Russia is Guilty for Malaysian Flight 17

The BuK missile system in the Ukraine area
The BuK missile system in the Ukraine area
MH 17 taking off
MH 17 taking off
Loss of life
Loss of life
The debris
The debris
Rebel fighters in the area
Rebel fighters in the area
The flight path
The flight path

The Ukrainian government has said from day one, their forces did not shoot down Malaysian Flight 17 over the Ukraine and had no reason to. They provided radio intercepts between Russians and pro-Russian rebels indicating they did fire the BuK missile. At first, many did not believe the Ukrainians, well, because they do have BuK missile launchers and because it all seemed a bit too convenient. As time went on, American review of their assets and satellite images began to agree with the Ukrainians. That, Russia did provide the BuK missile system, up to three such units, to the pro-Russian rebels and began to train them, which would take at least 4-6 mos.

Since training would take so long, they would have had to begin training way back in December, long before the Ukrainian crisis occurred. So, because the use of the weapon requires solid training, it is obvious, so obvious, that Russian advisers were most likely directing the rebels, step by step, in its operation and tracking of Malaysian flight 17. It is possible that the advisers actually did the firing. An Associated Press reporter on the ground in eastern Ukraine has seen rebels in the area with the Buk system. Also, there are reported sightings of a Buk missile system moving between the cities of Torez and Snizhne, both within in Donetsk Oblast — where the plane came down.

Russian complicity is obvious. It IS very possible it was an accident. Mistaken identity. It would be easy to think that the commercial airliner was taken for an Ukrainian air transport. The rebels had already shot one of those down. Without confirmation, the blip on the tracking radar is simply a blip. There would be no way to know.

It is now confirmed that the Russian BuK systems were secretly deployed into Ukraine from Russia. Intelligence, satellite images and tracks, show this was the case and after the shoot down, redeployed back into Russia. All this suggests "bloody hands" on the rebels and Russia and Putin, for it is Putin that refuses to let go of Ukraine, a former part of Russia. It is most likely that the plan was to scoot over the Ukrainian border, down more aircraft- civilian ones- and scoot back over into Russia. The hope was to blame the Ukrainians for the downing of Malaysian flight 17, because they also have the missile. Yet, evidence shows dirty hands on the part of Russia and Putin.

Russia's Putin is now at a crossroads. So far, he has done little to help secure the crash site, which is still dangerous with rebel fighters. However, Putin may not have total control over the rebels or all of them. They are an entity themselves. Yes, Russia supplies them with weapons to destabilize Ukraine, and Russian advisers are present to help them, there might be rogue members who have a mind of their own. Still, had not Russia provided the weapon system to the rebels, this would not have happened. Russia's guilt began then, not just when this incident happened.

The sad thing about this is what will Europe and America do? Even if Putin openly admits to this, what exactly would the West do? So far, over Ukraine, very little has been done except very targeted sanctions that have done little to Putin. Putin does not think much will occur that he cannot counter in some fashion. Because of this, his plans to eventually make Ukraine Russia's once again, in some fashion, will continue. Look what happened in the Crimea takeover? The West was unwilling to use any military force or show of force. Why would Putin be anymore concerned now? The West is not even willing to send more military units into Poland now, which is part of NATO. America still refuses, even now, to send in lethal military equipment to the Ukraine. Instead, we only send non-lethal items.

Well, no wonder Putin could care less about what happens. Unless the West is really willing to show some force, the guilty hands in this downing will go unpunished and Putin will continue his long range plans to take Ukraine.

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Jimmy 2 years ago

You need to look deeper. Who had the most to gain? The clear answer is the Reptilians.


Ron 2 years ago

There is one problem with your theory. The system does have an IFF interrogator. A trained Russian operating the system should have recognized it as a civilian aircraft. Yes, mistakes do happen, but this would be a big one.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Only part of the theory, the rebels could have only had parts of the system and no IFF. Still, Russia is guilty by association.


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maxoxam41 2 years ago from USA

NO WE ARE GUILTY. WE ARE THE ONES WHO OVERTHREW THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT NOT THE RUSSIANS AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING US THAT WE COULDN'T STOP THEM FROM AGRESSING RUSSIA AND KILLING MALAYSIANS. WE KILLED 3000 PEOPLE IN SEPT 2001, FEW MORE MALAYSIAN TO WAGE WAR AGAINST RUSSIA, WHY NOT? IT WOULD BE PART OF OUR MODUS OPERANDI. JUST FOR YOU TO KNOW, IT WILL BE ALMOST A YEAR NOW SINCE THE ASSASSINATION OF THE ARCHIDUKE FERDINAND AND DID YOU WHERE IT LED TO THE FIRST WORLD WAR. IS IT A COINCIDENCE? I DON'T THINK SO...


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lions44 2 years ago from Auburn, WA

Good job, Perry. Keep up the fight. It probably was a mistake by Putin's rebels, but Russia gave them the weapons systems, which allowed this to happen. Western Europe needs to start putting up a fight and stop relying on this ridiculous "spheres of influence" thinking. Voted up.


