Slow Joe Biden: 'Tea Terrorists'

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In an article written by Jonathan Allan and John Bresnahan for Politico, they uncovered some naughty backroom bashing by our wonderfully adept Vice President Joe Biden. In a closed door power session with Rep. Mike Doyle of PA, Doyle stated “We have negotiated with terrorists; this small group of terrorists have made it impossible to spend any money.” Biden not wanting to miss his own opportune profundity seconded Doyle by remarking “they have acted like terrorists.”

Well you know what folks, as long as someone isn’t afraid to say no to spending money that doesn’t exist, I guess that also make me a terrorists. Political rhetoric and base catering is without a doubt a one way street for Democrats. In all of their weeping over analogous comparisons to socialist, they feel liberated by calling fiscal conservatives terrorists. That isn’t hypocrisy, it is rabid arrogance of ones position to abuse and demand no recourse.

Reporting more business as usual, Biden’s office declined to comment about the conversations held during the closed door session. No comment indeed, after all, who wants to be the guy wearing the Hazmat suit trailing behind Biden, cleaning up his vitriol?

Although today’s passing of a “bi-partisan” bill is being lauded as a good compromise, it will not stop either side from being dissatisfied by its content. We can and will disagree with the execution, the cuts, the expansion and the broken promises. Furthermore, the inglorious bastards who represent us better be well prepared to deal with the job they postured for; listening to the constituents.

POLITICO had more trade mark ‘Bidenisms.’ It is interesting that Joe Biden told democrats how this deal will take away the tea party’s “weapon of mass destruction” the threat of a default on U.S. debt obligations. Doyle told POLITICO after the meeting “they have no compunction about blowing up the economy to get what they want.” Yes, that is right Doyle, and you have no compunction about spending non-existent funds because you want to be reelected by a base that doesn’t pay any taxes. Thus the democrats continue to see other people’s money as automatically belonging to them.

I said it in my last hub, our government is hell bent on silencing, marginalizing and belittling anyone who doesn’t fall in line. I am not a bi-partisan writer (well, duh) and therefore I have no allegiance to being polite to either party when they put vote protection above moral and ethical objectives. I can admit my own profound mental limitations, the type of limitations where I look at my balance sheet and understand that I cannot raise my debt ceiling without EARNING more income.

There is a darkness lurking just above the comprehension level of our politicians, a serious deficiency with understanding that raising revenues through increased taxation is not additional income. It is blatant and unjust appropriation of civilian capital. Do not tell me to live within my means and then demand I live with less so that you may take more. My fellow producers, do not let them take your living from you lightly. If we are going to be labeled terrorists, let them see how a terrorist handles the unabashed absconding of our own funds. Let them see how dry their campaign coffers become and let them hear the unceasing “please leave a message after the beep,” when they call for your support. It is time for round two in November.

Joe Biden is the number two guy in America people…what was America thinking?


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SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

You seem a bit obsessed with bashing Joe Biden. I really am not happy with the Democrats for agreeing to cut social security and the medicare, and for the Republicans and Tea Party right wingers who think that they should dismantle our government. This whole thing is a three ring circus, and a lot of the blame falls on the Tea Party. Even John McCain has grown exasperated with their antics, calling them Tea Party hobbits. By the way shutting our government down will cause chaos in our infrastructure, which is what is happening to many Southern airports that are being cut off from federal funding. If an air port that provides jobs to a small community is not able to function, than the obsessive need with needing to cut spending is going to hurt our economy. Austerity is not working in Europe, and it will not work here. However, I think a lot of this is the show, and I am not completely happy with the Democrats or Republicans at this point. Giving tax cuts to the richest corporations while they continue to outsource only looks out for the interests of the richest Americans. All this cutting the debt is not focusing on what Congressional representatives were elected to do, to create jobs.


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

America might be thinking about fairness, your suggestions about not spending what we don't have are right on, now balance that with fairness in taxation and you got something. We all need to share in the pain to get back to a balanced economy. When you speak of the ones not paying taxes is GE, BofA, Etc, Etc included in that bunch. I know you are including the poor and Seniors, but not the rich? Your idea of fairness doesn't include the majority of the people, Why is that?

Peter


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Understand that most of the cuts they put in the plan are on paper only. We can only tell if any of these cuts really happened if they publish a list of what was cut. I doubt we will ever see this list. I am disgusted with all of them equally regardless of which party they claim to belong to. Most of them really belong to the "I" party when you get right down to it.


