Right-winger: Who are YOU Calling Anti-American

Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin


American:of or pertaining to the United States of America or its inhabitants: an American citizen

Rightwinger:Conservative squared: not to include people who are just right of center

It has to be great to live in a country where the term 'treason' is narrowly defined. The design and wisdom of the Founding Fathers are in the details, they wanting to ensure that the term could not be slung around by tyrants looking for any excuse to repress dissent. The Constitution, when referring to treason, clearly defines what true anti-Americanism is. It is something that you do not something that you are .However , the term “Anti-American” is one of those weasel words having a separate and distinct meaning that seem to exist exclusively within the lexicon of the Right-winger. When I call on one of them for a definition, it is like trying to nail jello to the wall. It is, you know,’ je ne cest’t quoi’. It has got to be part and parcel of that ‘red meat’ that their proponents like to throw to their adoring minions.

The very nature of the term Anti-American is divisive. This term has come up a great deal since the election of President Obama, I wonder why? No one has ever referred to G.W Bush as Anti-American or even Bill Clinton. I have already provided a definition for American. Do not all the three men mentioned fit the description? Sorry, but many of us in the minority community consider the term a code word and racist one at that. As the Doyle character, Sherlock Holmes said, when you eliminate the likely and probable explanation all that is left are the unlikely and improbable, and it through a painstaking process of elimination, must be true. I, having been born in the United States as was Barack Obama, am a citizen. I vote and pay taxes like he does, so what is Anti-American about that? So which one among the current Chief Executive and previous ones are guilty of treason?

It certainly is not the progressive that seems to feed on this hysteria. Observing their current pattern, it was probably rightwing pinheads that were responsible for the Salem Witchcraft Trials of the late 17th century. Let’s move forward in time to the America of the 1840’s. Perhaps many of you have heard of the Know-Nothing Party, built on the fears by Anglo-Saxons Protestants that they were of being overwhelmed by Irish and Germans Catholics, the first among all the Nativist movements of the 19th and 20th centuries in America. Interesting, when a Know-Nothing member was asked about his activities he was to reply ‘I know nothing’. Yes, they knew nothing, alright, reminds me of Sergeant Shultz of the 1960’s TV comedy, Hogan’s Heroes. Whenever there were retrograde attitudes and beliefs to be found, you can bet that the Right-wingers were at its heart, and it doesn’t matter what century is being discussed. They are the natural fomenters of intolerance and bigotry and the very antithesis of reason. They are the impediment to a more peaceful and evolved human family. The Nativist fever rose to a tempo again during the late 19th and early 20th centuries over immigration of Asians, Southern and Eastern Europeans, never mind the fact that those that were so unwelcoming may well have been only a generation or two removed from the boats themselves. So let us focus, what about the hysteria during the period from after the Second World War through the 1950’s? The next label for the Anti-American was Communist or Communist sympathizer. We had congressional hearings, witch hunts, harassment of people for their innocent associations. Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin wanted us all to believe that Anti-American was whatever fit his definition. A brute of a man, his existence was a stain on American political history that will never be expunged. Civil rights advocates, labor union advocates, those that promote a less belligerent foreign policy and the list goes on, were labeled “Communist”. Since they were all Communist sympathizers, they were also Anti-American. This is a classic model of tyranny in action. Careers were ruined and good people were brought under scrutiny when it certainly was not justified. Now, the rightwing revisionists, Ann Coulter and the misguided ones want to rewrite history and make a hero of this brute, Joe McCarthy. So, Right-winger, tell me true, if I oppose this form of harassment of American citizens am I Anti-American? Maybe, to avoid being labeled Anti-American, I just have to agree with YOU.

So, to bring us up to the current time, the Right-winger accuses the President of being Anti-American, is that because he is non-Anglo in the classic sense and comes from Hawaii? Looking at other considerations, I don’t see any other explanation. This link might pain many of you, but if the shoe fits, you had better go and put it on. http://blog.buzzflash.com/contributors/1755 .

How much of “you” did you find in the content of that link?

Right-wingers are world renown for their double speak, double standards and glaring hypocrisy, let us just take a look at their heroes and see just how true blue THEY are…..

