Succession: States Succeeding from the US in This Day and Age?

"one nation indivisible"
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Seceding

Remember reading in history books that states wanted to secede from the union (United States)? Seceding is the act of a state withdrawing from the United States. Back in 1860 eleven states seceded form the Union because they wanted to keep slavery in their states....they formed the Confederate States. Many in the south believed Abraham Lincoln was trying to rule with absolute power with no regard to the South. Is history repeating itself?

Apparently the answer to my last question is yes! I read with surprise and amazement, accounts of forty-seven states filing petitions to secede from the Union! In 2012! Seriously!

One of those states is Texas. I'm laughing as I write this but its not funny. For your information these petitions were filed on the government's "We the People" web site (this web site was launched a year ago).

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Excerpts From Petitions

The Texas petition:

Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

Louisiana petition:

“We petition the Obama administration to: Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”

Oregon petition:

"With the federal government increasing its size much larger than our Founding Father’s intended, and its abuse of power trumping over the rights of state constitutions, and the forcing of unconstitutional laws over its own citizens, the people of Oregon would like the chance to vote on leaving the Union immediately."

Current secession

As I continued to research this movement I realized it would be easier at this point to say the only states NOT petitioning to secede are Vermont, Washington and Maine.

The irony is most state's governors do not believe secession is the answer to anything. This is not a 'government' movement by any means. According to the Huffington Post, Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam (R), 'doesn't believe secession is "a valid option for Tennessee." Texas Governor Rick Perry does not support the petition AND a second petition was launched to keep Austin, Texas in the Union and that President Obama allow Austin to withdraw from the State of Texas.

Counter petitions want to deport those signing the secession petitions. I thought when the election was over we were going to act like grownups and try to put this country together again?

Has America gone mad? Not exactly. According to A University of Louisville political science professor this is not something new. Secession petitions were filed after George W. Bush was elected and after Obama was elected the first time. Further research shows it has happened after every election in the past twenty years!

My question is, did the people signing these petitions vote in the election? If they did, why are they complaining now? Really, grow up people...what are you going to do, take your ball and go home?

Giving up on our military who sacrificed their lives so this country might be free and protected?
Giving up on our military who sacrificed their lives so this country might be free and protected? | Source

The results of seceding

Okay, let's just say hypothetically that these states are allowed to secede. President Obama grants their petitions. Now what? Who governs 'each' new state? What do they do for money, do they print their own? Do they write new laws? What about taxes to run THEIR government?

Oh, and what happens to their borders? Can Texas protect itself against Mexican drug lords and illegal immigration? What happens when a catastrophe hits and there is no National Guard to come in and help and no FEMA to provide funds for rebuilding?

What happens to "one nation indivisible"? Will each state have it's own military? What about the federal funds each state now receives but won't when they secede? What happens to United States Citizenship?

To me the saddest thing in all of this is the people signing those petitions are giving up on America...a country we fought so hard to form and keep. They are giving up on our military who have sacrificed their lives so this country might be free and protected.

"The bombs bursting in air,  Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there....o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave."
"The bombs bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there....o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave." | Source

A Ridiculous Mess

The entire thing is a ridiculous mess. What makes it so ridiculous is that unlike the past twenty years of secession attempts, this one has garnered a lot of publicity. Granted some of the publicity is due to the web site availability that we didn't have before. The Internet provides an opportunity to build popularity even if the subject is not necessarily a popular one. How many ridiculous YouTube videos have shot to fame overnight?

According to the "We the People" web site, the White House will respond to any petition with more than 25,000 signatures. From what I'm reading the White House is going to be busy. As with the election, these petitions are drawing attention away from the real issues at hand. Obama's "fiscal cliff" is what the nation should be focusing on.

When taken in context, the signatures on these petitions are a minute fraction of the actual population in each of those states. For example, Louisiana has 4.6 million residents and 28,000 signatures on it's petition.

While the White House is the target of the petitions, the White House cannot, legally, grant petitions of secession. The Presidential Proclamation Declaring a State of Peace Between Texas and the United States dated on Aug. 20, 1866 stipulates that no state has the right to secede from the union. The Proclamation reads:" ... it is the manifest determination of the American people that no state, of its own will has a right or power to go out of or separate itself from, or be separated from the American union; and that, therefore, each State ought to remain and constitute an integral part of the United States ..." (examiner.com, "Texas secession petition is meaningless", November 13, 2012.) Other sources say, as a result of the Civil War neither the United States nor any court would grant any state the right to secede. The Supreme Court has already ruled that no state has the right to secede.

