Should America Rise Up?

Well, should we rise up? I think we ought to evaluate each protest, individually.For example, during the civil rights demonstrations, Americans rose up to protest slavery and advocate for equal rights. Oppression had lasted for far too long. It may have taken some people nearly 200 years to come to that conclusion, but Martin Luther King, Jr. was able to 'convince' the remaining non-believers that all men were equal and that racial equality was in our best interests.

Fast Forward to today's OWS protests. This is legal assembly and a guaranteed right, guaranteed freedom of speech. To some, demonstrating against corporate greed is no different than demonstrating against racial inequality.However, I don't think we ought to demonstrate any longer.

Why not? Today, the country is more polarized than I've ever seen. People who disagree with each other on an issue, DON'T sit down together for dinner, family members DON'T talk, friends ARE alienated. They are not compromising and compromise is what we must have. If John Adams and crew never compromised, where would we be now?

"But if I don't rise up in protest," how will others know that I disagree with 'x'?" Trust me, after 6-8 weeks, if the public doesn't know of your protest, they won't ever know. But what I do believe strongly is that when you add dissent to the amount of polarization we have now, you can get a recipe for disaster, potentially another civil war.

There are those who think we need another Civil War. Does America need to be brought to its knees again? There is no Abraham Lincoln waiting in the wings to bring the nation out of the carnage of a civil war. A 21st century civil war in which the country is so polarized wouldn't look at all like the 19th century civil war.


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American Romance 5 years ago from America

No Abraham Lincoln?........must not be listening to Herman Cain??

No one with common sense will ever take the OWStreeters seriously, they stink, they are dressed like hippies, they urinate openly, they are smoking pot openly and having sex on the ground! Not to mention they are now getting violent! Compare this group to the Tea Party, Clean, orderly, nice looking, only using the voting booth to change the way they think, etc! The TeaParty represents conservative America, The OWStreeters represent the Democrat party of today...........disgusting


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American View 5 years ago from Plano, Texas

Should we rise up? Absolutly!!! Is OWS doing it correctly? Hell NO!!!! While at the root of all protest is a message, they are indeed political. In the case of OWS it had a prupose until too many factions wanted to be in charge and the event became political without a message. Think of the movements and protests you cited in your article. Take MLK, do you think he held a couple of parades gave one speech and poof, civil rights was achieved? Another Hell NO!! Civil rights took a long time and alot of work by many to accomplish the mission. But it was not all taking to the streets, there was a strong organization conducting many behind the scene activities. Why? Because they were well organized and were persuing ONE cause to bring to fruition. They were sucessful and should show to properly uprise to make a change. OWS is nothing like that and hence why they will fail.

But organized uprisings can be small and be sucessful. That is why American View and Housefire Project have joined forces to address Congress and the President with ideas of real world solutions. Should anyone wnat to make a difference, contact either one for more information.


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teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago Author

I agree that organized protests can be successful. But, I also think there's a time and place for organized protests and right now, I see our country as a bit too fragile and polarized.

I think what we should use as our barometer as to whether or not we should protest (sure, it's our right and all) is IS THE PROTEST GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY There's a purpose to the OWS protest, but my feeling is that having a legal purpose is NOT enough,

"But organized uprisings can be small and be sucessful. " Yes, they can; but just because they CAN, doesn't make it RIGHT TO PROTEST. I think that an organization 'shoots itself in the foot' if it protests and the atmosphere or climate for a protest isn't right, as the authors sit by.

So, I've no doubt that organized uprisings can be successful but we need to think twice. Just because they are our right, doesn't always make them right!


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American View 5 years ago from Plano, Texas

Team,

Absolutly, just because they can sucessful does not make them right.

Let me give an example. Lets say I come up with a good plan to help say people facing foreclosure( Ok I admit this may be a little self promotion for I am working on something right now and should have it published by the end of the day). My group agrees it is a good idea, maybe it needs a few tweeks we cna amend as we begin. We can email our friends about our idea and ask them to spread the word. I can contact some banks to see if they would be open to such a plan. The rest of my group and all its contacts can begin to call, email their local congressman about this idea. I of course will send each one an outline of this proposal as well as the actual proposal to submit. We get the conversation started. We attend the local party meetings, the monthly Repub and Dems meetings. we push the idea. At that point we can hold a small gathering or protest if that is what one wants to call it. That can be small, on the only point we gathered for, and perhaps the idea gets attention not just from the people, but from the Congressman who need to address it. THat to me is how even in todays polarized ways one can be sucessful.


