Ryan To Dems: Quit Your Demagoguing! Just Step Aside And Let Us Kill Medicare And Seniors! Seriously, It's A Bold Plan!

Dems Demagoguing The Death Of Medicare?

Paul Ryan complains that nasty Democrats are demagoguing his bold, courageous plan to kill Medicare. What is the problem, Dems? Ryan's Path To Prosperity is the bold budget plan offered by the GOP and it should be readily accepted and even promoted. Ryan and the GOP insist that it is NOT killing Medicare. It just makes a few 'minor' changes to the program, improving it and saving it for future seniors. It is imperative that this entitlement program be reined in because the costs are unsustainable. Of utmost importance is the fact that those older than 55 will not be affected. Their Medicare will not be changed! It is only seniors of the future that will be SOL...

Ryan is not calling for vouchers or coupons or even gift certificates. He is promoting "premium support allowance". The GOP Path proposes that the federal government will, based on a senior's income, determine how much money to 'allow' each individual senior. That 'allowance' will be used to help pay for a private health care policy, or at least a portion of a private health care policy. The senior will then be given a list of approved insurance plans to be offered by private companies, such as Kaiser, Blue Cross, United Health Care or any number of other companies. The federal government will impose minimum coverage standards that must be in place. In other words, each policy will have to include certain things. Then, after a thorough review by each senior, the senior will choose a policy that that will cover some of their medical expenses. The senior's choice of coverage and the cost of the policy will determine how much the senior will have to add to the 'allowance' to pay for the entire monthly premium. The government will pay the company the 'allowance' and each senior will then pick up and pay the difference.


GOP Reps Won't Go To The Free Market Like Seniors! Their Insurance Is Free!

GOP Insists This Is The Same Way Congress Chooses Their Own Health Insurance!

The GOP insists that this is how your Congressman chooses his or her own health care benefits. They are telling the truth. This is precisely how your Congressman chooses his or her coverage. But, the GOP and Paul Ryan are leaving out a big part of the equation. That big part is the income differential. Every time that you hear your Republican representative defend the plan, remember the INCOME DIFFERENTIAL.

  • According to PayScale.com , the average salary of a member of Congress (both Representaives and Senators) is $174,000 per year or $14,500 per month. The amounts are accurate as of 2009.
  • According to the government website, ssa.gov , the average senior is earning $14,124 per year, so the average monthly Social Security benefit is $1177. The amounts are accurate as of January of 2011.
  • An illustration, if you will: The senior and the Congressman review all of the policies available and then decide that the policy each one wants is the one that costs $12,000 per year. Based on this senior's income, the federal government will 'assist' with $6,000. The senior will then pay the other $6,000. The Congressman has a set 'allowance', also. Suppose his 'allowance' is also $6,000. The government will 'assist' with $6,000 and the Congressman will pay the remaining $6,000.

You can see, based on the illustration, that while this is basically the same, it is not really the same. The IMPACT will make the plans completely different. $500 a month to the senior leaves a much bigger IMPACT than $500 a month to the Congressman. While the Congressman will have to make do with their remaining $14,000 per month, the senior will have to make ends meet with only $677. The IMPACT!

The GOP and Ryan believe that they may have rolled their plan out incorrectly. The wording was wrong, and we all know that wording is key. Historically, correct wording, can make homicide sound better, even appealing to the masses. Even if all the words mean basically the same thing, the perception makes the difference. So let's all cooperate with Ryan and his GOP friends. Let's use the correct wording. It makes all the difference in the world! Above all, let's not lie about or demagogue Ryan's plan. After all, as Ryan so adeptly puts it, this will be very similar to the plan that Congressman Ryan is given with his Congressional benefits package. Once the GOP stresses that the new plan is the same as the plan for Congress, seniors or soon to be seniors will perceive it to be good, when of course it will NOT!!!

GOP Plan Is Right Wing Social Engineering

What Does The Ryan Plan Do To Medicare? Does It Kill Medicare?

The GOP Plan (as it should now be called) calls for the transformation of Medicare or as Newt Gingrich as a guest on Meet The Press called it, "...right wing social engineering...". Newt was right! Poor Newt! The GOP came down on him hard. Paul Ryan even received an apology from old Newt, and even though Newt believes the plan is too radical, he is now using the GOP plan to help him raise money. He has been pressured to say that he was wrong.

Almost every Republican representative voted to adopt this plan and all but 5 GOP Senators voted for it. They did not vote for 'conditional' support. They did not vote, "Yes, but I want to modify it a little", they voted "Yes".

Those "Yes" votes were votes intended to kill Medicare as we know it. There is no demagoguery here. Killing is killing, no matter how attractive or appealing the GOP tries to make it. Remember the vote.