"United we stand, divided we fall"...anyone remember that?

To me this is a mass temper tantrum and ultimately it is much ado about nothing! Time to reunite and make this one nation, indivisible!!

Post Script

As of 11:20 a.m. on November 14, 2012, all fifty states have signed petitions on the We the People website, to secede from the Union.
The website examiner.com states that these petitions show the deep split that remains in this country after the election.

On 11/15/2012, a petition with 3,196 signatures says that any state seceding from the Union must pay it's share of the National Debt before it can leave....it appears to me this entire thing is turning into a comedy of errors!

Also as of this date, the leading secession petition has gathered (total of signatures on all petitions) to 388,000. ABC News states there are 36 states with petitions filed making my earlier statement (garnered from other research) that all 50 states had filed, untrue. States filing:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

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Comments 55 comments

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Johnkadu123 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Great hub. These are just people who cannot deal with defeat. They live in an echo chamber where Obama is the anti Christ and Democrats are devils. Some of these people were absolutely convinced that the Southern Strategy would work this time (just like it did many times before), only to realize that the coalition of the people that had been oppressed for the last 40 years became the majority. Now they have to contend with the fact that bigots are not really the majority in the USA. This is a compassionate country that is not prepared to give in to bigots.


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Jackwms 4 years ago

Rather silly, in a way. None of these petitions represent the majority of the people. For example, Oregon is a very blue state that went for Obama. But, I guess it is always possible to dredge up a few thousand disgruntled souls, no matter who wins the election.


HSchneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

Excellent Hub, Tillsontitan. This is just another example of our incredibly polarized politics as well as the incredibly exaggerated and misplaced views on President Obama's policies. I do not think the vast bulk of the people want secession and the results would be calamitous.


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mperrottet 4 years ago from Pennsauken, NJ

I just read Jackwms comment, and the same can be said of New Jersey, a state that heavily supported Obama. These petitions are just a ridiculous example of sour grapes that shouldn't be taken very seriously. Good hub - I hadn't realized that this movement has gone so far - just when I was hoping that we would come together as a nation. Voted up and interesting.


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billybuc 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

I almost wrote a hub about this; I'm glad I left it alone because you did much better than I would have.

On the one hand, this is an example of free speech and petitioning the government, which of course is a Constitutional right. On the other hand, HOW CHILDISH! I, for one, would have no problem with Texas becoming their own country. :) Just kidding all my Texas friends!

Seriously, this division that we now see has to stop. We cannot solve our problems in this country if the division is not fixed. sigh!

Now I'm depressed!

Good job Mary!


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

Mary, I think it is just a representation of how divided this nation IS. People are tired of the Washington spending and distribution of entitlements by taking more money from the hard working Americans.

We need leadership, not just from the WH...but from the Senate and the House.

Good hub though,

chris


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

Thank you John. I hope and believe that bigots are NOT the majority in this country just as I hope these anti- everything types are not the majority. I am glad you see us for the good people we truly are.

So true Jack, there are always a 'precious' few who will rile the waters no matter what.

HSchneider, can you even imagine what would happen if eve one state were allowed to secede?

Mperrottet I hadn't realized it had gone so far either, until I read that all fifty states had filed petitions! Totally ridiculous.

I doubt I did better than you would have Billy, I probably just took a slightly different perspective....I tried VERY hard to keep my sarcasm in check. You are so right we need to stop the division....don't be depressed, read another hub and/or grab Bev and Waltz (smile).

CMerritt, everything you say is true. Our so called leadership has stopped leading! Time for it to start again.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

tillsontitan

Very thorough and good points

I would have to say, that even though this may not apply to the majority of those who are so angry, hostile, and want to secede from the union.

But

Could the main reason be that there is a Black man in the White house?

Could it be that many of them come from or identify with the traditions that supported the values that sparked the original secession from the union?

i.e. this is White Anglo-Saxon Protestant country and only White Anglo-Saxon Protestant males should be president or run the country?

Certainly not someone they may associate with inferiority (slavery) or coming from the fields and now living in and controlling the big house


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xstatic 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

I read that there are twenty something states with what I view as these ridiculous petitions, and I suppose the White House has to respond to any with 25000 signatures, and they will, with a semi-polite NO. I am not sure that is the best answer in all cases, but these states would soon be lining up hat in hand to be allowed back into this wondrful union that has survived much bigger challenges than this tempest in... in.... well I'm not sure what kinda pot it is, but i needs emptying.