Sarah Palin

Sarah Palin got caught with her foot in her mouth when she said during Oct 2008, that certain regions of the country were un-American. Small towns, according to her, were the true America. I guess that I am supposed to believe that the rest of the country was chopped liver? She later apologized in all fairness, but it is pretty hard not to see what the original intent of that statement was. She refers to the idea of our “taking the country back”, another rightwing code word, perhaps. Take the country back from whom? The people elected Barack Obama president, so who is the “other”, obviously not “the people” that Palin wants to take the country back from? See the excerpt below.

It's untrue that Palin has no foreign policy experience, anyway. In fact, she appears to have seriously flirted with the idea of trying to turn Alaska into a foreign country. How many vice presidential candidates can put that on their resumes?Over the years, Palin has actively courted the Alaska Independence Party, or AIP, an organization that supports Alaskan secession from the U.S. To be clear, we're not necessarily talking about friendly secession either: As the AIP's founder, Joe Vogler, told an interviewer in 1991: "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. ... And I won't be buried under their damn flag (Courtesy LA Times, October 2008).

Sounds pretty anti-American to me, how is it that she gets a free pass? The Right-wingers’ diatribe against Obama pales in comparison to this outrage from ‘Miss I can see Russia from my bedroom window’. This is not presidential or any other sort of valuable timber, but particle board.

Michele Bachmann

Representative Michelle Bachmann, another tosser of red meat to the rightwinger, has stated the following, provided through the courtesy of the Washington Post

I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?" she told host Chris Matthews.

There is that term again, sounds a lot like the witch hunts of the 1950’s. I just as well dig up Joe McCarthy’s rotten corpse to revisit all of this again. All this from the woman who invented the lie and the misrepresentation, who does she think she is? She is divisive and a hypocrite, all the details of which could fill the content of a separate article. This person is running for president” I would be very, very concerned.

Rick Perry

Then of course this would not be complete without giving mention to the Right-winger’s stronger standard bearer, Governor Rick Perry of Texas. Please read the excerpt below.

Perry called his supporters patriots. Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that.

"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." (Courtesy Associated Press)

Any physician will tell you about the danger of opening old wounds. While the Right-winger questions Obama Americanism based upon where he went to church, the Right-winger advocates, themselves, flout with open treason. The only thing that Washington is ‘thumbing its nose at’ is at Perry and co-conspirators’ disgusting rightwing point of view. I elected Obama to resist just such influence. Why would any responsible leader on the public stage even mention seccession just because they are at odds with the current administration? This does not sound very pro-American to me. This is not anybody that is fit to be my leader!


The rightwing community is made up of shamelessly self promoting leaders and their feeble minded followers. Vigilence is necessary from all that hope to maintain a harmonious and cohesive union against those that through their actions hope to destroy it, while telling everyone else otherwise. So, I challenge the Right-winger to define Anti-American. Have you got any explanation that will hold water? I am patiently waiting and am more than anxious to have YOU educate all of us.

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A good Comparison of then and now, not very different is it? Well the fact is a lot of folks in this country feel the same as the fanatics and as you have seen they would rather see the U.S.A. be no more than let someone they think is not one of "them" be in charge. I'm sure Perry and Bachmann have been instructed by the divine to save this country, no matter what. What a ticket "PERRY / BACHMANN", can't lose. I will no longer be an "American" if that happens.


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HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

Right wingers, who now make up almost the entire Republican party, feel their views are the only legitimate views. They uphold the Constitution and no one else does. President Obama's ascendancy to office accelerated this. His race accelerated this. They scream to the rafters that race has nothing to do with this. They are lying to themselves and us. They want to take back their country. I still do not know when it was lost to them. We still had elections in 2010 which they won. The 2012 election will still take place. Now Rick Perry has decided to take up this banner and run to the Right of everybody. Our politics has become so hateful and ignorant. It despairs me. This all began with the late Lee Atwater who ran the 1988 George H. W. Bush's Presidential campaign. Karl Rove learned from him and we now have a permanent politics of dividing. Excellent Hub Credence2.