It is also important to realize that this GOP budget plan, over the next ten years, does some other things. Two of the most significant things that the plan provides for are:

  • The plan cuts taxes to the wealhtiest of corporations and individuals by $4.2 Trillion dollars.
  • The plan pays for the tax cuts by cutting programs for the poor and middle class by $4.5 Trillion dollars.

This is not demagoguery; it is fact. This budget plan has been analyzed by the CBO. The analysis is readily available online. The analysis is non-partisan. If you have any doubts, read the Ryan Path To Prosperity and then read what the CBO says.

Above all, remember how your member of Congress voted!

Also remember what Ryan said when asked why, in spite of the fact that polls do not favor his plan: “I don’t consult polls to tell me what my principles are or what our policies should be,” he added. “Leaders change the polls.”

Let's show him that VOTERS change the representation in Congress! The VOTERS are the leaders!

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Mighty Mom 5 years ago from Where Left is Right, CA

Gosh darnit. Nothing like a good rant to get the blood flowing in the morning!

I commend you for keeping your tone journalistic here.

Well done.

One point -- there is another important difference between seniors and congresspeople. AGE! How many of our congresspeople are older than 80? Not too many!

Even with minimum coverage requirements, you KNOW insurance companies aren't going to hand over premium coverage to self-paying seniors. The highest risk population in the country. Nope. It's basically telling the insurance companies it's ok to deny Grandma her pacemaker if she hasn't ponied up the extra cash.

Shameful.

The good news is that seniors vote.

And if this is "demoagogued" sufficiently by the Dems, seniors (and pre-seniors like those of us who are not yet 55 but close enough to it to know we're getting the shaft) will turn out in droves. The thing is, Americans have made clear that we WANT Medicare to continue as it is. Find other places to cut (eg, defense spending). Better yet, let those Bush tax cuts expire as planned.

Since they're not using that extra money to create jobs (as promised) why shouldn't the fat cats pay their fair share????

Anyway, thanks for getting me started!!

Voted up and provocative. (No provocative button so awesome will have to suffice!) MM


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Nan Mynatt 5 years ago from Illinois

Good hub. Ryan is trying to eliminate the seniors after they have worked all of their life. His plan is outrageous and awful.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Mighty Mom,

Thank you! Glad this got you started this morning! The age factor as you point out is huge! Being alive at 65 is a pre-existing condition even without any health issues(like that happens!)and there is also a difference how age is treated for a member of Congress. The Fed program for Congress members prohibits age and pre-existing from being a cost factor. A 75 yr old Congressman must be given the same premium price as a 30 yr old Congressman... No such protections in the GOP plan to kill Medicare.

As for the journalistic approach--believe it or not, I have been called a liberal political hack, and even though I resemble that remark and also consider it to be a high honor, I tried to just provide the facts. No demagoguing here!

Dear Nan,

I agree! Ryan is trying to eliminate seniors, not just Medicare. His grandmother must have done something really awful to him to make him lash out this way!

Thank you for commenting. Your comment is short and right on the money!


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

Great Hub Jillian. Mighty Mom made my main points. The elderly are older than most members of Congress. The insurance companies are going to price them out of the market because they do not want this high risk group as you well know. Ryan's huge tax cuts and tax breaks for the wealthy and Corporate America takes immense chutzpah. I'm almost done with my alternative plan which I will publish in the next few days. Needless to say I am not kicking working class America to the curb while making the fat cats fatter.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear HSchneider,

Mighty Mom does have a way of cutting through all of the irrelevant issues. She gets right to the core of every subject that I have seen her tackle. Age is directly related to the cost of health insurance policies that are available on the open market.

The GOP Plan does nothing to regulate or decrease the cost of coverage. The current GOP would never seek to regulate private industry. Their proposed budget doesn't even take that into account. Yes, with their plan, the price of senior policies will go through the roof.

Kicking working class Americans to the curb is a prerequisite for GOP membership these days.


Fay Paxton 5 years ago

Jillian, between the hub and the comments this has made my day. There isn't anything I can add to this magnificent rant. The only thing that gives me more pleasure is listening to the Republicans practically beg the Democrats to stop saying they're trying to kill Grandma. The nerve after they talked about "pulling the plug on Grandma" for a year and a half. It's poetic justice.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Thank you, Fay!

Now they are trying to sign the Dems up to help them, that way the Dems taking part in the murder of Medicare will cancel out the GOP's own actions. That poor elephant should resign and demand that the new symbol for the GOP be the weasel. Imagine holding the debt ceiling hostage by requiring cuts to Medicare before they will vote yes...Political theater is so fascinating! It is a shame that there are real victims in all of this.


