THE RESULT OF HOMOSEXUAL "MARRIAGE".

The beginning of everything is easy; it is the outcome that matters.

These were the responses I had for my previous HUB. My own comment follows below theirs. (To whom it may concern: Sorry for the quotes).

Anne Pettit Level 2 Commenter 10 hours ago

Historically, many cultures have had same sex marriages for centuries. There are not as many as hetero because gays and lesbians represent only 10% of the adult population globally.

Obama is right to support civil rights for gay people.

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Jean Bakula Level 7 Commenter 7 hours ago

Civil Rights belong to everyone. When I was a child, black people did not have the right to vote. Before that, women did not have rights. Gay people are real, whole, people, and deserve the same rights for their real contributions to society that anyone else has. You don't have to agree with their orientation, to agree they should be treated with fairness. I am pleased that our country is moving forward and evolving. I am not gay myself, but that does not matter. Our Constitution in America says all people are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I believe President Obama's move is what our Founding Fathers would have wanted. Whether he feels it in his heart or made his statement for political reasons is not my place to judge.

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owurakwasip Hub Author 8 minutes ago

Jean and Anne,

Homosexual "marriage" is not, and has never been, a civil rights issue.

Everyone has the same rights as your blogs have espoused; however, real marriage happened to be a sacred institution and it should be left alone.

Homosexuals and people like them could do whatever they chose to do with their lives, and I for one couldn't care less about that.

However, to force their life styles on other people, and furthermore to ask for their relationships to be recognized as "marriage" would be nothing less than egregious.

Consider the confusion that would come about for society to deal with. That would certainly be a violation of other peoples' rights. Isn't it?

Both of you seem to be very well informed, and so you are liable to read any book; therefore, I will advise you to pick up the Bible and read it, and you will discover where such a life style and its other variations will lead humanity.

They (life styles) spell the end of human existence.

Is that what you want?

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American Romance 4 years ago from America

Wether he is right or wrong (and he is wrong) Conservatives can win this election simply by playing this one thing right! Tapes show Obama touting marriage between man and woman..............and now the gay marriage supporter!..............he just lost all independent votes, and most older Democrats


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ib radmasters 4 years ago from Southern California

My opinion is that marriage is not a constitutional right,it is merely something that a state licenses like a license to drive a vehicle on the road.

If marriage was a constitutional right, then it would not be a license, and it would not be up to the states to allow it.


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mikelong 4 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Don't be so quick to use absolute terms Owurakwasip.

"Marriage" sacred? It wasn't that long ago that "marriage" between two black people was considered a joke.. (Think about how many white/slave owning Americans were diddling their female "human livestock", as well as the various types of genetic manipulation that were going on to produce the "best" slaves....

"Marriage" is a word that has been hijacked and "sanctified" only in very recent history (a few hundred years) and ONLY by Europeans who decided to run around the world stomping out whoever behaved differently from them.

This is absolutely a civil rights issue, and no one (aside from Conservative Christians) is forcing someone else to "force" their lifestyle on anyone else (then again, Christianity has continued to be a tool of powermongering for a long, long time. Christians have no right to talk about "being forced" to do anything...unless they wish to be hypocrites).

The majority of Americans, who support gay marriage by the way, do not feel "forced"...

Marriage is about equal rights under the law. A civil union and marriage are not the same. Since we are a nation of "rights", and since we are a nation where marriage comes with legal privilege, there shall be no favoritism of one over the other, especially on the bigoted basis of Bible-beliefs... We are secular for a reason....not all Americans are religious, and the "religious" numbers are thinning over time (thank God).

No one is forcing you to be gay. No one is forcing your church to hold a gay wedding, and no one is compelling you to attend any gay marriage service.

However, to deny legal rights on the basis of sexual orientation is bigotry....no ifs, ands, or buts.


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ib radmasters 4 years ago from Southern California

mikelong

Marriage is not a constitutional right, period..

When you bandy about words like Rights, where is your foundation?

Sexual orientation is a choice or a preference, and so are taking drugs. But we don't have a right to take any kind of drugs.

BTW, same sex marriage does nothing for gays, or straights that have a loving long term relationship but don't want to get married.

Also instead of ruining a traditional marriage, why don't the politically powerful gays, work on making civil unions equal to marriage?


owurakwasip 4 years ago Author

mikelong,

Why the name change? People who are heterosexual will not change that name for anything else. Why not? Because they are proud of who and what they are.

Calling yourselves "gay" means that you are hiding something. In the English language, the word "gay" means "happy"; and so, if you are a homosexual, you must be proud of your life style and therefore you must call yourself a "homosexual".

The change of name is deceptive, to say the least; because they cannot claim it exclusively just for themselves. Their lives can be happy or miserable, just like other people.

Again, mikelong, it seems that you are hiding behind a word that does not mean "homosexual".

Show your face in public and tell everybody that you are a homosexual. You must be able to do so in broad daylight; otherwise, where is your pride to be one?

In this world, every important and meaningful thing has a purpose. That includes any kind of life style.

I have told my readers about what the purpose of real marriage was (and still is). It is for pro-creation.

Homosexuality has no purpose.

