Socialism for Dummies

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Buzzy Lands for Breakfast

Good Morning, Breakfastpoppers. Today is Wednesday, August 19, 2015. Our dear friend Buzzy, the Proverbial Fly on the Wall, is at the breakfast table this morning. Buzzy has been zipping around following Socialist candidate, Berne Sanders, on the campaign trail. Judging from the large crowds Sanders is garnering, Buzzy fears for America. Please join us for breakfast this morning. Buzzy has prepared breakfast pizzas and lattes for your enjoyment. We hope to see you soon

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The Democratic Party is Dead

Thank you all for coming to the breakfast table this morning. The Democratic Party of your father's era died a slow agonizing death. In its place, the Socialist party has blossomed. Clearly, judging from the welcome Bernie Sanders is getting, either Americans want Socialism or they don't understand what is going on. Either way, we are in trouble. Clinton is right in there with Bernie. The only difference between them is that Sanders admits he's a Socialist and Clinton admits nothing about anything. She is a far left radical wing-nut who wants to take this country in the same ugly direction as Obama. We have good reason to worry that way too many Americans are willing to ignore the Constitution and give up their freedoms in the hope that a candidate like Sanders will give them what they think they deserve. They thrill to his promises of robbing the rich to make the masses wealthier. So what if their precious liberty is trashed along the way. Sanders followers and Clinton's as well are lazy and ill-informed. They don't have a clue about life in a Socialist country. Sanders loves big government and his followers seem to be embracing his message. He is fond of EPA control, United Nations control, high and higher taxes, amnesty for illegal aliens, Obamacare and so much more. His adoring crowds are either brain dead or hard core Socialists. The idea of living in a country like Greece appeals to them. Bernie Sanders is their guy.

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Ignorance is Not Bliss

I can only assume that Bernie's fans are also fans of Karl Marx, Stalin and every other totalitarian lunatic that ever existed. Perhaps they are anxious to give up control of their lives to a big strong government that will track and direct every moment of their lives from cradle to grave. Never mind that Socialist regimes always fail. Never mind that Socialist regimes bring misery to everyone under their control. President Obama started this mess and if Sanders wins the nomination, the long national nightmare will continue unchecked. The same is true for Clinton. The Democrats are Socialists in better fitting clothes. Those hypnotized citizens who love the idea of Big Daddy caring for them need to be re-programed. If not, they need to pack up and move elsewhere. There is nothing like a first-hand experience to raise awareness.

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Time to Wake Up

Greece is the perfect example of the failure of Socialism and of what happens when people with their hands out run out of other people's money. This is going to be Greece's third bailout in five years. The people of Greece were so used to being taken care of that hey refused to comprehend that the free ride was over. Now they are going to have to learn the hard way that difficult choices have to be made if they are to survive. We will face the same difficult decisions if a Bernie Sanders gets the White House. He will redistribute the wealth and turn the U.S. into a sad third world country. He will knowingly complete Obama's dream. The same will be true of Hillary who is a far left radical unwilling to come out of the closet as a Socialist. President Obama has changed America and I, for one, am saddened by its demise. American voters are either not paying attention to events in this country and around the world, or they simply don't give a damn. Just imagine the horrors that take place when people don't care. One day, if we are not careful, we will wake up in an America that is totally unrecognizable. The dismantling of our cherished way of life is already taking place. Traditional marriage is under attack, religion is under siege, the rich are being vilified, the Constitution is being ignored and trashed, freedom of speech is dying and political correctness is destroying our ability to speak clearly without retaliation. All of this has to stop now. An ineffectual and crippled Congress allowed the damage to be done during the Obama years. Our only hope is to put people in office who really do love this nation. It really is now or never.

Buzzy's Song

Fly me to the moon

And let me live where I am free

Things are so ugly now

We may be up a tree!

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Tom Whitworth 15 months ago from Moundsville, WV

Pop and Buzzy,

I agree with your first capsule title wholeheartedly. I grew up in a two party household but my mother changed allegiance after the 1972 Democrat National Convention saying the party had left her. Sanders has the fortitude to admit what most of them won't own up to.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning Tom,

Imagine, the only honest candidate is a misguided Socialist. What a revolving development! See you at the Inn.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

Good Morning Patti - Great job presenting this information.

I have tried and tried to understand why anyone would prefer to live in a Socialistic world. Then one day the light came on.

I would guess that many who prefer that way of life find it difficult to live without help from their mommy and daddy. Many probably never even left home until well into their late 20's or even into their 30's. This world is just to cruel and difficult for them to make it on their own without the umbrella they are used to. Now they want government to provide that level of protection they used to get from mommy and daddy.

There was always food to eat even if they chose not to work. Mommy and daddy provided their medical care even if they were not covered on any health insurance plan. If they ran out of spending money mommy or daddy put some green in their hands with no questions asked.

Mommy and daddy never made them go out and find a job if they didn't feel like working. They even received an allowance until well into their 30's.

I'm thinking that we now have at least a couple generations who need this loving support from the government so they may continue to enjoy the easy lifestyle they are accustomed to.

The thought of standing on their own two feet and competing in this cold cruel world is just more than they can stand.


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billybuc 15 months ago from Olympia, WA

I was wondering when you would get around to Sanders. I always find your opinions interesting. Thanks for the insight.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning Mike,

I think you've nailed it. We have raised (not us) a generation of kids that have a strong sense of entitlement. It is becoming commonplace for graduates to return home and stay there. I know so many people who fund their married children's lives. It is sickening. The appeal of big government taking care of you is just too alluring when you are a slacker. See you at the Inn, Mike.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning billy,

Thee only positive thing about Sanders is his honesty about his affiliations. Otherwise, he is positively revolting. See you at the Inn.


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fpherj48 15 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Where was Bernie and his ridiculous beliefs when I was a single Mom raising 4 sons, busting my butt with 3 jobs, doing a balancing act to rival magicians, teaching my sons to WORK for what they wanted, get excellent grades and a solid education & learn to take care of their own needs???

Just as well Bernie was never in charge of anything vital in those days. I have a sneaking suspicion I would not be near the person I am, have what I have nor feeling the least bit proud. The thought of my sons (even as much as I love them) still living with Mama, leaves me cold.....very cold. More importantly, MY poor parents would have felt that they failed completely. The positive cycle of being a productive citizen, involved parent and self-sustaining adult is the basic truth and principle for the good life.