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

Jillian another excellent explanation of the GOP's intent. The old, the infirmed, the mentally handicapped and the rest of Congress better watch out, we might have to make them have the same medical coverage as the rest of us. That would solve one problem, they wouldn't be around long enough to see the rest of us get thrown under the bus. There are rumbleings of discontent in the middle of the heartland with the teabagers. They really need to know what a backlash is don't you think? Keep on keeping on. Peter


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Thanks, Peter!

Take away their healthcare- Best idea yet!


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vwriter 5 years ago from US

Great Hub. You pretty much hit my anger about the Ryan plan right on the head. I currently call the Republicans ducks. Let one Republican take the lead and the rest will blindly follow.


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amillar 5 years ago from Scotland, UK

Seems like just some more euphemisms for extortion Jillian.

As you say - "The VOTERS are the leaders!" (Or, they should be.)


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Hi, Amillar! Hope you are well!

The voters are the leaders, but all elected officials seem to forget that!


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear VWRITER,

They have only one brain that they all must share. They will never, ever think for themselves. Like Gingrich, they are afraid of being yelled at by FOX, or Beck or Limbaugh...their real leaders...So, they will do their damndest to kill Medicare, while enriching private insurance companies.

As for Republican ducks, I always picture them as weasels, but ducks work--


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

I think it's all good, because the elderly citizens are the ones who vote...hmmm, maybe Paul Ryan didn't think about that.

Let's abuse the very people who put politicians in their positions? Sounds about as big a big mistake as putting an elephant in the room. At least they won't be in office...lol.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Randslam,

Thank you so much for reading this article! I just shudder every time I think about the implications of the GOP proposed cuts to Medicare.

The proposal will kill! I was a kid prior to Medicare being enacted. I remember the stories in the news about seniors eating cat food and being unable to afford medical care. From Day 1, the GOP has fought against Medicare. They have always considered it to be welfare.


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

Jillian, I am part of a federal health plan similar to that provided to Congress. As a former federal employee, I have such a plan. The insurance companies that are part of this plan make certain accomodations and provide protections not available in the open market. If those protections were there when seniors go out into the marketplace looking for insurance, Ryan's program might be more palatable. The allowance would have to be far greater than the 50% scenario you provided here, based on the income of most seniors. The big problem for me is that the burden is to be borne by one group and that other forms of clearly wasteful spending, defense and fat cat subsidies are going to be untouched. I want everybody's skin in the game. Thanks for a great hub, Jillian.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Credence2,

I am familiar with the plans that federal retirees have. They are wonderful, for the most part. If that is what seniors were offered, it would be great! But that is not going to be the reality with this plan.

One key reason for that is that under the current plan you have, the cost of the policy is STRICTLY regulated by the federal government. Ryan seeks no such protections for seniors. He and the GOP believe that the open market itself will regulate prices. We all know how well that works. When the average senior tries to find an affordable plan, it will not be there.

I have dealt extensively with Federal retiree insurance, and believe me, when the insurance company denies a claim, all I have ever had to do to get the bill paid is let the company know that I will be reporting to the Fed. The denial instantaneously turns into a "wait, it looks like we have made a mistake."

I wish we all had that type of coverage! It just can't come at a 50% cost.

The only skin in this GOP plan is the skin of seniors...

I have not even touched on what the plan does to Medicaid...

Thanks, Credence2!


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Richard Sirota 5 years ago from Allentown, PA.

Excellent article. I agree completely and appreciate the tongue-in-cheek. I am 60 years old and find myself on dyalisis with diabetes and hep-c in the mix. I have been unemployed since 2007 and after my wife lost her job as a drafter we find ourselves uncovered and post COBRA. If I had to get insurance now with these pre-exsisting conditions most if not all of the insurance companies would opt to just let me die and "reduce the surplus population." The GOP plan may in fact mimic the congressional plan but as everyone here has said age is the determining factor along with the constraints of living on a fixed income. The disparity in accessability is alarming. Congresspeople should be forced to live on the same fixed income levels as the elderly and then try to purchase their health care along with the rest of us peasants [no insult intended]. I have found it amusing that the right-wing pundits decry the fact that under "ObamaCare" your doctor would no longer be making your medical decisions with you. The sad fact is that since the HMO's took over they aren't anyway. I guess their ultimate solution can be found in the movie "Soylent Green."


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Richard,

My initial thought after reading your comment was how can this happen in this country? But I know how it has happened. People have been lied to by the very people we elect... They may start out with good intentions, but then get quickly caught up in their love affair with power. Lobbyists, corporations, anyone with money buys influence and the rest of us are unheard. I am so sorry to hear of your situation.

