Boy Scouts, the new Hitler Youth!

I picked up a New York Times newspaper yesterday. Normally, I don’t read the New York Times during the week figuring if any news was important enough it would be on the computer or my local news. But, while I was picking up milk in the grocery store an article caught my eye. The front-page article was titled “For Explorer Scouts, Good Deeds Have Whole New Meaning”. I quickly skimmed over the article and brought it home to give it a more thorough read. The gist of it is that the explorer scouts (a coeducational affiliate of the Boy Scouts of America) are now being trained to chase down illegal border-crossers, face down terrorists and take out “active shooters”.

I found the article chilling, not only because no good has ever come of arming, training and giving this kind of authority to children but also because it had a strong resemblance to historical groups like the Hitler Youth and other communist groups like Pol Pot or Mao Tse-Tung. They also used children to round up people, imprison and eventually kill them. Why did they use children? Children are used because they don’t have the reasoning facility that adults have and are easily trained and controlled.

One of the reasons these people want to use children is because they can control them. I recently wrote a hub about “Oath Keepers”, a group that is comprised mostly of police officers and military, (http://hubpages.com/hub/To-Protect-and-to-Serve). They swear to uphold the constitution even if they are given direct orders to violate it from their superiors. Children do not have the wherewithal to disobey unethical or immoral orders and that is why they are being trained in this way. At no time in history has the training of children for military or law enforcement purposes benefited society. This must be stopped. I implore you; if you have kids in the Boy Scouts call them and voice your opposition to this new trend, if they wont listen remove your kids from the organization. We must stop this before it gets out of hand, for no good can come of it.


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majicat 7 years ago

It is chilling. The same thing happening in Germany, a collapsing economy, the national socialist party against the foreigners, training their children to hate the jews or anyone that wasn't like them. Now, we're training kids to think that hispanics are the enemy. Will we end up incinerating them as well?


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Brie Hoffman 7 years ago from Manhattan Author

It's all happening so fast and so according to the blueprint despots have laid out, it's scary.


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tony0724 7 years ago from san diego calif

Highly disturbing Brie ! I try not to read the NY Times at all between them and the LA Times I waste 5 bucks on a Sunday . I thought they eliminated yellow journalism .


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Brie Hoffman 7 years ago from Manhattan Author

I don't usually read them either but the paper caught my eye at the store...very disturbing.


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tony0724 7 years ago from san diego calif

I am pretty sure I could kick a teenagers ass though but that Is Illegal ! Brie did you see the Obama Deception by Alex Jones ? There Is some mention of this .


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Brie Hoffman 7 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yes, saw it, recommend it.


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Mighty Mom 7 years ago from Where Left is Right, CA

This is very disturbing. I've never been a big fan of paramilitary groups. But the idea of underaged kids being recruited for this purpose is wack. Then again, my opinion of the Boy Scouts has never recovered since learning they exclude gays. MM


sneakorocksolid 7 years ago

Well we wouldn't want to keep some institutions morally based on Christian sensibilities! Why not have a gay scout club we could call it the hopelessly lost scouts, stop. I guess we will have to decide which is more critical global warming or our kids being recruited by paramilitary groups. Everybody take a deep breath and calm down! Our church is a strong supporter of the scouts and scouting I have never heard about any small arms training. What's more disturbing is mature adults believing that crap. C'mon!Peace.


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Brie Hoffman 7 years ago from Manhattan Author

Do your homework sneakorocksolid. Just because it's not happening everywhere doesn't mean it's not happening. Google it, look at the news accounts, this is mainline news.


sneakorocksolid 7 years ago

Brie, sorry I took so long to respond. What percentage are we talking about out of all the scouting programs in the country? Are you sure its the Boy Scouts of America? Most of the families involved in scouting that I've met are good Christian families that support good morals and self discipline. This sounds alot like Lefties pointing a finger at a group that has and maintains standards of decency. There are idiots out there,no doubt, but don't rely on a biased opinion to accurately represent the truth.Peace.


UPGRAYEDD 6 years ago

Actually, Sweden and Switzerland, two countries with low murder rates and generally happy populaces, have a draft that takes around 20% of all eligible and mandatory service respectively. I'd like to know the name of the article or perhaps a link you know of to it.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks for writing UPGRAYEDD: It has been a few months since I wrote this so what you might do is google explorer scouts, illegal immigration and New York Times to find any additional information.