I agree that race pays a big part in this "movement."

About Oregon? Just a few rednecks out there in them hills. Never a majority. We are a blue state now and forever I hope!


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

VVeasey I suppose there are bigots and racists involved in any movement but I would hope we, as a nation, have risen above that! I'm sure there are those who feel as you've described but I hope they are in a very,very small minority!

Xstatic all fifty states have now jumped on the bandwagon. Eventually the White House will have to reply to the petitions and I can think of a lot of words besides "no" they could use! God save us all.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

tillsontitan

Yeah I hoped that we had too, but remember it really hasn't been that long ago since the Jim Crow era and the Civil Rights movement. The Civil Rights Movement was in the 1960's.

After 400 years of slavery about 100 and something years of Jim Crow and segregation...

I think it's kind of like when you turn off the fire under a hot skillet...

if you touch it it may still burn you because it takes a while for it to cool down.

There are still people who keep relighting the fire (trying to keep those traditions going)

Look at this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

tillsontitan

I hoped we had too, but remember, it really hasn't been that long since the Civil Rights movement of the 1950's and 60s.

After about 400 years of slavery and about 100 and something years of Jim Crow, do you really think that all of those attitudes that fueled the bigotry, hatred and violence of those eras have completely died out?

I think it's kind of like when the fire is turned off from under a red hot skillet

if you touch it may still burn you, because takes awhile to cool down.

And if you have people who keep relighting the fire, it may never cool all the way down

Checkout this video to see what I mean

lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

sorry for the double post


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mary615 4 years ago from Florida

This Hub just blew me away! I think I live under a rock. First time I have heard of these states wanting to secede! I love Puerto Rico ( as you know), but they want to do the same thing. Some of the people want to be independent, but others realize the folly of that.

Great Hub. I voted it UP, etc. and will share.


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Victoria Lynn 4 years ago from Arkansas, USA

Great job on this hub. You've said a lot of the things I've thought since I heard that nonsense. I didn't realize that people petition after every election!!! I think it's sad. Our nation needs to come together. You said it very well. Sharing! With followers, Facebook, and tweeting.


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

Hi, Even coming from England this sounds totally weird to me, I don't really know what they would get out of it. Its a bit like over here. Scotland wants devolution, same thing, from England, as Wales have, this is okay, do what they want, but it just annoys me that they want our National Health, our College funds and our Council houses though, if they want to get away from Englands influence then they should have their own health, housing and social security, some people just don't think do they? I doubt it will come to anything over there, but its a strange thing to read about, nell


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Sunshine625 4 years ago from Orlando, FL

Secede, also known as sore losers, in my opinion. Wouldn't it just be better if they moved to another country? Either way excellent hub and I'm sure the seceders 15 minutes will be up soon. It made for some funny, yet embarrassing entertainment!


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lrc7815 4 years ago from Central Virginia

Mary, I applaud you for writing about this. It is both frightening and ridiculous. I looked at the petition for my own state and found it quite interesting:

Signatures needed by December 11, 2012 to reach goal of 25,000=

22,284

Total signatures on this petition 2,716

A quick scan shows that only about one-fourth of the signers had the guts to even list their location in the state of Virginia. The remaining three-fourths of the signatures list an address in other states.

This is clearly a result of the ignorant, racist attitude of the Tea Party and it just infurates me. It is the thing that civil wars are made from and these people are stupid enough to start one. What will it take for them to realize that Medicare is a government program, disability is a government program, and welfare is a government program. They are fools in motion.

You did a great job of showing that. Voted up and across (except funny). I am sharing it too.


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RichieMogwai 4 years ago from Vancouver

Wow, what a hub. I never knew American citizens were signing for secession in the modern times. I thought this only happened during the American Civil War. Thanks for the info.


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Happyboomernurse 4 years ago from South Carolina

I so agree with what you said in this sentence, "As with the election, these petitions are drawing attention away from the real issues at hand. Obama's "fiscal cliff" is what the nation should be focusing on."

The secession petitions give voice to an overall sense of frustration that many people feel their needs aren't being met, but as you've stated, things would be a real mess if states were actually allowed to secede.

Still, it's a bit unsettling to think that with computer petitions being so readily accessible there may one day be "viral" sign-ups of millions wishing for their individual states to secede. Now, that would truly be a mess.