The "other" cycle of dependency, system sucking, helplessness & multi-generational reliance on the government is a DEAD END street!

Bernie's a nice old man.....but maybe he should simply "retire."

Peace pop!!...........Paula


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The Old Guard 15 months ago from U.S.A.

Good hub,

Amazing that people are willing to give their freedoms for any reason.

But, they are - and the mystery is where the heck did it come from?

Is that what's being taught in our schools today?

Or the kids learning this idiotic crap in their homes? Heaven forbid......

I really do not understand the mindset of people who are for Clinton or Sanders.

Completely dumbfounded on their way of thinking.

Cheers


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

Yes, things such as "sharing the wealth" are being taught in our schools today. There are far to many hard core liberal proffessors in our colleges and they miss no opportunity to preach their beliefs to their students.

Too bad they don't start teaching kids how to work and how to maintain a good work ethic.


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bradmasterOCcal 15 months ago from Orange County California

BP

Anything, that I would say is just another repetition of what I have been saying for decades.

But, I just can't stop saying it.

Dump party loyalty, and dump party ideology, don't elect party incumbents that haven't put the country and the people over their party.

If voters want to be Heard, then they have to Leave the HERD.

The sad thing is that millions of voters think that the country today is OK.

Nothing will change for the better until the voters change their reliance on their party to do their thinking.

BTW, Socialism can't work with our Income Tax System and its Internal Revenue Code. Otherwise known as the billionaire code.

Great hub


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A.Villarasa 15 months ago from Palm Springs

Excellent tutorial for the uneducated and the uninterested.

If some American voters think Socialism could and would work in America, then they are delusional. But then again delusions are what feeds into their naivete about the absolute corruption inherent in the socialistic millieu.


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tirelesstraveler 15 months ago from California

Cheers! Well said. bradmasterOcCal. "If you want to be heard, you have to get out of the herd. Pop, love when you write like this.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear fp,

Bernie is misguided. I have no affection for him whatsoever. See you at the Inn. Bernie will not be allowed in!


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Old Guard,

Welcome to the breakfast table. Our schools have a great deal to do with this love of socialism. Our kids are being brainwashed and the end result will be a failed nation.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Mike,

Parents have to demand more from the schools. Teachers have no right to spread propaganda and influence young minds. Teach the facts and keep your opinions to yourself. See you soon, Mike.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear brad,

Socialism doesn't work...EVER!


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Villarasa,

Low information voters are destroying our nation. Our vote is the most precious possession and we squander it on idiots who have no clue what is at stake. Thanks so much for coming to the breakfast table.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear tireless traveler,

And I love when you come to the breakfast table. See you at the Inn.


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bradmasterOCcal 15 months ago from Orange County California

BP

That doesn't mean that they won't try here, or have tried it here.

And for that matter, the Income Tax here only fuels the obese government to spout more flout as it grows.

I just did that because it rhymed, but what is really not working in this country is a Democratic Republic.

I don't have a name for when the political parties run the government, well none that would pass censorship.

I need a bear claw, and some Java, see you at the Inn.

Maybe even a Cheese Danish.


taxlarry 15 months ago

Not only are Sanders and Hillary followers lazy and ill informed, they sre stupid. These are the same morons that put the current moron in the white house . Don't expect much more. We have become a nation of dopes.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear brad,

Obama has been trying it for all these years. Our country is a mess and the income tax is just a small part of the problem. There are solutions, but without talented people in office we don't stand a chance.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear taxlarry,

Yes, dopes rule the day. I am heading to the Inn and I am bolting the door behind me. Knock three times and I'll let you in.


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fpherj48 15 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

pop...pop....You're not thinking GF! Let Bernie in at the INN. We'll get him drunk and duct tape him in the beer cooler til the election!.....


joker8188 15 months ago

Ah the great argument whether Socialism works or doesn't work. The answer to the debate is this, It only works if the countries has been set up from the get go that way i.e U.K. This country is a free market place, so it will never work here due to the GREED of the people in this country.

The questions that actually need to be raised and raised loudly are about the politicians pockets and not the billionaires. Politicians like Berne Sanders and Co from both sides who spit the socialism train is good are the very people need investigated about their income. You see, the critical part everyone misses while these politicians protest about CEO salaries and bonuses for the little guy, they need these billionaires and multimillionaires to fund their campaign trails. So to stand up and support these do what I say not what I do types and not see them for who they really are, self serving crooks is sad, really sad, and it's on both sides.

In all fairness though, the blame I feel falls on the baby boomers, they are the ones who has let the toxic waste of entitlement seep into our generation, their greed and self serving mentality has destroyed what this nation once stood for and what so many immigrants flocked here to achieve, the American Dream.

Bythe time the 90's and the dot com era came along, they were possessed by greed becoming instant millionaires over night, they didn't give 2 hoots to teach good work ethics to their children, what they taught us was its a everyone for themselves, go to college get a good job, join the military, or there's a trust fund waiting for you.

So here we are today, kids having kids, growing up brainwashed, no future, no hope, no guidance, being told daily its not your fault, its the billionaires fault, they shouldn't be making that much money you deserve that money too and they are toot tooting along to it because its the easy way out.

That is why I think Donald Trump should be chosen as the presidential candidate as long as he chooses a strong politically aligned in D.C as I feel he is the best option to steer this titanic away from the ice berg we are about to hit hard since he is a billionaire, he does not need that "special interest" money that comes with campaign trails.

The only way to really educate people and wake them up is to teach them about how politicians are millionaires while earning a salary of $154k a year. You've all heard the term follow the money, when you follow the money you will be able to teach them about the person they are, and not the person they say they are.....


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WillStarr 15 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Supporting socialism requires a willingness to ignore reality. All 'successful' socialist countries rely on capitalism for funding, because real socialism, where the means of production is owned by the community (the state), has always failed miserably.

However, socialism is by necessity, parasitical, and sooner or later, the parasite always kills the host.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear fp,

If you say so. You're in charge, okay?


