Standing OUR Ground?

"Don't agonize--organize"

On Saturday, July 13, I went to post the results of the Pittsburgh Pirates game on my Facebook. I was greeted by a barrage of posts that informed me that George ZImmerman had been found not guilty on all counts in the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

I had concerns that such a verdict would lead to riots like what we saw in Los Angeles after the Rodney King trial. I was pleased to hear that all seemed quiet on that front. Such activities would only add to the case of the insurrectionists and insurgents who, in George Zimmerman, may now may have a new hero.

But there does need to be some sort of response. We cannot send the message that an unarmed youth can be pursued and shot by a citizen. There are calls to file Federal Civil Rights charges against George Zimmerman. I think some sort of civil suit is also in order. Zimmerman will likely be a sought-after speaker at the gun shows, etc that make up the insurrectionist circuit that folks like Ted Nugent and Sarah Palin travel. As a means of direct action, I wonder what reminder 20 or so people in black hooded sweatshirts would be to Zimmerman as he tells his story?

Florida needs to be held responsible for this as well. An economic boycott of the state would let its businesses and residents know that allowing an African-American youth to be hunted and shot for simply being in "the wrong neighborhood" is not accepted. It also needs to go well beyond cancelling vacations and not buying orange juice to include branded merchandise like the Miami Heat, Florida State Seminoles, etc.

There's also the matter of taking the struggle past Florida. Many states have laws similar to Florida's. The National Rilfle Association, and the group ALEC have passed "Stand Your Ground" or "Castle Doctrine" laws. These laws need to be fought and those who supported them need to be held accountable or perhaps voted out.

Trayvon Martin is not the first person to pay what the NRA would see as a price of freedom. The question is, what needs to be done to make sure he is one of the last?

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Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

So, your idea is to hurt the livelihood of the citizens of Florida, by boycotting any business in Florida, because a jury did it's job by following the law and utilizing evidence rather than emotion?

Are you also then, going to boycott Illinois for the hundreds of murders every year in Chicago? Are you going to fight for those killings to receive the kind of media hype that this case did?

There is no doubt that this was a tragedy, but what evidence was provided in court to convict Zimmerman of the charges beyond a reasonable doubt, as the law requires?


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

Did I strike a nerve?

You sound like the kind of person that Zimmerman is a hero to, Mitch!


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Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

No, actually, I don't. Based on the evidence and the rule of law, which is how decisions should be made, I see no conclusive, beyond a shadow of a doubt verdict that could have been handed down other than the one that was given. I do not toss around the term hero lightly and would not use it in this context. Heroes are many of the Founding Fathers, many of those who serve in uniform, Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, Winston Churchill...etc.

I am, unlike the race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson, not one to put race, or more accurately ethnicity, at the forefront of my decisions and choices. If you think the stand your ground law is wrong, then get involved politically to enact change. Do you also believe the recent stand your ground case where a black man killed a white man is wrong and the black man should be found guilty? To me, if the evidence turns out to be similar to the Zimmerman case, then the black guy should be found not guilty as well. I'm consistent in my beliefs...are you?


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

tpc sez: We cannot send the message that an unarmed youth can be pursued and shot by a citizen.

Jack replies: And ~this~ is why we can't actually have productive dialogue with people such as tpc. He refuses to admit to the truth of what happened as testified by every witness, including the prosecutions, and must make up things just so he can have a strawman to beat.

He's little different from a flat earther at a geology convention.


Eli Moore 3 years ago

"But there does need to be some sort of response. We cannot send the message that an unarmed youth can be pursued and shot by a citizen."

THE MESSAGE HAS BEEN SENT.

Your life IS NOT more valuable than the other man on the street because you are a particular race. That is, Trayvon Martin, contrary to what you seem to think (if you actually know what happened) is not free to hurt other people at his will and then be immune from defense.

It is as clear as that. You are disgraceful if you think Trayvon had a right to attack Zimmerman because he was black. And no one will take you seriously except the profit-seeking media and the hooligans on the streets who do nothing as children are killed everyday in Chicago, Detroit, Newark, et al.

You refuse to talk about the facts of the case because you don't even care about justice. You just think Trayvon is more valuable than Zimmerman, which is downright sickening, and medieval.

J U S T I C E is the right to be regarded as equal to everyone else and judged accordingly. If someone attacks you, beats your face, then you can certainly shoot them.

All the physical evidence showed that Trayvon was shot as he was leaning over George Zimmerman.

The timeline showed that Trayvon had plenty of time to leave IF George was actually persistently tailing him, which other evidence suggests he NEVER DID.

This is an ignoramus article. You clearly didn't even watch the trail and now you're coming out to join the mob because of something you heard on Facebook.