If you doubt me, tell the world what that purpose is.

I have also told my readers that I have nothing against homosexuals, per se; but their insistence on ruining marriage, as I have been brought up to know it, was what drove me up the wall.

Obama has tricked his homosexual friends. He has separated them from society. What he said was,

"I think same sex couples can get married," (ABC interview, taped 5/09/12, and appearing on national TV the following day).

That makes it clear that, with homosexuals wanting the kind of relationship they are advocating, one that will be equal to or to equate traditional marriage with, and for that to be accepted by society, it (relationship) has been given a new name as, "same sex marriage"; thus setting it aside from traditional marriage.

That goes to show that the two institutions are still not equal or not the same. They are as different from each other as night and day. If so, where is the equality or civil rights issue here?

He was able to fool the whole nation by his statement. So, please, don't get upset. He was directing it (statement) to heterosexuals too.

P.S. By the way, mikelong, be careful of what you say about the Bible.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

Are we missing the bigger picture here? When will we come out and say the reason we do not want gay marriage sanctified is because it is a perverision of the natural! A man who can only get off by placing his penis into another mans sphincter muscle sincerely has something wrong in his brain! He either didn't get enough male hormones and should have had a vagina, but that doesn't explain the butchy guys who desire these lady like sissy boys! .............This is a perversion! It is allowing ones mind to go places it should not go! No different than those who begin serial killing! They seem natural on the surface but something dark and sinister lies beneath! At least they don't kill......except in the spreading of AIDS! I am more than willing to tolerate gays, I am not a homophobe etc. I simply want them to stay in the closet and leave the rest of us alone!


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mikelong 4 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Marriage is not a Constitutional right?

I think you have misunderstood the entire concept of the constitution...

Are all inalienable rights listed in the Bill of Rights? Is that what Jefferson wrote?

No......

The problem is, however, that conservatives had done their best to systematically support bans on what are inalienable rights.... Certain religions have attempted to destroy, through direct and indirect inquisition, all traditions that they deemed "unworthy"...or rather, certain power sources have used the justification and support of certain religions, or certain strains of certain religions, to build a huge tax base...

Do not separate homosexual unions from "traditional marriage".... Christianity and the Judaic system is not "old"....there were far more other traditions already here... Imperialism of the soul on the part of your and similar twists on Christianity have usurped "traditional"...but that is all it is.

If you can't see your bigotry, I don't know what to say. Maybe you are ignorant of reality, and in that case I don't want to offend you. But, if this is your tried and true belief, than bigotry it is...

"This is a perversion"....."I am not a homophobe"...

No... In this case you are far worse...

You have definitely missed the bigger picture....but you can get passed this.

I was like you once.... Get past your personal issues and stop using your twist on religion (American Romance) and misinterpretations of the Constitution to back your claims...

Get past your issues. You can do what you want with yourselves.... But you have no right to limit the inalienable rights of others... You don't want to live in a totalitarian state, do you? You don't want to live in a theocracy, do you? Don't you stand for the "freedom" and "liberty" of the United States of America?

Or is that just as long as YOU approve... In that case, you might find China or Iran more to your liking...


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mikelong 4 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Your rights do not come from the Constitution...and there is no religious monopoly on what these rights are and from whence they derived...


owurakwasip 4 years ago Author

mikelong,

You still did not understand me. I raised two important points in my blog, but you did not respond to any of them.

First, heterosexuals will not change that name for anything else. They are proud of it.

Second, homosexuals are hiding something. If not, why the change of name?

In the English language, the word "gay" means "happy"; it does not mean "homosexual".

So, if you are proud to be a homosexual, why do you want to hide behind another name? Call yourself a homosexual.

I for one couldn't care less about what homosexuals did with their lives; but they have to stop defecating society with their filth.

Marriage is a union between one man and one woman; and what don't they understand about that?

Nobody is saying that you, as a homosexual, are not supposed to do whatever you want to do; but don't tell me that two men can "marry" each other.

That is pure perversion.

You can have any type of relationship or cohabitation arrangement, but do not call that "marriage".

Every culture on earth has declared homosexuality as deviant behavior; and there is no way that anybody can change that notion.

Yet, that is not even the issue here.

The homosexual community calling themselves "gay" is deceptive.

To call your relationship(s) "marriage" is preposterous.

That is the issue.

You must get it through your thick skull, mikelong, that real marriage is exclusively a union between one man and one woman.

Third, (and I am just pointing that out) and last but not least, is for homosexuals to stop destroying the reputation and the good name of the first African American president of the United States.

He does not need homosexuals to succeed. Please, leave him alone.


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mikelong 4 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Wow, it seems that there are some serious issues to be sorted out here....and it isn't my "thick skull" as you put it that will have to "get it"...

The deception is, rather, in your words... Perhaps you have something to hide...the projection you are projecting is thick...

The only perversion here is your use of logic and reasoning... You have no sense about what you speak, and your interpretation of the United States and "deviant behavior" are highly flawed.

I am embarrassed to have you as a countryman....


owurakwasip 4 years ago Author

mikelong,

You never discuss the issues in question; do you?

Point after point you have misunderstood the conversation I have had with you.