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear joker,

I can't see an argument about Socialism. It doesn't work. Eventually, the system falls apart. I cannot defend politicians. You are right, there are tons of millionaires in Congress and most of them are Democrats. I am not sure Trump is the right choice to run this country, but he certainly woke up an awful lot of people. We need someone smart, honest and willing to tap the best minds in the country to bring this nation back to a position of health and power. Thanks for dropping in at the breakfast table.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Will,

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself. See you at the Inn. Drinks are on me!


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drbj 15 months ago from south Florida

You nailed it, bp, in a comment above when you stated that Trump woke up a lot of people. He may not be the perfect candidate for president but he does speak his mind. Maybe his actions will wake up all those citizens who have been sleeping these past 6 1/2 years.


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bradmasterOCcal 15 months ago from Orange County California

Joker

You seriously put the blame of baby boomers.

The income tax, SS, and Medicare were all taxes made mandatory on wage earners.

There is no discretion, and the blame is on the voters for not putting the right people in office to change these mandated taxes.

The Internal Revenue Code is filled with devices for the rich, and in 1986 the Tax Reform Act took away the few that could be used by the middle class, and below.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning dr,

I certainly hope so. Voters who sleep trough national events cast their votes on nothing but air. See you at the Inn.


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FitnezzJim 15 months ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

Has anyone else noticed that the Up, and Interesting and other buttons are missing from the bottom of their articles?

And is it me, or did they also delete the word 'Is' from the title of this Hub?

Good article, and on the mark. It is somewhat premature to declare the death of the Democratic Party though. If you have been watching carefully, you might have noted that Stupid Rules, and we voters like it that way.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

Kind of like me going from a level 8 commenter to a level 6 commenter overnight. Mysterious things happen here on Hub Pages that we will never understand.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning FitnezzJim,

I noticed that the buttons were missing yesterday I hope they are missing for everybody and not just me! As for the title, either one works for me. As for the would-be, wanna0be socialists out there, please go someplace else. America can't afford you. See you at the Inn.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning Mike,

Who cares, in my mind you are number one and always will be. I'll see you at the Inn.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

Well thank you for that Patti, that makes my day.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Sear Mike,

You make my day every single day!


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FitnezzJim 15 months ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

Hey Mike, I noted about a year back that nearly every time I'd go back and edit or delete one of my own a comments that I'd see a lowering of my commenter score the next day. I never worried about it though, whether they are up or down, those scores and ratings and what-not have no apparent affect on my overall quality of life, so I just sort of leave them to whoever they are making happy.

On the other hand, this trend to socialism is scary. It is bringing us all down.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

Your right of course. Those scores mean nothing.


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

Bernard got elected to Congress as a Democrat, belongs to the Democrat Caucus, and is running for the Democrat presidential nomination. The press gently refers to him as the 'far left wing' of the Democratic party.

Interestingly, Bernard sashays about America insisting on a $15 minimum wage but pays his interns $12. The press overlooks his hypocrisy.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning nicomp,

Bernie is a self=proclaimed Socialist. Apparently, we have more Socialists in this country than I am comfortable with. See you at the Inn.


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

Well, Huckabee is a self-proclaimed conservative but he governed like a centrist, and I'm being kind about that.

Like Marvin Lewis says "I see better than I hear."


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear nicomp

The last thing we need after the Obama years is an angry Socialist. The very last thing we need is Clinton. I'm leaving for the Inn.


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

Have you listened to BHO in a press conference? He's always angry.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear nicomp,

I can't stand the sight or sound of him.


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vocalcoach 15 months ago from Nashville Tn.

I just love your title for this interesting hub. You've really nailed it! Socialism is downright frightening. And as for Clinton fans, "What are you thinking?"

I need a chocolate scone.


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

BreakfastPop: BHO is a great orator and a genius. His official biographer, Michael Beschloss , tells us his IQ is through the roof, but his grades were never released and we have no IQ test on record.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Did someone actually say our kids are entitled? You have got to be kidding me.

Good jobs at good wages...buh bye

Affordable housing.....SNARK!

College education......In debt for life

Quality of life......for the very very few

WE are the entitled ones..well, maybe YOU.

HAD good jobs at good wages

Get Social Security, Medicare.....senior discounts on lots o stuff

Have money SAVED: PLUS get to collect

MY kids working more and more to support more and more of you: whether you need it or not......

Get out of here.

Entitled does not exist anymore unless you were born into it, or have a thief for a parent: and you know exactly what that means! Socialism for the Rich. 30+ years of it! Thanks, Ron


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning vocal couch,

I think I'll join you in that chocolate scone before O completely lose my appetite. It is wonderful having you at the breakfast table. See you at the Inn.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning nicomp,

BHO is a fabrication. See you at the Inn where everything is real.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning Love My Chris,

Okay, I can see you are angry. First, let me say that Social Security is not an entitlement. We have been putting loads of money into the system and the government has consistently been looting it. It would work perfectly if not for their illegal grab. As for kids today feeling entitled. I can see that loads of them do feel this way. On the other hand, I know plenty of kids who worked their way through school, graduated with debt, and are now working. My kids are in that group. They had loans and they honored their debt. Those that love the idea of Socialism are ignorant of the lesson history has to tell. It doesn't work, ever.


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

@breakfastpop : The Social Security system is not being illegally looted. It is being legally looted. It was originally configured to *require* unspent money to be loaned back to the federal government into the General Fund.

It works like this: any extra funds are borrowed by Washington and a big ol' IOU is left in the "lock box." Legally they are on solid ground. Ethically and morally they are reprobates.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear nicomp,

That was not my understanding, but I will defer to you and look into it. Either way, it should have been left alone and if used legally, it was supposed to be returned to the fund.


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PegCole17 15 months ago from Dallas, Texas

Interesting discussion, Pop. The Robin Hood method of wealth distribution may seem ideal for fairy tales, but in reality, it's demotivating to those of us who worked hard and sacrificed for many long years to earn what we have, never expecting someone to pay our loans and give us free stuff. Accountability is at the root of the issue and people like to point the finger at others rather than take responsibility for their actions.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

I find it interesting how something many of us have paid into our entire lives is now considered an "entitlement."