Thanks for this thought-provoking hub.

Voted up across the board except for funny.

Hub Hugs,

Gail


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Ms Mary.....You have presented this issue so well......"rationally," which appears to be in a bit of lack these days. Oh, the tantrums, stomping of feet. I see their point...(?)...surely this is the way to unity. If a country is divided, what better way to change this, than to move further and further apart. Yes, of course. Makes perfect sense.

We're aware these petitions are actually statements of OBJECTION!! I think it's rather unfortunate their "bluff' cannot easily be called.....

"OK....you're no longer a part of the United States of America. You are on your own. Good luck and God Bless.......btw, this is not reversible."

Til.....in every State that has filed (or spouted off)....the percentage of population is so small. I really get a kick out of Austin! Oh please.

I never stopped longing for "our era," to return. I wonder.....? can we petition for that?? I'll be first in line!.....Wonderful reading, Til!!!


El Ray 4 years ago

Thank you Tillsontitan for writing this timely and excellent hub article! Voted up + awesome + interesting + useful.

Just before I logged in, I read an article about 7 of the states (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee & Texas) qualifying to receive a response from the White House re: their secession petitions.

Each state can do what they believe is best for them, but as you pointed out, these secession petitions have zero chance of succeeding. Furthermore, the nation is very divided over the re-election of President Obama and we need to stop acting like kids who never learned how to play well with other children, move forward - as a nation, role up our collective sleeves and put in the work to deal with the real issues facing our nation.

Ray


Jayfort 4 years ago

The Obama Administration set up the "We the People" petition site to allow greater access to the President. (Transparency...don't you know.) Of course, these secession petitions are a form of protest to let the President know that many people do NOT support his liberal agenda. Truth be told, the liberals would not want the conservatives to leave the union. Figure out who the bulk of the worker bees are and who is taking the honey and you'll realize as the liberals do that they NEED our money to fund there social programs. I'm writing a Hub on this topic this weekend with a little different slant.


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b. Malin 4 years ago

All this is so Amazing to witness in our Life Time...Who would have thought...and the questions are mind blowing. What happens to S.S. Checks, Medicare, etc., will people in these states still get theirs? Will we wind up with a Revolution...We are such a Divided Country. The Comments your Hub has produced are Wonderful, yet, the idea of all this devision has left me Depressed.


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nanderson500 4 years ago from Seattle, WA

Crazy petitions are circulated all the time, it's probably not worth the fuss to worry about it. This country has been divided politically for a long, long time. Very interesting hub. Voted up and interesting.


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xstatic 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

Re: Jayfort's comment: "There ( their) social programs are OUR social programs, like the ones who will pay for the reconstruction of the destruction in NY & N J, you know where Gov Christie embraced President Obama for the job FEMA was doing? Get real Jayfort, we are a democracy an have each others' backs now matter what color they are!

Oh, you're from Okalahoma, that explains it.


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Debby Bruck 4 years ago

Dear Mary - I had been reading all about the secession protests from all the states and we can see this has been well organized by particular groups who have an agenda. Except, they have no real plan, and this we plainly see by taking it to the nth degree. What happens when they get their wish? Are each of the states then an island that cares only for self, and poorly, at that? What happens metaphorically to the marriage that brought all parties together to create America the beautiful land of the free and the brave?

This entire fiasco just exemplifies the sorry state of all facets of life today. Families in disarray, with parents and children or siblings speaking to each other, unemployment pushing us into depression (mental and emotional), the stresses of natural disaster leaving people to ask, "Is there a God and why did He leave me?" and so many other losses and forms of decay.

People want to start over. In a way, we do need to start over, build a stronger foundation, kick out the corruption, get the people healthy, clean up the environment, etc. Well, you get the picture. The lists can go on and on. That's why people want to secede -- to escape -- to get out -- if you can drug them, then what other way is there? Meanwhile, I live in one of the states that supports 'escape' because of fiscal irresponsibility and making inane laws that state 'the ocean will not rise and there is no such thing as global climate change.' Open your eyes and look around! We need to help each other, not abandon our neighbors.

Okay. Is this a hub? I should have just clicked "start a hub." Boy, I guess you got me going on this one. Have a blessed day, it's time for me to sleep. Hugs, Debby


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Nyamache 4 years ago from Kenya

They say history repeats itself and so it is now repeating itself. This is democracy, but these states should consider how seceding will affect them. It will just divide the United States of America something that will lead it to be a weak nation.


