Romney Says, "Obama's Plan Failed!"; He Forgot to Say, "BECAUSE THE CONSERVATIVE PLAN SUCCEEDED!" [153*33]

GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY
GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY | Source
MONORITY LEADER MITCH MCCONNELL
MONORITY LEADER MITCH MCCONNELL | Source
PRESIDENT BARACH OBAMA
PRESIDENT BARACH OBAMA | Source

WHAT WAS THE CONSERVATIVE'S PLAN?

WHY, TO FOLLOW MINORITY LEADER MITCH MCCONNELL'S DIRECTIVE TO MAKE PRESIDENT OBAMA A ONE-TERM PRESIDENT, OF COURSE. And, with that, the conservatives did just that. They delivered almost four years of the most obstructionist legislation in modern Congressional history in order to make good on Senator McConnell's promise to conservative America.

Now, if you are to believe the presumptive Republican presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, President Obama has failed miserably at everything he has attempted to do as President, especially the economy. If you don't believe him, just look at all of the statistics he puts forward many times a day.

Let me digress a moment and talk about logic:

  • Assume 'A' is going to do something and
  • 'B' is going to try to stop 'A' from doing it.
  • Assume further that, if it weren't for 'B's attempts, 'A' would be successful (both the vast majority of 'A's and 'B's economists say he would have been).
  • CASE 1 - 'A' succeeds: logic says that 'B' failed in the attempt to stop 'A'
  • CASE 2 - 'A' fails: logic says the failure is due to 'B's success in stopping 'A'.

By your comments and poll, who disagrees with the above logic and why?

OK, back on point. assuming my logic is correct, then what Mitt Romney is actually saying is that President Obama has failed to revive the economy because the Conservatives were successful in their bid to stop him from doing so.

So let us apply my logic to the actual rhetoric used.

  1. In early 2009, on MSNBC, in an interview with Matt Lauer, President Obama (A) said, " "If I don't have this [fixing the economy] done in three years, then this is going to be a one-term proposition."
  2. In Oct 2010, before the mid-term elections, and again on Dec 7, 2010, after the mid-term elections, Senator Mitch McConnell (B) said words to the effect of, "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."
  3. What is the implication here? How is McConnell and the conservatives going to do this? By implication (logic) the only way possible is to attempt to stop President Obama from achieving his goal of "fixing the economy"
  4. Mitt Romney obviously things the conservatives were good at the word.
  5. If you are one who thinks President Obama has failed, then don't you agree, it must be because the conservatives were successful in achieving their goal at preventing Obama from being a successful president?

Therefore the hidden Implication from Application of Logic to Mitt Romney's Statement: Conservatives, not President Obama, are responsible for the economy from not growing at a sustainable rate. To put it another way: Logic says that, Absent the conservatives (B) effort to stop it (A) from happening, the economy would be booming right now, don't you see.

Well, you say, the Democrats had total control the first two year, and you would be correct. And it was because they had that control was Obama able to do anything at all! In this case, pass the Stimulus bill which stopped a runaway recession from turning into a depression and, at the same time, stopped the stock market crash in its tracks; it turned around within two-weeks of the implementation of the stimulus. The problem was, the stimulus wasn't enough and by the time that became known, it was too late for Obama and the Democrats to force anything through. The conservatives had effectively shut Congress down for the duration.

[Author's Disclaimer: I personally don't think President Obama's plan failed, so I fall into Case #1 of my logic trees above.]

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jdmanista 4 years ago from Ladera Ranch, CA

Decent post, thank you. However, I have to say that on your point about Democrats owning the Congress for two years Conservatives really had nothing to do with them not passing more. I just feel that we did not have as much control as you may be suggesting. We really didn't wake up until 2010 and gain enough control to block any further legislation.


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

the first two years when Obama had the house and the senate were wasted because he squandered the power he had trying to be a bypartisan president and trying to bring some republicans along with him in policy support.because he was so conciliatory in the beginning of his presidency he didn't accomplish anything.Only when he woke up to reality was he able to achieve anything at all.


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peoplepower73 4 years ago from Placentia California

Romeny and his fellow republicans are between a rock and a hard place, when it comes to the Individual Mandate. Originally, that was an idea from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. Romney adpoted it when he was governor. Originally Obama wanted to go with the Single Payer program, but because of his opposition, he comprimised and went we with the individual mandate. But in any case, since the Supreme Court upheld the ruling, it is now law and Romney's use of it becomes a precedent for any repeal by the conservative community. Great hub, voting up, useful, and sharing. I liked the format of your polling.


