Should Heatlh Care Be Socilized

Should the US follow the rest of the world and turn to socialized medicine?
Should the US follow the rest of the world and turn to socialized medicine?

Weight In On US Health Care

Is It A 'Right' For All People To Have Access To Health Care

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  • Yes, upon conditions
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Is US Arrogance an Issue In Solving The Health Care Crisis It Faces?

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Do You Have Health Insurance?

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Is Mandating Health Insurance The Way To Solve The US Economical Health Care Crisis?

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Socialized Medicine: To Be Or Not To Be

Socialized medicine.

Is it a 'right' that all people should have access to medical care regardless of their power to pay, the country they live in, or their overall health condition?

Here in the US we are faced with a fierce dilemma. Should we, as a people - as a government, dissolve our current system for easing pain and suffering, promoting health and happiness, and irradiating disease?

Is mandating the purchase of health insurance the way to solve our nation's economical healthcare crisis?

Are little children, the poor, the old and the disabled sentenced to early death because of money?

The moral, monetary, and justice of the issue seems to be undaunting to American citizens. So what do you, the rest of the world think? Many nations have socialized medical structures. Is the healthcare inferior? Is the technology, the advancements, and human element of healthcare less in these countries? Could it be the American attitude of arrogance that is so quickly recognized throughout the rest of the world, truly clouding the rational evaluation of the issue?

How do you separate love and care and life-saving advancements from money? It takes money to buy, develop, provide for, encourage effort to, market, distribute, educate, and practice. After all, researchers, doctors, drug companies have to eat too. All those laboratories, books, schools have to be built somehow, and I don't see any construction companies, construction workers, land developers or doctors willing to put all that time, talent and resources into something, -even a worthy cause- , it they can't feed, cloth and provide (and pay the taxes) for their own families.

So What Is The Answer?

humagaia, I invite you to answer. If you will give your permission, I will put it in a capsule with your name on it.

Humagaia is from the UK. Is there anyone else interested?

If you are looking for change, you may want to look at this Hub about the Tea Party and it's stand. It is not on health care, but when we are talking about reforming health care, we are talking about reforming our political system. I think it is important we keep a level head about what 'change' we are looking at. The Tea Party movement opposes the Socialist movement of the Obama movement, but is their thinking correct.

It is important we keep a clear head in making change.

Why The Tea Party's Contract for America is Stupid

I'm not a fan of the title, but the substance is good. You may need a little time to read this because it is something you need to think through if you are like most of us.


SUMMARY OF COMMENTS

Please vote on our pole. I notice more are looking at the hub than are entering their opinion. It is interesting to me that the last question is unamious. Lets find out exactly what the MAJORITY does think. (At least here at HubPages. We could become a group of influence, not just hot air.)

I am starting a list of ideas here, look at the comments for expanded details of the idea. I am an activist in that I think ‘we the people’ should be part of the solution, and not just the loud speaker of the problem. Back in the day when the bailout was being discussed, just after it was settled, I received an email that made much more sense than the solution implemented. Maybe if ‘we the people of the world’ put our heads together and then submit solutions to the ‘discussion makers’ of this country (US) we can affect the economy of the world for the better. I believe there are more of ‘us’ (good & honorable) than ‘them’ (the wicked conspirerers and corrupt). And that we all need to brainstorm with level heads.

1. Privatize medical insurance

2. Go public with medical insurance ( much like some utility companies)

3. Keep government OUT of the medical insurance business

4. Tax the medicaters for they are surely medicating too much.

5. Audit the pharmaceutical companies

6. Give tax brakes to the population to take control of their health

 

Summary of Comment

 From pennypincher:

As for the Health Care... this is bad, really bad. I live in MA and we have state wide health care... much like the reform. We have to pay a tax if we don't have it... which is way cheaper at $600/year without insurance vs $1100/month for health insurance for a family of 3.

Because we are in the "poverty level" we have state insurance and it would be really great... that is if a Doctor would take it. We basically have insurance for the emergency room... because we cannot find primary care doctor that takes the Mass Health. I have one, but my husband does not. My doctor, kept me when I changed over... my husbands doctor kicked him out the door because he does not take it... and my favorite part was when we told my husbands Dr. of 10 years that we would just pay cash for the office visits... he cannot... he would be fined if the state caught him. So now my husband is without a primary... my son has a really bad Dr. I mean REALLY BAD!! That is just what you get... long waits, no customer service, and nurse practitioners. That did change for me by the way... I no longer see my Dr. I now see whatever nurse practitioner is on duty.