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jgshorebird 2 years ago from Earth

maxoxam41: You write of conspiracies. Fiction.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

well, as I said, even if Putin admits complicity the West will do little but talk to threaten in some economic sense. Russia has been working around such things successfully, so far.


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Curiad 2 years ago from Lake Charles, LA.

All american propaganda. The Ukrainian "Govt" are really US Puppets. Putin and Russia have no reason to do this. It is a deliberate attempt by the US to undermine Russia in the eyes of the EU. This comes only days after Obama places sanctions on Russia, and the many other countries refuse to support Obama's sanctions. The US is well known by most of the world as the cause of world disruption.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

What about the Russian propaganda? When this first happened, Putin issued a statement stating an Ukrainian aircraft tried to should down a plan with Putin in it and missed and the hit the airliner.


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CHRIS57 2 years ago from Northern Germany

There was a press conference in Moscow just now. Russian Military Command revealed that a Ukrainian fighter plane was detected close to the MH17 flight.

The statement may be questionable (SU 25 is a ground combat aircraft, similar to the A10 Thunderbolt. That having said the operational altitude of the SU 25 is some 3.000 m lower than the cruising altitude of MH17)

Also questions must be raised why it took Russia almost 4 days to issue this information.

Anyways, there were strong words towards the USA to reveal their satellite surveillance proof of the incident. The Russians said there was no ground to air missile launch.

I am quite interested in how the USA will react. Will there be any publishing of proof? Who starts with A must be prepared for B. And same for Russia.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

I agree, but the preponderance of evidence seems to point to Russia and its proxy.


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maxoxam41 2 years ago from USA

"preponderance of evidence"? Do you read our answers? I guess not otherwise you would question yourself and if you don't where's the point? Count me out.


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CHRIS57 2 years ago from Northern Germany

CNN published some so called evidence. That is kind of ridiculous. Any video game can do better.

But it is the same for the Russian presentation.

So by sorting out this kind of paperwork, the only evidence is the situation itself. Ukraine can contribute by allowing access to their warehouse. Simply count the SA11 systems. If all are in stock, then none we used by Ukraine regular forces. Believe me, those missiles are not replacable on a daily basis.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

The evidence is mounting and becoming clearer that as we all suspected Russia has dirty hands in this. Not a big surprise.


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jgshorebird 2 years ago from Earth

10-4 perrya.


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lancelot888 2 years ago from Russia

You that the prosecutor to make such a ruling? Before making such a statement, you should first understand. You come to write the article, but you are not competent. Answer me if only for Boeing. 1. Why still no list of the dead? 2. Why was not on board a stock of food and water? (Flight time of flight 8 hours). 3. Why are most of the corpses were naked, bloodless and from them came putrid smell, as if they had died long ago? 4. Why passport passengers all brand new and canceled? 5. Where did Boeing, who disappeared March 8, 2014. Most important question to you: The case is or provocation? If this is a provocation, then who benefits?

Information taken from here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8TJNKe9f-c

This news channel of pro-Russian separatists. Who were at the crash site of a Boeing half an hour after it was shot down.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Sounds like Russian media has brain washed you. OMG


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jgshorebird 2 years ago from Earth

Sounds like some nimrod FROM the Russian Media. Da.


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CHRIS57 2 years ago from Northern Germany

Certainly i don´t agree with the cynical comment of this guy "lancelot888". But he seems to be banned from hubpages. Why?

And with so little evidence shown by Russian or Western sides to support their respective theories, is this really the time for bashing Russia?

All this agitation is only aiming at the basic instincts of people. Haven´t we learned anything from Sarajevo 1914 ?


Alexandr 2 years ago

About @lancelot888. You did not answer on the merits to the questions he asked. And your answer - it's just a excuse. FYI: I do not watch TV at all, I do not read newspapers and magazines in principle. Communicate only with real people from social networks and with witnesses. Of these puzzles I try to make my objective picture independent of the corrupt media. These questions, which you are not able to answer, at least for yourself - it's just the "tip of the iceberg."


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jgshorebird 2 years ago from Earth

It is high tome for Russia bashing. After all, if the US invaded Mexico because the Drug Lords were killing innocent US Citizens, what do you think the rest of the world would think? They would think: Holy Crap! What is next? And please don't give that jive about the Ukraine being former part of the motherland. Before that it was not.


Alexandr 2 years ago

@Lancelot888 asked specific questions about Boeing and would like to hear concrete answers, or at least an opinion about it. But you write about the poor unhappy Americans who offends by whole world, because of what the U.S. is forced to destroy all around.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

The questions posed about the Boeing are from the Twilight Zone, sounding like what Russian media fed its public. Of course there is food and water on it, I have seen photos of passengers clothed, not all passports were new and it was not a flight of dead people.


Alexandr 2 years ago

Russian media solidarity with the American media. They also work on the United States. These data, in which the question was asked. It leaked from the Internet. Information from witnesses who were at the scene half an hour after the crash. Our and your media - it's just a show. If you want I'll give links to videos that made people, witnesses, bystanders at the scene.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Maybe- post the links, I am curious.

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