SGT. DEVILDOG 6 years ago

IF A CHILD, TEENAGER OR WOMAN HAS A GUN KNIFE OR BAT IN THEIR HANDS THEY ARE NO LONGER NONE COMBATANTS. AND I WILL KILL ANY OF YOUR SNOT NOSE PUNK KIDS THE DAY THEY SHOW UP AT MY DOOR IN A COP UNIFORM OR NOT. WITH A WEAPON IN THEIR HANDS.

I AM AN OATH KEEPER... BUY THE COFFIN NOW.

THIS IS F'IN UNBELIEVABLE AND ONLY MEANS THEY HAVE PLANS LOOKIN' FORWARD FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. IF THEY ARE BRAIN WASHIN' KIDS AS YOUNG AS 10 AND 12.

WHO'S WATCHIN YUR' KIDS MOM AND DAD? YOUR ENSLAVER'S ARE IS WHO!

ARM UP PEOPLE! PREPARE! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS NO LONGER YOUR DEMOCRATIC FREE NATION PROMISED BY THE CONSTITUTION. AMERIKA IS A LIE. YOU ARE NOW UNDER FASCIST CONTROL. YOU ARE NOW OWNED BY A HANDFUL OF ANGELIC WHITE BRED'S AND JEWS.

WHO OWNS YOU?


Ross Wolf 6 years ago

Could Arming Explorer Scouts be a prelude to a Civilian National Security Force?

Obama's in July 2008 proposed a “Volunteer Civilian National Security Force.” It was never clarified what Obama meant when he stated in July 2008: "We cannot continue to rely on our military to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

Historical note: Germany under Hitler during hard economic times established volunteer "Civilian National Security Patrols" to help Citizens and to protect the Homeland. But soon after the patrols were setup, the volunteers were transformed into a neighborhood Political Enforcement and Informant Arm” of German Secret Police.

How would a federal “Volunteer Civilian National Security Force” including perhaps Scout Explorers interface with State, Local and Federal police? Would Obama's Civilian Force have access to U.S. Citizens' private records? Could Constitutional rights including the Fourth Amendment be discarded, allowing “Civilian Security Forces” to search Americans and their homes? Could Americans lose their right to bear arms? The Nazis used Civilian Forces with the Gestapo to confiscate private arms, arrest Germans and seize their private property, often moving into Citizens’ homes. Could Obama subsequently employ U.S. private mercenaries now overseas that are civilians to work with a "Civilian National Security Force" in U.S. Cities?

Children are so moldable: Never underestimate influence political leaders and schoolteachers can have on children put in their trust. When teachers violate that trust, they should legally be held accountable. U.S. schoolteachers now instruct their youngest pupils to sing songs about him. Robin Hood he is not, but he does take money from Citizens to give it to others. His name is Obama. Throughout history government leaders and schoolteachers have for good and bad politically influenced children. The Roman Empire believed teaching young children pro-Roman songs in countries they invaded would gain their support later as adults, furthering Roman psychological and military control. In Stalin’s Russia, teachers pursued children in grades 1-5 to join the communist youth organization “Red Pioneers.” Stalin called the nation’s youngest students Octobrists" referencing the October 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. Communist high school administrators relentlessly ensured that student associations with teachers merged State interests, e.g., collectivism. The most indoctrinated students after completing grade 12 were chosen by Moscow to enter the Communist Party to enforce State laws, mainly Collectivism-that all Citizens shared the benefits of their hard work and material goods with the masses.


stupidamerkin 6 years ago

How do you separate your children from the state who already owns them? The truth is that it's over. This country is history period and we ain't going to get it back because it was taken over 3 generations ago. It's bad enough right now with all these road pirates that cruz the highways and byways robbing and plundering the people. What do you think is going to happen when this is full tilt boogie. Instead of a contract, (ticket) you will get a bullet. Get reay people because it is coming and sooner then you may think.