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HealthyHanna 6 years ago from Utah Author

pennypincher

Thanks for your comment. I think you tell a very good story. I think it deserves a whole hub. I encourage everyone to read it. Pennypincher writes from experience.


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pennypincher 6 years ago from Massachusetts

Health care reform obviously needs to be done... but not like this bill that was passed. I am sorry but this bill should not have been passed... just so a "legacy" will be "health care reform". The government has a really bad track record with running companies... and it should not. Its job is run the country not the people in the country... unless we are moving to something else. In which case... what a wasted trip for the Mayflower goers. Wasn't this country founded in an effort to get away from exactly what we are turning into? Sorry guys, I am from Plymouth, MA and my great, great, great, great, etc... grandfather was John Alden from the Mayflower.

I am not so much a Glenn Beck supporter, but he does have some points that we all need to listen to.

We are going down a path that will change the way this country is run forever...

The problem is that the Government is unable to run a company... they can't... way too many doers and no thinkers. I am a Realtor in MA and I called with regards to the $8,000 tax credit and short sales (another hub all together)... I asked the question and they said... "I don't know, we are waiting to hear from above"... who is "above"??? So it is just too much "red tape" to get anything done... I am behind Beck... and truly believe that we need to downsize the government.

As for the Health Care... this is bad, really bad. I live in MA and we have state wide health care... much like the reform. We have to pay a tax if we don't have it... which is way cheaper at $600/year without insurance vs $1100/month for health insurance for a family of 3.

Because we are in the "poverty level" we have state insurance and it would be really great... that is if a Doctor would take it. We basically have insurance for the emergency room... because we cannot find primary care doctor that takes the Mass Health. I have one, but my husband does not. My doctor, kept me when I changed over... my husbands doctor kicked him out the door because he does not take it... and my favorite part was when we told my husbands Dr. of 10 years that we would just pay cash for the office visits... he cannot... he would be fined if the state caught him. So now my husband is without a primary... my son has a really bad Dr. I mean REALLY BAD!! That is just what you get... long waits, no customer service, and nurse practitioners. That did change for me by the way... I no longer see my Dr. I now see whatever nurse practitioner is on duty.

Guys, I live it and I know what is going on... also Mass would be bankrupt 10 times over, but the Federal government keeps feeding money to us to help support the health care.

I hate to be negative, but it is going to be bad... I do however like the bit about the kids under 26 being able to stay on their parents insurance.

Just so you know... the same company but better insurance in FL cost me $600/month... why can't we open up the borders and buy in another state??

I guess that is too easy. I think the state should only run health insurance of last resort (much like the home insurance of last resort)... insurance for the uninsurable due to illness. This will keep the cost down for the rest of us.


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HealthyHanna 6 years ago from Utah Author

Pamela, Thanks for the comments. I totally agree with your perspective.


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HealthyHanna 6 years ago from Utah Author

Thanks everyone for your comments. I hope you will all vote. Poles are a wonderful way to measure opinions.

Thanks humagaia for doing a hub on the health care in the UK. I think we Americans could use some real education on the reality of your health care.

Thanks to everyone for their comments and solutions.


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humagaia 6 years ago from United Kingdom

Hey Hannah you've prompted me to publish a HUB on a radical way your Government can fund part of any future Healthcare program without it costing the individual taxpayers a dime. And the good thing is that, parallel to this, there should be a knock-on effect on the overall health of the nation. You can précis this if you want and add it as a capsule if you want to. I now know what a capsule is.

I've linked to your HUB, from my HUB, as I think it's merits should be available to a wider audience.

Keep producing the good stuff.