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Jason R. Manning 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Sweetiepie,

Thank you for reading and being the first to comment. Yes, I am exercising my right to point out Biden’s prowess at freely criticizing a section of America. I call it an exchange of epithets. Equal in, equal out, how is that for some bi-partisan work?

So, Tea Party stands for dismantling the government, but you ignore the section of government the democrats wish to dismantle and have been for decades – The Armed Forces. Do they not account for huge portion of our infrastructure? Defense, industry, science, retail and social? I guess they do not count, only union employees are worth preserving.

If you want to have a discussion, then please, add tit for tat. You mention airlines; if it is a privately held company that is making appropriate business decisions, then they will survive. If they are subsidized by the government like some farmers who produce no crop for pay, then do away with them. Enough hands out for no production. We cannot live by taking one of my two dollars where I produced a good, and give my one dollar to a non-producer or contributor. Its really simple. I appreciate you contribution to the conversation. Thank you.

Hello Peter,

I have read your hubs, you try very hard to stay towards the middle, but often you show a slant. It is not a jab, just an observation. So, you want to talk about big business? Who contributes more to the Democratic Party Peter? I will let you come back to answer, I will not interject.

Peter, I am not a stone cold capitalist fool, I do not see business as Republican or Democratic like many do. Big business does whatever big business has to for survival. They are not a moral or ethical bunch, but some can be. Sure, we can work on give and take, but Peter, they are always taking. People on the left always blame business for taking, but they never see the government as takers, why is that? Next, yes, huge corporations like GE should be paying taxes and their fair share. But, have Democrats not had control of congress for a good 50% of the time? How do we constantly blame the right for giving big business all the breaks and Democrats are strangely never present in congress that day? Thanks for adding to the conversation Peter, hope you come back.

Mr.Poolman,

What are we going to do about it? I am with you, I hear you, and my family feels the pain. We compromised again. Once again, congress gets away with doing something no law abiding citizen can do, wave away debt for another generation.


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WhatBigJohnThinks 5 years ago

One heart beat, think about it for just a second. A second would be too long. you would get 2 beats in a second. One heartbeat from being President. Bumbling Joe Biden, President of the United States of America. I'm not one to pray but, please Lord grant Barack Obama bountiful health.


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

You still insist on making this a Democrat Vs Republican thing. It is an American thing. How we got here is obvious, what we need is to get out. To do that we all must share the blame and the sacrifice, no right or left nust us all of us.

Peter


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SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

No, the federal government provides funding, even for private air ports. The government provides funding for air traffic control. If you have Congressional representatives who want to cut funding for these things, you shut down an air port that brings jobs to Americans. As for dismantling the armed forces, I do not see that happening with our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I think we need to get out of playing world empire scale way back on military expenditures. Even Reagan cut military spending, and there is no need or us to waste money on bases in Japan and Germany anyway. Let us get back to focusing on our own people now. World War II is long over, and allocating the money to creating civilian jobs in the US would be highly appreciated by most Americans I know. Even conservatives are sick of these wars that are not helping our country, and just causing extremists to find more reasons to hate us. Our involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq is worse that Vietnam was, and I am sad Americans let this happen.


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someonewhoknows 5 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

That picture of Joe Biden eating two Icecream cones at the same time would make a good campaign poster for who ever is running against him .Don't you think?


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

This left against the right thingy is partly responsible for the horrible condition we are in today. While the citizens are busy fighting against each other, few have paid much attention to what our elected representatives are doing. Thus they are able to steal and waste a great deal of taxpayer money, and we don't even see it happening.

In reality, I don't think we are that far apart on most issues. The majority of us are very concerned about the state of this country now, and really concerned about our future.

I sincerely hope and pray more will wake up, take off their boxing gloves, and start looking at the big picture. I must warn you, the big picture is far from pretty.


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Jason R. Manning 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Big John,

Amen brother, I whole heartedly agree with you, I say amen again to you. Thank you for stating what we all should be hopeful for. God Bless.

Peter,

Thanks for coming back; however, you chose not to address anything I said. Let me keep it real simple Peter. How many jobs are created by 51% of the citizen population not paying taxes? The one big thing that separates corporations that do not pay taxes is the fact that they employ and create jobs that DO pay taxes. Therefore please do not compare apples and oranges. You talk about everyone coming together and sharing the pain, are you prepared to start taxing the income of those not current paying taxes? I am willing to raise taxes on the rich if we start asking the poor to pay their share. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Sweetie Pie,

I really do not think there is reason for you and I to debate. You stated Reagan cut security, Reagan was the greatest contributor to the DOD, furthermore putting all prior Presidents to shame in his budget busting defensive plans; remember “Star Wars?” If you do not remember that then there is nothing to debate.

