind I propose a challenge to all those who believe this lie about border security and the fence. There are some beautiful camping areas right along the US/Mexico border here in Arizona. I invite all those who believed the lies to come on down and camp out for a week and enjoy the great outdoors in the shade of our wonderful border fence. No guns allowed for personal protection because they are not necessary. You will of course have to clean up some of the garbage left behind by the illegal border crossers before you can pitch your tent. You may not get a great deal of sleep at night because you will be right in the path of groups as large as 100 people being led across the border by a paid coyote. And if a battle breaks out between opposing members of the drug cartels you could possibly be killed.

Oh, but I forgot, there are signs that were put up by the US Government warning you that these areas are unsafe due to drug trafficking and human smuggling. But now that the fence is completed and the areas are safe, I guess they just left the signs in place for the bad guys to use for target practice.

All of those who believed these blatant lies by our President need to come down and enjoy these ultra safe garbage dumps for yourself. Then and only then can you draw your own conclusions about these lies.


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TheGroundsquirrel 5 years ago

Such are the results of evading the consequences of reality.


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Alastar Packer 5 years ago from North Carolina

Righteous op-ed Frog. Whats really hard to believe is that anyone could believe anything bandied about by him on this matter. As an aside; this state's drivers licenses now have an em-bed of North America on them.


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drbj 5 years ago from south Florida

Just look at the most recent photos of Obumma - is his nose longer or what? Just sayin'. I noticed it after his speech about the 'borders now being safe.'


SilverGenes 5 years ago

Excellent hub, FP! I'm north of the border but gee, I'm so glad those southern borders are safe now. Maybe Obama's plan for Israel's borders will work as well! As for Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu is a consummate leader who can keep the diplomatic channels open while refusing to take up that position under the bus. With Obama as president, no worries about your northern border hehehehe ;)


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

SiverGenes - Now worries huh? Our northern border is much more porous than our southern border because it is a vast border. The problem with illegals isn't an issue with our northern border as much as it is wide open for those people Obama thinks he can appease - terrorist types.

If this thing, illegal immigration and amnesty starts cranking up again and it will, you will see the ire of the majority of Americans go to a complete boil.


SilverGenes 5 years ago

FP, I know. I was being a bit facetious. There have been weapons and nefarious people passing easily back and forth at various points along our 5000+ mile border. This is all thanks to some seriously flawed immigration policies in Canada. We'd better get on track in both our countries and fast!


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

The difference between our northern and southern borders is that the Canadian version of our border patrol makes a great effort to prevent illegal entry. Mexico actively encourages illegal entry. They even have a brochure on it!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Will - True that and they have a network on this side that tells them how to play the system when they get here.


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34th Bomb Group 5 years ago from Western New York State

I live, literally, less than 5 miles from the Canadian border and I can state with authority that the ILLEGALS that flow over our bridges are many and usually from the Eurozone and Arabia. These are the guys with money. These guys are SCARY. Many are in Federal Prison already, but God knows how many are floating around waiting to meet their virgins.

Congress just decided to take away the money from Buffalo and Rochester with which we fight these incursions. MILLIONS of dollars. Who knows where it went but it sure isn't here. I'll bet Detroit lost their's too.

Here, there is a network once they're over our Border. It starts in Toronto. Attorneys in Toronto work with Attorneys here to assure a smooth entry for these animals. While I do believe our Border Patrol works very hard to keep them out - the network they've set up is very effective and more bad guys cross here than in the South.

I do not mean to diminish the evil, rotten people that cross from Mexico with their drugs, guns and murderous intent, but Homeland Security sure doesn't give a sh11 about us. The Mexican cartels are rotten to the core and would murder your grandmother just for smiling at them, but our guys are just as, if not more dangerous.

Then they try to blame the United States for the guns and Canada for the money laundering. Maybe they should start blaming themselves for not doing their jobs.

SilverGenes sums up the problems with the Canadian policies perfectly.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

But, but , but... Obama just told everyone our borders are secure. If people believe that they might still believe in Santa, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy. This guy is as fraudulent as they come. He should be selling used cars, not pretending to act like Presidential timber.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Our government telling everyone things are OK with our borders reminds me of parents telling their children everything is OK in the middle of a hurricane. The parents know that nothing they can do will stop the hurricane, and their children are terrified. So they do what all parents would do, they lie and tell them everything is just fine.

To admit that our border situation is a shambles is not something they are willing to do, so they lie to us. Not that this makes it right, but that is what they are doing in my opinion.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I wish it was that simple Mike, but I believe the left wants the borders wide open, because they also want illegals to get driver's licenses and to register to vote at the same time! That means millions of new Democrat voters and enough to sway elections for years to come.

There's always a reason.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

OP - Looking around at the political landscape it should be obvious that our government has been lying to us for decades now. The eye of the hurricane is calm but look out as it finally passes over you.

