The "Do as I say, not as I do" party

The Republican National Committee is bleeding cash and lavish parties at exclusive L.A. nightclubs are one reason why. They've fired a staffer in connection with a party for donors at a bondage-themed sex club. Allison Meyers was terminated today because she organized and approved the funding for a visit to Voyeur West Hollywood that cost $1,946.25.

The RNC may think it's exercising damage control by firing Meyers, but more information about abuses and questionable expenditures keep surfacing. Although Steele wasn't at this party, I think this speaks to the larger question of the hypocrisy of an entire organization. More and more, Republicans are being depicted as the "do as I say, not as I do" party, mostly because of the antics of party bigwigs. Maybe the RNC will rein in spending so as not to alienate voters who don't approve of using champagne and topless dancing as a way to solicit funds. Of course, you're not going to get a whole lot of money if all you offer is iced tea and "Murder, She Wrote" reruns.

They're not the fiscally conservative party or the family values party.  They trashed their conservative spending habits when the approved a money-sucking war that they neglected to pay for as well as tax cuts that have destroyed the surplus we had on hand at the end of the Clinton administration.  Their sex scandals are too numerous to name.  Anyone who believes otherwise needs to have their heads examined.

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pmccray 6 years ago from Utah

Here Here . . . excellent hub, tell the truth and shame the devil. Finally . . I've been blogging for ever trying to tell people the same thing. Bush walked into office flush and left it a train wreck, our nation has selective memory. Thanks for this hub.


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Speaking of voting for things they can't pay for...how's about that health care?


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woodwoman 6 years ago Author

Gee whiz, we can go in debt so our men and women die to establish a government in a country where it's legal to beat your wife or kill your daughter if she "disgraces" you.

Or we can reduce the deficit (according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office) and make sure our citizens don't suffer and die simply because they can't afford health insurance or medical treatment.

I know what I'd choose and, unfortunately, I know what you'd choose, too.


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

I would never ever put defense of our country nor the integrity and honor of our soldiers in the same league with social programs that cater to lazy Americans who sit under my dinner table waiting for a crumb to fall on their eager, waiting plates.

I'm not saying ALL poor Americans are lazy, or that the entire bill is bad. I simply believe that in America we have great opportunity to fend for ourselves, and besides that, the numbers that the democrats put out as "needing" health care are terribly, terribly skewed. There are a ton of illegals in that number despite arguments to the contrary, and a large number who opt out of getting health care of their own free will.

Affordable health care is a noble goal. The government need have no hand whatsoever in that. And hard working, risk taking, tax paying Americans should not have to pay for anyone else's inability to serve themselves.

Don't get me wrong. It's not that I don't care, nor that I'm lacking compassion. But social programs NEVER work. They ALWAYS go broke. As grown ups we're supposed to learn from our mistakes, not keep on making new ones hoping the outcomes will somehow sort themselves out.

Right now we've got deficits as far as the eye can see, and even if we try to tax our way out of it, we can't. The country is tapped.


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Elena. 6 years ago from Madrid

The title brought me here, and I'm glad I stopped by :-) Maybe, when you're in the mood, you can do one about Catholic priests :)


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woodwoman 6 years ago Author

We're not defending our nation in Iraq, we're pandering to the hawks of this country. Saddam Hussein didn't have weapons of mass destruction, that was a lie. Go after Al Quaeda, that's fine, but get out of Iraq and let them sink or swim. That seems to be what you want Americans to do, why do we have to help the Iraqis do it if we won't help Americans? Let them build their own schools and hospitals and take care of their own people. If that's good enough for Americans, it should be good enough for Iraqis.


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

I think there are too many reason to list here why we are in Iraq, and why we went there in the first place.

I think, too, there is a very distinct difference between helping and giving. Like I stated before, social programs do not work.

Take, for example, this one thought about the biggest social program—outside of Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security—which is welfare. The highest concentration of recipients is in the poorest communities, which also happen to be some of the dirtiest places in any state. What's to stop us from saying, "we'll pay the benefits, but here's where you have to show up to WORK for the CITY that's being paid for by people doing it on their own?" Let's start getting them out there, picking up the garbage, cleaning up the streets, cleaning up the graffiti, or taking care of the parks. Perhaps if they had some other way to spend their time, they'd be making less babies they can't afford to pay for and who will, undoubtedly, tax the new health care rolls even more.