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mib56789 5 years ago

Yeah yeah, history repeats itself and all that jazz. That's why I keep saying it's "We the People". Our country has an ugly history, scarred with ignorance and hatred. That's true. But we're free. I have faith in Americans. We can all talk a good game. We have freedom of speech to do so. But saying it and doing it are two different things. So the goal for every American, no matter what year it is, is to STAY FREE! Right, left, rich, poor, black, white - we all understand that concept. Some folks say it's money that running this country. I don't buy that. "We the People" are in charge of ourselves. I believe, no matter what I hear or see, that we are all united to protect our freedom. Furthermore, we recognize when someone is trying to take our freedom away from US! So folks are out there flapping their lips talking trash. Not all of them. Somewhere in all of that garbage there is a voice of reason. I'm one American. If I can FLUSH and FILTER garbage coming out of people's mouths and get to the heart of the matter to know what an individual truly represents, and that they don't represent "We the People", so can any other American. What every American needs to know is that the fight to win our freedom did not end on July 4, 1776. It is an ongoing struggle.

So. Do I talk a good game? Or do I really mean what I say?

Can you tell?

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Justsilvie 5 years ago

Excellent Hub Creedence!

After spending the day reading some of the politcal hubs that on here that are so far right wing they make you want to goosestep through them I can only say, who are these people?

I mean I don't know anyone like them, or does the anonymity of the web just harbor the Mr. Hyde’s among us?

I mean do they greet us with a smile in the morning in the employees parking lot, or chat with us in the super market line, or during a PTA meeting and have all of the normal daily contact with people to then go home and sit behind their computer and let the hate they must be feeling all along spew out like an uncapped oil well.

The words patriot and anti American must really be code words these days, because I really have no clue what they mean other than “You are not like me”.

Anyways feel lucky you have chosen Paradise to live out your life in, because the Mainland is feeling really scary.

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Gosh, Peter a Perry/Bachmann ticket, now that is a nightmare ticket if I have ever heard of one. As you say, if such occurs you would probably be better off remaining in your ex-pat status. At that point we will all be at each others throats... As always thanks for reading and providing comment.

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

As always H.S. I always appreciate your feedback..

The fact that they believe that they are the only legitimate voice is the arrogance and therein lies the danger. So much for the post-racial era, we instead see bigotry focused as a magnifying glass with light, to a fine point with devastating results. Very discouraging, indeed. Just a generation ago, this type of contention between groups was unimaginable, rather than becoming more enlightened the baser instincts are at the forefront and we are moving backwards. What is most distressing is simply the number of people that get on board, are we all so mallable?

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Sunny2o0o 5 years ago from USA

A very good Hub and an interesting read. Now why can't the rest of the country be this sane? Is that really too much to ask?

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hello, MIB, thanks for reading and commenting.

I too, have faith in Americans that keep their eyes open being aware that there are malevolent forces out there that are more than willing to take that freedom away from you. They say that freedom isn't free, well that true in foreign affairs and domestically. What makes you think that the causes of all the ugly history can't rear its head again? One man's freedom may well involve the slavery of another, none of this is new. "We the People" is an ideal that we all want to attain to, but as we have oftentimes seen the ideal and the reality are oftentimes far apart.

You said:If I can FLUSH and FILTER garbage coming out of people's mouths and get to the heart of the matter to know what an individual truly represents, and that they don't represent "We the People", so can any other American

I say:

You would be surprised how easily people can be misled, history attests to that as well, inspite of all good intentions. Hitler moved millions with that smooth tongue of his....Tyranny always disguises itself as something else and the unsuspecting make for the easiest pickings.

You said: What every American needs to know is that the fight to win our freedom did not end on July 4, 1776. It is an ongoing struggle.

I say: that I am afraid that there are far too many Americans who don't know or have forgotten or are distracted to realize what is going on around them.

you said:

So. Do I talk a good game? Or do I really mean what I say?

Can you tell?

Yes, you talk a good game, but as a sentient and politically aware human being, I am keenly aware of the difference between mere lip service and actions that need to raise a red flag among us. And MIB, there a lot of folks out here that cannot tell the difference between you know what and shinola....

We will talk again Cred2

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, Justsilvie, so kind of you to read and comment

These people are unscrupulous, wanting to take away your choice and control your very life through their wealth and lust for power. I guess they are not nice guys..

Most of the people that follow along are neither wealthy or powerful, but are just willing dupes hoping that through their loyalty to the unscrupulous a crum or two can come to them from his table of bounty. Believe me, there seems to be plenty of this sort. They are in all walks of life and harbor anxiety and resentment that is barely concealed when in public.