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Jools99 4 years ago from North-East UK

Mary, I am not an American but I still found this hub very, very interesting. Do you think this online petition has given republicans 'in the huff' at losing the presidential election the opportunity to let off steam in a rather extreme way? I cannot conceive of a USA without the U at the beginning of its name - it's politically scary too - I wonder if the rest of the world is as intrigued as I am?


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

VVeasey I really like your analogy...and if you'll pardon my pun, sometimes we are a country of hot heads! That video is horrible...thanks for sharing.

No Mary, you don't live under a rock, it has been kept relatively quiet and you sure don't see it on the news. ..folly's a good word for it.

Thanks Victoria, to quote the Beatles "Come together right now...."

Nell, there are always those who think they can do better but never really think through the consequences...it would be the same here with Medicaid and Social Security and so many other federal programs.

And you Linda (SS)make a very good point, " It made for some funny, yet embarrassing entertainment"...I would just add 'sad' to the list.

Linda, "Frightening and ridiculous" two very appropriate descriptors. I believe some of the petitioners didn't even use their full names! "Fools in motion" is another great phrase.

Richie from Vancouver, I thought secession only happened during the Civil War too...until I found out about this attempt.

Gail, like everyone else here, your comment is so true. There are so many frustrations with our government and our country right now but we all know there's gotta be a better way ... just the act of these petitions is counter-productive (not to mention embarrassing).

Effer it was difficult to be rational with such an irrational subject...I love your way of thinking and the thought of saying, "Yes, your petition is granted" may even have passed the President's mind...can you imagine! Count me second on the era thing, you KNOW I'm right there with you GF!

ElRay, how right you are...everyone needs to go back to Kindergarten and re-learn how to play with others ;)

Jayfort the President's aim in setting up the web site, I believe is a noble one, there's nothing wrong with transparency in government. We all need our money to fund our federal programs, (not to mention state programs).. thanks for stopping by. I'll have to look for your hub.

I know, bmalin, who would have ever thought? I'm sure anyone with half a brain is depressed and embarrassed by some of the people in our country right now.

Nanderson you too are so right, crazy petitions are circulated all the time but I think this catches attention because of the number of signatures in some areas. I believe Texas now has 101,328...while it is a pittance compared to the population of Texas, it is a lot of signatures when a 25,000 signature petition is a valid one that must be answered. It is definitely food for thought and makes a great hub :)

Heaven save us from ourselves!

Hear that sound Xstatic? It is me clapping my hands!

Wow Debby! I guess I fired you up on this one....it actually looks like the start of a darn good hub you got going there! "We need to help each other, not abandon our neighbors." The aftermath of Sandy in my area has shown we can do that...we do it when there is a catastrophe, but now we need to learn to do it all the time. Hope you had a good night's sleep! Have a great day.

Nyamache, I think the weakness lies in the inability of these people to put aside their differences and work toward fixing what is wrong and making this Country stronger not weaker!

Yes, this is a strange way of letting off steam, stamping your feet, picking up your toys and going home, and any darn way to get attention because we lost and we're mad kinda move Jools. I wonder too, is the rest of the world intrigued or laughing at us?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

tillsontitan

Magnificent Response to everyone!


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Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

What a great read ;so interesting.I vote up and share.

Eddy.


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KT Banks 4 years ago from Texas

As a Citizen of these United States, and as a TEXAN - I am embarrassed. Even more than that, I am ashamed of these people. When the going gets tough ... what? You want to cut and run??? I'm too upset about this to say much more at this time - I think it would turn into a rant, and this isn't the place for it.

Thanks for writing this. Voted Up and more.


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cleaner3 4 years ago from Pueblo, Colorado

Mary ,great hub. well written and contains many thought proving statements (especially from the hubbers) .

These states cannot seceede ,but in actuallity the secession that precipitated the civil war also was not legal ,ie; the civil war.

our country is in the most divided period in our history , but it isn't because of racism or slavery or civil rights as many who populate the hubs and else where espouse. This division is about the power of Govt and states rights. the federal govt isn't and doesn't recognize the people any more and these people see that the federal govt is out of control with massive spending and will soon bankrupt our country.

The politicians who are suppposed to represent the people at the federal level have forgotten why we send them to Washington. this is the problem, the govt elite play us off one another to keep us divided so they can go on padding their wallets at the taxpayers expense .