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Topnewhottoys 5 years ago from Salisbury, Maryland

Protests serve a valid purpose in our system of societal governance, but it is the protester's actions that validate their legitimacy.

Not to pick a side - but they serve to make the point:

The Tea party people, had its share of kooks, (as does any large group), but their actions, ie. voicing specific complaints, respecting the rights of the people and areas of their gatherings, being smart enough to have a beginning and an end, and, -this is no small point relative to validating their legitimacy in the eyes of the world - they didn't trash their venues.

on the other hand - the Wall Street protesters....

I believe there is a problem there, and the protesters could have validated their efforts if only they had protested rationally. But instead - they are only a mob. They have no respect for the rights of others, ie. trashing their venues, they have no coherent voice, other than "I want yours", and they have allowed themselves to be manipulated by groups that DO NOT share the interests of protesters, but are using them to promote their own agendas.

Protest/ Sure, just be smart and don't piss-off the people you are trying to reach.

GA


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teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago Author

GA,

"Protest/ Sure, just be smart and don't piss-off the people you are trying to reach." Like the small business owner who has a diner on WS? Most of the people who work on WS don't make NEAR the $$ that the OWS protestors are making.

Secretary pool makes 'x' and janitors on the floor don't make much, either. The stockholders, etc; and they're not even there! Match the 'goal' of the protestors to where that goal organizes and you'd find the OWS protesters in Washington, DC.

It was the government that allowed the excesses that OWS protest, so the group should target THE GOVERNMENT,


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teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago Author

Dear A Romance,

I'm not agin Herman Cain, but I wonder what uniquenss he brings. Never having held political office can be both a blessing and a curse. You don't OWE anyone, but then again people don't OWE you anything.

Then again, I'm sure that's the way to get things done, not to be beholden to special interest groups. Does HC have:

http://www.whatsoproudlywehail.org/curr/second-ina...


SeAn Onymous 5 years ago

If you want to join a revolution worth "rising up" for, support and vote for Ron Paul 2012.

His top 3 supporters are the U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force. He received more support from the military than all GOP candidates combined (with 71% of all military donations, Cain was 2nd with 13%), and even more than President Obama.

I am not against the OWS protest and not against the Tea Party. I think we should stop arguing at who is more "peaceful" during these protests and start thinking about what ALL of us can do to "rise up" against the major corporations who are ruining this free country.

RON PAUL 2012


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teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago Author

I'm not endorsing one particular candidate over another; rather I intended this hub to address the value of protests. Even thought protests is our right under the Constitution, I think we have to determine if the TIME is right for protesting. And I don't think this is the time.

Does that mean sit idly by and let government run all over you? Heck no. You can still make your point by talking, writing letters. BUT THINK of what is best for your country before you act.

I think the OWS crowd would be wise, unless they're going to change and have an organized protest, to drop their legal right to protest: in search of what is best for the country. If unorganized protest moves towards chaos in a divisive and polarized political climate like this, will we have another Greece on our hands?

If the OWS protesters could make their points without violence like the Tea Party protesters, I'd say go for it and let the legislators know the things that they're irritated about and why. But, OWS is NOT protesting constructively, so they should be in the letter-writing business.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Can there be any compromise with the left when they openly admit that individual freedom is not as important as big government socialism? Can we make a deal with those who continually chip away at our freedoms and rights, one compromise at a time?

This country was founded on the concept of as much individual freedom and liberty as possible. The Founding Fathers treasured the natural and inalienable rights endowed by our Creator, and protected them in the Bill of Rights. But now, those same rights are being undermined by leftist-invented 'rights' that usurp real rights.

The left now makes the absurd claim that those who did nothing to earn it have more right to someone's property than the one who did earn it!

How do we compromise with that? And why should we?


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teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago Author

I look for compromise WHEN IT CAN BE HAD. When reasonable heads make reasonable attempts to do just that, COMPROMISE. I don't see the left making reasonable attempts to compromise, Will; and sadly, there are some on the right who don't know how to do it.