Will - And his adorers think that is just peachy. More criminals on the voting roles is just what we need. More ignorant people is a plus to them.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Well, it is a beautiful day here in Tucson, and I guess I just lost my head there for a few minutes. I was hoping it was not all about gathering up new voters to further the crooked agenda we have seen in progress. Your right, it is just more lies like all the other lies we have been fed by this and previous administrations.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

I have been mad as hell as soon as I found out about illegals by the millions nationwide,and that was only a few years ago, I had no idea! Not screened getting more benefits than citizens living off our money we don't even have anymore, working and they get their free healthcare believe me and after voting for that man and seeing how he fooled me I have been screaming ever since. We have to do something, we really do! There is a real fear here people better see soon! We are so close to doom, we are.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Polly - I will be going more in depth tomorrow about the extortion that Obama and his minions are proposing concerning spending cuts and the Dream Act. I've been voting for 4 decades now and this is the most corrupt administration I have ever seen. I guess the depth of the corruption and out right lies are okay to many that he fooled. Thank you for not continuing the folly and admitting that you made a mistake and got sucked in by meaningless rhetoric.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Will,

Are you saying the Mexican government actually produced a brochure on how to enter the US illegally? Do you have a link containing the brochure translated into English?

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

34th Bomb Group,

If I'm not mistaken, some of the 9/11 attackers crossed into the US via Canada.

Stu


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Stu.. Will is telling you the truth. They published a brochure detailing the best routes, water locations, areas to avoid (Border Patrol), supplies to take, etc. These were handed out freely in and around the border towns.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Our borders ARE secure. Drug smugglers, slave traffickers, and terrorists are crossing our borders safely. Mission accomplished.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Old Poolman,

Have to disagree. I don't think the federal blather about the border being secure is to make us calm. It's purpose is to justify not making it more secure, so we have maximum possible illegal immigration before Obama tries to shove an amnesty down our throat. He knows the jobs crisis is going to be a major impediment to his 2012 campaign, and he needs as many votes as possible. I don't know whether he has enough chips to get the House to go along with an amnesty deal, but if he does, he'll play them.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Will - BINGO!!


34th Bomb Group 5 years ago

Stu - you are correct. Now, I couldn't tell you how many or where they entered - but Canada has to step up their emigration enforcement 'cause we get the bad ones. Once in Canada it's relatively easy to get here on some sort of Visa. God forbid we should be accused of discrimination.

Here - Buffalo - I threw 12 of 'em in jail for laundering Food Stamps. That was before 9/11 and they all owned or worked for "cousin el shabby" who owned convenience stores. The Welfare folks would take their paper food stamps to these stores where they would exchange them for cash, usually 50 cents on the dollar. The Welfare folks would use the $$$ to buy their drugs and the store owners would turn in the food stamps to the Federal Government for face value. Then they, we believe. sent the cash back to YEMEN!!

At the time we ignorant prosecutors had no idea that these animals were planning to attack us, and me, being a rather pleasant person at the time, understood their fear of deportation and thus allowed them to plead to misdemeanors so they could stay here. A felony would mean immediate deportation.

One of them had a nice house and his four kids in a good school district. I thought it odd that he'd skip out on his bail and drag his family back to Yemen, the piss pot of the world. We got his house and $50,000 cash.

They all shared the same distributor who was at all their court appearances, which I thought odd at the time. He was since arrested and is awaiting trial in Federal Court in Buffalo. He's already been locked up for a few years. You may have heard of the Lackawanna 8. He got grabbed up with them.

I no longer recognize South Buffalo which was the Irish capital of the World when I was a kid. Now? The f'n street signs are, literally, in English and Arabic. I have a problem with that...

I realize that the Mexican border is a joke. Those folks are dealing with hell on earth on their own land. Why OUR government won't do anything to fix this is obanana and the Democrat wish for more Democrats. It's pathetic. I do, however, wish the Feds hadn't pulled OUR money. I guess they figure that brutal criminals and drugs are more important than brutal criminals in nice suits with graduate degrees. These are who come over our bridges or through the forests Upstate. Up there all you have to do is walk.

"Back in the day," there were a lot of immigrants into our country who were actually called "walkovers." This was more common when the Niagara River actually froze over. Then, it was no big deal. I have ancestors who did this - I also have ancestors who came here in 1640 and I'm a "Daughter of the American Revolution." I wonder how those men would feel if they knew this phony made-up person was now our President. I think they'd come back from the dead and take him out.


Ghost32 5 years ago

Sorry, Frog. No believing in Santa--too fat, bad role model. Or the Easter Bunny; not enough chocolate eggs--some sort of discrimination, they say. And the Tooth Fairy, well, we don't even want to go there.

Plus, Obama's not honest enough to sell used cars.

On the subject of Presidential timber, he definitely qualifies as deadwood--to be cleaned out next year.