My second thought is this. Can you qualify for Social Security disability? If you can, you will be able to get Medicaid right away and then Medicare within 24 months.

You are right. Every insurance company in this country has "death panels". I hate that phrase, but it is the truth. I have worked for insurance companies for too long to not know that. Cost vs. outcome is always a major consideration.

Congresspeople always talk about 'entitlements'. They neglect to mention their own perks. For crying out loud, many of them spend more on lunch than most of us spend feeding out families for a week! For some reason, they act like they are better than the rest of us and deserve more.

They also fight like dogs to keep their new found 'careers'. They are no longer serving; they think this is their tenured position that they should get to keep, regardless.


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Richard Sirota 5 years ago from Allentown, PA.

Jillian, thank you so much for your comments re: my blog. I am not sure I deserve the accolades but you have "made an old man very happy".

Concerning your latest comments, I am currently awaiting an August hearing date for a second try at a disability claim. We shall see. If the vision of the founders is ever realized I hope I am still around to see it.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

Jillian Barclay

VERY NICE HUB, suggest you link to the actual debate. some of your statements need a second look. i'm interested to you review .

Ryan and Van Hollen Debate Medicare Proposals 6/3/11

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/06/03/ryan-and-van-...


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

John,

As a courtesy, I watched the video you linked.

I have researched my points thoroughly. You and I have differing views on basically everything and I stand by the facts I have presented.

If you are so inclined, write an article praising Ryan's plan to kill Medicare. Send me a link and I will read it. I will not, however, allow you to hijack the article I have written and turn it into a forum for your views, as you have attempted to do with almost every other liberal article you read and comment upon. My article will not become your forum. Your forum is your own site on HubPages.

I respect your opinions, but do not agree with most of them. In my opinion, you are a "starve the beast" Republican and I would not be completely surprised if you told me that you had signed Grover Norquist's Pledge.

Thank you for stopping by. Thank you for making a comment. But again, I will not allow you to turn this into a Jon Ewall debate platform.

Anxious to read your article!


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

Jillian Barclay

I'm not looking to debate any of the issues in the Ryan budget PLAN . The President and the Senate has yet to present a 2012 budget plan as yet. The Democrats exploiting Ryan’s bill is all that they can do to discredit his PLAN.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION I AM A ,ONE OF MANY, AN INDEPENDENT with an open mind able to unscramble the propaganda on both sides.

I just wonder why some get on the defensive and attack a response to a hub.

Wake up and have a good day.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Jon,

Because you point out that you are not looking to debate any of the issues in the Ryan budget plan, I will reply to the questions that you have posed. The House Progressive Caucus has presented a budget for 2012. It is called the People's Budget. I believe it is viable. Just like Ryan's plan, its origins are in the House and it not only balances the budget, it creates a surplus by 2021. You may link to it at: http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=...§iontree=5,70 . There you will also find a link to the technical analysis of the plan offered by the Economic Policy Institute.

2) Exploiting Ryan's bill because it is flawed seems reasonable to me. Of course, if Ryan's plan is not workable, it should be exploited and exposed as such.

3) You see yourself as an INDEPENDENT WITH AN OPEN MIND. I disagree.

4) You wonder why I got on the defensive and attacked your comment. First, I did not attack your comment. I listened to the video as you requested and I thanked you for commenting. Second, I did tell you that I would not entertain any efforts to continue a dialogue with you because I have seen what you have done in countless other comment sections in countless other articles on HubPages.

When I stated that I think you have tried to hijack other articles, that is my opinion based upon what I have seen you do. I suggested that you write an article supporting the Ryan plan to kill Medicare, but to write the article on your own site, not mine. I apologize if that offended you, but I do not apologize for pointing out my observations.

Finally, I did just wake up and good morning to you, also. I anxiously await the reading of your article.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

Jillian Barclay

''You may link to it at: http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=§iontree=5,70 .''

I did read the Democrat plan. The Ryan plan was approved by the House, the Senate has yet to propose their 2012 budget plan and President Barak Obama's 2012 budget plan.

All the budgets will be debated at some time in the near future and a bill will be signed by the President. That's the way our government works.

The 2010-2011 budget that was to be approved on Oct.1,2010, was not approved until the Republicans won the House and after 4 extensions. Since 2007 the Democrats have had 2/3s control of the government, surely they can come up with a better budget plan and save Medicare and Social Security before the economy collapses

Expect a hub when the bill gets final approval, hopefully this year.

Your comments are well taken , have a great day


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Thank you, Jon.

Hope you have a great day, too. Let me know when you write your hub. I will read it. Thanks.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

J B

YOU ARE WELCOME.


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suejanet 5 years ago

Well said.

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