World on the Move: Seeking Greener Pastures

Thousands fight for better conditions

India's other face:  The horrific slums
India's other face: The horrific slums | Source
Illegal immigrants board truck to take ferry to Dover, in the UK from Calais, France
Illegal immigrants board truck to take ferry to Dover, in the UK from Calais, France | Source

Fighting For Greener Pastures

Immigration and Population Density

One of our leading talking heads on Sky News, complaining about UK population this morning, said, "Anyone can see there are too many people here!" And he went on to say that no one in government will tell it like it is. With a general election next May, our Cunning Conservatives are steering the raft adroitly down the rapids and only doing or saying anything that might garner an extra few votes. With Labor and Tory locked on around 33% of the vote and UKIP threatening from the wings on about 15% with the Liberal half of the shaky ruling coilition way down with less than 10% and fading.

Immigration is the hot ticket and the PM is assuring the electorate he is

"Doing something about it," and meanwhile doing just about nothing.

The mass movement of peoples seeking a better life - any life - will be the all consuming problem of the world for the foreseeable future. No one will starve, or see their family suffer, without trying to jump ship from the misery surrounding them in Africa and other centers of woe. Many will die trying to reach Europe and millions more will be turned back or confined to immigration prisons. But still the numbers will swell in countries like the US and the UK where the human rights of the oppressed and underpriviledged are considered - not to mention the use of their numbers where garnering votes are concerned, (Be nice to the illegals and their countrymen here legally will vote for you!).

The numbers of people crammed thigh to thigh and cheek to cheek in some countries and their cities are astounding. The USA with their 300 million are now at around 84 folks per square mile. And they have around 3 million square miles to spread out in. Compare that with the poor old squashed cuzzies in the UK: Sixty million residents in just 93 thousand square miles giving us 650 citizens crammed into each square mile.

Only the Dutch are worse off in the EEU at an incredible 1200 plus per square mile - no wonder they are reclaiming new land from the sea all the time - they need it! And yet they are so smart and well organized you rarely hear the Dutch loudly complaining, but that can't last.

One country that squeaks a lot is France and I was surprised to find their density in only about half of ours in Britain. We have a battle going on at the French ports where the ferries stop as illegals in the hundreds are being chased by the gendarmes as they head for the docks to hide in or under trucks bound for Britain, sometimes assaulting and threating the drivers under attack. The mantra among all illegals heading for Europe is "Get to Britain which is soft and where welfare is easy to get." We have probably around 3 million illegal or quasi-legal immigrants here and the governemnt has housed thousands of them. No one has any real idea of their numbers or what to do about it, but many towns are choked with both legal and illegal foreign residents. That is not to mention the 150,000 "asylum seekers," most of whom have faded into the woodwork making it an impossible task to round them up or even consider their cases.

All members of European Union countries, or course, are entitled to come to the UK or go to any other Union country they wish! Imagine, cousins, if Central and South American citizens were legally allowed to live and work in the United States! This is the problem, to a lesser extent or course, facing Britain, Germany and France as less well off members flood here from places like Rumania and the rest. Add this flood to the illegal Africans, etc., making their way by boat and truck across to, or around, Europe to share in what they perceive is bounty lying on the streets.

And when your home has been a filthy mud hut in some of Africa's worst areas, or some disease-struck Asian slum, to be given hundreds of pounds a week and a free house to live, plus free medical, because we can't deport you must seem like bounty!

India used to supply a huge proportion of legal immigrants to the UK and the second and third generations are a huge and mainly welcome part of our culture now. But India, despite the burgeoning growth over the last 20 years, is now on the edge of disaster. It is a large country, but there is now more than 1000 people per square mile making a total of approaching 1.3 billion! No nation has a divide between the haves and have nots like India's! On the one hand there are the parks, hotels and skyscrapers, on the other miles of teeming ghettoes where those lucky enough to have jobs cycle or cab for hours to work for the rich.