SWHKS,

Very funny, Biden isn’t even a real politician, there is no reason to include him in future races.

Mr.Poolman,

I empathize with your real frustration. Let me tell you what I really want to see, I want to see a legitimate break up of the two party power. I want to see the monopoly that the Dems and Repubs hold over voters and precincts. No one wants to address what Doyle and Biden said, instead, people are calling me out for being divisive. Sure, and to everyone else I say keep the party powers going, keep them in office with their royal benefits and ignoring the people. Let those who have power keep marginalizing those who have a small voice. But I am divisive, I point out the obvious and I am keeping the wedge going.

A spade is a spade…a ruinous Democrat or Republican is a ruinous party player. Those who voted against the bill at least have real conviction to stand up for principals. But no, the debt ceiling is raised; the Pink elephant has been pushed off until after the next election. How convenient.


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SubRon7 5 years ago from eastern North Dakota

Good hub. Jason R. Manning, in your last sentence you say "Biden is the #2 man in America...what was America thinking?" I agree with that, but I look the other way too and often wonder What was John McCain thinking? Even though I wondered I still voted for him.

These guys running for President have got to start remembering that we folks look at their running mates too.


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

Jason, you state that " they employ and create jobs that DO pay taxes" not in this country, the effective jobless rate just keeps getting higher but their taxes just stay at the lowest in the last decade and their net income keeps increasing. How would you explain those apples?

Peter


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

PS In the last year GE cut 35,000 jobs in the us and hired 24,000 in China. Good apples!


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Jason R. Manning 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

SubRon,

You make a very valid point, McCain was my senator until I moved out of Arizona. We couldn’t get rid of him. Now Sarah is in Arizona, I am of the opinion she is going to take his seat when he is done with this term. I like Sarah, but I don’t want her as President. Thanks for the clarification Ron.

Peter,

For a guy who is trying to cling to the middle, you really hate big business. GE still employees 133,000 US based citizens. Would you like them to throw them out? I wonder how much taxes those 133,000 employees pump into our economy. The company I work for has 298K world wide, less than a third employed in the US. They just spent $2 billion investing in China, and $1 billion investing in Russia. Should I be mad? Several US divisions didn’t return profits last year and roughly 3,400 were laid off after mergers and repositioning. The company has to make money, that’s what businesses do.

A few years ago, our division was doing lousy whereas other brands of our company did well. We didn’t see merit raises, they did. I think that is fair. Outsiders do not see it that way, they see the whole company and not all of the different brands and divisions working against different objectives. Some might see big bonuses, others a gift card, its called pay for performance.

Then there is the cost to serve. I know you understand what Obamacare is doing to businesses. Our services and retirement packages already took a hit, and it’s going to get worse in 2014. If it gets so bad, I can leave and go look for a job elsewhere, but it gets tedious because all American businesses still have to deal with unbelievably complex government regulations. I couldn’t afford to stay self-employed in California, I moved to Arizona, worked with a small firm who was bought out by a multinational giant. I didn’t like it, but I am doing well under their program.

When you refer to “they” not paying taxes, can you be more specific. I already agreed with you that GE should be responsible for taxes. However, I am not naïve in thinking if GE pays more taxes, they will avoid shifting more jobs. If they don’t shift more jobs, then they will suspend merit increases. People depending on merit increases will see inflation out strip their income. I know I have. You can’t have it both ways Peter. Thanks for coming back to keep the discussion going.

p.s. the net income you are referring to is called an increase in prices. In my company we are seeing higher revenues with less units. Many of our customers have shifted their buying habits to larger multiple service items at higher retails. If a jet engine costs more and they charge more, well, there you go...


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Please correct this if it is wrong. What I have read about GE and other Corporations who are now multinational, is it works this way. As long as they maintain even a single office in the US, they are still considered a US Corporation. They claim all their profits in the low tax countries where they operate, and most of their losses in the US. Thus they avoid the higher tax rates in this country.

GE also made some large campaign contributions to many politicians. I suspect this money bought them some huge favors, and a politician or two they keep in their pocket.


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

James, How can we have a discussion when you stated your position in the first paragrph:

"I do not see business as Republican or Democratic like many do. Big business does whatever big business has to for survival."

So no matter what, they will survive. Not a healthy outlook for people or our country. Peter


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Bottom line is most businesses are run by business men and women. It is their job to make money for the company and the stock holders. If they fail to do this, they are fired and replaced by someone who will. I can assure you there are both Republicans and Democrats holding these highly paid but important positions.