We are in trouble in The United States of America and when the people realize it, we will be to late . I pray for the next generation of Americans who voted for big govt not understanding that they sold themselves down the river believing the political lies that said believe in us ... All willl be well .


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

Eddy glad you found it interesting.

Well watch out Texas....KT's on the right track and gonna bring you with it! You're welcome to rant anytime you want.

That's our problem Mike, division and crooked politicians. We pray...all will be well, Amen.


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gregas 4 years ago from Corona, California.

This is a very interesting subject. First of al individual states don't have a military power to defend themselves. Other countries, Iran for one, would swarm in and take over any "state" that wasn't already taken.

I see this as one of two things.

1. Radicals attempting to stir up trouble.

2. Americans trying to get the rest of the country out of their Rip Van Winkle sleep.

I really hope it is the latter but deep down I believe it is the first. My opinion, Greg


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

I wouldn't be surprised if you were write Gregas! We really need to get this country together and get back to grassroots!


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gregas 4 years ago from Corona, California.

There is a lot to be said for the old saying " United We Stand, Divided We Fall." Greg


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Alecia Murphy 4 years ago from Wilmington, North Carolina

Sunshine said it best : SORE LOSERS. Your candidate lost, build a bridge and get over it. If this happened after Bush won in '04 people would have said it was unpatriotic since we were in the midst of the Iraq war which I would agree with. I understand people don't like what's happening but instead of focusing your energies in the wrong place by seceding, how about coming together so we can actually look like a real functioning country, not a populace of demographics. Excellent hub!


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rcrumple 4 years ago from Kentucky

Mary - I hate the new 24 hour notification system that doesn't notify you period half the time. I'd have never put out my hub if I'd have known you'd done this one. My apologies, even though we both took different approaches at the topic. I'm going to link yours to mine, if you don't mind, so folks can get a serious view as well. Again, my apologies. Btw, Great Job on yours!


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byshea 4 years ago

Great hub! I think what many people may be missing about this is that the actions are mostly symbolic. Some people are shouting out "sore losers" when many fail to realize it was a close election and that Obama only received 51% of the vote. That's hardly a mandate. He wouldn't be in for a 2nd term if he hadn't run such and effective campaign. 48% of America voted against him. This was a polarizing election for many people on both sides of the isle.

As far as transparency goes, it would be much better if the President didn't pick and choose what to be transparent with. He might have more of the people buying into that policy if he followed it all the time instead of when it benefited him, but that's politics for you.

When you think about it, this country is being transformed just as Obama said he wanted and a large number of people think that this transformation is not for the better. Others say that that those who aren't happy are either racist or only want a "white man" in the white house. Does anyone besides me think that this is shallow thinking?

And think about this...... When was the last time this nation had all 50 states petition to secede right after an election if at all? I feel that that in itself is a powerful statement and a testament to the turmoil we as a country are going through. It was President Kennedy who stated; “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.” It seems to me that the opposite of that quote is far more accurate for our times.


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

The key from all points of view Alecia, seems to be "come together"..no matter who the President, no matter what your beliefs, we are "ONE nation"!

Oh dear Rich, no need to apologize. Link away....I'll head on over to read yours as well!

byshea, I'm glad you enjoyed my hub. While the actions may be symbolic, they often speak louder than words. We don't need petitions to know this country is in turmoil that's for sure. We can only provide support and pray things start getting better.


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marcoujor 4 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

Dear Mary,

I actually like that you and Rich published at the same time... Because whether a serious presentation or a tongue-in-cheek humorous approach, this issue is a sad state of affairs.

You did a thoughtful job in dissecting this subject showing your loyal and beautiful heart. Voted UP and UABI. Hugs, Maria


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Au fait 4 years ago from North Texas

Think you hit the nail on the head. The secession movement, regardless of what Party the petitioners belong to, or which president they are/were objecting to, are having a mass temper tantrum. Frankly, many 2-year olds act more mature. What a waste of time and money that could be used for something constructive.

A few people have reacted to elections in pretty much this same manner over the years and despite their convictions that the USA would be destroyed because their favored candidate lost, here we still are, and we turned 234 on July 4, 2012. Not a great age compared to some other countries, but pretty old given that some people have always been convinced after an election that this country would self-destruct due to voting the wrong man into the presidency.