David Conner 6 years ago

The article you read in the New York Times is utter BS...any normal American would know that the NY Times is run by left wing liberals and anti gun activists. I am heavily involved with Scouting, Cub Scouts, Girl Scouts, Venturing Scouts and even the local Sheriff Explorer Post. 4 of my children are involved with Scouting in on way or another, out of those 4...3 of them LOVE shooting. We teach them about gun SAFETY, first and formost. As you sated in one of your posts above "Just because it's not happening everywhere doesn't mean it's not happening." I have been all over this country visiting other Explorer Posts and have never heard of this reteric you so happily qoute from the NY Times.

We DO NOT tech our Exploreres how to "chase down illegal border-crossers, face down terrorists and take out active shooters”. It is in our National By Laws that they Explorers are not even allowed to shoot at silhoette style targets when firearms training. In fact Air Soft and Paintballing are not authorized as activities for our Scouts and Explorers. As you commented to sneakorocksolid: DO YOUR HOMEWORK, please before you go and post some obsurd raint that you REALLY have NO knowledge of.


frank gould 6 years ago

If this isn't paranoia and overreaction I dont know what is. In short this article is stupid beyond belief.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

To Everyone who has commented in the last 2 months: For some reason my email notification was off so I wasn't notified when you wrote your comments. Thanks for commenting and I'm sorry I wasn't able to respond in a timely manner.

Remember this happened before and I'm sure no one thought anything of it then either.


charles 6 years ago

I was an exlporer scout in the 1980's this is NOT new. Explorer scouts are for older boys 16 and above I believe at the time. It's purpose was much like a mentorship where you can learn about various jobs, our local Police dept participated, the leaders were actual police officers that had BSA training, many were swat and bomb guys. We did much of the same training they did it was harmless. I think I went to 3 different Explorer posts, a medical, police and a fire dept. I think much is being made of nothing, this has been going on for 30+ years and yes every element of society has it's wack jobs, but please do not think that the Scouts are the new Hitler Youth. I'd be much more worried about young men w/o structure of a positive nature (gangs) than any Scout troop.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Well, I guess time will tell Charles.


patriots resist 6 years ago

alex jones is a disinfo agent for the nwo. you should look into william cooper who was killed for telling the truth a real american. do your own research and you will find the truth. GOD BLESS YOU ALL


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yeah, I don't believe he is a disinfo agent. I know about Bill Cooper and believe that they are/were both right.


Kevin 6 years ago

Whoever thinks that police explorers are the new Hitler Youth is very idiotic, and obviously has no idea what we do. We don't keep a watch on what people do. That's not what we're about. We're exploring the world of law enforcement and we are taught different aspects of said world so that we may: further our interest in chasing our chosen future career, get some volunteer work done, learn about leadership, responsibility, and respect, and/or help our community. We are not given firearms, and if we do handle firearms, we are trained like real officers to handle them with the utmost care. Please, do some research into what we do before you write articles like these.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I guess those pictures above are just figments of my imagination!


Kevin 6 years ago

Yes, and is thinking that the guns are real a figment of your imagination as well? Any blue, red, orange, yellow, or whatever color gun is solid plastic. These explorers are not training with real firearms.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Time will tell.


Michael 6 years ago

Is this a joke? Seriously? unbelievable.First off like someone said earlier those aren't real guns. Those are plastic replicas (Probably toy airsoft guns) to simulate a real gun incase this was the filed of work they would be interested in LATER. God, just because some good Christian mostly right wing families are teaching kids how to use a weapon doesn't mean "OMG Hitler youth is coming........run hide your children." You are never forced to learn how to use a gun in the scouts. You are never forced into learning about jobs that require you to use a weapon.

Guess what they are young adults learning a new skill or preparing for a future job they may want.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I have no problem at all with children learning how to use guns but when the state attempts to use them (look up Obama Youth) then I have a problem. Take your head out of the sand!


Karen 6 years ago

None of my sisters did any guides/brownie stuff because my grandfather said it was"training for war". I find that as I get older, I agree more strongly with him.


ew 6 years ago

I watched the Obama Youth Video and I really do not see the problem. Just because a bunch of young kids aspire to do something with their lives that positive. We should encourage this behavior, at least its not a street gang and they very well may be the next generation of great architects and engineers. I retired from the Military and I see a bunch of you kids "Obama Youth" trying to do something positive. As far as the kids above I see nothing wrong with playing airsoft and creating combat senaios. They could have definitely chosen a better senario and the Scout Leader or Explorer Leader should really take a good look at what he is teaching these kids. Also I am really offended by everyone who is a "good christian" I believe people can be good whether they are christian or not. I do not profess to be of any religion but sometimes I pray however I have just chosen to pray but not to any particular god so that probably make me bad. The only thing people see wrong with the young group in this picture is that they are black. I am white and ashamed of my culture. a bunch of greedy, self-rightous, bigots, who care about nothing but themselves.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I don't think children should be trained for war..period.


