Olmert Bragging About Forcing Secretary Rice to Change Her Vote on U.N. Resolution

Glenn Greenwald on Ideology--Pragmatism--War

Christopher Hayes, in a 12-29 The Nation article entitled "The Pragmatist," [Obama] quotes Glenn Greenwald:

"For one thing, as Glenn Greenwald has astutely pointed out on his blog, while ideology can lead decision-makers to ignore facts, it is also what sets the limits of decision-making for pragmatism. 'Presumably, there are instances when a proposed war might be very pragmatically beneficial in promoting our national self-interes,' Greenwald worte, 'but is still something that we ought not to do. Why? Because as a matter of principle--of ideology--we believe that it is not just to do it, no matter how many benefits we might reap, no matter how much it might advance our 'national self-interest.'"

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Masters of War--Bob Dylan

We Will All Go Together When We Go--Tom Lehrer

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ColdWarBaby 7 years ago

Thank you Ralph.

That eulogy always brings tears.

The only thing that gives me even a little hope is remembering what history tells us of the fate of all the would-be masters that have gone before. With any luck this will be the first global revolution, which will finally unite humanity and, at long last, put an end to the cycle, making it the last rebellion.

May all future revolutions be those of discovery and enlightenment.


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Mighty Mom 7 years ago from Where Left is Right, CA

Just when we thought things couldn't possibly get any worse. Could Bush have possibly left a bigger mess for Obama to clean up????

God bless the Palestinians and the Israelis. War is not the answer. Never was. Never will be. MM


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robie2 7 years ago from Central New Jersey

I don't see a way out of this one for anybody. It's just awful and taking place as it is in the interval between Bush and Obama, it's kind of no holds barred. I am watching the whole thing unfold with horrer. There is no answer to this conflict. It is really a territorial dispute with each side saying "this is my land so you get out"

I'm an old Tom Lehrer fan too-- maybe this one is appropriate right now:-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAEmhqdLFs


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago Author

Thanks, all. Great video Robie! (You're giving away your age!)


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G-Ma Johnson 7 years ago from NW in the land of the Free

OMG is 2012 the end???This is all just too much...Pray G-Ma :o) Hugs & Peace


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

Ralph- What you are concluding is that Israel reacted so quickly in Gaza because Bush's term is coming to an end? But usually the official US government stand is always leaning towards Israel. Is their going to be a change when Obama is at the helm?


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago Author

I hope so. I can't imagine that Obama won't assume a more neutral policy. The basic policy of the U.S. supporting the independence and security of Israel is not likely to change. I hope Obama will work much harder to achieve pease in Palestine than Bush did.


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

And as for the first part of my question: Was the Israel strikes influenced by Bush's term ending? Do you mean that could be a major reason for the swiftness in Israel's actions.

Also I feel when two sides don't see eye to eye then peace is always a difficult possibility. Both sides have mutual distrust and maybe France or some other country would be considered as neutral rather than US at this moment by the Palestinians. And also in some hubs/forums I have read some Americans feel that we should side with God and God has his hands on Israel. Does theological thinking like that have any influence on foreign policy?

Well I don't have much knowledge about foreign policy just watch a little bit of news in CNN hence can you please educate me.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

I think it is related to elections. But not US elections - there are upcoming elections in Israel...


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Lgali 7 years ago

this very sad innocent are killed again


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago Author

That's true. Very sad! And Israel's government has been in disarray for months. The prime minister may end up in jail for cheating on his expense reports. WRT the connection to U.S. elections, I think that may have been a factor. Obama's Israel policy is likely to be less tilted toward Israel than Bush's. He will be more neutral without moving away from the basic U.S. policy of supporting the independence and security of Israel. I expect him to pursue much more actively a permanent peace for Palestine.


linda 7 years ago

Here is what I think: the escalation of rockets into Gaza was because Iran told them to send them. 80 of them I believe Christmas Day, The price of oil is so low that Iran needs money and orchestrated this escalation to drive the price of oil up.

I believe Israel is right in trying to stop these terrorists. Why do they store their rockets in residential areas and then say Israel is bomving our residential areas?

Why do they store their bombs in schools and then say Israel is destoying out schools?

Someone has to stand up to these terrorists and put a stop to their bullying. I imagine Ralph if your home was bombed for no reason you would forgive the bombers. I imagine Ralph when the bombers then went to your childrens homes and bombed their homes you would forgive them; and talk peace with them for decades while they continued to blow up your grandchildren's school bus and the grocery store where Tucker shops...you will still have peace talks and then Ralph they blow up your sail boats by a suicide bomber but you say what the heck I will go talk peace with them.

The bottom line in my opinion is that Israel is making the whole world safer by what they are doing. Hopefully, oil will drop and these terrorists countries will not get our money and we will start using natural gas which we have plenty of right here in the us for transportation. Israel will destroy the tunnels that help bring arms to them and Israel will destroy the infrastructure and them maybe just maybe the Palestinians will say is this worth it? Should we just not live in Peace? Should Arafar have signed the Peace Agreement that would have precented all this or is their monetary gains for few at the sacrifice of so many.

Someone has to stand up to them and thankgoodness we have Israel. This has nothing to do with Bush leaving office but rather the price of oil dropping from 147 to 33...and once again manipulation by terrorists to drive the price back up to sustain their abilty to supply arms all over the world to terrorists.

It is late and I am not proof reading what I wrote but thankgoodness for Israel...Israel has talked enough.

By the way terrorists sent bomb threats into two Indian Corporations today Infosystems and Wipro...maybe Indian should sit down and talk too...it is to late for the Rabbai and his wife in India to talk isn't it?

Once again...Go Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago Author

I haven't been able to find anything on the Internet about recent Israeli casualties from Hamas rockets. Here's a link to a BBC report and videohttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7805842.stm

Israel's response is the equivalent of responding to a peashooter attack with machine guns and poison gas. I Israel is making a big mistake that will make them an international pariah, in my opinion. Out of domestic Israeli political motivess they took the bait put out by Hamas. Perhaps they wanted to take the action in the waning days of the friendly Bush administration also.

Here's an interesting report on the number of Israeli casualties due to Arab rockets: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/27683/42/


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago Author

"Once again. Go Israel!!!!!!!" Linda, we're not talking about a football game!

Here's what this morning's NYTimes editorial had to say in part:

The longer the Israeli incursion, the more casualties mount (550 Palestinians and 5 Israelis have died so far); the more Hamas’s popularity grows among its supporters; the more moderate Arab states, which have correctly blamed Hamas for ending a six-month cease-fire, are alienated; and the more regional instability is fueled.

It will also make it harder for President-elect Barack Obama to pick up the pieces of peacemaking when he takes office on Jan. 20.

Israel, aided by the United States, Europe and moderate Arab states, must try to end this conflict as soon as possible and in a way that increases the chances for negotiating a broad regional peace.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago Author

Olmert doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut! Israel is digging itself into a deep hole and dragging the U.S. along with it!

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