Could that be because many who now receive SS benefits or disability never paid a dime into the system? Even some who are in this country illegally now get SS benefits.

When I think about how much money I could have saved up if I had been allowed to invest a like amount on my own it makes me sick. SS has been one of the most mismanaged systems the government has ever had their hands on.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Peg,

You make so much sense that I am thrilled. Of course, those with their hands out will find you and me misguided. See you at the Inn. Drinks and dinner are my pleasure.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Mike,

The notion that S.S, is an entitlement makes me see red! Food stamps are an entailment. Medicaid is an entitlement. I could go on, but I may lose my appetite and I am headed for the Inn. I'l save you a seat.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

You are ever so right Patti.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

The fact is that after 4 years of collecting SS--you have used up any monies you put in.

Just think about it....I'll use my grandfather as an example. He started paying in and was probly paying 10 to 25 dollars a week. Thanks to COLA, when he retired, he collected 800 a month. After he died, my grandmother kept on getting that 800 a month....that's way more than he paid in!!!

After 4 years, it's welfare. Plain and simple. But you won't admit to it, because you have demonized welfare so much...so you pretend like you earned it all. You dint.

And let's not talk healthcare.....I read an article about seniors, and "doctor shopping"...it's like a profession to some people. Seeing doctor after doctor: probly wasting tons of money on duplicate tests, etc.....but we put up with, and pay for it, because of the AARP.

Same reason they shot down the common sense idea that after 79--you should be tested to see if you can drive!!!

And then we have those really wealthy, who also use up their allotment in 4 years....and don't need it, but still get it.

yes...there are many ways to look at welfare. TARP is another. But I do believe they paid it back?

Just wait: we'll see the socialism come out once people look into the background of the Republicans running for prez. Mark my words. It'll make Hillary look like child's play.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

LMC - I understand your frustration but think you might be confused on a couple issues.

I paid into the SS System for over 60 years. Do you really think I will get all of my money back? I doubt it seriously. You may also be forgetting that for every dollar the employee pays into the system, his employer is required to match that amount dollar for dollar. So for every $100 that is withheld from the employee, there is actually $200 going into the system.

Medicare is not free like Medicade. They withold money from our SS checks to cover the cost of Medicare. It is like health insurance we pay for every month of our lives.

The amount of the SS payments are derived by how much was put into the system by the individual. Those who put in a bunch of money get a larger check than those who paid little or nothing.

No, it isn't fair and it is a poor system that has been robbed blind by our politicians, but it is all we have right now.

It would be far better if each individual was allowed to invest the same amount of money in some approved private investment account but the government will never allow that to happen. They would be unable to steal any of the money if it were done that way.

I'm afraid we are stuck with the system we have until it goes broke.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Chris,

We paid taxes on the money we put in and we pay again when we collect. Our employer also puts in money. I do not know where you got the four year estimate from, but nevertheless anyway you look at it we would have been better off if we could have invested the money on our own. Having said that, come up with a better plan and leave those who are already collecting alone. By the way, nothing will ever make Hillary look like child's play unless it is Rosemary's Baby!


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

It was an article in Newsweek or Time many many years ago. They did a study and found that after 4 years: you had run the gammit on your own input. The cover of the magazine was titled Greedy Geezers. And also I recall that bi-partisan panel years back....who was that Republican ex- senator...was fuming at the greed of seniors...and he was one! Can't remember his name.....But it may have been a panel Obama commissioned...or maybe it was Bush. Crap..I'll remember and look it up.

Because my gramps paid in for long time too--and he was factory worker, then house painter. Bought a house, sent son to college.....think you can do that these days??? Not a chance. Cost of Living way too high for those paying jobs. And my grams didn't pay into it at all...she got in on my gramps SS: 2 for 1 deal! If we can pay for gramma's....we can surely pay for kids! Anyway--I'm now a dog w a bone...going to find that senator...because I can see his face in my mind!


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Alan Simpson....."We all know people who milk SS for all it's worth. It's like a cow with 310 million t*ts."


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

LMC - Your math just isn't working out. Lets say I put in only 400 per month for 60 years. That equals 400 per month for 720 months. Now 720 times 400 equals 288,000 bucks. Then my employers had to match what I put in, making that total $576,000 total.

Do you really think I will live long enough to get back $576,000 bucks? I wish I could but doubt it will happen. I would take that half million bucks in one check if they would give it to me.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Chris,

I agree with Mike, His math works out. As for S.S. it is hardly a windfall. Those who depend upon it to live on are having a hard time. I wouldn't call anyone who gets it greedy. I don't know anyone who milks Social Security. I can't even imagine how you do that. I can't stand those on Food Stamps who use it in the casinos or those who are on Disability that aren't disabled. Fraud is rampant.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

Back when companies were announcing huge layoffs due to the economy or moving to foreign soil, many were able to qualify for SS disability and did so. Like so many government programs, once you jump all the hurdles and get on the dole, seldom do they take it away from anyone. I would imagine the percentage ff fraudulent claim is fairly high.

I have no problem at all with those who really need this help getting it. I do have a problem with those who use it so they no longer have to find a job and work.

From what I'm told a person with alcohol dependency qualifies for SS Disability since alcoholism is now officially a disease. I did not fact check this so it may not be true.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

But you WEREN'T putting in 400 for 60 years! Be honest....back when it started, wages were much lower...your input was much lower. But SS is adjusted for COLA....so my grandpa's 100 a month he paid became an 800 a month pay-out!

Look at it this way....if wages had kept up with COLA: minimum wage would be $22.00 an hour. (it's $9.00!!!)People have paid into SS with prevailing wages, but they collect on current ones.

AND my grandmother was on it, too...even after he died. She never put in a penny!

And I agree, as with anything...people need and take, and people don't need and still take.

But I will say....working a job and not making ends meet....it's ridiculous BS. If COLA applies to SS,,,it should apply to wages too! Why is it that work is so devalued in America?

Anyway--that commission was under Obama...and they too, were trying to find a way to stop the abuse:

Simpson: "Stop yapping your lips and listen good. This commission might be packed with millionaires, but we're looking out for little people who need Social Security."

It's just so maddening to me....we spend-- SPEND-- so much at the top end...and act like it's not all coming from the same place!