Stacy 5 years ago

I believe that in general, most people are for the most part good. So it's hard for a lot of people to comprehend such evil, and how close it really is to them. Point is, Hitlers followers didn't go into it knowing how it was all going to turn out.. Hitlers youth was made up of kids just like the ones in Obamas youth program. So isn't it wise to at least take into consideration that if something happened once.. it could happen again? I mean really, Nazi Germany was only 73 years ago. That's not a very long time.


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

I agree with the second part of your statement but I don't think most people are good.

People forget history, we also gathered together all the Japanese Americans and put them in concentration camps and yet people think that could never happen in America...but it already did happen.


Steve 5 years ago

These aren't children training to go to war. These are citizens of the US that are exploring new careers. There is nothing mandatory about the Boy Scouts or the Explorer program. Everything here is voluntary, unlike the draft/HJ. These are not harmful programs, their purpose is to show scouts how to develop characteristics that will help them in whatever career they choose. Kevin knows what's up. Listen to those with experience in the program(s).


John 5 years ago

Most of you have no idea what you're talking about and should educate yourselves before speaking. Not to limit your freedom of speech, mind you, just so that you won't sound so idiotically stupid. Someone here asked if training Scouts was a prelude to Obama Youth? Obama himself can't stand the Scouts because they're too "American".

Fact: Explorer Units aren't under the authority of the BSA directly, but under a subsidiary known as "Learning For Life"

Fact: Explorer Posts don't adhere to the same creed as the Cub and Boy Scouts. They don't have to believe in God, they are co-ed (boys and girls for those who wrote the stupid things).

Fact: Exploring has been around since the 1940's and no one has attempted to convert anyone or take out any illegals in all that time.

Fact: Explorer's learn character, teamwork, leadership. Parents have their kids (14-20) join Explorer Posts based on the company or organization who sponsors them and what career that Post is learning. In the case above, young Explorers are learning about careers in Law Enforcement. It's not about taking anyone out - it's about learning to keep you and your family safe. They also learn things like parking people safely at events, crowd control, doing paperwork, following the advice of adults in authority. You know, basic things that will keep them out of trouble, off the streets and productive members of society.

There are adults living now who grew up in harsh ghetto environments and are thankful that Exploring was an avenue out, without resulting in drugs or violence that is rampant when adults don't care what their children do.

This is all well-documented. Before you go spouting off about "New Hitler Youth" and "paramilitary organizations" you should educate yourself. And shame on the writer of the original article for stirring up a frenzy about one of America's finest youth organizations.


jEmSSnn01 4 years ago from NY

This is why it's important to teach our children their rights. We must teach our children their heritage and constitutional rights at early age.


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Brie Hoffman 4 years ago from Manhattan Author

I agree, I also think that homeschooling is very important. I just discovered a movie called "Indoctrination" about the public school. I would encourage you to get and watch that movie.

Thanks for commenting jEmSSnn01


Irishscout 4 years ago

They are being trained to do these things, but they are not necessarily having to put these skills into use at a young age. Many boyscouts go on to join the Navy Seals, CIA, FBI and Delta Force - Being a Boy Scout does help your chances at getting into such organisations, as scouts teaches responsibility and independance. There's no harm in teaching them some policing and anti-terrorism skills to go with that, even if they never use them.


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Brie Hoffman 4 years ago from Manhattan Author

All of the organizations you mentioned are criminal organizations for the most part.