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peoplepower73 4 years ago from Placentia California

Romeny and his fellow republicans are between a rock and a hard place, when it comes to the Individual Mandate. Originally, that was an idea from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. Romney adpoted it when he was governor. Originally Obama wanted to go with the Single Payer program, but because of his opposition, he comprimised and went we with the individual mandate. But in any case, since the Supreme Court upheld the ruling, it is now law and Romney's use of it becomes a precedent for any repeal by the conservative community. Great hub, voting up, useful, and sharing. I liked the format of your polling.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Thank you for your comment JDM. I am not sure what you meant by "I just feel that we did not have as much control as you may be suggesting.", or which time period it is referring to, 2009 - 2010 or 2011 - 2012. During the first two years, the Dems had the majority in the House and ran it like Boenher is running it today, while they had a filibustester proof majority in the Senate. Consequently, for those two years, they could pass anything they wanted and the conservatives could do a thing about it.

Today, the conservatives control the House, and while they don't control the agenda of the Senate, they do, through the abuse of the filibuster, control what can get passed.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Thank you for your comments as well Mio Cid. While I agree Obama didn't try hard enough to keep the herd of cats called the Democratic caucus more focused, I do disagree that he accomplished nothing. I think Obamacare, the Stimulus, stopping a depression, saving the auto industry, getting rid of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, finally turning the tide in Afghanistan, fianlly dismantalling al Qaida, nothing.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Thank you so much, PeoplePower.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

I gotta go with jdmanista on this, Democrats had TWO YEARS of TOTAL CONTROL.........results? Several billion dollar Solyndras went bankrupt, Border agents killed because of lies and cover ups, One Billion spent and not one person knows where the money is! Deficit grew at an alarming pace, Military was cut, Health care shoved down our throats to a majority that didn't want it! America was made a mockery by the President himself, He apologized to every country in the world for our greatness, and his buddies, GM, GE and the likes got billions and billions of our tax dollars.........what did we get in return? Lower incomes, higher taxes, higher unemployment, lower stock and retirements..........I'm too tired to contine


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

mio cid? Where was I during this bibartisan fiasco? I NEVER remember the President trying to get on the side of Republicans, His first and only interaction was to tell McCain the election was over?


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Johnkadu123 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Thanks for the hub. It is very interesting. If Obama manages to win the presidency again, he must never make the mistake of attempting to negotiate with the Conservatives. They absolutely loathe him and will do almost anything to see him out of power. They may retain the house but the senate is going to be a lot harder. However the president must not suppress the liberal vote by attempting to negotiate with a party that is well beyond any sort of compromise. To them he is the devil incarnate, unamerican and deserving of any criticism that they can find. I am sure if Obama said that oxygen is good, some Republicans would point out that as an example of socialism.


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TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

John:

And folks like AR would believe it--as long as it came from Beck, Limbaugh or their "News" outlet.


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jdmanista 4 years ago from Ladera Ranch, CA

Peoplepower, have you read the research paper that the Heritage Foundation put out? I am getting pretty tired of people referring to this paper that was written over 20 years ago and claiming that the Republicans basically wrote Obama care. Other than the fact that they suggested that everyone should have healthcare and should be mandated to purchase it there are a few similarities between the two plans. Most importantly they suggested that people receive a tax credit for their expenditures as opposed to a penalty for not buying into the health care plan. If you want further information on this I suggest you read the paper itself at the Heritage Foundation website or you can read my hub called The Heritage Plan versus Affordable Care Act.


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jdmanista 4 years ago from Ladera Ranch, CA

Crasher, have you ever actually listened to Glenn back? He is the only public personality that I have ever heard who will tell you do not listen to him, do your own research. The fact is that everything that he shares his research-based and can easily be verified by reading the original source. I'm not sure where you get your information but I have never heard this anywhere else and most news outlets think that you should simply take their word for what ever they say. Unfortunately? That is what most of the people do and therefore are usually misinformed. I make it a point of listening to both sides, doing my own research, and then coming to my own conclusion.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

JDM, I am not sure Obama has a choice to at least try to negotiate; as he likes to say, it is just the right thing to do. What he shouldn't do, is wait so long for them to reciprocate when it is clear they are not going to.

You must remember, this is a new phenomenom in modern American history, it has been at least a century, if not longer since America has seen this kind of hard-headed recalcitrance from one political party or another ... the last I can think of off the top of my head, and it is only one person, is Grover Cleveland, a Bourbon Democrat, the last Tea Party/far right conservative to hold the Presidency.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

I have to take Glenn Beck and Rush Linbaugh at their word, they are entertainers who are putting on a show simply to earn money, lots of it. Their content is intended to cause as much controversy as humanly possible and isn't bounded by any need to hold to the true respresentations of the facts and the complete story surrounding a given situation. They pick and choose just the little morsels of facts they can point to as "sourced" and then fabricate and entire myth around them that takes their listeners down the primrose path into mental oblivion; mainly because that is where they want to go; and earns Beck and Limbaugh another million or two along the way.