China's numbers per square mile might seem reasonable at around 365, but it is a huge nation: compare it with some of the great continents and countries: Canada has 9 people per square mile; Australia, big as the US, about the same. And they are all congregated in five centers. Some nations, like the US, Canada and Australia, are not menaced by way of the oceans due to the distances and those in the US are likely to want to stay there, not go further north.

The United States does have the porous souther border with Mexico (and all points south), but the fence is becoming more af a reality and obstacle each year and will eventually contain much of this problem. It might be too late, though, as Hispanics are a force in the South and South West.

Please note number quoted are approximate...I have not attempted to list the world's countries, with densities, etc., as all this is available online

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Au fait 2 years ago from North Texas

You outlined the problem well, but where is the solution? It simply isn't tenable to move all poor people to the U.S. and the U.K. It is good to bring as many drowning victims into your lifeboat as possible, but it has a limit before the lifeboat sinks too. Makes more sense to help these people develop their own countries and keep them where they are.

Surprised to see you after such a long time. Guess all must be well with you or you wouldn't have written a new article. As you must know HP has just recently acquired Squidoo and major updates to the site are underway. Some hubbers believe that is the reason pageviews have dropped considerably for a lot of people and earnings have also dropped through the basement floor -- and they weren't that good to start with.

Good to see you here again, Bobby. Take care . . .


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi dear. Nice to see you too. The solution may not be found amongst those who govern, teach and philosophize. Like the university rats, man's treatment of his fellows may end up decimating our populations. Every disaster, natural or man made, takes its toll today as someone is always near. Look at ebola, barely contained at present, and there are many more old foes waiting in the wings.

Yes, sweetie I am much better with the diabetes well controlled.

Hope all is better with you? I had no idea about Squidoo, etc. I doubt if I will write much any more but depends on a few factors

Take care

R ox


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona

Bob, If you changed just a few of the words this hub could have been about the USA. The often asked but never answered question is what happens when we "run out of money?" Even in nature parasites eventually kill the host.

Good to see you on here again and I hope life is treating you well.


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi OP: Good to hear from you. It was a trite hub really: its all been said before and better, but I needed the practice! Hope life is good with you

Bob


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona

Life is great Bob. This retirement is as good as they promised. Any chance you will ever head for Mexico again?


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

I have had a bad year, but OK now. (Diabetes). I am hoping to go this year; I also have more modest plans nearer home. Are you still down there in the winter?

Bob


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moonfroth 2 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

Bob--great to see you again. Send anyone who wants to come, to Canada. Second largest country in the world, greatest volume of fresh water in the world, hockey and Celine Dion....what more could anyone want of life? The fact that 95% of our land mass is locked in ice and snow and well-below zero most of the time, is a minor consideration. Then there's the fact that we'd require these Newbies to live in the Far North for 5 years, wearing ankle bracelets that will make them throw up if they even THINK of moving down to southern Canada, where it's just as cold, mind you, but there are more wine bars, available firewood, and quick flights to Jamaica. No, no--they gotta stay up there, 'cause Heaven knows WE won't go there at all........


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona

Bob, glad to hear your recovering OK. No, I am pretty much staying around home these days. My wife has some health issues that force us to stay somewhere near adequate healthcare facilities, and Mexico is not real US friendly these days. Let me know if you do head to Mexico and I might pay you a visit.


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hiya Clark...long time no see. Careful! There are millions who would jump at the chance to get to Canada any part: snow, ice, polar bears, gay eskimos, you name it. We would happily send you a coupla million; lovely contrast to that white, white snow!

Canada is one of the last frontiers, maybe the only one...

Take care, Bob


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

OP, health care is one of the only reasons I stay here, too. It costs a fortune to be a diabetic! All free in the UK. Bob


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cathylynn99 2 years ago from northeastern US

sorry to hear of your illness, bob. glad it's better controlled.


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moonfroth 2 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

Free in Canada too, baby!


