Realville vs. Nirvana

Some of you will remember a few months back I entered into a spirited debate with a chap across the pond in a hub I entitled Inside the Mind of a Socialists; well once again I am debating a pseudo conservative whom I will not name and feel the results thereof are deserving of publication in a separate hub. I have entitled this hub Realville vs. Nirvana because his take on life seems to be if we somehow modify Capitalism wherein CEO salaries are made proportionate to the workers’ salaries things would be better. I of course invite him onto this site to express his own views but until that time I have enumerated below a synopsis of our points of contention.

We actually opened in agreement, business in general needs to speak out collectively in as plain and simple language as possible the reason they are not hiring. Unfortunately the business world has been very clear in making this point known all too well by their actions but have said little as far as a collective effort to vocalize what’s wrong. The only way the message will resonate throughout America is if business collectively called a news conference and enumerated for the main stream media just exactly why they aren’t hiring. That’s the only way the majority of Americans will ever understand what’s behind this problem. Those of us that stay informed are preaching to the choir here on Hub Pages and the likes; it’s the main stream media that keeps protecting this Regime and keeping the public in the dark just as they did when they ran with the latest Democratic Talking Point following the S and P’s credit downgrade referring to it as the TEA PARTY DOWNGRADE!

I contend Business will not vocalize their objections to this Regimes Policies because they are afraid of it just as business is afraid of all Socialists Regimes!

We continued in agreement regarding the sea of endless regulation and taxation imposed by this regime as the major impetus that stands in the way of hiring. However our agreement stopped there; from that point on he began attacking CEOs accusing them of being overpaid. I contend what CEO’s are paid is none of his nor anyone else’s business; if the company is prosperous then what they pay their CEO is their business; that’s what Capitalism is all about!

From there the disagreement continued as he accused Companies of moving overseas to avoid paying higher wages wherein they continued to willingly escalate the salaries of their CEO’s without hesitation; his contention was their argument was paradoxical. Again that old proverbial nerve was struck and I went off. Companies will bring their factories back to our own shores when and only when it’s profitable to do so. As long as we have a Socialist Regime in power look for more companies to flee the Taxation and over Regulation! I don’t blame them; if I were a CEO I would be looking to relocate!

Next the conversation took the predictable turn towards buying American made over non-American made. OK here is where I may lose some of you but I wouldn’t drive a General Motors Car if they gave it to me and paid for the gas. When His Majesty bailed out the UAW by saving their contracts with GM while stiffing the true investors in the company that did it for me. Never again another GM Car! You cannot have a government body dictating how things should go in a free market system but what this Regime has imposed over the past almost 3 years now is anything but a free market system. This is pure unmitigated Socialism; Cap and Trade implemented through the EPA; Obama Care rammed down our throat and look out for CARD Check; Obama is losing the unions so he’s got to capitulate. He won’t be able to pass it because of the Republican controlled House but he’ll circumvent congress as he did with Cap and Trade and use the Department of Labor to implement it!

In conclusion we agreed on so much but are diametrically opposed with our assessment of what brought us to this point. HE contends it looked like we were prospering and growing while wages were going down, benefits were being reduced, and the only thing that TRULY rose during these great economic times were CEO salaries and the average American's debt to income ratio. I contend that’s what Capitalism is all about; those that take risk; put in long hours; rise through the corporate ranks or invest in their own ideas should be rewarded. Those that play it safe, work the nine to five jobs with weekends off should not reap the same benefits those that take the risk and invest more of themselves do!!!!!!!!

More to come in chapter II; Realville vs. Nirvana


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

PP - I remember well your hub debating with the socialist from across the pond. Anyone who has not had the pleasure should look it up and read it. That was without a doubt the most interesting comments section I have ever followed. We seem to think alike regarding Capitalism vs Socialism. This subject seems to draw some very hostile comments, and I would have to guess you will get your share with this hub. I just can't understand the mentality of anyone who would prefer living under Socialism. Your right, what a CEO is paid is nobody's business except for the owners of the company and of course the stock holders may have something to say about it. It is only when the government hands out money that CEO's get paid big bucks and bonuses for driving a company into the ground.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Old Poolguy

I knew you would be among the first to comment here; you were among my most ardent supporters with my Inside the Mind of a Socialists Hub. Thanks for the renewed support!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

OK fellow hubbers, where are you? My friend Partisan Patriot writes some truly great hubs, this being one of them. You really need to read some of his work and you will see what I am referring to. The back and forth hub with the liberal gentleman from across the pond was done with style and grace, and no name calling or insults. It was indeed a good learning tool for me, and an example of class on both sides. Let's give this guy some support for his work.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

For those who did not read the hub I described in my comment above, here is the link.

http://hubpages.com/politics/PointCounterPoint...


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Thanks again Old Pool Guy for your support.


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

You make too much sense for some people who are closet socialists who would like to take from the rich every chance they get. The MSM is a lost cause and so are the kind of people you describe.


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SheriSapp 5 years ago from West Virginia

Patriot,

I admire you for even trying to open the eyes much less the minds of theose who are still foolish enough to support the WORST president ever. Really, this idiot makes Carter almost seem competent!!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

SheriSapp, glad you put in that word "almost" before the word competent when it comes to Carter.


partisan patriot 5 years ago

Pop

You would be surprised at who this is; one of your regular contributors; usually with positive comments. It seems he/she just can’t get past that CEO thing which frankly infuriates me. He/she has fallen for the Socialists Class Envy Argument, at least where this issue is concerned.

As for the MSM the only way to deal with them is stop watching which I have done a long time ago!


partisan patriot 5 years ago

Sheri

I don’t think this person is a supporter of the so called president; the thing that upsets me as I opined to our good friend Pop, is their insistence on slamming the CEO’s. I am not nor ever was a CEO but it infuriates me when anyone tries to impose a limit on what someone else should earn. Especially when the cage their argument under the guise of proportionality between the company’s scheduled workers (those that agree to do a certain job for a certain wage for certain hours on certain days) whether these workers be union or non union.


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sheila b. 5 years ago

All in all, it seems your opponent is trying to apply a marxist sentiment with his idea. Sure, CEO's make a lot of money, and we all have to wonder if they really earn it, but so it is, that's up to the corporations and their shareholders, isn't it? Why is it these marxist communists believe government will do such a better job than private business has done? That's what's so stupid about marxists.


partisan patriot 5 years ago

The reason Marxist resent CEO salaries is precisely because they are Marxist; FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY (oooooooooooh i hate those greedy CEO's) TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR NEED ( yeah gimme gimme gimme all yo money)


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wba108@yahoo.com 5 years ago from upstate, NY

patriot- Its a comfort to know there is still some common sense left on this planet- It gives me hope! Thank you for pointing out what American's should have learned in grade school: who care's how sucessful our neighbor is and what business is it of ours! It's always the same old story from the immature and misguided left! Thanks for sharing your important insights- WBA


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

Just wanted you to know that when I clicked on this hub again I was informed I was no longer following you. Something evil lurks about!!


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wba108@yahoo.com 5 years ago from upstate, NY

Pop- I wonder what could have happened? Hubpages have had some website issues lately maybe that's it! Thanks for informing me.-WBA


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

WBA

I gotta believe there is enough common sense left in this country to throw out this Socialist Regime come next November; however it will be a struggle because the MSM isn't willing to admit they made this huge mistake backing Barrack Hussein Obama to the extent they did so they will launch a full scall-all out attack on his opposition.

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