In other words, you tend to be a natural born "point missing" person.

I am sorry, I have to give up on you.

Only pray that you will be saved. I will do the same for you.

I hope you will grasp what I am saying. However, I doubt it.


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mikelong 4 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

I did.. You may not like what I have to say, but I did.

You point to things that you clearly don't understand, and then (when you don't understand) you project onto others.

You can't understand people like me, that is fine.....you can't see how people can live without the Bible, without your twisted views on "perversion"...

But these are your problems, and I urge you to work on them.

It is sad that you would hold views that harm the men and women who serve to make sure you have the ability to think for yourself (even though you don't seem to be doing a very good job of it).

I was like you once, believe me...which is why I understand your views, and see them as nonsense.

One does not have to be gay to understand what I am saying.....but one definitely needs to be able to get past their bigotry... I am not gay, and I was able to do so...

Wake up, you are capable of far greater things..

The last thing I need to do is pray to be saved...I feel for people who spend their time (wasted) on the "afterlife"... Stuff and nonsense....delusion to make the weak feel more comfortable about this fleeting moment we call life...

How arrogant of some people, like you, to walk about as if they have something special....

You don't have anything....except hate and bigotry that you cover up with a Bible... Nonsense...

Your "moral uprightness" is an egotistical sham that you probably are too entangled in to see or understand.... But that is on you.

I am glad that I don't have to deal with these issues, and that I understand what life is actually about...


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ib radmasters 4 years ago from Southern California

MikeLong

You say

---Marriage is not a Constitutional right?

I think you have misunderstood the entire concept of the constitution...

Are all inalienable rights listed in the Bill of Rights? Is that what Jefferson wrote?

---

My opinion is that marriage is not a constitutional right,it is merely something that a state licenses like a license to drive a vehicle on the road.

If marriage was a constitutional right, then it would not be a license, and it would not be up to the states to allow it.

If marriage was a constitutional right it would be a federal issue, and not one that is controlled by a state.

Just because you call something a right, it doesn't make it so.

Do you that All Men Are Created EQUAL? and does men exclude or include women. Remember that women didn't have the right to vote until it became an amendment to the constitution.


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mikelong 4 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

That is your opinion. I disagree.

Just because you claim something is not a right does not make it so.

In terms of your argument about men and women being equal and voting rights in the Constitution, again, did the men writing the Constitution make up rights? Did they grant rights?

No...

There were Framers who were opposed to slavery, and understood that human rights transcended "race", but there were others who opposed, and they left it up to the future generations to see past their deadlock...

It may have taken two hundred years, but we can now look forward and say that all men, regardless of race, religion, and creed, are all equal. Rights for women follow the same route...

Is it taking time to overcome the domination of man over woman (which is not found uniformly from culture to culture throughout history...mind you), and I realize that women have inalienable rights as do men, the same rights in terms of their society...

Do you not agree?

I don't need someone in the 18th century, a flawed time indeed, to write something down...

In terms of your state licenses issue....

While our nation was founded on ideals, it has not been governed or structured ideally...

Equating marriage to a drivers license is nonsensical...there is no argument there (it may sound like it, but there is no correlation).

No national law? The GOP has worked long and hard to put a national ban in place.....so, there very well could have been a law... But, thank God, we have not stepped into that stupidity.

Equal protection under the law.... Equal status when it comes to taxation...when it comes to property rights...when it comes to the ability to live free...

If I was looking for state regulation of an issue like this I'd look to failed theocracies and totalitarian states as models...

But I am an American.....and I understand the value of liberty...

"If marriage was a constitutional right, then it would not be a license, and it would not be up to the states to allow it." --Flawed thinking, at best.

Your views are your own....and no one is forcing you to be gay, to attend gay marriages, or to pay for them, etc... Why you can't get past telling others what to do, I don't know...


owurakwasip 4 years ago Author

ib radmasters, I couldn't agree with you more. Thanks.


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mikelong 4 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Yeah, that makes about as much sense as the states banning interracial marriage.... Nonsense.

I am glad that we are living in a time when your views are being removed from public governance.

What you decide to do with yourself is fine, and I feel sorry for your neighbors, friends, and relatives who you would decide are less American than you based on who they love and want to spend their lives with.

You have proven clearly why the separation between church and state is so important...you make the perfect case for secular rule over theocracy...

This is not the United States of Christianity... Thank God for that....


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mikelong 4 years ago from The largest convict colony in the United States

Every Lesbian and Gay man and woman in uniform should leave service, and let the heterosexuals solely carry the burden of protecting this nation. Are you willing to take someones place?

Having served in the Marines, not only do I understand what freedom means, but I know the men and women who give up their freedoms so that you can deny them to others....

You should take someones place out there...and I know many Marines that you can jump in for...


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American View 4 years ago from Plano, Texas

Mike,

Should the gays want to leave the service, they are free to do so, they are also free to serve. I am not sure what you being a Marine has to do with your earlier arguments, but since you brought it up, did I not read you were a Marine in 1980? I could be wrong so please correct me if I am on the year.

If not for my health issues, I would gladly stand beside the Marines or take ones place. Would you? Or would you rather take my place? Just curious

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