Salvation Through Faith is Dead without works.

If,you watched the above video I posted here about the belief that if you confess that Jesus Christ died on the cross to save us from our sins.and you believe that he did die to save us from our sins I would say you are right. But,the reason I would say your right may not be the reason ,you might think I say that.

Let me explain.

If, you think that we are excused from our sins as a result of Jesus Christ death on the cross,then we are not in agreement.

To me ,Jesus Christ's death on the cross demonstrates that death is not the end of life.

His resurrection proves that !

just as the resurection of Lazerous after his death and burial.

If,I were to believe that my sins can be forgiven ,just by virtue of expressing it verbaly then I would be a hypocrite if I sinned again,even if I could be forgiven again.Yet that is what Jesus Christ would do.Be like a parent who's children are misbehaving.Forgive them again and again.Parents also , teach their children or let their children learn the hard way which can be a punishment in itself.

So,I say those who want to believe that all their sins will be forgiven,they are right.

But forgiving a sin is not the same as absolving you of your sins.

The definition of Absolve - "to set free from an obligation or consequence."

You will find that the definition of forgive means the same thing,however

By any definition a debt which is something owed can only be justly repaid by the debtor in some way that makes the repentance significant to the debt.

Today when we get in over our heads in debt,we allow ourselves to be absolved or forgiven of that debt.But this is only,allowed if everyone is afforded the same privilage. This only makes it easier to get into debt by thinking that there will be no consequences.

The American Indians had a way for a man who unjustly kills another man to repay his debt by having to take over the responsabilities of caring for the dead mans wife and children.

Would it be morally right to let a person get away with a crime as long as resitution is made by a third party?

This might work with money,but when it comes to ones life ,I doubt very seriously that some third party is going to willlingly give up their life for yours unless they expected something of equal value from you. Namely your honoring them ,by doing only what they would do. Defend the truth with your life,if need be as he did.

Remember his followers all eventually were crusifed by those evil men who wanted Jesus Christ dead for telling the truth about their sins.He may forgive them,but their sins have consequences that must be reversed by them or their sin will increase.

 

It's their choice.and ours as to what we do.

 

 

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msorensson 7 years ago

We are punished by our actions not by God.

God is much too generours and loving to punish us so he created a perfectly elastic world.

We do not do unto others because sooner or later it will be done to us


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio Author

You have a way of always coming up with interesting comments All to true! We are only hurting ourselves,so we should all stop and think about that more often.


BJC 7 years ago

Good article.


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dusanotes 7 years ago from Windermere, FL

Hey, Someonewhoknows, that was an excellent article. We must repent down here on earth. We have been told by the prophets that it will be ten times harder to repent in the after world. Here's a Book of Mormon scripture that is right on point.

Alma 34: 34

34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.

Have a lovely weekend. Don


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio Author

Duanotes, Your reference to that book of Morman quote reminds me of the statement a sinner says in the Christan bible concerning warning their freinds and family about that very same thing but are unable to because they are nolonger among those living on Earth.

I glad you shared that bit of information here.


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ledefensetech 7 years ago from Cape Girardeau, MO

That was pretty good. One thing you might want to consider is that God set up the universe according to certain moral rules. Oh I'm not talking about the stuff you find in the Bible, but certain other rules. Something like one good turn deserves another or something like that. The Hindus have something of the right idea when they talk about Karma, for example. Still the fact that Christ was willing to die for us, even if we are not worthy of that sacrifice is still a very powerful message.

In that, I think we disagree. I'm not so sure about the original sin doctrine anymore, but if it does hold true then Christ's sacrifice freed us of it by the very nature of sacrifice not simply by virtue of belief. If that holds, then we have a moral obligation to acknowledge that sacrifice and attempt to follow his teachings as closely as we can. Which is pretty much the Golden Rule: Treat others as you'd like to be treated.


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio Author

You mean you don't believe in the ten commandments?

Don't

steal

kill

covet your neighbors wife

covet anything that is your neighbors

Bare false witness

worship an image

worship God alone

honor your mother and father

love your brother as yourself

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you


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James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

We are saved by Grace accepted by Faith. Our Faith, if it is genuine, will show itself to the world by our actions of Love toward our neighbor and our God.

This is a fine and thought-provoking Hub. I enjoyed it very much.


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio Author

Thank you James


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jayb23 7 years ago from India

Great hub. Whatever you do good or bad you will get back the same.The circle of life as they say. keep up the good work


Hxprof 7 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

Yep, the book of James makes it perfectly clear-"faith without works is dead". What works was James speaking of? Works that are done by the Holy Spirit guiding us-not by the flesh because, "the flesh profits nothing". Paul said that "all who are led by the Holy Spirit are sons (children) of God". Who is led by the Holy Spirit? Christ said, "Why do you call Me Lord and yet do not do what I command you". Before He ascended Christ told His disciples to, "Go out and make disciples of all nations, and teach them to observe all that I have commanded you."

Are disciples those who've been saved? Those who are saved have entered into the discipling process just as the 12 did (save Judas who was a devil). Once we're saved we are to learn to hear from Christ personally as He said, "My sheep know my voice, and they follow Me". Those of us who are Christians but are not allowing Christ to lead us through His discipling process are acting disobediantly, and when that's the case with us we risk what Christ told the church at Laodicia, "But because you are merely lukewarm I am about to spit you out of My mouth".

Christ told each of his followers that in order to be His disciple we are to,"Pick up your cross daily". This means to have the cross operating in our life to put to death the old nature as Christ exposes our often hidden sins and defilements.


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ledefensetech 7 years ago from Cape Girardeau, MO

Well someone, if you were to set up a society that enshrined murder, covetousness, lying, cheating, etc. it wouldn't last very long would it? So yes, I believe in most of the ten commandments. I'm not so sure about the first one. It sounds like that one was included by the priesthood to cement their power over the people.

I happen to believe that many of the commandments of the Bible were put in there for very good reasons. Even some of the dietary ones were put in there for good reasons, like pigs. Unless prepared correctly, it can make you sick. The problem is when you subordinate reason to faith, you get theological societies and all the evil that entails.


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio Author

I agree with your view on those who would use religion for their own purpose.

Personally,I believe that there is an intelligent design ,so for that reason God or by any other name would still exist in my mind.D.N.A is proof of a higher intelligence.Even if D.N.A.can be manipulated as can most anything else it still had to be created somehow.It's like the chicken and the egg delema.


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ledefensetech 7 years ago from Cape Girardeau, MO

What it really comes down to is one simple question. Is all of this one gigantic accident, or is there a purpose behind all of this. The problem with using intelligent design as a description is that intelligent design is used as a code for religious doctrine. The most telling argument I can make for the universe having a purpose is that not only can we understand the universe, the universe runs according to laws that we can test. I believe by testing these laws we can understand whatever creative force made all of this.

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