Working builds character. It builds resumes. It shows effort and resolve.

BTW, my real issue with the health care bill is the way that it was handled, and the lack of any real explanation as to how it will be paid for, not the idea of reform. There is some good in it, we just went about it the wrong way and the American people will suffer long before they will ever see any real benefit from this as a result.

Might I add 52% of the American people did not want this bill. Last I checked that accounts for more than half the population in this country, and the majority voice ought to stand for something.


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woodwoman 6 years ago Author

So what magical thing happens when a lazy person who can't or won't pay $800 a month health insurance premium becomes 65? Why are they suddenly entitled to buy health insurance for $86 a month? Have they instantly become industrious and responsible when they wake up on their 65th birthday?

Springboard, you separate people into two categories: Conservatives who are automatically responsible and therefore rich and liberals who are lazy, shiftless and poor. In your mind, both groups get what they deserve. The world isn't that black and white.

The original post was about the RNC leadership and how out of touch they are with their members. I would take it a step further, their members are out of touch with the real world. I don't know who'll win in November but somebody's heading for a fall. I think it will be the group who's just not paying attention to the real world.


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

No, I agreed with that part of your assertion. As a republican I don't feel that there is any real leadership in the party. Where are the conservatives? That's the begging question in my mind right now. Though I think they DID have the right idea about the health care bill, in its current form, being bad. It's why they stood up and voiced their opinion, and offered solutions, neither of which were heard by the democrats throughout the process, despite all the president's and democrat's proclamations to the contrary.

Look, we do need reform in the current health care system. I've said that along. But what we got is not what we needed. It solves some problems, but opens up a vast crevasse of new ones. What we needed to do was have an actual process for ideas to be heard, and to have broken the bill up into much smaller, digestible pieces. Had they done that, each part could be judged on its merits, AND the folks who voted on it might also have read the darn thing, which would have saved us a lot of aggravation we'll no doubt encounter down the line.

I also don't want to leave you with the misconception that I think of the world in terms of black and white. Read my hubs. You'll see I actually see the world in quite a rounded way. You'll also see that, while I'm a republican, I do not tow the party line. What my basic thought is, is that some people work hard to achieve, and some people simply put their hand out. It's not quite that straightforward, but it's pretty darn close.

I don't make a lot of money, but I'm still able to get ahead and achieve because I know how to manage it, take on risk, and because I'm proactive in my progression. That's what separates the haves from the have nots. It's a mindset. It's an attitude. It's intestinal fortitude. None of which is supplied by a handout.


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OpinionDuck 6 years ago

woodsman

Both parties have contributed to the conditions of our country. Congress has been inept and ineffective for the last eight decades.

While, I am neither democrat or republican, the democrats have done the most damage to the country. Second only to the loyal party member of either party.

The SS and Medicare that is now going bankrupt is a product of the democrats from 1935 and 1965. The people that get SS and Medicare have for the most part contributed into it for their entire working lifetime. They can continue to contribute into it even after they retire, which makes no sense. Yet, Congress over the years spent the forced contributions of these retirees faster than they came into the treasury.

The same thing will happen with the healthcare reform.

The government has demonstrated over the decades that they have no business sense.

A more economical health insurance premium could have been achieved by Tort Reform. Additionally, the FDA has been an expensive and ineffective mechanism monitoring the drug industry. Since the FDA has had that responsibility, there hasn't been one cure for a disease. The last cure for a disease was the Salk Vaccine for Polio, and that was before the FDA got involved in the process.

The Obama healthcare will also involve 16,000 IRS agents to police the reform.

Increasing the size of government, also increases the national debt. Every non essential government worker is a tax liability for the taxpayers. The size of the government has increased every year, and that includes 2008 when millions of people lost their jobs.

Obama and the democrat congress have created trillions of dollars in debt, with little to no return on it.

Jobs are created in the private sector that affect the GDP, government jobs are overhead.