When the last of our business close their doors and turn out the lights, there will be no more jobs, goods, or services in this country. I really don't think many of us want to end up like that.


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Jason R. Manning 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Mr. Poolman,

I cannot confirm the net loss claim for multinationals, what I do know is many of the multinationals have suffered losses in the U.S. versus their upshots in other markets. It only makes sense that a dollar earned in Germany doesn’t get taxed the same as a dollar earned in America, but that’s the crazy conservative in me talking. Thanks for coming back to support the conversation.

I did pull General Electrics contribution and lobby numbers for 2010; very interesting.

Democrats received more than Republicans, 2 to 1 in the house, it was more evenly split in the Senate. A whopping $39 million was spent on Lobbying in 2010. If that isn’t a donation to the U.S. economy, I know nothing of how money is distributed.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D...

Peter,

Who is James? Tell me, are you saying big businesses have specific party affiliations, especially after the refuse storm Chief Justice Roberts took over allowing business contributions? Are you saying that big business chooses party lines every year and they placate specifically to parties? No good business would operate if it played party games. The day a big business alienates half its customers is the day you sell their stock.

Its one thing for a small start up to claim they will only cater to one type of customer (good luck with that long term strategy) but it an entirely different scenario to claim a specific down the line customer preference for say a Coca Cola or Boeing. Let’s look at Colt or Smith and Wesson; with as many lawsuits they have to litigate, there still are liberals who own firearms and have purchased from one of these companies, transversely those two companies are willing to sell it to them. Will you agree with that? Money is party blind and a good business which wants to earn that dollar is supposed to be party blind. Will you agree with that?


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WhatBigJohnThinks 5 years ago

Big corporations play both sides of the isle. It makes since when you have the resources to do just that. They don't have to play the odds. The politics of big business is solely in the party of profit. If you could buy every lottery ticket you would be guaranteed to win. The days of business political affiliation are all but over on the big stage. Business learned in its infancy that choosing one side over the other would turn out to be a savior or demon. They play to the symantics of the people now.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Jason, that is an interesting link to the website showing where GE spent their money. At least they were fairly non-partisan when they were handing out the $39 Million. I'm not up with the current price on favors and loopholes, but that much money should have bought them a whole sack full. Thanks for the link.


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Jason R. Manning 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Big John,

You bet, why would a business only attempt to earn 50% of an available market when they could market 100%? That’s why I said ‘Big Business’ is neither republican nor democrat, pretty common sense thinking. Thanks for seconding my remarks.

Mr. Poolman,

You got it sir, I thought is was necessary to point out the kind of money a company like GE can contribute to our economy on the back end. I mean really, $39 million, 220 bills they lobbied for in one year. And people say they don’t pay taxes. It is ludicrous to think that someone earning $20k a year has much say or pull in a market. A million individuals earning $20k a year will not have the influence or financial contribution as compared to a Fortune 50 company.

Moreover the government does not make money, it burns money. Look at public transportation, the postal service and healthcare. Billions lost every year.

If anyone hates big business, they need to take a trip to the state of Washington. Go to Redmond and look at the contribution Microsoft has had upon this state. Then go over to the Boeing facilities. Then take a trip to Amazon. Looks like big business creates quite a bit for the community. Thanks for following this conversation so closely.


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PoliticsNOW 5 years ago from New York

No mention of Palin calling the prez a terrorists? I know you won't let this comment through? I dare ya to tell both sides.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

PoliticsNOW - This is the first I have heard of this incident regarding Palin. Where and when did this happen?


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Jason R. Manning 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

PoliticsNOW,

Of course I will approve of your message; all you did was dig a hole for yourself. I have attached the link from CNN back in 2008 when Palin called out Obamas buddies whom like William Ayers are domestic terrorists. I do read Huffington Post, Politico, Los Angeles Times and other left leaning news sources so that I may see what both sides are saying. Any other misrepresentation you wish to make? Thank you for stopping by to comment. I hope you actually read my hub before looking for an angle.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-04/politics/palin....


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wba108@yahoo.com 5 years ago from upstate, NY

"the democrats continue to see other people’s money as automatically belonging to them."

Great insight! It almost sounds like the liberals think its a terrorist act to try to provent them from reaching into our pockets!

" I look at my balance sheet and understand that I cannot raise my debt ceiling without EARNING more income."

Its like the liberals believe if you raise the limit on your credit card it makes you solvent, no it makes it more difficult to pay back what you owe when you max out the card!