Remember in November 2012.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Fred - I have a very long memory so don't worry about me remembering what I forewarned of in 2008.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Did you know that Michele Bachmann did research on Obama before the 2008 elections, and warned Americans on MSNBC about his radical ties in Chicago? NONE of the rest of the MSM referenced the interview, and as a result, most people (voters) were in the dark. Although I don't like MSNBC, I commend them for being willing to air an opposing opinion. But how come even the conservative outlets, like FOX and the Washington Times, didn't pay to syndicate the content? We really were warned by a very credible source; Michele said on air what has been on Wikipedia for years. But the MSM ignored the warning. So Obama was able to trick the public. Like you, my memory is starting to get very long. I know this is not true of most people, but the key is that if a good point is out there, the MSM needs to OVERCOMMUNICATE. I'm not talking about propaganda, but simply making the facts heard often enough that people don't ignore them.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

stu - The reality is that the Lame Stream Media has veered far to the left and has become a cheerleader. Don't expect that to change about their Anointed One.

A lie is a lie and a pathological liar is the worst sort. They actually believe their lies and try to rationalize them.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

I know. But why didn't the conservative media syndicate this content? It could have changed the election.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - I have no plausible answer for that. Any time anything of that nature was brought up the charges of lying were forth coming. The other factor, the walking on egg factor, was that they didn't want to be charged with racism. It's ridiculous but it's there. We see it vividly today.

I provided links to the liberals and they cried "all lies" even after reading the truth. Some people don't like the truth even when it bites em in the butt.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

I know what you're saying, but Michele's message on MSNBC had nothing to do with race. She pointed out Obama's connections with socialist and communist agitators. It was an intellectual, not racial, presentation.

Michele has said nothing bad about Herman Cain, demonstrating that her points were ideological, not racial.

I think news organizations, after hearing a very major Congresswoman, who is backed up fully by a web site that's edited by all comers of any ideology (i.e., non-biased), should take warnings like this seriously. They really are not doing their job.

It really sickens me, but I get more "real" news from email and print publications from groups I belong to than TV news or MSM print media I subscribe to. Real investigative reporting is only available now from advocacy groups; the MSM has abandoned real reporting in favor of parroting purchased "factoids" from the Associated Press.

Stu


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Ms Dee 5 years ago from Texas, USA

Great commentary! I'm concerned to read today that the previous rise in states fighting for implementing laws against illegal aliens is waning, in the face of the budget fights. Also, look what happens when the POTUS pushed to take more Israeli land ... Joplin, MO pays for it. Natural disasters tend to come when the U.S. pushes Israel to pay with more land.


Harvey Stelman 5 years ago

Froggy, What do you expect from B.O. other than a lie. By the way, Hub wants me to edit my article about Jews being ignorant about politics. To anyone reading this, I am Jewish! They told me too much of the information was copied from other Hubs. I wrote it from my head. Who thinks exactly like me?

I wrote them, but haven't heard back. H


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Harvey - Good luck with hearing back.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

If I criticize a human, would that be too controverial? After all, I'm a human. So I think I have license.


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dahoglund 5 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

What struck me as odd about the "dream act" is that being a student would qualify one for amnesty. Is there a logic to that? A four year hitch in the military might be od providing it was honorable service.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

dahoglund - In fact there are green card holders who enlist in the military as a means of having a pathway to citizens legitimately. Notice I said "green card" and not illegal.

If they want to legally immigrate they can go back across the border, make application and wait their turn just like anyone else.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hey Frog,

Another issue besides illiegal immigration and amnesties. What about H1-B visa abuse, and the visa lottery? It is estimated that over 1,000,000 people enter the US legally through these prgrams every year, but without adequate checks to make sure that unemployed Americans aren't being cheated out of jobs, and that applicants from terror exporting countries are peaceful.

Despite what DHS Secretary Napolidumdum says, our physical and legal border is like swiss cheese. The only reason we are not doing better is because the administration doesn't want to do better.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - I hope Obama ignores the lessons from recent past history on this issue and pursues it in his usual arrogant way. So far he is making progress in making a fool out of himself on this hot potato. The American public isn't receptive to this at all.

They couldn't get the Dream Act passed with a majority in both Houses. That tells you something.

TFP


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Frog,

Agree on continued stupidity, except to the extent the country gets harmed further.

The Dream Act results show the power of citizen activism. All those emails and petitions scared Congress in regard to reelection. That's why I write Congress so often.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - Everyone needs to write their elected officials in DC and stick on them like stinks on doo-doo. It works though many people think they aren't being heard. If you don't write, fax and call then you aren't being heard.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

I totally agree. While the letters and emails may not be read in their entirety, I suspect staffers probably keep pro/con tallies on each issue, so the incumbents know how to whore themselves when votes come up.

Stu


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Dave Mathews 5 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

It matters not who the one lying is.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Dave - A liar is a liar no matter which way you slice it or dice it. It is a tag that many consider to be honorable in public service at this time. That's a discomforting thought in itself.


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Dave Mathews 5 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Politicians, Lawyers, Police Officers, Policing Agencies, Government representatives and agencies,people in these fields are all trained to lie as a matter of course. They wouldn't recognize the truth if it slapped them in the face or tripped over it.

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