You said it Justsilvie, "You are not like me" that is main theme and how the most loathsome tyrants create the resentment among the populace needed to obtain tacit permission to take control to take these peoples' bogey men away. As during the Third Reich, Ethnic German vs

everybody else, it is old as the pyramids and still quite effective.

While I miss some of the conveniences of living on the mainland, it is all a trade off and you determine what it is that you miss the least. If I did not have a computer and a consumming interest in political affairs, I would literally forget the day of the week and the date. It is quite easy, believe me. This island may well prove to be our sanctuary and we will be grateful that we have chose to live here.

As always JS, thanks for your imput, Cred2

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Sunny, it is nice to see you, thanks for your imput. as for whether the rest of the society can find sanity, I am becoming increasingly pessimistic. Over the ages, we have seen the results of fanaticism and the tragic results, but never seem to learn its lessons or warning signs.... Best regards, Cred2

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James A Watkins 5 years ago from Chicago

There is more anti-Americanism among Americans today than ever before and plenty of evidence exists of this right here on HubPages. Anti-Americanism is taught in our public schools, dominates our universities, and is the lens through which most of our media sees the world. Anti-Capitalists are anti-American. Anti-Christ is anti-American. Multiculturalism is anti-American. Socialism is anti-American.

The church Obama attended for twenty years is certainly anti-American—that's why he says he doesn't remember the sermons.

They most intolerant people in America are those who preach tolerance.

You are mistaken that right-wingers use doublespeak—the Left invented doublespeak and are the undisputed masters of it. See Herbert Marcuse or Saul Alinsky.

Rightwingers are far more susceptible to charges of hypocrisy, of course, because if you are a moral relativist that claims no objective set of values then you cannot be a hypocrite. Only by having standards, which you fall short of, can you be a hypocrite.

Rightwingers are not feeble minded, leftwingers are. To be "broad-minded" is simply to be lazy intellectually. It means you cannot grasp right from wrong and even if you do you lack the guts to say so. That is feeble minded.

Joseph McCarthey was not a good person but he was absolutely right that Communists had infiltrated our government and wanted to overthrow it and were spying for the Soviets even in our nuclear programs.

Most of the founders of labor unions were communist sympathizers. After all, "workers of the world unite" is a Marxist slogan.

You demonize conservatives while tossing around the most insulting adjectives to describe them and yet wonder why we do not have a "harmonious union." 40 percent of American identify themselves as conservative—20 percent as liberals. Progressive agitators have created the disharmony in our land—not those with traditional American values, who are only playing defense.

Someone who writes "Our country has an ugly history, scarred with ignorance and hatred" is anti-American. America has the greatest history of any nation in the history of the world—though all nations are flawed because all people are flawed.

Anti-Americanism is built on ingratitude, envy, and covetousness. How can anyone be so ungrateful to have been born an American? They envy people more successful than they are and covet the possessions other people have earned that they haven't.

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mib56789 5 years ago

Hi Creadence2. Just a quickie.

I used to work for the federal gov't. A lot of people don't have any respect for civil servants. But I will tell for a fact, there are a lot of unsung heroes. They're a part of the "people" that I have faith in.

I don't think the masses are misled. You just need a group a small group to instigate a riot. I can't read minds but I'll just bet since many knew that death could happen to them for opposing Hitler they pretended to agree. I seem to remember a historical documentary that said he wasn't really the people's choice. He put himself in the position anyway. Terrorizing the masses won't work in the USA. "We the People" don't respond to being terrorized by submitting and letting the bad guy (or doll) have his (or her) way. We're free and we aim to stay that way.

I mean what I say. It's "We the People". And you're one of the "people". Are you only writing these HUBs because you only care yourself or is it because you love America? You're definitely not just talking a good game. You mean what you say.

Finally, I believe Americans are intelligent enough to FLUSH and FILTER. I have often used public transportation to get back and forth. I sat quietly riding from point A to point B and listened to the AACs. AAC=Average American citizen. These are folks who sweep streets or work at McDonald's for a living. Supposedly uneducated. They are informed. They are not ignorant. And they got ideas about how the country should be run. You should hear some of the discussions. I have faith in the American people.

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

James, thanks for the comment, you are a ballsy fellow for stepping in the lions den like this. Your comments were compelling enough for me to write a hub in rebuttal for you and your allies.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, MIB, you know that as an employee of the Federal Government you worked hard and put in a full days work for a full days pay, I did. So how is it that these people are the brunt of all this vitrol. How easily truth can be distorted by those that have an ax to grind. Because of all the stench, what do you think that the people we served think of us? Interesting to note how easy it is to put forth the lie and disseminate it.