The increase in forthcoming taxes by the democrat congress will stifle the economy, if it ever starts to recover.


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

You point out something that scares me in the health care bill, Opinion Duck, and that's the part about the health care taxes which a lot of people overlook. Those taxes will be collected in the four year period prior to the majority of the bill taking effect, and certainly prior to the majority of expenditures. They will be subject to the same thing that the SS trust fund has over the years. The government is going to USE that money because the government needs money NOW. That really is part of the hidden truth here IMO. Collecting taxes on this bill will help to make it appear as though they are reducing the deficit. They are going to collect taxes on the bill, so-called front loading it, add it to all the tax rolls, and they will undoubtedly use some of these newly collected taxes to apply to the current deficit.

Voila! Magic folks. Look at how we make it appear to the American people our policies have solved problems. Not only did we get health care for all Americans, but we chopped the deficit too...

By the time anyone realizes the health care funding is as bankrupt as the SS trust fund will no doubt be soon, and how it got that way, Obama will be long gone.


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woodwoman 6 years ago Author

Opinionduck, tort reform savings are a drop in the bucket of overall health care spending. This story makes it clear. http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/10/health.care... Read this commentary http://www.notapundit.com/2010_02_07_archive.html and maybe some of the problem will be clearer to you.

The Democratic party (ask a history teacher if that's the right term) has the high road and the Rs gave it to them because they thought pandering would work better in the 2010 elections. The Democrats are now positioned as the party who cares about people first and money second and the Rs have taken their place as the party that cares so much about money they won't talk about people.

And since you haven't actually read the health care bill, I'll pass on addressing the little factoids you present here.


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OpinionDuck 6 years ago

Woodsman

Out of all of the comments that Springboard and I have provided here, this is your reply.

You are one of the loyal party members that are the root cause of the pathetic condition of this country, and you offer little sense in your replies. This statement is not meant for you personally, but for your ideology. It is We The People, and not We The Party. There is no chicken or egg controversy here, the people came before the party. The party has taken the vote of their loyal party members, and then they pander to the independent voters to get the win in the election.

Yes, the democrats have never cared about spending other people's money, especially those of the taxpayer.

The democrats that signed the healthcare bill have not read it. Most teachers are so far left it is hardly and objective opinion. And you have no idea whether I have read the healthcare bill or haven't read it.

Since you refuse to comment on my comments, it makes no sense to add more comments after this one.

If you decide to have a dialogue, you know where I am.

You might start by reading my hub "Has President Obama Had a Stroke.

Enjoy your kingdom.


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woodwoman 6 years ago Author

The first time you got my screen name wrong, I ignored the mistake. It's not woods man, it's woodwoman. The second time you got it wrong, I ignored your whole post. If you want to have a dialog, pay attention to who's talking, especially get their name right.


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woodwoman 6 years ago Author

I want to get an answer to a question I've been asking throughout the comments. How is it right, moral and the American thing to do to only give medical treatment to those who can afford it?


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

I'm confused when you say that the democrats care about people first. Which people? The American people? The people they work for? The people who elected them to get the work of the people done?

52% of those people the democrats apparently care about were not heard when they said "no" to the bill. Dictators decide FOR the people what's best for them. Leaders decide based on what the people WANT what's best.

As to the question about how is it right, moral and the American thing to do to only give medical treatment to those who can afford it? The better begging question is how is it right, moral and the American thing to do to slap me in the face for taking responsibility for myself, my life, my finances, and my successes. How DARE I take care of myself.

Again, I don't want to sound dispassionate, but we all start out with a handful of opportunities, myriad paths from which to choose from we can take, it's up to US to get it right. It's up to US to give a damn. It's up to US to make an effort.

And there are sooo many stories in this country of people who had nothing, who stood up and worked hard and had great ideas and took on challenge because they realized the American dream never becomes a reality if you wait for it to come to you.

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." -John F. Kennedy

It is a profound statement. We need to take care of ourselves, and in America we have every opportunity to do exactly that if we want it, and if we work hard for it.

If you want a stray dog to feed himself and find his own way, you don't put a bowl of food out for him every day.