By not standing up and pointing out to the left wing media the programs they have offered, the compromises that they've attempted to make, by standing up to the David Gregorys and saying, "you misstated my position: and until you state it correctly this interview will not continue;" the Republicans look like they block very attempts that Harry Reid makes. THey continue to shoot iteslf in the foot.

We all see that Rick Perry and Mitt Romney disagree. But, Rick Perry did himself no favors and dragged the Republican party into the ditch with his behavior. More fodder for the Left. The longer the Rs let this drag out, and we're still a year away from the election, the worse it'll be for the R party. Not that we should unite. Disagreement between presidential candidates CAN be spirited without being divisive.

But I digress from your point. Yes, the FF treasured and bestowed the rights to dissent in the Bill. But, I believe (and I could be wrong here) that what they called for was peaceful protest, peaceful gathering. Not a mob mentality.

TIn response to your last statement about How we compromise and why should we? Because I believe our Constitution requires that we try or die trying. Why should we?-sounds a little bit "he got that for Christmas" so "I want one, too.


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CMerritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

I was raised to choose your battles. There are some things in this life that are not worth the fight, and there are some things that are without a doubt worth the fight.

When it comes to the well-being of my family, I will fight for them, to my death if I have too.

I guess we all have to decide what battles we must fight.

I beleive that most fights can be won, without getting physical, but throught diplomatic means...that is what our Constitution does for us.

When those Constitutional rights begin to be trampled on, it is a battle I am ready for. Peaceful? yes of course, unless there are no further measures to be taken.

I'm still a firm believer in America and it's people. I do not think those 99%er's represent that name. I think they are closer to the 1%er's. This next election will tell all.

But, YES, to answer your question, American SHOULD rise up, and do it this next election. But YES, PEACEFULLY!

Let our votes count.

Very good hub!


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teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago Author

Thanks on the comment, C. Merritt. "But, YES, to answer your question, American SHOULD rise up, and do it this next election. But YES, PEACEFULLY!"

I am for protesting all that is necessary to maintain the rights that have been guaranteed by our Constitution and Creator-unless they infringe on others rights. That said, if everyone rises us, where is that slippery slope between a peaceful and a NOT SO PEACEFUL demonstration?

By that, I'm not saying that we should NEVER demonstrate, but what I do say is that we ALL must think through the potential complications of our actions before we act. A civil war would be horrible in this day and age and add 300,000,000 + people to the mix with tons of different agendas and you'll have people fighting for 'who knows what?' And the sad thing is, some of them wont REALLY know.

And how would they fight? Fist-0-cuffs would break out, then the handguns, then the full body armor; in spite of our desires for a peaceful protest, we'll be reduced to a complete mob mentality.

Crowds could easily become mobs who;d become secret armies. So, you call for peaceful demonstration and I agree that demonstrations should be peaceful; BUT THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT THE OTHER GUY THINKS. Then, physical conflict could easily be a reality. Call me a wuss, a coward, call me soft. But there are enough crazies out there who don't think things through.


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American Romance 5 years ago from America

Hey Team, What did Obama bring to the table? He spent his life working for non profits, He voted present something like 160 times, meaning he never made a choice nor backed the American people, Then Zoros comes along and gives him enough money to become president!

Cain, struggled, made many payrolls, rode in the back of the bus and now he OWNS the bus! I'll take a man over Obama any day!


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teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago Author

American, Did i even say that BO brought anything to the table? If xo, precious little. There's an article that the WASHINGTON POST published in August that goes into detail about hsi LACK OF QUALIFICATIONS AND WHY.

Whatever its worth, I don't think he brought 'anything to the table.'


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

We can compromise with reasonable points, but when the far left is demanding that we dismantle traditional capitalist America, and start over with the same failed socialism that has bankrupted Europe, there's not much point in compromise.

When the Democrats are in power, they ignore compromise. It's only when they are out of power that they demand compromise!


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teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago Author

"When the Democrats are in power, they ignore compromise. It's only when they are out of power that they demand compromise!" I agree, Will, but what do you think the answer is?

REASONABLE liberals exist and compromise and REASONABLE conservatives exist an comppromise; but there are too far and too few pf them, so I think we must DEMAND that they do so, or WE fire them.

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