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Mike,

I also have no problem with people needing help who are truly disabled, but fraud is completely out of control. We have a bloated and inefficient bureaucracy to thank for that. They haven't a clue how to combat those who truly want to rip us off. I don't consider S,S, recipients to be a part of that crowd.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

LMC - Actually I think the SS payout is determined by the highest 10 years of your income record or something like that. Those who earn high wages put in far more than lower wage earners, thus they get more back out of the system, but never everything they put in.

The biggest problem I see is our government giving Billions of bucks to countries who hate us including China and Mexico. We still give foreign aid to China who then loans it back to us plus interest. This is insanity.

The wage issue is one that needs an overhaul for sure. But having owned a business I can tell you that wages are the biggest cost there is to any employer. The employer is stuck paying the matching bucks for SS, unemployment insurance, workers compensation insurance, liability insurance, and perhaps health insurance. So if an employer is paying the employee $10 per hour, it is costing him $15 or more per hour to keep that employee.

We now have a huge labor force of "unskilled" labor. It is the employees who have learned "skills" that earn more money, and they make money for the employer with those skills. As we have seen in this country many "unskilled" employees have been replaced by machines and robots.

There is a huge demand for "skilled" labor even in today's market and jobs available for those willing to acquire those skills. For fast food workers to demand $15 per hour for unskilled labor is not real smart. Many of those jobs can and will be replaced by machines that never call in sick and don't need benefits. There is a limit to how much the business owner can charge for a burger and fries and stay competitive. Those added labor costs have to be passed on to the consumers and that hurts all of us. Bottom line is employers have to make some profit or the business will soon close and everyone working there will lose their jobs.

Our government should be working closely with what industry we have left in this country, and setting up training programs where people can get the needed skills training. Skills training would be far better for our citizens than just handing out enough money to barely keep them from starving to death. Those machines that are rapidly replacing unskilled employees need to be installed, serviced, and maintained on a regular basis. Those who can learn the necessary skills to do that job will earn higher wages and have really good jobs.

But with the dole comes dependency, and that is what many in government want. In their mind if they feed you they own you and to some extent that is true.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Chris,

Your Grandma received compensation because of the money your Grandpa put into the system. As a widow, she needed his share of the pot because as a married couple they worked together to raise a family. Trust me, her check did;t have her living in style. By the way, the people at the top, are the very same people who pay the lions share of taxes to keep our country going. Too bad, so much of the money is wasted.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Mike,

Your comments are worthy of a hub. You have terrific insight into this issue and if you are n the mood, a hub would be fabulous.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

Thanks Patti, but those who would bother to read it already know most of this information.

I was on a company/union committee one time to deal with jobs that would be eliminated when new computerized telephone switching systems were installed. The company was willing to send each and every employee to school to train them on the new equipment. Many of the employes refused the training but were willing to take other jobs within the company.

We proposed a wage structure where employees with no skills or training would earn "X" dollars per hour just for being there. With each new job skill they learned their pay would be increased until they reached the top tier of that job category. The union refused this deal because we insisted on "testing" to prove the employee had learned the new skill prior to granting the pay increase. The union insisted that the employee going to the company paid for training was all that was needed, and testing each employee was unfair. Their reasoning was that some employees would be unable to pass the test even though they went to the school.

The union would not budge on this so the company just layed off all those who were no longer needed because their job had been replaced by a machine.

Many employees fail to realize that every new skill they learn is theirs to keep even if they leave that employer. Those learned skills can be sold to the highest bidder if there is a demand for those particular skills. Those who dug in and learned the necessary skills are still making big bucks today. Those who refused are probably working in fast food and demanding $15 per hour.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Mike,

Your story illustrates quite clearly that far too many people want something for nothing which is exactly what Socialism fosters. Without education and the willingness to work hard, life can be very bleak unless sticking out two hands and embracing something for nothing is happiness. See you at the Inn.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

I couldn't disagree more! People don't want something for nothing...they want something to show for all the work they put in! You know: like the generations before us.

$15.00 an hr is what you need to live. NOT luxuriate...simply survive. If wages can't go up, then the cost of living must go down. And you all say the owners must charge more.....how about if they take less for themselves?

It's an impossible dilemma, because people insist on demonizing workers and the poor.

For example....you say my gramma wasn't living in style.....well, I have news for you: neither are single moms! But they are demonized and made to feel ashamed for doing what a whole generation of women did!

My gramma got SS, medicare, owned a house, ate well. All this and she never put a penny in the system.......

But single moms are horrible for taking money to care for their families.

And if you say grammas can't work: neither can single moms, unless they have daycare. Or school.....but hate to see what happens when kids are sick....school vacations, etc.

We should be happy to help anyone who needs it---like we help women of my grandma's generation.

We are nasty and stingy now.

Booo


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Chris,

We are not nasty or or stingy. My younger daughter graduated college, got a job and went for a Masters at night so she could ear to stay forever and expect to earn lots of money, you are being unrealistic. Kids have jobs like that, but adults should strive for more. More people are on Food Stamps than ever before. New Jersey (where I live) has the highest rate of welfare recipients. The idea of assistance is that it is supposed to be temporary and not become a way of life. For far too many people, the welfare system is a job. The war on poverty failed, because people are lifted out of poverty by their own hand and not by the long intrusive arm of government. . As for your Grandma, her husband had SS taken out of his paycheck , and that was money for the combined household. If you don't think your Grandma deserves S.S. why do you think that single Moms do. They chose to have children and they should have weighed the consequences of raising children alone. I know such a young woman She got pregnant on purpose, had the baby and applied for every kind of assistance available. Her baby was delivered by my doctor. She paid nothing and I paid the going rate. Her child gets free medical care and she gets assistance with just about everything. No, Chris, we are not cruel at all.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

LMC - You might be very surprised at how little of the profits of any small business are left over for his or her paycheck. Most of them will not stay in business until they lose everything they have. They either have to pass costs on to their customers or go broke and close the doors.

It would be my guess that you have never owned or managed a business or this would make more sense to you. Many small business owners take less money out of a business than their highest paid employees.

I wasn't trying to demonize employees, just saying that skilled workers are what business needs these days and those with no skills will never make a great deal of money. Many of those with no skills will be replaced by machines.