No, MIB during the time of the Third Reich, the German people were enablers, Hitler could not possibly have gotten as far as he did without their consent and acquiescence. Hitler used the democratic process in post WWI Germany to dispense with it, once in power.

You don't have terrorize masses with guns, you can do it by threatening their Social Security, union busting, a advocating laws that restrict the choices of people when the decision belongs to them. That is a form of terror that is in play here. The people that employ this kind of terror is getting a better grip on who to manipulate to work against their own advantage. I write these hubs because I am passionate about the topic and love America, I certainly am not doing it for the money!

Socio-economic status does not necessarily correlate with being in the know. I just hope as you do that people will recognize the serpent for what it is no matter how it is disguised. I applaud your optimism, I just wish I could share it.... Thanks MIB for sharing your opinion.

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mib56789 5 years ago

Yep Credence2. Your third paragraph hit the nail on the head. It is about about our freedom. The irony is we're fighting wars in other countries supposedly to help other people be free.

Hitler lied. What can I say? When people lie you get misled. But there those within who when they realized he wasn't who he said he was tried to get him out of there. Once again "the people" rose up.

It is not just not that easy to bully the "American spirit". I believe the American people have great hearts and they value their freedom. They're not so stupid they can't recognize when others are trying to shackle them with chains, figuratively speaking. When they get to the heart of the matter they take action. This is why I don't believe money runs the country. "We the people" run this country. Our leaders lead US if we let them!

Our freedom is also our weapon we fight with.

Heather 5 years ago

I am a fiscal conservative who is furious with most the Republican party. I find both political sides polarize American and are the "true" anti-Americans because they seek their goals but don't take in account any data that might disagree with their own views. It's easy for people to follow what they are comfortable with, even if there are things that don't ring true.

As long as both name call and spin, can we have any change? I suggest term limits for career politicians as a start.

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Texasbeta 5 years ago

Ah - and JM comes to the board, one of the sickest people on here. Let's address:

"There is more anti-Americanism among Americans today than ever before" - based upon what? You can't prove or quantify how much anti-Americanism there is today, much less what exactly qualifies. You feel you can because you are egocentric, and simple minded.

"...and plenty of evidence exists of this right here on HubPages." - In the past, they didn't have hubpages or another comparable forum, so again, you are making stuff up, not using logic, and acting like a dishonest child.

"...Anti-Americanism is taught in our public schools, dominates our universities, and is the lens through which most of our media sees the world." - Based upon what stats? Where? In what school districts and Universities? You cannot quantify this statement, thus making it false. Further, you cannot determine WHAT is anti-American. I find you anti-American.

"There is more anti-Americanism among Americans today than ever before and plenty of evidence exists of this right here on HubPages. Anti-Americanism is taught in our public schools, dominates our universities, and is the lens through which most of our media sees the world. Anti-Capitalists are anti-American. Anti-Christ is anti-American. Multiculturalism is anti-American. Socialism is anti-American."

Broken down:

"Anti-Capitalists are anti-American. Anti-Christ is anti-American. Multiculturalism is anti-American. Socialism is anti-American."

- To what form qualifies as an anti-capitalist? Does anyone who supports any regulation qualify as one? So, someone who doesn't want to allow the selling of slaves, of children into sex slavery or nuclear weapons, are they anti-capitalism and anti-American? There is a market. So? Forbidding such things is enacting regulation upon the market.

Anti-Christ? To my knowledge, the antiChrist is a mythical person, so you are essentially calling Papa Smurf anti-American. You are just being ignorant on this one.

Multiculturalism is anti-American? Do you know how this country was formed? Do you think we all just sprouted out of the trees? Do you play with your own feces? Are you one of those guys?

This is one of the most ridiculous statements ever made. We are, by definition, created by multiculturalism. That defines our creation as a nation.

The church Obama went to criticized America, for things like slavery. Are you claiming that acknowledging the horrors of slavery and elements of our nation's history is anti-American? THEN, by definition, you would think that criticizing our nation is anti-American, and thus you and your entire Tea Party lot are anti-American, by your definition. Oh, is it just the stuff you don't like? Are you the gatekeeper? Watkins, you are a joke, a disgrace to this country. You aren't even worth going forward and analyzing the rest of your post. Disgusting.