And you expect people to take this seriously?

A sequestered jury consisting of 5 mothers didn't take it seriously. Why is that? Oh, let me guess, IT'S THE OMNIPRESENT RACIST CONSPIRACY OF APPLYING THE LAW TO EVERYONE EQUALLY!


Eli Moore 3 years ago

For Christ's sake! If you want to know what happened to Trayvon Martin. If you REALLY want to know, GET OFF FACEBOOK, TURN OFF THE PROFIT-SEEKING MEDIA, and watch the trial. The trial was broadcast live the entire time it was going on. Where were you, if you are really that concerned about Trayvon Martin? It was recorded and posted on YouTube. Go watch it. Go watch it if you really care about truth and justice like sending messages.


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KT Banks 3 years ago from Texas

Let me ask a question... What would YOU do, if you were walking down the street one night, and someone was following and stalking you?

If a person feels concern for their safety, as I would in that situation --- I would also try to fight for my life. It's human instinct ( I don't give a ____, about what race you are.)

Lawyers and the "justice" system can spin things however they want to. The bottom line is that young man was probably scared and maybe a little angry at feeling threatened, and he was trying to fight for his life. He LOST his LIFE, because this man was on a power trip and wanted to Bully someone.

And Yes, I have followed the trail and read news stories about it.

We have also cancelled our planned vacation to Florida. Not to hurt the citizens of that beautiful state, but because of verdicts like this and the Casey Anthony trail, I just don't feel comfortable going there right now. Especially with my teenaged son.

To me, it's not about Race. It's about a man going totally free after making such bad decisions, that ended up with a Murder. He Murdered that young man, and now he's free to live his life without punishment. He should have at the very least gotten Manslaughter.

And guess what? I believe in the right to bear arms, but not to just kill anyone you want to!


Eli Moore 3 years ago

KT Banks,

"Let me ask a question... What would YOU do, if you were walking down the street one night, and someone was following and stalking you?"

Now I have said this in a comment on a previous Hub, so I don't want to retell the stories.

But, I went--and still go--to college in a majority black urban area. I have also been to the city of Newark, as it is a major transportation hub in my state.

90% of all assaults, robberies, etc. around my college have been committed by black males.

I have been stalked and taunted at night by a 30-year-old black male when I was 18 and went to go by pizza after an exam. I was almost jumped by two 30-year-old black men while I was trying to buy a train ticket.

In each and everyone of those instances I immediately retreated and left the area. I didn't talk to the man trying to lure me. I walked away from the men behind my back and bought a ticket somewhere else. It would still be illegal for me to attack those men. And it would be dangerous. Very dangerous in the area I went to school.

As far as Trayvon Martin, IF YOU ACTUALLY DID WATCH THE TRIAL (which I KNOW you did not) you would know that there were a definite 4 minutes after the time Trayvon ran when George Zimmerman COULD NOT have been coming after him. Why? Because he was on the phone with Shawn Noffke. Because witnesses heard when the fight first started.

Trayvon Martin also even made it back to his house, according to his friend Rachel Jeantel.

This is why Zimmerman was not the instigator. And it is why he was acquitted of even manslaughter.

You need to get your head on straight first. Then go watch the trial.

P.S., You should check out the text messages from Martin's phone that WEREN'T EVEN ALLOWED in court. They showed that he was a serial fighter. That he frequently texted about fights. That his older brother asked him to teach him how to fight. That he beat people up and then planned to fight them again.

Of course, those texts weren't even needed in this trial in order to acquit Zimmerman. The evidence that was allowed was plenty.


KT Banks profile image

KT Banks 3 years ago from Texas

Eli Moore, you have a right to your opinions, even if they are a biased based on your own experiences. I am sorry for you that you have been through those ordeals.

I absolutely did watch much of the trail and and, as I stated, read much of the news coverage. There were a lot of things ON BOTH sides that was not allowed in court, which is why I made the comment that I don't care how they SPIN things in court.

I am not biased about this case. I am not Black or Latino (or whatever Race Zimmerman is) Race does not play into it for me. It sounds as if you are reading into events from your own experiences and not listening to every account.

You disrespect me again, by telling me to get my head on straight, I may just take the gloves off and give you a real fight myself. Yes, I believe in standing up for myself and standing my ground when threatened. Even when YOU are trying to bully me, young man!


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Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

KT Banks,

Did you forget that Trayvon left the area where Zimmerman was. That Zimmerman did NOT follow him as he went all the way down the road. Then Trayvon came back to where Zimmerman was. If, Trayvon was so afraid, then why did he return and why didn't he call the police?