Several of the fast food places now use a box in the drivethru where customers put in their own orders. That allowed the business owner to eliminate the person who staffed the drivethru window. I would bet that before too long most fast food places will be set up this way.

Many employees seem to hate small business owners and believe they are getting fabulously weathy. In most cases that is not true. The business owner pays all the bills, assumes 100% of the liability, and most work long hours every day of the week.

Your right, we need programs in place to take care of those who truly need help, and we have some. It is the fraud that will eventually cause these programs to fail.

You need to get over the SS deal with your gramma. That is the way the laws were written and I believe it was a good law. How else are they to survive if their spouse dies?

Get rid of the fraud and there would be much more money available for those in real need.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Mike,

Getting rid of fraud and eliminating ridiculous programs that waste money and produce nothing is key if we are ever going to get back on our feet as a nation. Fixing the tax code is also key. Wouldn't it be great if IRS employees actually paid the millions upon millions of tax dollars they owe?


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

Patti - Please send me an email. Many of my contacts just disappeared when I changed computers.

Thanks,

Mike


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Hmmm, lot of assumptions going on. Actually, I do manage as a job position....and I know I'm only as good as my employee's. If I treat them with respect, and they share the bennies....sky's the limit.

And wouldn't it be great if every kid who wanted to go to college could go? Pipe dream unless we change the system.

And you want to know what I think?

You don't mind giving gramma's freebies, because they are the "right" kind of women. They stayed home, took care of their husband and families....so of course, they DESERVE gvt help.

But these single women who have babies out of wedlock (lock)...well you know the term Rush used for them......

They deserve NOTHING but our contempt and degradation. Am I right?

Because I mentioned before, my ex boss is with a guy who has custody of a son....and my oh my the accolades he gets! "Of course--you need to get help...raising a child is so expensive"

It's just another form of misogyny as far as I can see.

But it works both ways.....this is one thing I remember about Prez Obama....him specifically caring about the men who had "fallen through the cracks". Too old to start new careers, not able to afford health insurance, not poor enough to get gvt help.

He wanted to make sure they were taken care of as well.

You see: I think we should be helping everybody who needs it. In fact: I think its ridiculous that quality of life is contingent on income!!

And anyone who says "we are broke" is a liar.

Business was sitting on 2.2 trillion dollars when BO was elected...who knows how much it is now.

80 people have more wealth than half the world.....someone's sure not broke!

And this was done BY DESIGN. It can be reversed BY DESIGN as well.

Corporatism has failed. And inevitably so...when you reward greed and opulence, degrade work ($9.00 minimum wage)--

It's a recipe for disaster.

Setting up the haves and have-nots is a stupid way to live IMO


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

"And wouldn't it be great if every kid who wanted to go to college could go? Pipe dream unless we change the system."

Assuming they are academically qualified, every kid that wants to go to college *can* go. They shouldn't , but they can.


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

"And anyone who says "we are broke" is a liar."

We are broke and I am not a liar. You are unable to differentiate between government and the private sector. The government has borrowed over 14 trillion dollars and that is a textbook definition of 'broke.' Private industry may be sitting on several trillion in cash reserves but that's not relevant to what the US owes to foreign countries.

"Setting up the haves and have-nots is a stupid way to live IMO"

I agree, but you contradict yourself because you continuously refer to the super-rich v. everybody else. You perpetuate the setting-up. Redistribute all their money and your life will not change for the better. Have you ever asked a poor person for a job?

Remember, LMC, if you live in the US you are fantastically wealthy relative to the rest of the world. The average household income worldwide is $9700, and the median is much much lower. Someone is waiting to tear you down just like you want to tear down the super-rich. When you opine for income redistribution, be careful what you wish for.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Student loans are a death-trap nowadays.....we should make it free, like Sanders is saying. Even "commie" Russia does that. If you want expensive education, you can still buy it. We can always have "Gold-plated schools" for those who can afford it....but student-loans are a death-trap if you're poor, and financial aid has been cut, hasn't it?

Anyway--this is an interesting read about Finland, and the quality of life

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/1...


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Listen I recently quit my long-time job, and am now working for $9.50 an hour.....TRUST me when I tell you: wealthy, I am not!

And industry IS the gvt! People ARE the gvt! Just because they choose to distance themselves to get out of paying doesn't make it any less so.

Erm, have you ever asked WHY that 2.2 trillion is not being made into jobs?

Cause I have. And I guess at the answer: They are waiting for Republican 4-fecta: House, Senate, Supreme Court...all that's missing is Presidency.

Then they can get tax breaks for creating jobs, tax breaks for bringing jobs back from over-seas, after they got tax breaks for leaving in the 1st place, AND can have a union-free work environment in which to operate.

Remember.....the reason the Kochs and Adelsons can't stand Obama....the carried interest loop-hole that he wanted to end.

It's been a Robber-Baron delight here in USA....and THAT gravy-train they don't want to end.

That is my take on it.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

LMC - If we took every dollar in the country and divided them equally among every living citizen, here is what would happen.

By the end of the first year some would be rich, some would be somewhere in the middle, and some would be flat broke looking for welfare. That is just the way it works with people and money.

When it comes to student loans, they didn't even exist when I went to college. We actually had to get jobs and work our way through school. Student loans are no worse than any other type of loan where the person who borrows the money is unable to pay it back.

You frequently use the word "free" for things like education, health care, etc. But most of us know there is no such thing as "free". Somebody has to pay the bill eventually. In most cases that somebody ends up being those who work and pay taxes.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning Chri,

It is impossible to help everyone who needs help. Job opportunities helps everyone. Welfare really just keeps the recipients down. Incentives to grow nd expand one's horizons is the answer to poverty. Education is the answer to poverty. Tax incentives to help businesses grow and hire is the answer to poverty. Poverty left in the hands of government insures that it will be around forever. The answer is to roll our sleeves up and make things happen. Sitting around and waiting for a government handout is the perfect recipe for despair and failure. Anger at the system is another waste of time. Our system may have flaws but is superior to any other on earth. Just ask the people of Greece who have grown lazy from being coddled all their lives.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear nicomp,

Thanks for addressing the college thing. In the 70's my college adopted an open enrollment policy. Any student who wanted to attend could, but they had to take remedial courses to matriculate. Very few ever did and the experiment died a miserable death. College is not an entitlement. It should be earned by good grades and once in, by hard work.