Yes, byshea, it was a close election of the popular vote, but the electoral vote -- the only one that matters -- was a huge landslide. ;)

Voted up, interesting, and awesome!


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

Maria, you are so great! Compliment Rich and I both when I'm still wondering if we've even got all our marbles :0 Have a beautiful day!

Good point Au Fait, here we still are! We have survived past elections and we will survive this one too!


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

This is an extremely well-written, well -argued HUb and I am in total agreement with your observations. What a great pity that people have noting better or constructive to do with their time than to write foolish secession petitions. Americans have had it so good for so long, most of us don;t even realize how blessed and protected we are.

Apparently the horrors that tear apart and destroy other nations are not sufficient to help us appreciate what we have got (with all its problems). And your essay prompted a terrific group of thoughtful responses. In my class you would get an A++. Great work! :)


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midget38 4 years ago from Singapore

Wow. I am not from the US but as an onlooker from SIngapore I find the thought of such division a little frightening. I do hope that problems will be solved amicably. On another note, this was thought provoking and insightful, Mary! A wonderful hub, which I share.


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Jackwms 4 years ago

Thursday morning, in central Lacey, Washington, we observed some very large anti Obama posters, plaques, and signs situated on a sidewalk. One poster had a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache; another sign said "Obama Mass Murderer"; a couple other signs said "Impeach Obama, pull over and sign here" . It appeared to be part of some group effort.

Washington is a very blue state, especially on this side of the Cascades, so this doesn't represent the views of the majority.

I think the more intelligent among us find this abhorrent.

Why must we continue to have this hate rhetoric and racism? President won re election by a vote of the people, including myself, and a majority of the electoral college.


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

Theresa thank you so much for the A++, what an honor. I'm glad you understood my observations...everyone has the right to freedom of speech and certainly thought, but do we want to use it to bring down our nation?

Michelle, I doubt any of these petitions will get anywhere but it is a shame that they even exist...it is just more division when we need to rally as one nation.

Jack, you are so right. He is the President, he hasn't done anything illegal or in violation of the Constitution, so live with it! Give the man a chance and say a prayer he is successful.


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hawaiianodysseus 4 years ago from Southeast Washington state

Thank you, Washington state, for not wanting to secede from the Union. Shame on you, Hawai'i, for voting to do just that! The President is OHANA, after all.

I love my country and am grateful for all the men and women who serve(d) to protect our national sovereignty. I am so very disappointed in the narcissists who wish to destroy that sovereignty with their Internet "pens."


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Jackwms 4 years ago

hawaiianodysseus , not a big deal. My wife and I lived in Kauai for nearly 3 years and usually spend a few weeks each year in the islands. Rest assured, Hawaii is a very blue state and the vast majority of Hawaiians are proud to have a president from Hawaii. The gift shops are full of memorabilia attesting to that fact. Hawaii didn't vote to secede. The so called secessionists were a relative handful. For what it's worth, Washington state also had it's own secessionist group.


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

Hawaiianodysseus, Jack is right...I think that is the case in every state...the normal everyday citizen loves his country and secession has never entered his head. It is a political maneuver that is just a scare tactic.


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hawaiianodysseus 4 years ago from Southeast Washington state

Thanks for setting me straight on what's really going on, Jackwms and tillsontitan. I was just so flabbergasted after reading your wonderfully written report, tillsontitan, and so shocked that all I could see was red. You did a marvelous job with this hub, and I apologize for not having told you so in my earlier comment. Again, thanks for shedding new light on this issue.


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pramodgokhale 4 years ago from Pune( India)

Why Americans are revolving around such destructive ideas?

USA has many strong fundamentals and they can easily restructure if anything wrong with the system.

I am an Indian , we have 30 states and fourteen regional languages but we kept our federation intact and is going strong .before leaving British imperialist tried everything to disintegrate our nation. Yes we have difference like water sharing , development plans, center-state rift but we resolve within our constitutional frame.So far we are able to find solutions.Ours is a most mismanaged country then also we are intact and never imagine secession, because our forefathers fought for it and and existence as a nation is important.

USA should go fro hot decision, it will affect global economy and set up

thank you for the hub

pramod gokhale


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York Author

I chuckled when I read your response Hawaiiandodysseus...I had the same original reaction! Glad we could drag you in ;)

Pramodgokhale, you are so right...unity and cooperation. Not all people in this country are politically insane, most of us realize what we have and are trying to get our politicians to put things back the way they were!

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