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woodwoman 6 years ago Author

About your 52% that don't want HCR: 51% of voters voted for Al Gore, he won the popular election. George Bush got 49% of the popular vote but he won the election because he got more electoral college votes. By your reasoning, Al Gore should have been sworn into office in 2001. Your 52% number is one you've gotten from pollsters, people who call folks on the phone and ask questions. Then they sift the answers down into information that makes them look good and release it. Sorry if I don't trust those kinds of figures.

You didn't answer my question, you just put in another. I'll answer yours: It's not right to slap you in the face for taking responsibility for your own life. Tell me how, in what concrete way, you've been slapped in the face? What has been taken from you? Did somebody come to your house and take all your money? What right has been taken away from you? You still have the right to vote, so vote against your representatives and senators that did this. Vote out Obama in 2012. You have that right.

My husband and I run our own business. We make up a group of two for insurance purposes. Our premiums are $815 a month. It's against the law in our state for a organization like the chamber of commerce to form a group comprised of small business owners like us. If we could do this, we could join a larger risk pool and premiums would be lower for everybody. The insurance industry in my state is in bed with the regulators and as a result, they get to do what they want and restrict what they want. In other states, the chamber can sponsor insurance groups and premiums for small businesses are low. Does that make sense? Under health care reform, our chamber can form a group and offer insurance to small business owners. How does that take anything away from you?

My husband and I both work hard and 1/4 of our income is taken by insurance premiums. Almost as much as our mortgage. Wouldn't it be good for the economy if we were able to spend some of it and save some of it?

In your world, the evil people are the poor people. They're poor because of their own failings and all they want is everything you've got.

In my world, the evil people are the insurance execs who take home huge bonuses, raise rates by 40% a year and refuse claims. All they want is everything I've got.

I happen to believe that the insurance execs have more power than the poor people to do what they want and get what they want and it's much more likely that I'll be screwed by them and not some poor, uninsured sap. I write a check to them every month and I know they're stealing from me. I haven't had one poor person come to my house and take money from me. Our income is down, so my taxes are down.

So are you going to answer my question? How is it right or moral to deny someone medical care because they can't afford it? How is it just for someone to work hard all his or her life only to lose their home and life savings to pay medical bills?


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

My capital gains taxes will be increased 3.5% to 23.5% is just one example of what is being taken from me. Yes, I will still make money, and no 3.5% is not a lot per se, but it's mine. I earned it. I did what I had to to get it. I took risk.

BTW, poor people don't come to anyone's door except Washington's door, and they take it away from me on their behalf.

The bottom line is we're not going to agree no matter how many times we go back and forth. But I have enjoyed the debate. That's what it's all about. Something we missed in the health care bill that got slammed through without the American people's wanting it, and without any real debate with the republicans and their ideas.


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woodwoman 6 years ago Author

In order for you to pay capital gains on the sale of a house, you have to have a combined net income of $250,000. Then, the capital gains tax is levied on the difference between the price you paid and the price you sold for after the price of any capital improvement (like a new kitchen) is deducted. Of course, you only pay the cg tax if you sell the house and wait more than two years before you buy a house of equal or greater value. You're allowed a one-time exemption. That's to take into account that people downsize after the kids are grown up.

No, we're not going to change each others' mind, but when two people have a conversation then it's more likely they'll be able to see eye to eye on at least a few things. Like the fact that both sides could have handled the debate better. It's too important an issue to demagogue over.

I did not blow off opinionduck because I didn't agree with him. I ignored him because he twisted my screen name around, probably on purpose. There's no talking to people like that. And thanks for the grill-cleaning tips! It's 80 degrees today and I might just pull the grill out sometime this week and fire it up!


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Actually, I was referring to cap gains taxes on my stock sales. Selling rental property has other tax implications as well, not even accounting for having to take back my depreciation—but that's for another day.

On the other note regarding to agree to disagree, one thing is clear and that's that we had at least a spirited and thoughtful debate. Had name calling or diversion tactics been in play I'd have quickly left and never returned.

I look forward to the next one. :)


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woodwoman 6 years ago Author

I'll be there!


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Springboard 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Me too.

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