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mib56789 5 years ago

With respect Credence2 - RE: Texasbeta.

Texabeta sir. Your response should be a series of HUBs.

Here is the fact:

All the true Americans are in Texas. JEB BUSH 2012.

- He only went to Florida to be governor cause his daddy made him go there. (Smile!)

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, MIB You said,"Hitler lied. What can I say? When people lie you get misled. But there those within who when they realized he wasn't who he said he was tried to get him out of there. Once again "the people" rose up"

oh yes, he did lie, he had the people eating out his hands from promises he did not intend to keep. History says that they, the people, did not in any meaningful numbers try to remove him but supported him in his war making plans through the 1930's. It wasn't the people that removed him but the military activity of the allied armies. A terrible price to pay for allowing oneself to misled.

"We the people" run this country. Our leaders lead US if we let them!

I just hope too many of us are not resigned to "just let them'

Thanks, Cred2

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Heather, thanks for reading and commenting. I think the idea of term limits may prevent so many public servants from attempting to build empires at the taxpayers expense. The shouting is coming from both sides, but the lack of cooperation and the loudest shouting is coming from the political right, thus the need for me to write this article. Kind regards, Cred2

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hi, Texasbeta, the first progressive breath of fresh air from Texas! I have seen you around to hubs and look forward to reading some of your work and would like to join your team. Yes, James has found me! The rebuttal to James comment is found


See if you like it.... Regards Cred2

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Texasbeta 5 years ago

Cred - thanks for the vote of confidence. I appreciate it.

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Texasbeta 5 years ago

Cred - thanks for the vote of confidence. I appreciate it.

niall.tubbs 5 years ago

Credence2: Your hub had to be said,well reasoned!

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thank you niall.tubbs for your gracious comment.Cred2

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mib56789 5 years ago

Thank you too Credence2. Don't you think the HUBpages folks show we won't just let them? "The people" are responding. I hate to sound like I'm plagiarizing Mitt Romney but "the military" are "the people" my friend. They rose up as citizens who happened to also be soldiers. That's my take.

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trainman2 5 years ago from Ohio

One of the great things about America is that we are free to disagree. But agreeing or disagreeing only work with opinions, not facts.

Mr. Watkins has the best handle on who Joe McCarthy really was, and why he did what he did. McCarthy certainly went over the top, but he lived in a time that was far more dangerous than today, and communism back then belonged much more to fact than it does today.

In the 1950's, it was the height of the cold war. The Soviet Union was actively seeking support worldwide for conducting the spread of Communism. It turned to America's entertainment industry to do its dirty work. People like Harpo Marx, and Paul Roebson, who were very good entertainers, were caught up in this movement, though they probably didn't realize it until it was too late.

Marx was Jewish, and Roebson was black, or African American if you prefer. Both were striving to be accepted in a world poisoned by bigotry, and the Soviet Union played this to its own advantage.

The Soviets routinely invited minority American entertainers to perform on the Russian stage, and treated them far better than they were treated in their own country. This was, however, in attempt to win them over to the Communist way of thinking.

Mr. Robeson lost his passport as a result. This might have been harsh, since he might not have fully understood what was happening, but the U. S. government knew.

In any event, there was much more to what Joseph McCarthy did than the simple bigotry it is often reported as today.

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

MIB, you are coming through loud and clear. Always look forward to more stimulating debates to come. Regards Cred2

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thank you for your thoughtful and considerate comment to this article. Why Mr. Watkins is uniquely qualified to speak regarding Joe McCarthy? Yes, Communism was dangerous and we all learned of its ideological foundation to spread worldwide, that explains of military actions in Korea and Vietnam. But, I never saw any real danger of a Communist government overthrow here, even during the darkest days, and the reaction seemed to me far in excess of the actual threat. The threat would have to rise to a considerable level before witch hunts could even be considered.