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

"College is not an entitlement. It should be earned by good grades and once in, by hard work."

It should also be paid-for. It's not free and it's worth more than that.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

The fact that it costs makes it worthless, in my mind.

That's why you have proff's who "give" A's, kids who have others do their work for them, kids who cheat, and rote education.

If it was free--they'd all be there for one reason: To educate and to learn. Lots of guys go to college to play football....do you think anyone really cares if they learn something?

We should have free schools: great schools available for all.

Free housing

Free healthcare

Free food!

Then, when we're all taken care of....our natural ablilities can come to the fore....and we can thrive as human beings, instead of worker-bees.

And it's no utopia, or pipe dream.....it can happen easily.

Just stop paying so much for crime, and pay for good things!

I mean--you let Shelly Adelson have net worth of 21.5 BILLION dollars! ONE MAN.....how many homes, housing, education, food would that pay for?

And he made his money thru crime...legalized, maybe...but still crime.

There are 80 people who could solve all the worlds problems....since it's all money-based.

Or, we can start over.

Stop making everything for profit....nationalize necessities.....make it so all can afford, all are equal at start, then we go from there.

Tell you what....no one would care who your daddy was if you had to compete in an equal setting. It'd be good for you, too. Show you what you're made of.

This whole idea that your worth is based on money is (forgive me Palin) Retarded!

I'd like to know just who's idea it was, anyway? I don't recall Capitalism written into the Constitution......and as Malcolm X said: Show me a Capitalist and I'll show you a blood-sucker. Ouch


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

LMC - How in the world could everything be free? I guess if you were a tribal member in some Jungle down in the Amazon then you would not need any money. But I'm sure that everyone in the tribe has to earn their keep by doing something for the common good of the tribe. I'm not sure what they do if a tribal member refuses to do any work. I doubt they have a welfare system. My guess is those who won't work are kicked out of the tribe unless they are too old or sick to work.

Who are those 80 people you refer to that control all the money in the world? I have never heard that one before you wrote about it.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Free in that we all contribute for the common good...very much like Scandinavia.

Once our people have a base of decency....go do whatever you wish. Rich will still be rich....only not on the back of people's survival. Something like the GI bill...but for everybody. Like Roosevelt's second bill of rights.

Because every single little baby born into USA deserves it.

And I don't get that people decry "European Socialism", at the same time they say Europeans are rightful heirs to America!

Anyway...I wanted to mention that despicable comment about Greek people....I always heard that Greeks think taxes are theft, so their debt is due to so many millionaires not paying taxes.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-25/biggest-p...

that's where USA is similar *wink*


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

I never heard that about Europeans being the rightful heirs to America. Where did you get that information?


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

By they way only about 51% of Americans pay any taxes at all. And then some get income tax refunds even though they didn't pay any tax at all. Does this seem right to you?


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Here's the link to 80 people: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/meet-the-80-peo...

You can google more sources....

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And I thought that's what all the immigrant fighting was about? WE don't want YOU in our country?

Trump can say it's only about illegal aliens....but that comment he made "go back to Univision", King saying they have calves like watermelons, etc etc Obviously they're not pure, like certain white European people. How about "No Irish need apply?.....surely we remember "whites only": was law of the land! My grandfather, as a Slav, was not fond of the"blue-bloods".

"My ancestors fought"..blah blah blah

We want our country back......isn't this what they are saying?

We want white, Christian America?...From European heritage.

Oh, I don't know: That's what it feels like.

And it's not true that 51% pay no taxes. They pay no INCOME taxes, because they have no income!

Nearly everything you buy is taxed, save food and clothes, right? Own a home? Taxed. Own a car? Taxed. Gas for car? Taxed. Buy toilet paper? Taxed. Buy items from that lovely business? Taxed!

Every working person pays FICA.

To me--it's a sad commentary that 51% of Americans don't have enough money to PAY income taxes on it!

Imagine that: working to be poor. What an idiotic concept.

Meanwhile, your life slips away.

You might consider that Nirvana...I think it's a cruel hoax.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

OMG!!!

I was just reading down that list of 80 wealthiest people....

Carl Ichan, #25....is one who bailed Trump out of bankruptcy!!

Trump: ‘Icahn Could Turn U.S. Trade Deals Around’

******

Ahhhhhhh, the beholden is coming out.....


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

LMC I noticed that two on that list are from Mexico. Wouldn't it be great if they would help some of the starving citizens of their own country?

Bill Gates was at the top of the list and from what I know he gives away huge sums of money every year for really good purposes.

Just because a person is rich doesn't automatically make them evil.

I should have said people pay no "income tax". Some who pay little or no tax are very wealthy and they were able to use lobbyists to buy tax loopholes for their own special interests. Some are cash-only business's such as drug dealers and prostitutes. Not all of those who pay no income tax are the working poor.

It would be much more fair if we did away with the entire current tax codes and used a National Sales Tax. Then everyone would pay their fair share when they purchased goods. It is quite obvious that the very rich buy more things than the poor so they would pay more in taxes.

I can tell that you are very frustrated with the current system as are most of us. Our politicians have decided that they are the "ruling class" and most of the laws they make do not apply to them. That is why we need to get rid of most of those who are in there and replace them with people willing to change the system back to what it was intended to be.

You seem to be really down on Capitalism, but it works for most of us. I guess you could try living in Russia for awhile and see how you like Communism. I really doubt you would like it.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

*sigh*...always with the "if you don't like it leave"....REALLY sick of that!

Why don't you leave? Maybe Dubai would be more to your liking...NO income tax there. Serf and Lord. "bowing to your presence"

Sales tax? Not good enough. It would have to be humongous--thereby hurting the poor and middle class yet again!

And did I just hear Trump say that Hedge fund managers have to pay more?? Did he really say that the middle class has been decimated because they have been used to pay the taxes the rich get away from ??

WOW...is he a commie too?

The current system has obviously favored the Uber rich....ok fine: we tried, it didn't work.

As far as I'm concerned...they can be the ones to pay it back....not me!