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Thanks cathylynn...have you written about diabetes?

Bob


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

I hope it works better in Canada than here where it's mired in controversy, Clark

Bob


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JamaGenee 2 years ago from Central Oklahoma

A great, well-written hub! For comparison's sake, England and the U.S. state of Kansas are roughly the same size, but most of Kansas is "empty" population-wise. France is just slightly bigger or smaller (I can't recall which now) than Texas, but I'm guessing Texas's PPSM (population per square mile) is about the same, mostly because the Lone Star state's residents are concemtrated in and around the largest cities (Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston).

Yes, it makes much more sense to invest in raising the living conditions of the countries from which immigrants flee than trying to make room for them in the UK and the U.S.

As for the UK's immigration policy, that's a particular pet peeve of mine since my ancestry is nearly 90% Brit, yet being a granddaughter of a former Brit-born citizen gets me no points over non-Brits from EU or Commonwealth countries. So much for "Brit blood always finds its way home". Well, I'd LOVE to "go home", but unless I win a monster lottery to show I won't be a (financial) burden on The System, that'll remain a pipe dream. Sigh...

Upped and shared! ;D


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cathylynn99 2 years ago from northeastern US

haven't written about DM. but if you have questions, ask away.


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old albion 2 years ago from Lancashire. England.

Hi Bob. nicely researched as usual. I always find your work interesting. Yes in the uk it is the numbers not the ethnicity.

Graham.


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi buddy. Thanks for visit and comment...Bob


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moonfroth 2 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

Bob--

As far as I can determine, if a diabetic has landed immigrant, or some other kind of permanent resident status in Canada, and has been resident in a given province (except Quebec) for six continuous months, they get full coverage for treatment, medication, therapy. and surgeries, if necessary. HP won't let me give you links, but just google specific Provinces for health care coverage.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

If the problem is migrating from poor countries to wealthy countries, then the solution is to create wealth in poor countries. After all, wealthy countries won't be wealthy for long after taking in millions of uneducated and unskilled dependents to care for.


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moonfroth 2 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

It's a problem with no apparent solution,Will. About 50 years ago Stats Canada produced some alarming numbers: the old mostly rural Canada, peopled by families with 6, 8, 10+ children to ONE mother, was moribund. Modern Canadian women simply were not interested in sustaining the breeding machine roles of their mothers and grandmothers. Canada was on the brink of zero population growth. People who actually study that stuff, tell us that no nation in the history of the world has survived and prospered on zero population growth . So for a couple of decades we threw open the doors and. Man! did they come! I don't have exact immigration figures in front of me, but Canada's population shortly after WWII was 13,700,000 (1951), it is now 33, 700,000 (2011). Asians and East Indians account for a HUGE slice of that growth, with further significant contributions from every country in Europe, plus the U.S. Without immigration, our country would have died. Canada is now the most multi-cultural country in the world, and for the most part the country has benefitted from this influx. We no longer permit a primary immigrant to 'trickle' his family of 15 into the country over a number of years, nor do we admit unskilled people who will just drain social services. I'm not sure where I'm going with all this. I do think we stopped an influx of unskilled immigrants who had little to offer.


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Old Poolman 2 years ago from Rural Arizona

moonfroth - It sounds to me like Canada did it right.


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Genna East 2 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

Bob, you have presented disturbing facts that are impossible to ignore. This is a well-written, thought provoking hub.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

moonfroth,

We are all immigrants and my grandfather's side came first from Scotland to your own Canada and then to Iowa. My grandmother's side have been here since the 1600's.

My wife is a labor and delivery nurse in a hospital, and over 50% of the deliveries are now for non-residents, paid for by taxpayers, and their babies are US citizens which taxpayers must help support until they are 18.

Most illegals are uneducated and unskilled, so they will be new members of America's growing dependent class.


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diogenes 2 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Thanks all for great comments and a Happy Christmas! Bob

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