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Pamela99 6 years ago from United States

We needed heath care reform but certainly not this policy that passed with shady deals and behind closed doors. Young people shouldn't be forced to buy health insurance if they don't want it and have to choose between eating and not going to jail for not buying insurance. There is so much wrong with this bill that I don't know if they can fix it. Our government doesn't run any programs efficiently. Medicare fraud is huge so why aren't thy trying to fix it. That cost every tax payer. My mother came home from the hospital with a rental wheelchair which was only used for a couple of days and we had them pick it up. They billed Medicare for months despite the fact we called Medicare to let them know. Some of the comments above state workable solutions and sound pretty good. I think we can come up with something so much better than what we ended up receiving.


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humagaia 6 years ago from United Kingdom

Hi Hanna, I hope you are healthy! I'm a bit late in on this one, been working. So many questions, so many possibilities. Dunno what a capsule is yet, only been here a week and I've just seen the Amazon tab.

Ioua you got it man. Get radical. Get thinking out of the box. If you have all the greedy, self-centred people there that don't think their medical insurance will give up on them when they get ill and so don't want insurance for the many, then I wish them well! mcrow - you can get damn close to offering as much health care as you want if you pool resources.

Radical ideas like:

1. Tax Walmart for all the BOGOF offers.

I presume you get Buy One Get One Free offers, we do at Asda (Walmart took them over)in the UK.

2. Take the best parts of the UK system and implement National Insurance.

3. Enable the population to take control of their health, wherever possible.

4. Establish self-help clinics where doctors can offer free consultation, everywhere, not just in the poor communities either. What I mean by this is similar to our Citizens Advice Bureau - a drop-in centre for advice on Law.

5. Educate, educate and educate some more but not like education more like game- or role-play - make it fun!

6. Free tickets to comedy shack - laughing is a great healer.

7. Tax the medicaters for they are surely medicating too much.

8. Audit the pharmaceutical companies for they are sure as hell costing you all too much.

9. Learn the history of Insurance and really what it means.

10. Take the time to look for changes to your loved ones - early detection of illness will save lives and money in the long run.

Enough for now?

I can explain each point if you need.

Give me a day and I can come up with a few more radical ideas, but I don't want to bore you.

Keep Healthy Hannah, Ciao from the UK. You have a mountain to climb but when you get to the top and shout out everyone gotta hear!


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mcrow 6 years ago from Hutchinson,MN

I'm against the government forcing people to buy insurance. Yes, in an ideal world everyone could get as much health care as they want for nothing, but that's not how the world is and it cannot work that way.

If there is no incetive to innovate and advance medicine out quality of care will go down. If there is no profit to be had, there is no incentive for companies to fund research. We all know the government doesn't have the money to fund all of the research needed.

If you are OK with our current level of medicine, don't care how much the government takes from you to pay for the less fortunate's coverage, and don't mind the country going bankrupt then socialized medicine should be fine.

Nobody seems to be pointing it out but they are only funding the first 6 years of Obama's plan and when they are up (just happens to be the time Obama goes out if he gets a 2nd term) guess what else is going to go up? YES, taxes. That of course is assuming that the funding they have for those 6 years actually gets used for the health care plan, which most certainly it wont be.


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James A Watkins 6 years ago from Chicago

I say absolutely not and in fact I long for the day when Medicare and Medicaid are privatized. Let Visa/Mastercard take over those programs and the fraud rate will go from 15% to .5% and they will make a profit running them too. :-)


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HealthyHanna 6 years ago from Utah Author

Ioua, I like your thinking. What do you term survival services? Would that be like cancer treatments? or like flu vaccinations?


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eovery 6 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

Hanna, Health is socialized now. BO, Reid and Pelosi did it already.

loua, I never seen the government able to run a system with out corruption and greed. Medicare is one of the most corrupt systems out there and now it will spread to the rest of the industry. Lets get real!

Healthcare reform is nothing more than a power grap by wicked people in the government who wants to control everything. Evil!

Keep on hubbing!


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loua 6 years ago from Elsewhere, visiting Earth ~ the segregated community planet

How about health care, insurance, and all vital industry being publicly owned by automatic investment; everyone that is employed, i.e. automatic IRA investment and then supplement the support of it by sales tax on everything that causes health issues... Now you have a health care system that is a self policing industry without the corruption of greed and its associated huge overhead; now you can charge a copay for everything other than basic survival services that would be provided to everyone based on sales tax subsidies... The efficiency would be astounding...

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