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SubRon7 5 years ago from eastern North Dakota

Jason, you are one of about "maybe" two hubbers where I stay onboard and keep reading the comments, and you do really well in keeping up with everybody. Good job!


Texasbeta 5 years ago

Poolman, you are right...they multinational corporations skate their taxes, GE, Google, Microsoft, etc. How they do this is quite simple. For example, Google has its office in Ireland. That office in reality only has a small handful of people in it, who's jobs are pretty much to make sure this process works. They claim all of their revenue in Ireland, then transfer the revenue to the Netherlands, as they have a treaty not to tax fellow members of this European organization (forgot the name- sorry), then from the Netherlands, they move the revenue to Bermuda who has no corporate tax laws whatsoever. They can't directly move it from Ireland to the Netherlands as Bermuda doesn't have an agreement with Ireland as it has with the Netherlands. They claim their losses in the US, revenue in Ireland, and stash the cash in Bermuda. Google paid 2.2% in corporate tax while making $18.6 billion.

I totally get the tea party/conservative outrage and direction on spending. We have a crazy debt and deficit. The problem I have is that no Tea Party or conservative members I have ever read about or read their statements ever discuss all of the massive corporate welfare that we allow, those tax subsidies to corporations who ship jobs overseas, subsidies to oil companies for doing nothing, $186 billion just last year in corporate welfare, corporate jet subsidies (I know that last one only helps in the smallest way, but then again, corporate jet subsidies cost more to the government than NPR, and look what happened there)...what about all of the money we pay corporations, what about the corporate welfare programs? What about the no-bid defense contracts? When we have the lowest personal income tax rate in over 60 years, and the rating agencies clearly tell us to let them expire...then why would we allow 3% on the top 2% to be the issue that holds the country hostage? We want to eliminate tax loopholes...why won't any conservative allow us to do so? Our President, who many of you think is the great Socialist Satan, put the holy trinity of progressives on the table...SS, Medicare and Medicaid...ready to give, to cut...Republicans wouldn't put corporate jet subsidies on the table. Think about that. Who is not negotiating in good faith here? Now S&P downgrades us and the first reason they give is that our government went to the brink of destruction based upon 80 plus members in a single body holding the country hostage over whether or not we are going to pay our bills.

I am a Democrat, and I do not think your money is our money. However, I am also a pragmatist. I understand reality. Right now, we are living in the supply side/Reaganomics plan. We have the lowest personal income taxes in 60 years. We have given, over the last 30 years, corporations all of the advantages we can think of. This IS the plan. We are living the experiment right now. It failed. Every statistic shows that this concept of freeing up the rich to "trickle down" to everyone else has proven false. It doesn't work. That doesn't mean we take everything from the rich now. It means we sure up the loopholes, the tax havens, the corporate welfare. How do you get the economy moving? Figure out how to increase consumer demand, and you'll figure out that answer. It is time we addressed economic issues in the context of real economic theory, not a supply side fantasyland. And don't get me started on Austrian Economics...Hayek and what not...you can't have a real economic theory with no numbers in it.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Texasbeta, you give many points worth pondering. You are far more knowledgeable than I when it comes to these matters. I need a little time to think about the issues you cited in your response, but as stated, they make a great deal of sense.


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Jason R. Manning 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Terrific comments Texasbeta,

The 2.2% you state, is that dead net or does that include all costs of goods required to conduct business? Building costs, Sarbans Oxley fees, leases and the myriad of other regular yearly purchases?

Since you are so well versed in these matters, what is your take on a flat tax or a consumption tax?

I am not insinuating you state taxes are at a 60 year low as a bad thing, but given growth of our GDP is supposed to keep up with organic growth, why can’t the government learn to stay within the same margins? Again, as long as they follow growth…if both retract, then what?

Thank you for taking the time to leave such a detailed comment.


Wilheim 5 years ago

Jason, I don't understand how anyone can justify buying anything they cannot pay for. But remember we are talking about people who can vote themselves a raise anytime they feel like it. I am tired of the false promises and the rhetoric from both parties.


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onegoodwoman 5 years ago from A small southern town

JRM...........

Are you well, my long lost friend?

I said it over 25 years ago.........the country needs a woman who clothed, fed, and educated 13 children during the height of the Great Depression. One who taught each child to work for a living, become a responsible citizen, and to care for others.

Someone with a bit of sense, would run a close second!

You can not stand in the middle, when the earth is splitting underneath your feet.....you have to choose a side of the split to stand on. Politicians are afraid of doing this.............they might " offend" someone, or lose a vote!

Historically, modern Americans, follow the crowd. They think that "thinking outside the box", means eating tacos for dinner!

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