What specific, factual evidence are y0u aware of that would prove, without a shadow of a doubt that the events did not transpire as Zimmerman and other have described it? Be specific and don't use mere speculation.


Eli Moore 3 years ago

KT Banks,

They weren't ordeals. It's just the REALITY of everyday life on the East Coast.

If you hang around in the wrong place for too long, people will victimize you. It happened every single week I went to school: robbery after robbery after assault after assault.

I NEVER became a victim of anything because I simply did not play into the hands of criminals.

My point is that I have been in far worse situations with REAL criminals (not friendly neighborhood watchmen) and it was still easy for me to not get in any trouble.

In the North East, there ARE NO STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS. You have a legal duty to retreat, and that's what I did.

I never because a victim.

Martin, on the other hand, did not have to fight Zimmerman. Read his texts. Listen to Rachel Jeantel's testimony. She knew he was deliberately getting into a fight which is why she never called the police.

Martin texted about multiple illegal street fights he was in before he encountered Zimmerman.

Martin made it back to his own house minutes before he got into a confrontation with Zimmerman, according to Jeantel.


Jack Burton profile image

Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

kt sez: Let me ask a question... What would YOU do, if you were walking down the street one night, and someone was following and stalking you?

Jack replies: You cannot claim to have watched the trial and ask a question such as that without losing your integrity.


Eli Moore 3 years ago

Jack Burton,

Yea, right? The entire case against Zimmerman was built on hyperbole and sophistry.

They use "stalking" to try and insinuate that Zimmerman was doing something illegal to Trayvon.

"Stalking," however, has no legal significance in this case. To "stalk" someone requires you to persistently follow them over the course of a long time.

You cannot even bring a case against someone for "stalking" if they, as a neighborhood WATCHMAN, just watched the person, keeping an appropriate distance, for like 5 minutes.

It's utterly ridiculous. They just don't wanna admit that Trayvon's texts indicated that he was the kind of guy who would beat you up for looking at him the wrong way.


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KT Banks 3 years ago from Texas

Read this, even if you just read a little bit of it...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/15/6-decisio...{%2210200124413820122%22%3A531038856967503}&action_type_map={%2210200124413820122%22%3A%22og.likes%22}&action_ref_map=[]


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

I believe in my hub I mention that efforts to fix SYG needs to me made


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

And your response is why a dialog with an "Insurrectionist" like you is useless.

I'll wait for Love My Chris, etc to come and show your views clearly


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

It's not NRA-approved, A lot of the folks here won't read it


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KT Banks 3 years ago from Texas

I was so irritated the other day with people trying to gang up on me here, for stating me opinions. I was told I should get my head on straight, and one guy said I had no integrity. Listen people: It's okay to disagree, it's not okay to be rude and disrespectful about it. Anyone who knows me, knows I have a lot of integrity.

And by the way, when you're being so rude to other people - your comments are public, and many others think your just wrong, based on your behavior. You lose any point you were trying to make.

TeaPartyCrasher - this is a great hub, and I salute you for writing it and standing your ground. Voted Up and more!


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south

Your article is well written and well articulated, but too opinionated.

Although it is tragic what happened that fateful night between zimmerman and martin, many are basing their opinions on their emotions and not the facts.

1. Yes, it is tragic that a 17 y.o. boy (young man) lost his life.

2. Yes, it could have been avoided if this grown man had not been patrolling his neighborhood to ensure the safety of his neighbors.

3. Yes, he could have used a different approach and simply walked away from a stranger that was walking through a gated complex, that had recent break ins and burglaries.

4. Yes, he could have listened to the police when they told him not to pursue this stranger.

BUT as those circumstances unfolded, there is no other living person who saw, or heard, what transpired between these two individuals.

I am sure that Mr Z could not have known that this was a 17 y.o. in the dark of the night, and can only surmise the confrontational stance this young man might have taken against a stranger approaching him in the dark of the night.

It is easy to judge what we "THINK" we would have done under those same circumstances, especially knowing the outcome after the fact.

We are trying to second guess the jurors who saw and heard all the evidence presented to them at this trial. If there had been definitive proof of what happened in either scenario presented by the prosecution or the defense - the results of the trial would have had a different outcome.

So, now we have half of this nation, and comments from outside of this country, passing emotional judgments on something they have no intimate knowledge of.

When we start second guessing juries, and promote further attacks on the defendant through additional legal means, just to satisfy our personal brands of justice, we are in essence attacking the judicial system itself.

Fortunately for the rest of us, our system is the best we have, and it protects the innocent from being thrown in prison on circumstantial evidence (or it should). We all know that many are in prisons for life for something they were not guilty of based on emotionally charged circumstantial evidence.

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