Oh Yes, I would not be surprised that the Communists were looking for the weakest links in American society. Who were they, those that were disgruntled and that was natural. But, in a democracy there is and must always remain the fine line between opinionated dissent and treason and all that is associated with it. Thank God, the recognition of the proper balance was never abandoned. President Kennedy made a comment, responding to a complaint by an African ambassador who was discriminated against while trying to rent a hotel room in 1961. Mr. Kennedy said that our treatment of people in this way embarrassed us as a nation and made us more susceptible to criticism by our enemies. If you clean the dirty laundry you don’t have to be concerned about others being able to see it. The enemies of progress in the Civil Rights front still used the Communist label for its convenience to resist change more than to identify a specific Communist threat. We all know that. Mr. Robeson may have been a Communist sympathizer, but that is not treason in America and his performing in the Soviet Union did not change that fact.

It is going to take a lot to give Joe McCarthy a favorable view in the annuals of history. I am open to further comments that you may wish to share in regards to this article. Much of this is fact from the preponderance of historians. Those that choose to revise the current view need to present compelling evidence to support looking at McCarthy and this era from a different perspective. Thanks Cred2

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trainman2 5 years ago from Ohio

For Cred2:

I was refering to Mr. Watkins commentary on McCatrthy's actions vs. who he was, not that he was uniquely qualified to judge McCarthy. There was a lot more danger of communist infiltration than most people realized back then. The Rosenbergs had just sold nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union, for example. And much later, Warrant Officer Walker passed along Military Secrets.

Also, dissent is part mindset and part action. Treason requires an action, as in the case of the Rosenbergs or Mr. Walker. We as Americans need to be careful about likening the actions of the Founding Fathers to today, because, yes, what they did was considered treason under British law, but in today's world, the Tenth Amendment does give a state the right to break from the Union, in the sense that it says that any power not specifically given the federal government, nor prohibited from the states shall be retained by the states. So if any state did today what the colonists did back then, they would not be traitors, according to the Constitution.

As far as enemies of progress in the Civil Rights movement, are you refering to J Edgar Hoover and his actions? I would be inclined to agree there.

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hey trainman2. I don't deny that espionage and the like was not going on during the period, but to have it rise to the level of witch hunt that is was remembered for, seemed hardly justified.

In regard to your second paragraph...

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

That in itself is not justification for secession, I tend not to think that the 10th Amendment is a license for it. The South's defeat as a result of its rebellion now establishes how that is to be interpreted. I slways like the 14th amendment which made it clear that states are required by law to apply what was once only a requirement for the federal government relative to the states. (Bill of Rights)

And yes, in regards to J Edgar I do refer to his and his actions and see that we are on the same page here.

Thanks for sharing your POV, Cred2

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GNelson 5 years ago from Florida

Too many people in America today have all the answers. They don't listen to opposing views or options other than those they endorse. Common sense and compromise is seen as weakness. We have bought into the media hype. If you look at those who are benefiting from this, you will begin to understand what is happening and why. Hint: It is not the vast majority of us.

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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Hello, GNelson, so kind of you to read and comment. These are challenging times, but the intractible ones the ones not open to any form of agreement or compromise represent the undoing of our great country and its citizens. Thanks again Cred2

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Ralph Deeds 4 years ago

Amen. Nice job. McCarthy was a reckless, evil alcoholic.

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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

I am pleased that you approve, thanks for looking in, Ralph.

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junko 2 weeks ago

From your progressive view you observed much of the same view I observed from the underclass. Ain't nothing new today, just the same Conservative Pie of Exclusion of everything and everybody not W.A.S.P, by any means possible. Credence I'll be back to exposes you, in these times.

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Credence2 13 days ago from Florida (Space Coast) Author

Thanks for reading this article, Junko, it has been in mothballs for a while. I am irked by the political Right's role in our society. Am I truly being objective? Could there by a Liberal Pie of exclusion? I stand now where so many rightwingers stood in 2011, do I really have the moral authority taking the moderate to left perspective in politics? All I have to remember is what the right has represented, to see the relative virtue of the lefts position. So it is not just one side being the mirror image of the other.

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junko 13 days ago

Credence you can just stand in the middle, it takes no courage or moral authority. The only diversity on the far right is the inclusion of anti abortionist, anti gay rights, absolute gun rights, and anti public charity. Left of center is where everybody of color and liberal lovers stands according to the Conservative on the ALT Right. The modern right was born out of the old left which was far right and the diversity within the left today includes liberal haters in high places. We can't fear not being objective politically, you know what you know but your natural tendency to forgive and forget won't allow you move as you could and should. This may have been in mothballs but the truth is the light and all lies die when the truth is told or written.

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