I didn't participate in the party....why should I do the clean up?

The Rich have swindled,,,yes swindled our country's wealth.

Time to give it back, and live within reasonable means.

A ceo does not deserve 578 times more money than the workers make.

It's utterly ridiculous.....

And as Trump just said: bravo! "Many of my friends pay next to nothing in taxes"....

"Only the little people pay taxes" Has got to end!

Commie or not!


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

First off, I didn't say if you don't like it you can leave. But then we all have choices. I don't like cold weather so I "CHOOSE" to live in a warm climate.

You are obviously very angry about a lot of issues. What are you doing to make things better? We all whine and complain at time but it never gets us anywhere.

If you don't like your current situation there really are things you can do to make it better.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Good Morning Chris,

The society you wish for does not exist. Like it or not life is not a free ride. What you are discussing is a fairytale that will always have a nightmarish ending. I have to echo Old Poolman's words. If you are so angry about your life, reinvent it. Get a better job, get new training and education. You are the answer to your problems.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

But it IS a free ride!

For rich people who don't pay taxes

For my gramma's generation of women

For men who impregnate women

For churches

Do you not believe Trump? "Many of my friends pay next to nothing in taxes"...ok. Next to free.

***

And for the record I am not angry, or hating, or any of that. I am expressing my opinions, and don't need your psychological assessments of them TYVM.

Nor do I need your condescension.

I'm 54 years old. Have 38 yrs on the workforce....if that counts for nothing to anyone...how is that my problem?

Here's a little clue: last 3 jobs I've had...including the one now, I'm in management/supervisor position.

One was retail chain

One was family biz

Current one is resort......

Guess what main issue for all of them?

Saving money. Keeping money for themselves. Payroll tied to managers bonus.

I used to ask...what about customer service? Happy employees? I don't bother anymore.

I really don't need an education about life from you 2. Maybe you could educate business owners?: Hint: A good-paying job with nice bennies makes for a happier employee, a better work environment and better customer service.

Is that so hard to comprehend? Maybe you 2 need to go back to school...since we're being condescending and all :-) happy face--see, I'm nice!


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Here's a great one.....televangelists!

Since they are a church, they don't pay taxes.....

Free ride, Baby!

https://youtu.be/YfVZnrg7e_E


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

And since we're talking about choices......why do we CHOOSE to allow poverty to continue?

We can CHOOSE to eradicate it.

or is this choice talk just hot air?


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bradmasterOCcal 15 months ago from Orange County California

I was going to comment, but it seems that the subject has turned emotional.

Not your fault BP


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear brad,

Thanks, I appreciate you and your comment.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh please--don't leave on my account. I'll go. Have your rational discussion about rotten socialists.

Good day comrade capitalists!!


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear Chris,

Sorry you think we are being condescending, but we are actually being truthful. You do need a better job. I can't imagine where you work, because a management position certainly should pay more than what you are earning. As for the evil rich, all I can say is that it is absurd to think that they don't pay taxes. Take their money and incentive to work away and say good-bye to a functioning nation. By the way, the poor are taken care of in this country. We have been waging a war on poverty forever and we still have poor people. The only way out of poverty is through education, not freebies.


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lovemychris 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Here is what I wish.....I wish everyone would be forced to walk in an other's shoes before pronouncing judgements, or thinking they have all the answers....or thinking their way is the only way.

Humanity is ancient. If you think Capitalism is the be all and end all: you lack imagination.

I will leave you now to your absolute knowledge of all truth.

Sayonara baby....off to be a televangelist or run a casino....where the real money is.


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Old Poolman 15 months ago from Rural Arizona

LMC - Good luck to you and have a great life.


Breakfastpop 15 months ago

Ditto!


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

"Maybe you could educate business owners?: Hint: A good-paying job with nice bennies makes for a happier employee, a better work environment and better customer service."

Um... maybe you're not at good an employee as you think... why couldn't you convince them?


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teaches12345 15 months ago

I believe the free ride is over for the Americans as well. Hopefully, we will wake up and find a better way of living -- on our own merit.


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nicomp 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

Who got a free ride?


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear teaches,

Success always rest upon the individual. If someone is waiting for government to turn their life around, OMG! See you at the Inn.


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breakfastpop 15 months ago Author

Dear teaches,

Judging by the popularity of Sanders, many Americans just desire the notion of a big government free ride. See you at the inn. Make sure you aren't being followed.


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tsadjatko 12 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Speaking of jobs the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data indicates that the total number of hours all Americans combined are working each year is at exactly the same level as it was in 2007. Not one hour more.

So all the data on job creation under Obama are meaningless. It is just more people dividing up the same number of working hours and much the same pay. It's a bit like the French solution to unemployment which was to cut the work week to 30 hours so everybody could share a job. No increase in total work or total compensation, just spread the work around a bit. ObamaCare's incentives to hire only part time workers and the various other constraints federal regulations impose on full time employment are accomplishing the same goal in America.

So the weekly job reports of 200,000 or more new jobs created are, therefore, a total fiction. It is the same number of hours, just sliced and diced differently.


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nicomp 12 months ago from Ohio, USA

"So all the data on job creation under Obama are meaningless. "

Just like under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, yada yada yada.


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Old Poolman 12 months ago from Rural Arizona

I had a feeling the Obamacare 30 hour rule was more about the unemployment numbers than it was about healthcare. But it still fooled a heck of a lot of people including the Media.


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tsadjatko 12 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

"Just like under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, yada yada yada." What does that mean? there is no equivalency between jobs created under them and "jobs" created under Obama.


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breakfastpop 12 months ago Author

Good Morning dear friends,

Under Obama the stats are all cooked to give the exact result he demands. Let's meet at the Inn and talk about the end of world as we know it.


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fpherj48 12 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

pop......slap your mouth! We've been sworn to remain positive and strong! Our world as we know (knew) it will be fine once again. Please don't let all our hope & struggle be a pipe dream just yet.

When it's time to jump. we'll all pile in with Thelma & Louise & go over the cliff together. Till then, hang tight!


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breakfastpop 12 months ago Author

Dear fp,

Thank you for bringing me back from the cliff. I'll hang tight and I know I will be in great company.


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fpherj48 12 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

No problem. That's my job.

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