Both Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are most likely high scoring SDOs and their faithful listeners are unquestionably high scoring RWAs (take my survey if you don't believe me)


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

LOL, I liked that about Oxygen, John K, thanks for pointing that out.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

JDM, I read and responded to your hub on the Heritage Foundation's Affordable Healthcare paper ... good hub.


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TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

Esoteric:

I've heard of the RWA, likely what AR and many, if not most "Tea Party" types are. But what, may I ask is a SDO

JDM:

My main news source is NPR, as it seems to be under the least influence of the "%1". I also rely on things I find on the "micromedia" sites like "TruthOut" and voices like Traci Kelly of "Equal Time Radio" and Rick Smith of "The Rick Smith Show".


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

TeaParty. SDO is Social Dominator Orientation. I have two hubs on the subjects : http://hubpages.com/education/Are-You-A-Social-Dom... and http://myesoteric.hubpages.com/hub/An-Analysis-of-...

I use "POTUS" (Politics of the United States") on Sirius/XM, a very balanced program that is ironically a left-leaning set of hosts interviewing a plurality of right-leaning politicians and a balance of left and right-leaning topical experts. Their questions are surprisingly neutral given their unquestioned personal political preferences. The other is CNN. Less so now, not because of biased content but I am getting tired of their format, it hurts the ears.


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TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

Will read both of those, My Esoteric. as I'm working on doing a hub that will discuss the RWA.


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

@American Romance , just as one example of this is the fact that Obamacare is not what it should've been in the first place, universal healthcare for all in a single payer system, and the reason it isn't is because it's modeled after Romneycare, a republican governor , so he thought he would get at least the republican moderates on board to pass a bipartisan healthcare reform.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Or like the Conservative think-tank Heritage Foundation's proposal for Mandatory universal healthcare funded by tax credits and lots of gov't subsidizes.


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albertcamus27 4 years ago from Santa Monica, CA

Great hub as always. Wonderful to hear from a person with real common sense, and critical thinking skills. Not too common these days unfortunately. Hopefully things will improve. Cheers!


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

They always do, but it seems Americans must drink a near fatal dose of poison before coming to realize that. The conservative version of the American Dream is a very powerful and appealing one. Keep in mind the U.S. Constitution was almost "not" ratified because of the "exact same" arguments that are being made by conservatives today, so their philosophy has very deep roots in American culture indeed. In fact, the Federalists, those who believed in the Constitution, shot their wad with George Washington and John Adams by backing the English in their war with France, oh yeah, and a little thing called the Alien and Sedition Act, and literally, for the Federalist, and effectively, for a political philosophy, disappeared from the scene until Abraham Lincoln.

With only a few short exceptions, conservatives, known as Democrats then, ruled America both in terms of social conventions and economic philosophy for many decades. That is why so many Native Americans died and slavery expanded during their reign. After a time, Whigs made a few feeble attempts at social reform but the breakthrough didn't come until the Republicans and Abraham Lincoln, America's first effectve social progressive. Economically, however, conservatives convinced everybody there way was better [and to ignore those nasty 2008-sized recessions or depression that occured every 5 to 6 years] way to do things until Teddy Roosevelt decided to shake things up. We didn't decide to divorce ourselves from the worst economic system ever devised, however, until 1937 when macro-economics was merged with micro-economics to form a more complete picture of how an economy works.

Of here we have the conservatives who want to roll back both our social advances and our economic advances.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

M E. I know neither of us see eye to eye concerning politics, but I can't go by my polling because too many of my readers are conservative thinkers like myself. Therefore I know my polls are strued. I constantly get frustrated that liberals refuse to accept truths, If you REALLY want the truth in this world then you know you'r polls are tainted with liberal bias?

Thank God the congress stopped Obama when they could, the man has destroyed what is left of this great country.


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TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

AR:

This from someone who's definition of "Truth" is shaped by ALEC, the Kochs, and their mouthpieces.

Not that I haven't tried to point to to voices of and for the "%99".


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

AR - Exactly what is biased about my two questions? The first one simply asked if the reader agreed with the logic I presented in the hub. The logic may be bias, it isn't, but it could be. However, the question certainly is not.

The second question is unbiased and very legitamate. You cannot disagree can you that 1) Obama's "goal" was to improve the economy, whether you agree with how he went about doing it or not, that was is goal, and 2) the conservatives "goal" is to make Obama a one-term president by making sure he fails at achieving his goals. If I am wrong in either of those assumptions in my question, please tell me where.

If I am not, then all the question does is ask the reader if they think the conservatives were successful in stopping Obama from achieving this particular goal --- how is that biased?

Please explain.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

TPC, you might consider in your 99% number that about 15 - 20% of American's are RWA followers and fundamentalist Christians who are immune to your entrities.


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TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

My:

I am aware of that. AR would be a great example of a "RWA" follower.

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