Eric 4 years ago

Sorry for commenting years after the original post, I just came across this thread and wanted to jump in. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but it seems as though conclusions were jumped to by just reading a news story... First off, all media outlets put their own spin on any issue and somewhere in the middle is the truth ("if it bleeds, it leads")... I am speaking from experience on the media issue as well as about this subject regarding the explorer program... First off, law enforcement explorers are not the only explorers out there, there are also fire explorers and explorers for many admirable trades or professional fields. I was a law enforcement explorer for a major metropolitan west coast police agency from age 15 to 18. The reason I joined the program was because I had an interest in law enforcement from a young age and now in high school was considering it as a career choice. This was a way for me to learn more about what I may face in a career in law enforcement. Many of the kids I was in the program with joined for one of two reasons; 1) like myself, to explore the option of law enforcement as a career and 2) because in a metropolitan city like I was in, it was an alternative for many of them from running with a bad crowd (I won't say necessarily gangs, but anything from somewhat innocent school ditching crews to graffiti crews to the extreme, gangs and anything in between)... In the program, we went through a mini 18 week police academy on weekends... Yes, it was just like the real thing where we did firearms training, arrest training, report writing, learning the laws and physical fitness. Personally, I was this chubby kid who was always made fun of growing up for my weight, but going through the academy, I dropped all the weight from the physical demands of the physical fitness program and became a lot more self confident... The program, like another person posted earlier, taught moral values, respect and hit teamwork home like nothing else. Yes, we used real firearms under close expert range master supervision during the academy and yes, we would practice things like the picture showed using simulated weapons (why its painted blue) to learn tactics and such, but at no time, let me repeat, NO time are explorers ever armed. the most an explorer carried in my day was a 3-cell flashlight and today, some programs allow explorers who are over 18 and have taken additional training to carrier pepper spray... The only time we were ever exposed to real weapons after the academy training was when we went on ride-alongs for patrol. We were not issued a weapon, but we had been trained in the academy on how to use the shotgun and we did have access to the shotgun in the patrol car and in the academy we were taught defensive procedures had the car come under fire (yes, people shoot at cops and they don't know there is a ride-along, whether it be an explorer or just a civilian from the community going on a ride-along), so we were taught what to do if the officer we were on patrol with may have been injured and we had to defend ourselves... It has never come to that from what I know... Another thing that is stressed, the explorer program is a NON hazardous NON operational program, explorer cadets do not have powers of arrest and can not go "hook" people up or go stop bad guys... As a matter of fact, many programs will discharge a cadet who over steps their position, we had an explorer who attempted to make a "private persons arrest" (more commonly known as a citizen's arrest) while off duty from the program. He was 17, witnessed the action and was well within his rights. When the jurisdiction he made the arrest in called our agency to actually commend him for what he had done, he was actually discharged from the program because it is stressed that we were not cops and he should have observed and reported, as an explorer he is trained to gather and observe details the public generally would miss and that would have been his best course of action for his safety... I learned a lot in the program and for the record would have my child go through the program knowing what I know, but only if that was what they wanted to do... For the record, I did not go into law enforcement even though I was a law enforcement explorer, graduated high school and then got a college degree in administration of justice, I ended up going into another form of public safety and became a firefighter medic and I think I owe part of that to what I learned in that program...


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Brie Hoffman 4 years ago from Manhattan Author

Eric, what year was it that you went through the program?


Lindsey 2 years ago

Better get ready for the brown shirts( scouts) , the Stasi, neighborhood spies and informants and fascism, because that is what this nation is planning to unleash by 2022. Your friendly mailman is already your neighborhood snitch... Utility services meter readers are trained to observe and report as well.

If parents are so uninvolved and complacent about the brain washing that is being perpetrated with their children, then you all deserve what you'll get. If you couldn't see this coming with the election of an unknown and unvetted Chicago community organizer/ communist/ Muslim raised mulatto, then you are just plain stupid. I warned everyone in 2007-08 that Obama would be the ruination of country. The moronic trendy liberal leftist's thought it would be so cool to elect a negro as president, that they wouldn't listen to those who were warning them against him. These same assholes elected him twice. Now, the USA is about to become a collapsed and failed nation thanks to his idiotic policies and misdirection of the nation towards socialism. THANKS A LOT YOU MORONS!


bob 2 years ago

Explorer scouts are POLICE recrutes. Its like JROTC for cops.


Andrea 23 months ago

It's pretty chilling that they were practicing on a Veteran as well...they are lumping [disgruntled] veterans in with terrorists. Subtle...but brainwashing always is.


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Brie Hoffman 23 months ago from Manhattan Author

Yes, that's how it's done..it's pure propoganda.

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